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Sam Bradford for Nick Foles TRADE ! (1 Viewer)

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Donnybrook said:
David Dodds said:
... I suspect Foles on the Rams is going to be awful.
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I would argue that the Rams have the talent to be a top 5 defense and all Foles will have to do is keep from turning the ball over. They could win a lot of games Seattle style.
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Agreed, and Foles is better than the Davis/Hill combo that completed 63% of their passes, 20 TD, 17 INT last year.
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And maybe Foles looks better in a conventional offense. Who knows? He's not Jake Locker, he is still an unknown, and really , so is Bradford.

 
I guess I'm in the minority but I love Bradford on the Eagles and think Philly got the better of the trade

 
This is how I feel:

Tough to believe in Chip Kelly after baffling QB swap

March 10, 2015, 10:00 pm

I kept thinking maybe the reports are wrong. Maybe the details of the trade are wrong. Maybe its a fake Twitter account. Maybe I misread it. Maybe the Eagles actually received a second-round pick instead of giving one up.

And I kept reading the tweet from the Eagles over and over and over and it didnt change.

Because this happened, and I cant for the life of me figure out how the Eagles are a better football team now than they were yesterday.

Nick Foles, a second-round pick in 2016 and a fourth-round pick in 2015 for Sam Bradford and the Rams fifth-round pick in 2015 (see story).

It just cant be.

But there it is.

Sam Bradford is the Eagles quarterback.

Sam Bradford.

It just does not add up.

There has to be more. There has to be something else. There has to be a deeper plan.

Because you simply dont make Sam Bradford 18 career wins, two career ACLs, 59 touchdown passes in 49 games the centerpiece of your football team.

So maybe theres still a chance Chip Kelly has something up his sleeve. Maybe theres more to come. Maybe theres a team out there at the top of the draft that wants Bradford and is just sitting there waiting to trade a top-five pick to the Eagles for Bradford, freeing up the Eagles to draft Kellys beloved Marcus Mariotta.

But that really seems like a longshot. Because when they look at Bradford, theyll see what we see:

Turns 28 this fall, has played just seven games the last two years because of consecutive torn ACLs in the same knee, won 18 of 49 starts with the Rams, limited to an average of 9.8 starts per season because of injuries, has never had a winning record in any NFL season and even has a lower rushing average than Foles (3.9 to 2.5). Oh, and has a $12.985 million cap figure this year.

Heres the legacy Nick Foles leaves: 14-4 record under Kelly with 40 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions. The third-best interception ratio in NFL history and the ninth-highest passer rating. Walked off the field against the Saints in 2013 with the lead in a playoff game, only to watch special teams and the defense give the game away.

Why Kelly gave up on Foles so quickly is a big enough mystery. You just dont give up on big, tough, smart, young quarterbacks with a history of winning football games. Theyre hard to find. Foles has his faults, but hes shown enough in his first 24 career starts that its clear he can play the game at a high level and with his work ethic its clear hes going to get even better.

Why Kelly believes he can win a Super Bowl with Bradford is an even bigger mystery. Bradford is a talented guy and has been buried on bad teams, but the bottom line is hes been in the NFL five years and won 18 games and blown out his knee two years in a row.

The Eagles keep asking us to trust Kelly, but its getting harder and harder to do it.

Its only March 9, and there are more moves to come, and theres the rest of free agency and the draft and trades, and Im always the one preaching patience half a year before opening day.

But I cant comprehend how a team without DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy and Nick Foles is better than one with them.

Taken individually, some of the moves make sense. I was OK with the releasing of Jackson because of his size and annual drop in production late in the season. I was OK with the Shady trade because of his cap figure and because the Eagles got Kiko Alonso back and because running backs really do seem pretty much interchangeable.

But the Eagles lost me when they let Maclin go to the Chiefs, and giving up Foles and a second-round pick for a perennially injured quarterback with a less resume is baffling.

It doesnt help that Kelly and Jeff Lurie have been hiding silently in the NovaCare Complex, steadfastly refusing to explain their actions throughout probably the most dramatic offseason in franchise history.

I want to believe this is all going to lead somewhere else, but I dont see how.

I want to be patient, but right now its almost impossible.

I want to believe in Chip, but right now its really hard.
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I think it's clear that Sam wouldn't restructure his contract. So the Rams got a guy they thought they could develop while saving a TON of cap room. Remember the Rams brought in a QB coach whose generally thought of as a absolute guru despite the fact that he's never coached on this level prior.

Foles doesn't need to be a franchise quarterback for the Rams to win under Fisher's system. The fact is is that if they can turn him into a solid game manager who stays healthy they can then build a solid OL, with cap space and picks, pound the run game and win with defense. This is how Fisher wants to play and would've done that with Bradford if he was willing to restructure that 13 million but he wasn't so they traded him.

 
dkp993 said:
I think it's clear that Sam wouldn't restructure his contract. So the Rams got a guy they thought they could develop while saving a TON of cap room. Remember the Rams brought in a QB coach whose generally thought of as a absolute guru despite the fact that he's never coached on this level prior.

Foles doesn't need to be a franchise quarterback for the Rams to win under Fisher's system. The fact is is that if they can turn him into a solid game manager who stays healthy they can then build a solid OL, with cap space and picks, pound the run game and win with defense. This is how Fisher wants to play and would've done that with Bradford if he was willing to restructure that 13 million but he wasn't so they traded him.
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there's really nothing to restructure ---- the contract options are either pay cut or extension

I don't see why he'd want to take a pay cut, and they apparently weren't interested in extending him

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
@WillBrinson: .@Eagles eyed Sam Bradford for weeks and view him as franchise-type QB: http://t.co/968CxfU2VThttp://t.co/SaBDlUtqZ6
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Sam Bradford - QB - Eagles
According to PhiladelphiaEagles.com, coach/GM Chip Kelly identified Sam Bradford as a "special talent who can make this offense soar."
The Eagles' website says the team studied Bradford "very, very extensively" before Tuesday's trade, and believe he's a player with "special accuracy, touch and a big arm." Chip's in-house website still believes Bradford is capable of making "every throw from every position on the field." All team-produced materials should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's gushing that should give at least a little pause to the idea that Philly only acquired Bradford to flip him in a potential trade up for Marcus Mariota.

Source: philadelphiaeagles.com
Mar 11 - 12:15 AM

 
From a FF perspective I like it. Former top talent Bradford goes from a team with moribund game plans and stuck in the mud OCs to one of the most forward thinking offensive minds. I say buy buy buy.

 
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I doubt I sway anyone here, but let me offer a perspective that I think this came from:

1. Sam Bradford is signed through 2015 only. He is not willing to restructure and wants off that team. The feeling is pretty much mutual so he was getting traded no matter what.

2. Nick Foles played great in 2013, but looked awful for most of 2014. Chip Kelly believes Mark Sanchez is a better player than Nick Foles and I think Nick Foles knows this. Because of that Nick had zero desire to extend his contract and also wants to play out 2015 and go to free agency. Based on how Chip Kelly views the pecking order of Sanchez and Foles, it's not a terrible reach to think he believes that Bradford is better than Sanchez.

3. Chip Kelly believe his system will produce because of mismatches so he thinks if he started Nick Foles (and he stays healthy), he would guarantee that Foles would be too costly to retain in free agency (after he played great in the coach's system). Essentially Chip feels like he has already lost Foles no matter what.

4. I think the Eagles KNOW they can extend Bradford now and will be shocked if a deal isn't reached soon.

5. I don't think the Eagles are going for MM at all. I think they are content riding with Bradford and Sanchez. I expect they will draft a lot of WRs that fit the mold of Chip Kelly guys (bigger and stronger than DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin). Since he was heavily involved at Oregon, I am betting he lands some diamonds in the rough through the draft that can play at his tempo.

6. Chip is slowly transforming this into his team. I think he liked McCoy, but is content with just swapping out multiple backs and not spending a lot at the position. Maclin was never the kind of guy he would pay $11M for. Similar to why he let DJX leave the year earlier.

7. Based on all of this, the Eagles felt they had already lost Foles so they traded a second rounder to secure their starting QB. If you feel Bradford is a bum, you have to hate the deal. If Bradford is a quality starter, then paying just a second rounder is actually quite cheap (anyone remember the Carson Palmer and RGIII deals?) Starting QBs cost a LOT.

It's easy to be super critical of this right now. I do think Bradford will do well even if you can't name their starting WR team right now. I think Jordan Matthews is ready to be a HUGE star in this league. The Eagles likely overpaid a bit especially if the Rams were anxious to move Bradford.

 
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If you look at the trade as a 2nd and later pick upgrade for Bradford it's not bad. That's the going rate for a solid but not great QB (Alex Smith) and obviously Chip thinks he's better than that. The fact that there's a chance it is a late 2nd is even better. The value goes lopsided when you consider they gave up Foles too. If you count Foles as expendable, the trade is fine. Probably the last thing Chip wanted was for Foles to have a decent year and have to answer those questions. There's no questioning the Rams won on value, but it's a low buy-in if the Eagles are looking to gamble on finding a better QB.

No one is really talking about how this affects the Rams. Will they show any sort of commitment to Foles? They got better picks in the deal, but Fisher's leash is short, a lot shorter than Chip's. They will probably have a new coach next year, especially given how rough their division is, and they will have to reassess Foles with an all new staff. STL is in no position to commit to a mediocre QB.

 
On David's point four above, it is very possible both sides already had a nudge nudge, wink wink deal in place prior to the trade.

And on point five, I also don't think this is an overture towards a larger move for Mariota, and that we should just take the internal messages coming from PHI that in their estimation Bradford has untapped talent at face value.

 
thriftyrocker said:
If you look at the trade as a 2nd and later pick upgrade for Bradford it's not bad. That's the going rate for a solid but not great QB (Alex Smith) and obviously Chip thinks he's better than that. The fact that there's a chance it is a late 2nd is even better. The value goes lopsided when you consider they gave up Foles too. If you count Foles as expendable, the trade is fine. Probably the last thing Chip wanted was for Foles to have a decent year and have to answer those questions. There's no questioning the Rams won on value, but it's a low buy-in if the Eagles are looking to gamble on finding a better QB.

No one is really talking about how this affects the Rams. Will they show any sort of commitment to Foles? They got better picks in the deal, but Fisher's leash is short, a lot shorter than Chip's. They will probably have a new coach next year, especially given how rough their division is, and they will have to reassess Foles with an all new staff. STL is in no position to commit to a mediocre QB.
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This is the way it makes sense (assuming no deal is already in place with the Titans) - Chip knows Foles 100% isn't the QB he wants and another with him doesn't help him figure the QB situation long-term. He's able to test drive, so to speak, Bradford for the cost of a 2nd/cap room and possibly find his long-term QB.

 
David Dodds said:
I doubt I sway anyone here, but let me offer a perspective that I think this came from:

1. Sam Bradford is signed through 2015 only. He is not willing to restructure and wants off that team. The feeling is pretty much mutual so he was getting traded no matter what.

2. Nick Foles played great in 2013, but looked awful for most of 2014. Chip Kelly believes Mark Sanchez is a better player than Nick Foles and I think Nick Foles knows this. Because of that Nick had zero desire to extend his contract and also wants to play out 2015 and go to free agency. Based on how Chip Kelly views the pecking order of Sanchez and Foles, it's not a terrible reach to think he believes that Bradford is better than Sanchez.

3. Chip Kelly believe his system will produce because of mismatches so he thinks if he started Nick Foles (and he stays healthy), he would guarantee that Foles would be too costly to retain in free agency (after he played great in the coach's system). Essentially Chip feels like he has already lost Foles no matter what.

4. I think the Eagles KNOW they can extend Bradford now and will be shocked if a deal isn't reached soon.

5. I don't think the Eagles are going for MM at all. I think they are content riding with Bradford and Sanchez. I expect they will draft a lot of WRs that fit the mold of Chip Kelly guys (bigger and stronger than DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin). Since he was heavily involved at Oregon, I am betting he lands some diamonds in the rough through the draft that can play at his tempo.

6. Chip is slowly transforming this into his team. I think he liked McCoy, but is content with just swapping out multiple backs and not spending a lot at the position. Maclin was never the kind of guy he would pay $11M for. Similar to why he let DJX leave the year earlier.

7. Based on all of this, the Eagles felt they had already lost Foles so they traded a second rounder to secure their starting QB. If you feel Bradford is a bum, you have to hate the deal. If Bradford is a quality starter, then paying just a second rounder is actually quite cheap (anyone remember the Carson Palmer and RGIII deals?) Starting QBs cost a LOT.

It's easy to be super critical of this right now. I do think Bradford will do well even if you can't name their starting WR team right now. I think Jordan Matthews is ready to be a HUGE star in this league. The Eagles likely overpaid a bit especially if the Rams were anxious to move Bradford.
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He didn't pay a 2nd rounder. If that's all they wanted then give that to them. No he gave a starter, a 2nd and a downgrade of 4th to 5th this year. I don't care if Bradford becomes HOF, he totally botched this trade and got zero value for Foles. He gave away a starting calibur NFL QB as a throw in to get an underachieving, injury prone and overpaid one.

 
I'm pretty sure this trade of Foles (white guy) for Bradford (Native American descent) was done primarily for the purpose of appeasing Stephen A. Smith.

 
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At the end of the day this stuff is all just noise and what matters is what happens on the field. Chip Kelly certainly doesn't care what anyone thinks...wins one trade, lose another...he has his vision, right or wrong, and he's either going to be a genius and people are going to be left scratching their heads or he's over his head and will go down in flames. I happen to think despite all this stuff that he's still going to be successful and I'm anxious to see how this all turns out...certainly the most interesting story I'll be watching this year.

 
Even after sleeping on it, I can't even fathom a logical rationale for this trade. Bradford will have to be the 2nd coming of Andrew Luck.

 
BroadwayG said:
Even after sleeping on it, I can't even fathom a logical rationale for this trade. Bradford will have to be the 2nd coming of Andrew Luck.
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huh? for Foles and a 2nd next year? which equates to a 3rd rounder this year...that's not much at all for a starting QB. I personally don't think Foles is a good QB at all and Bradford the jury is out but injuries have certainly been an issue. No one knows Kelly's system better than Kelly himself and he's finding guys he feels can run it. He apparently felt that Foles was worse than Sanchez which to me says a ton.

 
BroadwayG said:
BroadwayG, on 11 Mar 2015 - 08:43 AM, said:Even after sleeping on it, I can't even fathom a logical rationale for this trade. Bradford will have to be the 2nd coming of Andrew Luck.
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That's a little too far, it's not like he gave up a ton of 1st's for RGme or traded for Cutler.

 
Banger said:
BroadwayG said:
Even after sleeping on it, I can't even fathom a logical rationale for this trade. Bradford will have to be the 2nd coming of Andrew Luck.
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huh? for Foles and a 2nd next year? which equates to a 3rd rounder this year...that's not much at all for a starting QB. I personally don't think Foles is a good QB at all and Bradford the jury is out but injuries have certainly been an issue. No one knows Kelly's system better than Kelly himself and he's finding guys he feels can run it. He apparently felt that Foles was worse than Sanchez which to me says a ton.
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There's a flip side to that coin

 
BroadwayG said:
Even after sleeping on it, I can't even fathom a logical rationale for this trade. Bradford will have to be the 2nd coming of Andrew Luck.
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The trade the Eagles were thought to be preparing for. You know that one where they gave up 2 years of picks and maybe more. That one would have required Andrew Luck or else the team would be gutted. This way at least they can replace Maclin through the draft and add talent to the secondary. If it doesn't work the rest of the team can stay solid while you continue to wait & pray for a QB. It was actually the best value move to improve at QB. It's only controversial because many don't trust how much of an improvement it was.

 
Banger said:
He apparently felt that Foles was worse than Sanchez which to me says a ton.
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Sanchez would sign a 2 year backup deal with escalators. Foles is waiting for a Flacco deal. I think that's the difference. Foles would have been the 2015 starter IMO. Both are good bridge QBs but not franchise QBs.

 
BroadwayG said:
thriftyrocker said:
Banger said:
He apparently felt that Foles was worse than Sanchez which to me says a ton.
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Sanchez would sign a 2 year backup deal with escalators. Foles is waiting for a Flacco deal. I think that's the difference. Foles would have been the 2015 starter IMO. Both are good bridge QBs but not franchise QBs.
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What kind of deal is Bradford waiting for?
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They think Bradford is a franchise QB and better than Foles. That is the reason they did the deal. There is no reason to give up draft capital unless you think it improves your team. If Bradford has a playoff/pro bowl season, they will gladly re-sign him and commit to him long term. If Foles has a playoff/pro bowl season, they would grit their teeth.

 
I thought this was interesting:

GroveDiesel said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
@caplannfl: #Eagles to host RB Ryan Mathews today, as @MikeGarafolo said. They've been interested in him for a while. Fits offense well.

How many IR spots do NFL teams have?
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Well, the Eagles have been top 5 in starts lost the previous 2 years (in the good way, as in least amount). So they're doing something right under Kelly. They sure are taking on a lot of guys with serious injury histories though.
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Peter King - MMQB/SI

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/11/jameis-winston-roger-goodell-nfl-trades-free-agency-retirement/

The Rams-Eagles trade will take a long time to figure out. The deal no one saw coming was Sam Bradford and a fifth-round pick in 2015 for Nick Foles, a fourth-round pick in 2015 and a second-round pick in 2016. The Rams had multiple trade options for Bradford, who has had two straight seasons ended with ACL tears to his left knee, but by Monday they were focused on Philadelphia because the Eagles had something that no other involved team would offer—a potential starting quarterback in Foles.

What I was told reliably Tuesday night: Philadelphia coach/power-czar Chip Kelly loves Bradford, feels Bradford’s the right guy to run his fast-paced offense, and this from an insider on the trade of the day: “Chip came hard after Bradford. That’s why this happened.” I know many of you think this is some sort of precursor to Kelly stockpiling weaponry to chase Marcus Mariota in the first round of the draft, but I don’t think so. There aren’t a lot of GMs in the league who would think Bradford is clearly better than Foles. So to trade up for Mariota, from where the Eagles sit at 20, would take first-round picks this year and next year, the second-round pick this year, Bradford, and probably more. That assumes the Titans or Jets actually want the risky Bradford and would sacrifice dealing down to number 20 this year in the process. I don’t see it. It’s far more likely that, as my source says, Kelly is smitten with Bradford, who ran a fast-paced offense at Oklahoma his final season even though he is more suited to a classic NFL scheme.

Two other points to be made here: I can tell you with certainty that this was not a trade made to punish Bradford for not re-doing his contract. Bradford was owed $13 million this year, and the Rams certainly wanted him to take a major pay cut to stay, after he gave them precious little in the past two seasons. I also can tell you that, even if Bradford had agreed to slash his salary before the weekend, the Rams still would have made this trade. They like this trade. They like Foles’ potential, they like the fact that they picked up a 2016 second-rounder, and through no fault of his own they’d lost faith in Bradford. No matter what they said, they just had no faith that Bradford could stay upright for 16 games.

As for Kelly, he now is under heavy, heavy pressure. No one truly buys that Bradford is a franchise quarterback. He may be, but he certainly isn’t now. He’s missed 39 of 80 possible NFL starts due to injury, he’s a 58.6 percent passer, and his passer rating is a feeble 79.3. He’s been hurt in fluky ways, but life for an NFL player starts with showing up, and Bradford hasn’t been good at that. If he either doesn’t play well or goes down by Columbus Day with another injury, it’s going to be very tough for Kelly to take the broadsides that will come his way in a tough NFL city.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I thought this was interesting:

GroveDiesel said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
@caplannfl: #Eagles to host RB Ryan Mathews today, as @MikeGarafolo said. They've been interested in him for a while. Fits offense well.

How many IR spots do NFL teams have?
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Well, the Eagles have been top 5 in starts lost the previous 2 years (in the good way, as in least amount). So they're doing something right under Kelly. They sure are taking on a lot of guys with serious injury histories though.
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Yeah, what they did right under Kelly, almost exclusively, was done by Foles, McCoy, DJax, and Maclin. But those weren't "his guys," and he's WAY more invested in developing the narrative that he's some sort of rogue genius than he is in learning to evaluate NFL talent.

That Eagles team was fairly barren when he got there, but at least it came well stocked with offensive skill position players. He's now pissed away every gift he was handed. Chip could be a hell of an NFL OC, but he's way out of his depth trying to manage a roster. This team is going to be dwelling in the basement of that division until they ditch this clown, unless they come to some sort of agreement where he gets stripped of all personnel power, and they actually bring in a comepetent GM instead of a bean counter.

Sorry, Philly, but you're actually a bigger clown show than Washington and Cleveland at this point. I pity you guys.

 
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NFL Network with a round table this morning.

Michael Silver - Sounds like Bradford wouldn't have been traded if he had taken a pay cut, they do like him, but it was hard to reconcile his salary with his extensive, checkered medical record (especially past two years).

Charly Casserly - Noted Shurmur connection. Bradford's accuracy and quick decision making make him a great fit for Kelly's system. Thinks he has Pro Bowl ability, but acknowledges injury risk (my only question is I think Casserly is basing this off his scouting evaluations, based on his *RAW* stats, accuracy nothing to write home about - though by PFF-type advanced metrics, adjusting for drops and so forth, I taked it he graded out significantly higher?).

Daniel Jeremiah - Noted the stockpiling of injured players by PHI alluded to elsewhere. Mentioned a saying they had while he was a scout with the Ravens organization. Hurt guys stay hurt, fat guys stay fat and dumb guys stay dumb. Good luck hoping for a reversal of these principles/near axioms.

 
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Freelove said:
Yeah, what they did right under Kelly, almost exclusively, was done by Foles, McCoy, DJax, and Maclin. But those weren't "his guys," and he's WAY more invested in developing the narrative that he's some sort of rogue genius than he is in learning to evaluate NFL talent.


That Eagles team was fairly barren when he got there, but at least it came well stocked with offensive skill position players. He's now pissed away every gift he was handed. Chip could be a hell of an NFL OC, but he's way out of his depth trying to manage a roster. This team is going to be dwelling in the basement of that division until they ditch this clown, unless they come to some sort of agreement where he gets stripped of all personnel power, and they actually bring in a comepetent GM instead of a bean counter.

Sorry, Philly, but you're actually a bigger clown show than Washington and Cleveland at this point. I pity you guys.
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Just like Chip runs a gimmick offense that will NEVER work in the NFL, right? I sure heard that line a lot a few years ago.

Instead of making wild assumptions I'm gonna go ahead and wait and see what happens come September. There's a reason this guy gets paid millions of dollars to run a football team, and we're all a bunch of fans on a message board.

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But while as fans we're all confused as hell at the moment, acting like the 2015 season is already over is just dumb.

 
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Skoo said:
Freelove said:
Yeah, what they did right under Kelly, almost exclusively, was done by Foles, McCoy, DJax, and Maclin. But those weren't "his guys," and he's WAY more invested in developing the narrative that he's some sort of rogue genius than he is in learning to evaluate NFL talent.


That Eagles team was fairly barren when he got there, but at least it came well stocked with offensive skill position players. He's now pissed away every gift he was handed. Chip could be a hell of an NFL OC, but he's way out of his depth trying to manage a roster. This team is going to be dwelling in the basement of that division until they ditch this clown, unless they come to some sort of agreement where he gets stripped of all personnel power, and they actually bring in a comepetent GM instead of a bean counter.

Sorry, Philly, but you're actually a bigger clown show than Washington and Cleveland at this point. I pity you guys.
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Just like Chip runs a gimmick offense that will NEVER work in the NFL, right? I sure heard that line a lot a few years ago.

Instead of making wild assumptions I'm gonna go ahead and wait and see what happens come September. There's a reason this guy gets paid millions of dollars to run a football team, and we're all a bunch of fans on a message board.

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But while as fans we're all confused as hell at the moment, acting like the 2015 season is already over is just dumb.
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This is true.

Wait and see, at least if he fails it will be on his own accord not having had players pushed down his throat

 
I realize Bradford's low career YPC percentage is one of the biggest issues detractors have with him. I agree with the above that he has a strong arm and can make all the throws with the key proviso or caveat, WHEN HE HAS TIME (which he often didn't). He could have better pocket sense, so some of his troubles are on him. Below is my go to example showing that, in the right situation, Bradford has the CAPABILITY of throwing a nice deep ball with touch and accuracy. He throws a nice catchable ball, and in THAT respect (not necessarily others), reminds me of Troy Aikman, who threw one of the prettiest, most catchable balls I've ever seen. I'm probably an incorrigible Bradford optimist, so my take should be taken with a healthy grain of salt, but if he can just stay upright, the more I think about it, I don't see how he doesn't do really well with a change of scenery and in offensive guru Kelly's wide open, fast break, up tempo scheme, which is reminiscent of the offense he last starred in while at Oklahoma, leading to his being picked #1 overall.

*Chris Givens 2012 rookie highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtAkOblXq-o

He had a 50-plus yard reception in five consecutive games from September 30 to October 21, 2012, breaking an NFL rookie record for most consecutive games with a 50-plus yard reception held by Willie Gault that stood about three decades.

 
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