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Ryan Mathews likely out until October (1 Viewer)

'zandbak said:
Got Mathews in the mid-9th round, 10-team PPR. Guppies gonna gup.
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If someone else took him in the 8th, would that have made you the guppy?Actually, scratch that question. Fact is, it takes 10 guppies for Mathews to slip to the 9th.
 
Baker in with the 3rd team closing out the 4th Q.

Seems like no Brinkley tonight, I suppose his thigh is still sore.

 
It's one thing to question his toughness or preparation when he's constantly missing time to nagging injuries that a tougher/more experienced player might either play through or avoid altogether. This has been a question with Mathews to date.

But the guy broke his clavicle. He plays a violent, contact sport, and a bone got broken. What do you want? So this particular young man, paid millions for his supreme athletic ability, is by some dark magic brittle in a way others aren't? Grab a different RB, one whose clavicle can withstand some impact #######it! Can we get the numbers on how much milk Ryan Mathews drank as a kid?

Seriously, downgrade him for the game/s he'll miss, and for whatever adverse effects this time missed might have on his eventual performance. But don't be a fool; he broke a bone, and it just-so-happened to be on the first play of preseason (although I freely admit, if he'd broken that bone on the second or third play, he wouldn't be nearly such a #####, and perhaps still worthy of first round consideration).

 
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.

 
'Jercules said:
It's one thing to question his toughness or preparation when he's constantly missing time to nagging injuries that a tougher/more experienced player might either play through or avoid altogether. This has been a question with Mathews to date.But the guy broke his clavicle. He plays a violent, contact sport, and a bone got broken. What do you want? So this particular young man, paid millions for his supreme athletic ability, is by some dark magic brittle in a way others aren't? Grab a different RB, one whose clavicle can withstand some impact #######it! Can we get the numbers on how much milk Ryan Mathews drank as a kid?Seriously, downgrade him for the game/s he'll miss, and for whatever adverse effects this time missed might have on his eventual performance. But don't be a fool; he broke a bone, and it just-so-happened to be on the first play of preseason (although I freely admit, if he'd broken that bone on the second or third play, he wouldn't be nearly such a #####, and perhaps still worthy of first round consideration).
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Yep. Draft him for his final numbers, and make sure you get a viable backup for the 2-3 games he's going to miss for injury.The 13-14 games he plays he'll play like a top 10 RB, top 5-7 in PPR.
 
'RavenLunatic said:
'zandbak said:
Got Mathews in the mid-9th round, 10-team PPR. Guppies gonna gup.
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Thats actually amazingly hard to do.If they are true guppies and drafting from the auto list, then they would have eventually taken him....or usually their draft ends up on AutoDraft which would have taken him.So, to let him go to the 9th just sounds like alot of scared guppies???
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Was a live draft, $30 buyin. There was all kinds of hilarity. Lawfirm in the 3rd, Peyton in the 4th, Helu in the 6th, and I got made fun of for taking Julio before Roddy in the 4th. :moneybag:
'FF Ninja said:
Actually, scratch that question. Fact is, it takes 10 guppies for Mathews to slip to the 9th.
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In a league that starts 2 RBs and can flex one, I already went RB/RB/RB in the first 3 rounds. Hence why I personally let him slip to the 9th after I filled the rest of my lineup.
 
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'Addai said:
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.
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No it didn't. He was the #7 running back last year. I don't care if he was #7 because he missed two quarters or because he got stuffed behind the line of scrimmage, he still scored a lot of points. What killed you last year was the rest of your team, you just wanted him to carry you.
 
'Addai said:
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.
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who cares? he effin produced in those games. he was a 4th round pick that was rb7. like, do ppl ##### about lesean mccoy not outscoring ray rice?
 
Chargers kept 5 RBs as of now: Matthews, McClain, Brown, Battle, Brinkley.

Might want to keep an eye on Battle as a potential short yardage vulture.

 
If Mathews doesn't play who is the guy to start week 1. I saw where Turner was talking up Ronnie Brown to perhaps see 20 touches in Mathews absence.

I thought Brinley was going to be his backup?

Thoughts

 
'Blackjacks said:
If Mathews doesn't play who is the guy to start week 1. I saw where Turner was talking up Ronnie Brown to perhaps see 20 touches in Mathews absence.I thought Brinley was going to be his backup?Thoughts
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Brown will get the start but who knows how the split will be. If you don't have a better alternative week 1 then may god help you this season.
 
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'Blackjacks said:
If Mathews doesn't play who is the guy to start week 1. I saw where Turner was talking up Ronnie Brown to perhaps see 20 touches in Mathews absence.I thought Brinley was going to be his backup?Thoughts
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Brown has been the clear backup the whole time. I don't know where the Brinkley meme came from.
 
Where was he RB7 last year? In several scoring systems I've looked at, he was RB10 in all of them. Not trying to quibble between 7 and 10, but just curious. I can see him rising up to 7 if you are not counting week 17, which most leagues do not use in FF.

 
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'Blackjacks said:
If Mathews doesn't play who is the guy to start week 1. I saw where Turner was talking up Ronnie Brown to perhaps see 20 touches in Mathews absence.I thought Brinley was going to be his backup?Thoughts
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Maybe avoid that cluster of backup SD running backs. Week 1 & 2 wonders could be Kevin Smith, Rashard Jennings, used to think Montario Hardesty while Trent was out but now it looks like maybe Brandon Jackson. Probably others out there...
 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
'Blackjacks said:
If Mathews doesn't play who is the guy to start week 1. I saw where Turner was talking up Ronnie Brown to perhaps see 20 touches in Mathews absence.I thought Brinley was going to be his backup?Thoughts
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Brown has been the clear backup the whole time. I don't know where the Brinkley meme came from.
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I'm not sure about the original source but it was discussed on the Audible and the take away was that Brinkley was actually the guy to own in Mathews absence. I can't find the exact quote now but perhaps someone else can.
 
i didnt let him get past me in the 2nd. rice and mathews :popcorn: . for week one ill either roll with my 3 wr or 4th rb (stewart). waste of time to pick ronnie

 
And when he's at the goal line, if he runs into a wall, he likes to throw the ball at the OL as he's getting tackled....

 
Even before Mathews was hurt, Brown was the first-team RB in the two-minute offense, and was going to get playing time in passing situations.

With Mathews out, Brown will be the lead back and McClain will get more touches than usual. Brinkley and Battle should also get a few chances, and if one of them starts to outperform Brown, they could take over as the primary guy. But going into week one, Brown is the primary guy. He looked washed up in Philly last year, but by all accounts he's been impressive in camp with the Chargers.

 
'Ghost Rider said:
Where was he RB7 last year? In several scoring systems I've looked at, he was RB10 in all of them. Not trying to quibble between 7 and 10, but just curious. I can see him rising up to 7 if you are not counting week 17, which most leagues do not use in FF.
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In my league scoring he was RB7. In standard PPR he was RB7.
 
Let me first off beging by saying that Matthews is a guy who I think has great talent in both the reality and fantasy football world. I have to admit that I was targeting him before he got hurt in the preseason. Luckily, my drafts didn't start until after the preseason--so I basically told myself that based on the principle of risk/reward that I wouldn't draft him any earlier than the 4th round. Luckily I wasn't forced to make a decision as he was still drafted in the 2-3rd rounds of all of my leagues. However, in saying this-- I think it's disrespectful and naive to disregard what this doctor is saying. He obviously has a successful and long history of working with sports teams and athletes. Sure, he might not be Matthews actual doctor-- but this doesn't make him any less professional or credible. My take is this: Even if I owned Matthews--would I want him coming back from an injury like that as premature as possible? Matthews has shown a history of being fragile and of not being durable. He allegedly came into the preseason in amazing shape and was on the road to being a "workhorse" back--and he breaks his clavicle on the first play of the preseason--on a fairly routine hit. People bring up the colston injury--but the thing is that running backs take much bigger hits than Wr's on average. Yes wide receivers get speared more and suffer concussions--but in regards to basic tackling--an RB is more likely to get punished as he touches the ball 10-20 times a game. The one thing that we can all agree on is this: Matthews has shown a history of not being durable (2) although this dr. is not Matthews's actual doctor, he's still a professional doctor with proper training and vast medical knowledge and (3) even if Matthews bone is barely healed in time to play in the first week--playing him would be risky and questionable at best. Matthews is a professional athlete--his job is to be competitive and he should have an insane desire to be on the field--even if it puts him at risk. However, the decision to play should not be his. If I coached or owned the Chargers, I would not risk my investment in Matthews by putting him out on the field before his unquestionably ready. Basically speaking, even if I owned Matthews- I would not want to see him suit up the first 2-3 weeks of the season.

 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
Even before Mathews was hurt, Brown was the first-team RB in the two-minute offense, and was going to get playing time in passing situations.With Mathews out, Brown will be the lead back and McClain will get more touches than usual. Brinkley and Battle should also get a few chances, and if one of them starts to outperform Brown, they could take over as the primary guy. But going into week one, Brown is the primary guy. He looked washed up in Philly last year, but by all accounts he's been impressive in camp with the Chargers.
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:goodposting: Love me some MT Charger talk. :thumbup:
 
'Ghost Rider said:
Where was he RB7 last year? In several scoring systems I've looked at, he was RB10 in all of them. Not trying to quibble between 7 and 10, but just curious. I can see him rising up to 7 if you are not counting week 17, which most leagues do not use in FF.
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FBG shows him as RB7 last season.I checked a couple of my league sites. In one, he was RB7 with 190.6 points, in another he was RB9 with 186.6 points. Looks like the difference is that my first league does not deduct points for fumbles, while my second league deducts 2 points per fumble lost.
 
'LHUCKS said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
Even before Mathews was hurt, Brown was the first-team RB in the two-minute offense, and was going to get playing time in passing situations.With Mathews out, Brown will be the lead back and McClain will get more touches than usual. Brinkley and Battle should also get a few chances, and if one of them starts to outperform Brown, they could take over as the primary guy. But going into week one, Brown is the primary guy. He looked washed up in Philly last year, but by all accounts he's been impressive in camp with the Chargers.
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:goodposting: Love me some MT Charger talk. :thumbup:
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I would think for Mathews owners, me being one, if there's anyway to fit Brown onto your roster for these first few weeks, we should do it. Especially playing in a PPR format. Brown was always a good receiver out of the backfield, and even if the run game isn't working, he should total between 60-80 total yards with 3-5 catches and a good possibility of a TD. We all knew Mathews would miss these first few games, and I'm sure we all tried to draft accordingly. However, if Brown is able to play like he's been playing in the preseason, I don't see him as a horrible RB3 option.
 
'bostonfred said:
'Addai said:
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.
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No it didn't. He was the #7 running back last year. I don't care if he was #7 because he missed two quarters or because he got stuffed behind the line of scrimmage, he still scored a lot of points. What killed you last year was the rest of your team, you just wanted him to carry you.
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Cranky
 
So when should we expect Ryan Matthews to come back? Week 2? Week 3? He seems to think hell be back week 1, but that's not going to happen.

I've got Donald brown covering for him until then, but nobody is really discussining when he'll be back.

 
I think most of us are thinking along the lines of week 3.

I just hope he comes back when he is 100% and not a minute before. We'll get by til then.

 
Yeah, I'd expect week three, but we're all just guessing.

One thing I'm not sure about -- how will they measure his readiness to return? Will they test his range of motion and strength and ask him how he feels, or will they use x-rays to determine how completely the bone has healed?

If the former, he could return before he's truly ready.

 
'johnnyboy8102 said:
Is Ronnie Brown a better Week 1 start than Cedric Benson or Donald Brown?
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I'd probably roll the dice with brown or benson. Ronnie brown could split carries with the other guys. Brown is probably the best bet for the most carries, but what he does with those carries against a tough chicago d is the real question.
 
In week one, I'd consider Ronnie Brown a weak fantasy RB2 in twelve-team leagues, which IMO makes him better than Cedric Benson or Donald Brown.

 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
Yeah, I'd expect week three, but we're all just guessing.One thing I'm not sure about -- how will they measure his readiness to return? Will they test his range of motion and strength and ask him how he feels, or will they use x-rays to determine how completely the bone has healed?If the former, he could return before he's truly ready.
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Gotta believe a clean X ray is a gateway.
 
'Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
'bostonfred said:
'Addai said:
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.
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No it didn't. He was the #7 running back last year. I don't care if he was #7 because he missed two quarters or because he got stuffed behind the line of scrimmage, he still scored a lot of points. What killed you last year was the rest of your team, you just wanted him to carry you.
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Cranky
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Its an important concept. Its like in poker. Losing poker players can always point to one or two big hands in a session where they got unlucky and say, man, if I just win that pot, id have won last night. But they forget that there were dozens of other hands, and they got really lucky in some of them, too. It was the hands where things worked the way they were supposed to - where the bad player went in with the worst hand and didn't improve - that dictated the outcome of the night. But the losing player always blames those couple unlucky hands instead.The same happens in fantasy football. Addais adidas, who I know and like, said that mathews killed him last year. But the numbers show that clearly isn't true. It was the players around him. If you choose not to draft him because he "killed you a few times", you're only hurting yourself.
 
'bostonfred said:
'Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
'bostonfred said:
'Addai said:
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.
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No it didn't. He was the #7 running back last year. I don't care if he was #7 because he missed two quarters or because he got stuffed behind the line of scrimmage, he still scored a lot of points. What killed you last year was the rest of your team, you just wanted him to carry you.
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Cranky
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Its an important concept. Its like in poker. Losing poker players can always point to one or two big hands in a session where they got unlucky and say, man, if I just win that pot, id have won last night. But they forget that there were dozens of other hands, and they got really lucky in some of them, too. It was the hands where things worked the way they were supposed to - where the bad player went in with the worst hand and didn't improve - that dictated the outcome of the night. But the losing player always blames those couple unlucky hands instead.The same happens in fantasy football. Addais adidas, who I know and like, said that mathews killed him last year. But the numbers show that clearly isn't true. It was the players around him. If you choose not to draft him because he "killed you a few times", you're only hurting yourself.
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What if you choose not to draft him cause you think everyone is wrong and that 9 weeks of Ryan Mathews isnt worth a 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick.
 
'bostonfred said:
'Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
'bostonfred said:
'Addai said:
All I know is last year was the first year I paid attention because I had him on my team. He would some out of games seemingly constantly for two quarters then come back in later in the game because he was OK. That killed me a few times.
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No it didn't. He was the #7 running back last year. I don't care if he was #7 because he missed two quarters or because he got stuffed behind the line of scrimmage, he still scored a lot of points. What killed you last year was the rest of your team, you just wanted him to carry you.
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Cranky
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Its an important concept. Its like in poker. Losing poker players can always point to one or two big hands in a session where they got unlucky and say, man, if I just win that pot, id have won last night. But they forget that there were dozens of other hands, and they got really lucky in some of them, too. It was the hands where things worked the way they were supposed to - where the bad player went in with the worst hand and didn't improve - that dictated the outcome of the night. But the losing player always blames those couple unlucky hands instead.The same happens in fantasy football. Addais adidas, who I know and like, said that mathews killed him last year. But the numbers show that clearly isn't true. It was the players around him. If you choose not to draft him because he "killed you a few times", you're only hurting yourself.
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Right On BF. I have said what that to others here too "So and so Killed me". Yeah well if there was no flag on that OTHER play you would have won too. He didn't actually lose any leagues for me last year, but it's very frustrating to see him come out of a game hurt, watch Tolbert go crazy, then have Matthews come back in with an "I"m OK". And it was always something different. He's talented, I just don't see how that changes this year.
 
'Run It Up said:
What if you choose not to draft him cause you think everyone is wrong and that 9 weeks of Ryan Mathews isnt worth a 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick.
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That's different and completely understandable. I happen to disagree with it, but it is a lot closer, especially in ffpc style contests where the first few weeks have heightened importance. The flip side of that is that some of the mathews owners will make the final weeks of the season, and they will have an extra rb1 who only cost them a mid round pick. It isn't an easy answer.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Raider Nation said:
You guys picking up Brown with one of your last couple of picks to get through the first two weeks?
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Brinkley>McClain>Brownimo, but I'm not really grabbing any of them.
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Wow, I have not kept up with this situation at all.
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Brown seems like he'll get the first crack but I just don't think he has anything left. Brinkley always looks impressive when he gets a chance to play.Like I said though, I'm just staying away. I expect they'll split carries and probably not run much anyway.
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I figured I was dead wrong on Brinkley/Brown after reading MT's posts in this thread. Looks like a brutal committee approach though, which is also what I expected to see.at half time,Brinkley with 4 carries (for 3 yards) and Brown with 2 carries (for 1 yard). :X Brinkley, Brown, and McClain combined for 5 catches and 32 yards. This is where the value of Mathews in PPR leagues comes in. They throw to the backs a lot.
 
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