Sam Bradford for Nick Foles TRADE ! (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

The trade up for Mariota involving Bradford makes no sense. At all. It's 6 weeks before the draft, the only team that would make sense is the Bucs. Otherwise, Chip has no idea if he'll be there or not.

bucs are taking winston.

Fine. The question that is obvious: Then why wouldn't the Rams just trade with whoever wanted Bradford? Because they wanted Foles over Mariota? That doesn't seem right to me.

It is more complicated than that, though.

The Rams would have had to part with more picks to get Mariota. Not only did they not have to cough up a high pick, the highest pick (a 2016 second) in THIS exchange goes their way, and they get a bump in a later round this season. They get a 2015 fourth that they traded away (with a sixth) for Bucs safety Mark Barron, former seventh overall pick in the 2012 draft.

Also, Fisher and Snead may be under some pressure to win this year, and I could easily see them more comfortable with Foles than Mariota (or Bradford's twice blown out ACL, for that matter - when sticking with him blew up in their face last year) on that score.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

... I suspect Foles on the Rams is going to be awful.

I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Insein]

So, to recap...

Rams get the better QB. Rams get the better picks. Rams save cap space. What do the Eagles get out of this again?

####ed in the ###.

 

[Billy Bats]

The trade up for Mariota involving Bradford makes no sense. At all. It's 6 weeks before the draft, the only team that would make sense is the Bucs. Otherwise, Chip has no idea if he'll be there or not.

bucs are taking winston.

Fine. The question that is obvious: Then why wouldn't the Rams just trade with whoever wanted Bradford? Because they wanted Foles over Mariota? That doesn't seem right to me.

Yes, and if Tennessee wants Bradford, they werent giving them number 2 just for Sam, probably would want ten overall+. Now the Rams have a QB (Foles) they like over the rookies AND keep the 10th overall+.

 

[Insein]

Die hard Eagles fan

from outsides, can anyone give me one shred of rationale to moving Foles and ADDING to get Bradford?

Surely figured a 2nd was coming back if not a 1st round swap also

WTH

There is none.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Here is a side by side comparison from the last full season from each player.

Not a huge sample, but a somewhat recent sample.

Bradford 2012 vs Foles 2013

Total passing yards - advantage Bradford

Completion percentage advantage Foles

Passing TDs - advantage Foles

Passing INTs - advantage Foles

Yards per passing attempt - advantage Foles

QB rushing yards advantage Foles

Overall QB rating advantage Foles

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradSa00/gamelog/2012/#stats

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00/gamelog/2013/

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Very interesting. Different systems for sure, but the overall difference is glaring.

 

[massraider]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

 

[Billy Bats]

Die hard Eagles fan

from outsides, can anyone give me one shred of rationale to moving Foles and ADDING to get Bradford?

Surely figured a 2nd was coming back if not a 1st round swap also

WTH

There is none.

Other teams involved for Bradford, Chip had to overpay in order to move up and get the guy he covets.

 

[massraider]

The trade up for Mariota involving Bradford makes no sense. At all. It's 6 weeks before the draft, the only team that would make sense is the Bucs. Otherwise, Chip has no idea if he'll be there or not.

bucs are taking winston.

Fine. The question that is obvious: Then why wouldn't the Rams just trade with whoever wanted Bradford? Because they wanted Foles over Mariota? That doesn't seem right to me.

It is more complicated than that, though.

The Rams would have had to part with more picks to get Mariota. Not only did they not have to cough up a high pick, the highest pick (a 2016 second) in THIS exchange goes their way, and they get a bump in a later round this season. They get a 2015 fourth that they traded away (with a sixth) for Bucs safety Mark Barron.

Also, Fisher and Snead may be under some pressure to win this year, and I could easily see them more comfortable with Foles than Mariota (or Bradford's twice blown out ACL, for that matter - when sticking with him blew up in their face last year) on that score.

But going from 10 to wherever they need to get for Mariota is a lot less expensive.

The thinking would have to be: We want Foles over Mariota. That's a tough one for me to think.

 

[Insein]

Here is a side by side comparison from the last full season from each player.

Not a huge sample, but a somewhat recent sample.

Bradford 2012 vs Foles 2013

Total passing yards - advantage Bradford

Completion percentage advantage Foles

Passing TDs - advantage Foles

Passing INTs - advantage Foles

Yards per passing attempt - advantage Foles

QB rushing yards advantage Foles

Overall QB rating advantage Foles

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradSa00/gamelog/2012/#stats

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00/gamelog/2013/

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Very interesting. Different systems for sure, but the overall difference is glaring.

Not to mention Bradford threw for 3700 yards in 16 games while Foles threw for 2900 in 11.

 

[Insein]

Die hard Eagles fan

from outsides, can anyone give me one shred of rationale to moving Foles and ADDING to get Bradford?

Surely figured a 2nd was coming back if not a 1st round swap also

WTH

There is none.

Other teams involved for Bradford, Chip had to overpay in order to move up and get the guy he covets.

No excuse to get bent over because you want a guy. The two trades as far as rams knew were not tied into geher so they should not have been hosed on value. No excuse. Lord knows what he'll give up to actually get MM now.

 

[Biabreakable]

Nick Foles is only under contract for 2015. So there is that part of the deal to take into consideration.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@MikeClayNFL: Most-recent 16 games comp

Bradford: 356/594, 3,799 yds. 28 TD, 11 INT

Foles: 339/544, 4,225 yds, 29 TD, 12 INT

#Eagles #Rams

@MikeClayNFL: Bradford only made it 7 games in 2013, but he was on pace for a 32:9 TD:INT ratio (seriously). #Eagles

 

[Billy Bats]

Die hard Eagles fan

from outsides, can anyone give me one shred of rationale to moving Foles and ADDING to get Bradford?

Surely figured a 2nd was coming back if not a 1st round swap also

WTH

There is none.

Other teams involved for Bradford, Chip had to overpay in order to move up and get the guy he covets.

No excuse to get bent over because you want a guy. The two trades as far as rams knew were not tied into geher so they should not have been hosed on value. No excuse. Lord knows what he'll give up to actually get MM now.

Ohhh I'm not defending it, just trying to make an ounce of sense out of it. And yea, terrified of the size of the farm he may give up to move up for MM. (If thats the plan)

 

[massraider]

Nick Foles is only under contract for 2015. So there is that part of the deal to take into consideration.

So like Bradford, but 12 mill less?

 

[eoMMan]

Foles to Bradford is a definite downgrade. They gave up on Foles way too early. Bradford, although he played for the crappy Rams, hasn't proven a thing to justify his high drafting. Besides, he's hurt every other day.

I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

I'm sad.

Hold me.

 

[Donnybrook]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

I will go with best available out of White, Cooper or Parker.

 

[Bob Magaw]

The trade up for Mariota involving Bradford makes no sense. At all. It's 6 weeks before the draft, the only team that would make sense is the Bucs. Otherwise, Chip has no idea if he'll be there or not.

bucs are taking winston.

Fine. The question that is obvious: Then why wouldn't the Rams just trade with whoever wanted Bradford? Because they wanted Foles over Mariota? That doesn't seem right to me.

It is more complicated than that, though.

The Rams would have had to part with more picks to get Mariota. Not only did they not have to cough up a high pick, the highest pick (a 2016 second) in THIS exchange goes their way, and they get a bump in a later round this season. They get a 2015 fourth that they traded away (with a sixth) for Bucs safety Mark Barron.

Also, Fisher and Snead may be under some pressure to win this year, and I could easily see them more comfortable with Foles than Mariota (or Bradford's twice blown out ACL, for that matter - when sticking with him blew up in their face last year) on that score.

But going from 10 to wherever they need to get for Mariota is a lot less expensive.

The thinking would have to be: We want Foles over Mariota. That's a tough one for me to think.

The point being, whatever it would cost, they would have to part with picks (possibly high ones), and this way they get a second in return (albeit next year). I'm not having a problem thinking the Rams might not be sold on Mariota, and like the upside of Foles. There is also the question of Fisher and Snead possibly feeling pressure to win now, and Foles more likely to help than Mariota.

 

[GoBirds]

Never been a fan of Bradford but never watched much. I guess there is some talent there somewhere as the former top pick?

 

[Bob Magaw]

Nick Foles is only under contract for 2015. So there is that part of the deal to take into consideration.

Same as Bradford.

 

[Biabreakable]

Nick Foles is only under contract for 2015. So there is that part of the deal to take into consideration.

So like Bradford, but 12 mill less?

Well perhaps Kelly did not want to pay what it was going to cost to keep Foles beyond this season?

They are both on prove it type deals. I honestly don't know why Kelly wanted Bradford at all.

 

[Tool]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This thread will get really good after we extend Bradford.

 

[Amused to Death]

This thread will get really good after we extend Bradford.

I'm really hoping the Eagles work out a new deal for Bradford - one in which they use some of their ample cap space to re-work the contract into one that's tradeable. Flip him to either NYJ or Tennessee. Both seem to have an interest in Bradford. The Jets suddenly have a lot of pieces in place and just need a QB.

 

[massraider]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

 

[Donnybrook]

This thread will get really good after we extend Bradford.

This thread will go to a 100 pages if they don't extend him. I will have 50 days to dream up crazy ### Philly Mariota draft trade scenarios.

 

[comfortably numb]

Nick Foles is only under contract for 2015. So there is that part of the deal to take into consideration.

This may be a very good point being overlooked.

It sounds like Foles is not the type of QB Kelly wants.

He can play a full 16 games for PHI this year, throw 4000+ yards and 30TDs and suddenly be looking for a 100M contract.

 

[Tool]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

It doesn't make any sense to trade for Foles to be a "bridge" QB. They could've traded for another player that they could use and sign Ryan Fitzpatrick or something. Foles is going to be the starter. That's why they traded for him.

 

[jumper]

I know I am likely in the minority, but I think Bradford is better than Foles. The Colorado Rockies analogy is a good one. Bradford on PHI will be fine. I suspect Foles on the Rams is going to be awful.

If neither QB is a sure thing, I think the Rams made the right call in picking the one that saved them $12MM in cap space and netted them an additional 2nd rounder. I think both are capable of being solid starters and perhaps even in the lower end QB1 tier along with the likes of Tannenhill.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@ByDavidMurphy: The most logical explanation, by far: Chip Kelly liked Bradford and gave up a 2nd rounder for him. Everything else is a coping mechanism

 

[massraider]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

It doesn't make any sense to trade for Foles to be a "bridge" QB. They could've traded for another player that they could use and sign Ryan Fitzpatrick or something. Foles is going to be the starter. That's why they traded for him.

If the Eagles wanted Bradford, and threw in a 2nd, it makes a bit more sense, no?

 

[Bob Magaw]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

They could, but by the same token, why couldn't they like Foles? Maybe he is a system QB, but the 27/2 TD/INT ratio in 2013 (best in league history) is hard to completely overlook.

STL local journalist Bernie Miklasz just passed along PFF's annual roster analysis, in which STL didn't get passing marks. They were going into this draft with just five picks (less the fourth and sixth). Depending on free agency, they only have two definite starting OL (LT Greg Robinson and RG/T Roger Saffold). They arguably don't have a WR1 (even if Britt returns - they also have Austin, Bailey, Givens). Some of the expensive free agent signings like Jake Long and Scott Wells (released yesterday) didn't work out. They don't exactly have a stacked roster. They do have potential if some of the youngsters develop (like WR Quick flashed signs of in 2014 before a season-ending injury).

 

[Ditka Butkus]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

I will go with best available out of White, Cooper or Parker.

Foles won't be able to get the ball to the guys you suggest whilst on his back. IMO they have to go OL

 

[massraider]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

They could, but by the same token, why couldn't they like Foles?

No reason at all. I just think it's easier to believe that Nick Foles isn't the reason that you don't go and get Mariota.

I also think the easiest thing to believe is the Rams are just done with Bradford, maybe he refused to extend his contract for a more realistic number.

The might like Foles, but maybe they just like Foles more than Bradford.

 

[Insein]

@ByDavidMurphy: The most logical explanation, by far: Chip Kelly liked Bradford and gave up a 2nd rounder for him. Everything else is a coping mechanism

A 2nd rounder AND A BETTER QB!

 

[Tool]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

It doesn't make any sense to trade for Foles to be a "bridge" QB. They could've traded for another player that they could use and sign Ryan Fitzpatrick or something. Foles is going to be the starter. That's why they traded for him.

If the Eagles wanted Bradford, and threw in a 2nd, it makes a bit more sense, no?

Not really, they would've asked for something else if they didn't want Foles as their starter.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

That Sanchez deal makes a ton of sense now...

 

[massraider]

Not really, they would've asked for something else if they didn't want Foles as their starter.

Perhaps the Eagles weren't offering anything other than Foles. Foles was a throw-in.

No one else is offering a 2nd rounder for Bradford, the Rams take the best deal they can, and more ammo to move up.

 

[Bob Magaw]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

They could, but by the same token, why couldn't they like Foles?

No reason at all. I just think it's easier to believe that Nick Foles isn't the reason that you don't go and get Mariota.

I also think the easiest thing to believe is the Rams are just done with Bradford, maybe he refused to extend his contract for a more realistic number.

The might like Foles, but maybe they just like Foles more than Bradford.

You haven't addressed the win now point, and I would just have to agree to disagree the Rams have some kind of stacked roster where they are one of the teams in the league most able to cough up picks (let alone high picks).

I chalk this up to the Rams probably liking Foles more than you, and perhaps not liking Mariota as much as you?

This is complicated by the fact that we are commenting on what is at this point pure speculation (IF other teams covet Bradford, blah blah blah). For all we know, Mariota could go second overall, and TEN may have no interest in trading the rights to him. In which case a bird in hand (Foles) is better than X in the bush (which might be vaporware).

 

[Tool]

Not really, they would've asked for something else if they didn't want Foles as their starter.

Perhaps the Eagles weren't offering anything other than Foles. Foles was a throw-in.

No one else is offering a 2nd rounder for Bradford, the Rams take the best deal they can, and more ammo to move up.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[massraider]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

No? Consider:

If there was ever a team that could afford to move a lot of picks for a QB, it's the Rams. They have a young team, with solid young players at a lot of spots. They did really well with drafting, and had a ton from the RGIII deal. This teams biggest hole is QB (and LT, I guess).

Mariota isn't Chip Kelly's property, it's not some pre-ordained marriage. Why couldn't the Rams love Mariota themselves?

They could, but by the same token, why couldn't they like Foles?

No reason at all. I just think it's easier to believe that Nick Foles isn't the reason that you don't go and get Mariota.

I also think the easiest thing to believe is the Rams are just done with Bradford, maybe he refused to extend his contract for a more realistic number.

The might like Foles, but maybe they just like Foles more than Bradford.

You haven't addressed the win now point, and I would just have to agree to disagree the Rams have some kind of stacked roster where they are one of the teams in the league most able to cough up picks (let along high picks).

I chalk this up to the Rams probably liking Foles more than you, and perhaps not liking Mariota as much as you?

This is complicated by by the fact that we are commenting on what is at this point pure speculation (IF other teams covet Bradford, blah blah blah). For all we know, Mariota could go second overall, and TEN may have no interest in trading the rights to him. In which case a bird in hand (Foles) is better than X in the bush (which might be vaporware).

Sure, it's all speculation. I'm not even saying I think it's likely.

Foles answers the win-now question. If Mariota isn't ready to go, they go with Foles.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Rams ripped them off badly

Now get Foles some WRs

And there's the punch line.

The Rams draft WR's only slightly better than the Patriots do.

 

[ryno1980]

Rams ripped them off badly

Now get Foles some WRs

And there's the punch line.

The Rams draft WR's only slightly better than the Patriots do.

Brian Quick was on pace for 80+ catches and 6 TDs through 7 games before going down with injury.

 

[massraider]

The irony in the Rams trying for years to get Bradford help, and then trading him to a team that got rid of DeSean, Maclin, and McCoy is delicious.

 

[Moonlight]

I know I am likely in the minority, but I think Bradford is better than Foles. The Colorado Rockies analogy is a good one. Bradford on PHI will be fine. I suspect Foles on the Rams is going to be awful.

Agree.

 

[jumper]

Rams ripped them off badly

Now get Foles some WRs

And there's the punch line.

The Rams draft WR's only slightly better than the Patriots do.

They just can't pick WR1s, they're pretty solid at identifying WR2 guys like Quick, Givens, and Bailey.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Rams ripped them off badly

Now get Foles some WRs

And there's the punch line.

The Rams draft WR's only slightly better than the Patriots do.

I think Stedman Bailey is a hidden gem. The suspension was really unfortunate and set back his development. He had a four game stretch last year in games 9-12 with 19 receptions and 310 receiving yards (would prorate to 76-1,240), though that is admittedly a scant basis for projection. And he only had 1 TD.

Most Rams fans would say Austin was underutilized, perhaps the new OC can do a better job involving him earlier and more often. And with that 1.10 pick, if they don't take an OL like Scherff, perhaps a WR like Cooper drops? Not to mention Britt could be re-signed (generally stayed healthier and at times looked more explosive than he had in years), and Quick showed promising development.

 

[cstu]

The irony in the Rams trying for years to get Bradford help, and then trading him to a team that got rid of DeSean, Maclin, and McCoy is delicious.

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[cstu]

massraider, on 10 Mar 2015 - 6:21 PM, said:

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

I would if this happened but Tennessee is going to want Chip's possible 1.1 next year.

 

[cstu]

What makes more sense to me, a LOT more sense, is the Rams having Foles as a bridge, and using their picks to go get Mariota.

I will go with best available out of White, Cooper or Parker.

Foles won't be able to get the ball to the guys you suggest whilst on his back. IMO they have to go OL

The Rams cleared a lot of cap room - any good free agent OL left?