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Ryan Mathews likely out until October (1 Viewer)

Must be so much fun to play in a 6 team league...
I've heard about those 2 team leagues before...do you play head-to-head every week against your brother or something?
It's a $100 14 team keeper league (keep 4), not exactly playing with a bunch of chumps. Giving up an injured player for guys that are contributing NOW is pretty crucial when you can win $600+.I was in the basement last year and traded away a #### load to get the 3 best RBs I could using my drafted team + a couple picks. I targeted McFadden from the guy in 3rd because his team was stacked but having DMC out in the 2nd half, he needed to make up for the loss. Mathews I traded my starting (slumping QB Rivers) for, and Foster I gave up a lot for, including my 1st rounder 3rd overall pick (though 14x4 are kept, it equaled Doug Martin in the draft).Other than my 4 keepers at the end of the year, my team was full of absolute junk. But, when I was going to miss the playoffs, obviously it's the best strategy to get the best 4 keepers and look ahead to the next season.Drafted Julio last year and kept him all year, I had the best 4 keepers: Jones, Foster, McFadden, Mathews.. but given that all 4 missed time last year, they are a risky group.So no, it's not a 6 team league.
 
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Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
I've heard about those 2 team leagues before...do you play head-to-head every week against your brother or something?
You and the poster before do realize not everyone is in a redraft correct? It's possible to accumulate talent at a position in a keeper league.
 
Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
I've heard about those 2 team leagues before...do you play head-to-head every week against your brother or something?
You and the poster before do realize not everyone is in a redraft correct? It's possible to accumulate talent at a position in a keeper league.
Exactly. And my post above basically outlines how I did that. I was out of it, traded everything that wouldn't be a keeper to upgrade for the next season.
 
Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
I've heard about those 2 team leagues before...do you play head-to-head every week against your brother or something?
You and the poster before do realize not everyone is in a redraft correct? It's possible to accumulate talent at a position in a keeper league.
It is also easily possible to have gotten those three RBs in an auction (Foster for around 55-60, McFadden for around 40 an Mathews for around 25-30).
 
So how should a Matthews owner view last night? Positive in that he will have absolutely no competition for carries...or negative in the SD couldnt run the ball at all?

 
So how should a Matthews owner view last night? Positive in that he will have absolutely no competition for carries...or negative in the SD couldnt run the ball at all?
Both, but more the former than the latter. The line was bad, but Ronnie Brown was worse. Brinkley's just not a fit in that role, he needs space to be productive.
 
So how should a Matthews owner view last night? Positive in that he will have absolutely no competition for carries...or negative in the SD couldnt run the ball at all?
Both, but more the former than the latter. The line was bad, but Ronnie Brown was worse. Brinkley's just not a fit in that role, he needs space to be productive.
I couldnt believe that they didnt run the ball more....that has to change when Matthews is back - hopefully next week!
 
So how should a Matthews owner view last night? Positive in that he will have absolutely no competition for carries...or negative in the SD couldnt run the ball at all?
Both, but more the former than the latter. The line was bad, but Ronnie Brown was worse. Brinkley's just not a fit in that role, he needs space to be productive.
I couldnt believe that they didnt run the ball more....that has to change when Matthews is back - hopefully next week!
I'm not going to indict Norv for not running more given how badly the line and Brown played, but it's always concerning when the run gets completely abandoned on a team in the lead that isn't having much success throwing either. Have to think that changes when Mathews comes back, I could use him this week but would rather he take the extra week.
 
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
:goodposting:Especially considering their performance on those passes:Brinkley - 3/28/0 (9.3 ypr) on 5 targetsBrown - 5/26/0 (5.2 ypr) on 5 targetsMcClain - 4/15/0 (3.8 ypr) on 4 targetsRoyal - 2/4/0 (2.0 ypr) on 2 targetsBrinkley was the only one who had a decent ypr, but he also only caught 3 out of 5. Lumping Royal in here because he often works similar routes to the RBs.
 
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
:goodposting:Especially considering their performance on those passes:Brinkley - 3/28/0 (9.3 ypr) on 5 targetsBrown - 5/26/0 (5.2 ypr) on 5 targetsMcClain - 4/15/0 (3.8 ypr) on 4 targetsRoyal - 2/4/0 (2.0 ypr) on 2 targetsBrinkley was the only one who had a decent ypr, but he also only caught 3 out of 5. Lumping Royal in here because he often works similar routes to the RBs.
How were Eddie Royal's routes the same as RBs? Just cause he had two rushes? You're just lumping in stats to try and make Mathews' potential look better.Plus, they threw to RBs 12 times because those RBs couldn't run worth ####.
 
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Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
 
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
:goodposting:Especially considering their performance on those passes:Brinkley - 3/28/0 (9.3 ypr) on 5 targetsBrown - 5/26/0 (5.2 ypr) on 5 targetsMcClain - 4/15/0 (3.8 ypr) on 4 targetsRoyal - 2/4/0 (2.0 ypr) on 2 targetsBrinkley was the only one who had a decent ypr, but he also only caught 3 out of 5. Lumping Royal in here because he often works similar routes to the RBs.
How were Eddie Royal's routes the same as RBs? Just cause he had two rushes? You're just lumping in stats to try and make Mathews' potential look better.Plus, they threw to RBs 12 times because those RBs couldn't run worth ####.
I included Royal not because he ran the ball twice, but because it was my impression that he ran some shallow routes and flat routes, similar routes to ones Mathews runs in the Chargers offense. Once PFF gets its game reviews up, it will be interesting to see where he was targeted.But I don't have to include Royal to illustrate the potential opportunity for Mathews in the passing game. Brinkley, Brown, and McClain collectively had 12/69/0 on 14 targets. That's not good.
 
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
 
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
Agreed. Even if the Chargers can't run consistently they will use Mathews in a role similar to what OAK did with McFadden last night.
 
The O line stunk at run blocking last night. The RBs were getting hit at or behind the LOS every run play. I don't know how much they'll improve over the course of the season, but it's a serious concern right now.

 
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
I don't think using 2010 in your sampling shows much, there isn't a Sproles on this team. Last year Rivers' top 3 targets (Gates, Floyd, and Jackson) were banged up and didn't practice much all year, they looked out of sync, just like he did with his non-Gates and Floyd weapons last night. There could be a boost in the short term for the RB's in the passing game, but it would not surprise me as he acclimates with Meachem and Royal then Brown returning if those looks decrease. Upside? Yeah. Expectations? I'm not, would like being wrong though.
 
The O line stunk at run blocking last night. The RBs were getting hit at or behind the LOS every run play. I don't know how much they'll improve over the course of the season, but it's a serious concern right now.
I don't know a lot about the Charger OL outside of Gaither being hurt and Hardwick being a solid OL, but as an outside observer I think we can give them a little bit of slack given Oakland has what I think is a top 5 DL. You would know better than most of us about the Charger OL expectations, but as long as Mathews stays in 1 piece I still expect him to be a top-7 ppg back and really like him in PPR leagues.
 
The O line stunk at run blocking last night. The RBs were getting hit at or behind the LOS every run play. I don't know how much they'll improve over the course of the season, but it's a serious concern right now.
I don't know a lot about the Charger OL outside of Gaither being hurt and Hardwick being a solid OL, but as an outside observer I think we can give them a little bit of slack given Oakland has what I think is a top 5 DL. You would know better than most of us about the Charger OL expectations, but as long as Mathews stays in 1 piece I still expect him to be a top-7 ppg back and really like him in PPR leagues.
The o line is very, very bad. It was last year and the fixes made this offseason are either injured or not playing well. Fairly sure their LT is a rookie UDFA.
 
Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
I've heard about those 2 team leagues before...do you play head-to-head every week against your brother or something?
You and the poster before do realize not everyone is in a redraft correct? It's possible to accumulate talent at a position in a keeper league.
Exactly. And my post above basically outlines how I did that. I was out of it, traded everything that wouldn't be a keeper to upgrade for the next season.
Who did you get at the 3/4 turn? An how does your WR talent on that team look? :popcorn:
 
Must be so much fun to play in a 6 team league...
I've heard about those 2 team leagues before...do you play head-to-head every week against your brother or something?
It's a $100 14 team keeper league (keep 4), not exactly playing with a bunch of chumps. Giving up an injured player for guys that are contributing NOW is pretty crucial when you can win $600+.I was in the basement last year and traded away a #### load to get the 3 best RBs I could using my drafted team + a couple picks. I targeted McFadden from the guy in 3rd because his team was stacked but having DMC out in the 2nd half, he needed to make up for the loss. Mathews I traded my starting (slumping QB Rivers) for, and Foster I gave up a lot for, including my 1st rounder 3rd overall pick (though 14x4 are kept, it equaled Doug Martin in the draft).Other than my 4 keepers at the end of the year, my team was full of absolute junk. But, when I was going to miss the playoffs, obviously it's the best strategy to get the best 4 keepers and look ahead to the next season.Drafted Julio last year and kept him all year, I had the best 4 keepers: Jones, Foster, McFadden, Mathews.. but given that all 4 missed time last year, they are a risky group.So no, it's not a 6 team league.
sounds riveting
 
Per Roto:

The Chargers are still in a "wait-and-see" mode on Ryan Mathews' (clavicle) clearance for full contact.Coach Norv Turner said Mathews could be cleared as early as Wednesday or a "week from tomorrow." The upshot is that Mathews owners may not have a good read on his availability for the Titans game until later in the week. If Mathews ends up sitting out again, neither Ronnie Brown nor Curtis Brinkley can be trusted in fantasy lineups.
 
Acee sticking with his week 3 prediction:

"I don't think so, though there's been talk that maybe he'll be cleared for contact on Wednesday," said Acee. "I've always said that it would be Atlanta (Week 3), that's what I'm sticking to based on initial (diagnosis), what I've heard, and that there's nothing different." Acee was told by one person Monday that "maybe you could see him this week," but he's still predicting Mathews won't play against Tennessee.
 
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'Just Win Baby said:
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Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
I don't think using 2010 in your sampling shows much, there isn't a Sproles on this team. Last year Rivers' top 3 targets (Gates, Floyd, and Jackson) were banged up and didn't practice much all year, they looked out of sync, just like he did with his non-Gates and Floyd weapons last night. There could be a boost in the short term for the RB's in the passing game, but it would not surprise me as he acclimates with Meachem and Royal then Brown returning if those looks decrease. Upside? Yeah. Expectations? I'm not, would like being wrong though.
Since Turner arrived, the Chargers have consistently been amongst the league leaders in RB targets. Over Turner's 5 seasons in San Diego (2007 to 2011), the Chargers were #2 in RB targets and #2 in RB receiving fantasy points, despite being just #20 in total passing attempts. Here are the top 3 teams in RB receiving fantasy points per team over that 5 year period (FBG scoring):Saints 614.2 fantasy points on 809 targetsChargers 597.8 fantasy points on 704 targetsEagles 470.8 fantasy points on 596 targets (Baltimore was #3 with 649 targets, but was only #5 in fantasy points)That is roughly 7.5 receiving fantasy points per game for Chargers RBs over a 5 year period. In his spotlight thread, I projected Mathews for 79/656/1 in 16 games, which is roughly 4.5 receiving fantasy points per game. I still think that is spot on (per game, obviously). I laid out the logic for it in that thread.Remember, Turner is the guy who got Tomlinson 100 catches and who first unleashed Sproles on the NFL. He is not shy about throwing to his RBs when they show talent in the receiving game.
 
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Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
I don't think using 2010 in your sampling shows much, there isn't a Sproles on this team. Last year Rivers' top 3 targets (Gates, Floyd, and Jackson) were banged up and didn't practice much all year, they looked out of sync, just like he did with his non-Gates and Floyd weapons last night. There could be a boost in the short term for the RB's in the passing game, but it would not surprise me as he acclimates with Meachem and Royal then Brown returning if those looks decrease. Upside? Yeah. Expectations? I'm not, would like being wrong though.
Since Turner arrived, the Chargers have consistently been amongst the league leaders in RB targets. Over Turner's 5 seasons in San Diego (2007 to 2011), the Chargers were #2 in RB targets and #2 in RB receiving fantasy points, despite being just #20 in total passing attempts. Here are the top 3 teams in RB receiving fantasy points per team over that 5 year period (FBG scoring):Saints 614.2 fantasy points on 809 targetsChargers 597.8 fantasy points on 704 targetsEagles 470.8 fantasy points on 596 targets (Baltimore was #3 with 649 targets, but was only #5 in fantasy points)That is roughly 7.5 receiving fantasy points per game for Chargers RBs over a 5 year period. In his spotlight thread, I projected Mathews for 79/656/1 in 16 games, which is roughly 4.5 receiving fantasy points per game. I still think that is spot on (per game, obviously). I laid out the logic for it in that thread.Remember, Turner is the guy who got Tomlinson 100 catches and who first unleashed Sproles on the NFL. He is not shy about throwing to his RBs when they show talent in the receiving game.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that, but when you have a guy like Sproles it should increase the number of targets to RB's. There isn't a Sproles on this team.
 
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'Just Win Baby said:
'MAC_32 said:
Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
I don't think using 2010 in your sampling shows much, there isn't a Sproles on this team. Last year Rivers' top 3 targets (Gates, Floyd, and Jackson) were banged up and didn't practice much all year, they looked out of sync, just like he did with his non-Gates and Floyd weapons last night. There could be a boost in the short term for the RB's in the passing game, but it would not surprise me as he acclimates with Meachem and Royal then Brown returning if those looks decrease. Upside? Yeah. Expectations? I'm not, would like being wrong though.
Since Turner arrived, the Chargers have consistently been amongst the league leaders in RB targets. Over Turner's 5 seasons in San Diego (2007 to 2011), the Chargers were #2 in RB targets and #2 in RB receiving fantasy points, despite being just #20 in total passing attempts. Here are the top 3 teams in RB receiving fantasy points per team over that 5 year period (FBG scoring):Saints 614.2 fantasy points on 809 targetsChargers 597.8 fantasy points on 704 targetsEagles 470.8 fantasy points on 596 targets (Baltimore was #3 with 649 targets, but was only #5 in fantasy points)That is roughly 7.5 receiving fantasy points per game for Chargers RBs over a 5 year period. In his spotlight thread, I projected Mathews for 79/656/1 in 16 games, which is roughly 4.5 receiving fantasy points per game. I still think that is spot on (per game, obviously). I laid out the logic for it in that thread.Remember, Turner is the guy who got Tomlinson 100 catches and who first unleashed Sproles on the NFL. He is not shy about throwing to his RBs when they show talent in the receiving game.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that, but when you have a guy like Sproles it should increase the number of targets to RB's. There isn't a Sproles on this team.
:confused: Mathews caught a whole bunch of balls last year.
 
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:confused: Mathews caught a whole bunch of balls last year.
I think I mentioned it earlier, but with all of Rivers' passing weapons (Gates, Jackson, and Floyd) hobbled last year missing games and rarely practicing they were all out of sync all year. Mathews didn't practice much either, but it's a lot more reliable to dump it off to the back than find the guy downfield.Again, not saying he WILL see a decrease in looks, just saying looking at history there's reason to believe that he could. Just keeping expectations in check.
 
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Liked that SD RBs caught 12 passes in a game that they mostly controlled. Have to figure the majority of those go to Mathews.
Wary it had more to do with the inability to run and Rivers' issues with his passing weapons than being a specific part of the game plan.
Chargers RBs have averaged 10 targets per game over the past 2 seasons. Last night they had 14. Agree it was likely due to the inability to run. The good news is that if Mathews' return shifts some of those targets to rushing attempts, he will still be the beneficiary.
I don't think using 2010 in your sampling shows much, there isn't a Sproles on this team. Last year Rivers' top 3 targets (Gates, Floyd, and Jackson) were banged up and didn't practice much all year, they looked out of sync, just like he did with his non-Gates and Floyd weapons last night. There could be a boost in the short term for the RB's in the passing game, but it would not surprise me as he acclimates with Meachem and Royal then Brown returning if those looks decrease. Upside? Yeah. Expectations? I'm not, would like being wrong though.
Since Turner arrived, the Chargers have consistently been amongst the league leaders in RB targets. Over Turner's 5 seasons in San Diego (2007 to 2011), the Chargers were #2 in RB targets and #2 in RB receiving fantasy points, despite being just #20 in total passing attempts. Here are the top 3 teams in RB receiving fantasy points per team over that 5 year period (FBG scoring):Saints 614.2 fantasy points on 809 targetsChargers 597.8 fantasy points on 704 targetsEagles 470.8 fantasy points on 596 targets (Baltimore was #3 with 649 targets, but was only #5 in fantasy points)That is roughly 7.5 receiving fantasy points per game for Chargers RBs over a 5 year period. In his spotlight thread, I projected Mathews for 79/656/1 in 16 games, which is roughly 4.5 receiving fantasy points per game. I still think that is spot on (per game, obviously). I laid out the logic for it in that thread.Remember, Turner is the guy who got Tomlinson 100 catches and who first unleashed Sproles on the NFL. He is not shy about throwing to his RBs when they show talent in the receiving game.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that, but when you have a guy like Sproles it should increase the number of targets to RB's. There isn't a Sproles on this team.
Yet they had more RB targets than ever just last year, once Sproles was in New Orleans. They had 165 RB targets last season, more than 10 per game. I doubt they will have that many at the end of the year, but Mathews will also claim a greater percentage of them than he did last year due to Tolbert.Anyway, we're just debating semantics now. The bottom line is that Mathews should have strong receiving production this year for a RB, and that helps his value.
 
Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
Must be so much fun to play in a 6 team league...
Replies like this are so ignorant. You do realize that keeper leagues and auction leagues exist right?I have a league with Aaron Rogers, Arian Foster, and ADP, but nothing else. I went w/ a complete stars/scrubs approach, and it is working out for me, but many years it does not. But who cares? There are thousands of different formats, and thousands of different ways to build a roster. Making an assumption that every league is like yours is just complete stupidity.Regardless, your comment added 0 value to the discussion and it makes me wonder after years of reading FBGs why this type comment is still around.
 
Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
Must be so much fun to play in a 6 team league...
Replies like this are so ignorant. You do realize that keeper leagues and auction leagues exist right?I have a league with Aaron Rogers, Arian Foster, and ADP, but nothing else. I went w/ a complete stars/scrubs approach, and it is working out for me, but many years it does not. But who cares? There are thousands of different formats, and thousands of different ways to build a roster. Making an assumption that every league is like yours is just complete stupidity.Regardless, your comment added 0 value to the discussion and it makes me wonder after years of reading FBGs why this type comment is still around.
THIS IS TOTALLY AWESOME!
 
Must be so much fun to play in a 6 team league...
Regardless, your comment added 0 value to the discussion and it makes me wonder after years of reading FBGs why this type comment is still around.
:shrug: not sure it's any less valuable than what he was responding to.
Having Foster, McFadden and Mathews in PPR .. could be a big year for me when Mathews comes back.
Back to topic, though. Anyone with Mathews or any Charger homers think Brinkley is even worth rostering at this point? Seems a little more spry than Ronald Brown.
 
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Back to topic, though. Anyone with Mathews or any Charger homers think Brinkley is even worth rostering at this point? Seems a little more spry than Ronald Brown.
NO. I have 10 bench spots in my league and drafted Brown for $1. Brinkley certainly looked better than him but that's not saying much.I'm limited to 10 FA pickups for the year so I havent decided who I want to burn my 2nd pickup on yet but almost want to just drop Brown so I don't have to look at him on my roster. But not even thinking about pickup up Brinkley at this point.
 
Back to topic, though. Anyone with Mathews or any Charger homers think Brinkley is even worth rostering at this point? Seems a little more spry than Ronald Brown.
Brinkley got most of the TB handoffs, Brown seemed to get the TB targets. To continue to harp on the same subject, unless/until the line improves, I don't know how much Brinkley will give you even if he holds his current role. He'd be a matchup vs. bad defense start at best I figure. Once Matthews returns I don't know that he's worth a roster spot to anyone but a Matthews owner.Now, Ridley did just go bonkers vs. the Titans, and despite the cool aid I don't think Ridley is anything special, so maybe you can get some palatable numbers from Brinkley this week if you're really hurting for starting RB options. If he did put up some numbers, I'd deal him for whatever you can get, probably to the Matthews owner (assuming you're not the Matthews owner, otherwise you might want to keep him for the next time Matthews gets dinged up).
 

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