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Sam Bradford for Nick Foles TRADE ! (1 Viewer)

So, to recap...

Rams get the better QB. Rams get the better picks. Rams save cap space. What do the Eagles get out of this again?

 
NJ said:
PatsWillWin said:
I still have no idea what the confirmed trade is.
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Rams get Foles, 2015 4th, 2016 2nd

Eagles get Bradford, his contract, 2015 5th and could get a conditional 2016 pick back if Bradford doesn't play 50% of the snaps (It will be a 3rd if Bradford does not play at all; and a 4th if he starts less than 50 percent of plays.)
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I keep reading this, and every time I do, it gets worse and worse for the Eagles. :thumbdown:

 
Die hard Eagles fan

from outsides, can anyone give me one shred of rationale to moving Foles and ADDING to get Bradford?

Surely figured a 2nd was coming back if not a 1st round swap also

WTH

 
What Chip likes about Bradford is that he's merely immobile, versus extremely immobile like Foles.

 
Count me as one who, after thinking about it....isn't ready to jump off the 700 level quite yet.

I don't know how this improves the chances of getting MM...but I don't think Foles is better than Bradford. I think the combo of Bradford being injured and the revolving door of HC's/OC's for St. Louis gives Bradford a bit of a mulligan.

That being said... it's not like Bradford's walking into a locker room with McCoy, Jackson and Maclin......so he very well might appear to be a lot worse than Foles.

 
Thunderlips said:
Casting Couch said:
Lott said:
Folks who are saying Foles is a better QB than Bradford are severely overestimating how good Foles is, IMO.
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Foles isn't a better QB....... he's a MUCH better QB.
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Is he though? I don't think he's a more durable or athletic QB.

To be fair to Bradford, it's not like his teams coaching staff has been a model of consistency. I'm sure Chip thinks he's been criminally under-utilized.
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Bradford did look good at the beginning of 2013. He is a better fit for Chip's system than Foles but I have a hard time believing he had to give up a 2nd to get him. I expect both QB's to do well this year (assuming they stay healthy).

 
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The question isn't is Foles better than Bradford, it's is Bradford $10 million plus some draft picks better than Foles?

 
I don't like the trade for the Eagles. They gave up too much. Bradford might be an upgrade from Foles, but he is also a free agent in 2016. So even if Bradford lights up the stat sheet this year. The Eagles are probably looking at having to resign him in the 20mil per season range. That is pretty high for a "system QB"

 
Max Power said:
I don't like the trade for the Eagles. They gave up too much. Bradford might be an upgrade from Foles, but he is also a free agent in 2016. So even if Bradford lights up the stat sheet this year. The Eagles are probably looking at having to resign him in the 20mil per season range. That is pretty high for a "system QB"
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....and only shows up to play once every 5 years.

 
Here is a side by side comparison from the last full season from each player.

Not a huge sample, but a somewhat recent sample.

Bradford 2012 vs Foles 2013

Total passing yards - advantage Bradford

Completion percentage advantage Foles

Passing TDs - advantage Foles

Passing INTs - advantage Foles

Yards per passing attempt - advantage Foles

QB rushing yards advantage Foles

Overall QB rating advantage Foles

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradSa00/gamelog/2012/#stats

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00/gamelog/2013/

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Donnybrook said:
Rich Eisen ‏@richeisen

Believe Rams keep the 2 if this happens RT @SephDarkheart: @richeisen doesnt matter. bradford just pawn to move up the board to get Mariota
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Well this doesn't bode well for my operation Mariota theory.
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The second isn't conditional, don't think that is in question any more. It has been asked what if Bradford is traded, in which case I guessed the Rams would no longer have to part with the conditional fourth or third?

 
Bob Magaw said:
Donnybrook said:
Rich Eisen ‏@richeisen

Believe Rams keep the 2 if this happens RT @SephDarkheart: @richeisen doesnt matter. bradford just pawn to move up the board to get Mariota
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Well this doesn't bode well for my operation Mariota theory.
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The second isn't conditional, don't think that is in question any more. It has been asked what if Bradford is traded, in which case I guessed the Rams would no longer have to part with the conditional fourth or third?
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Got ya. I realized that Rich's answer wasn't helpful at all seconds after I posted it. My bad

 
cstu said:
Bradford, 1.20 and 2016 1st for Mariota?
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Is that enough to go to 2?...as IMO, that's the only place where you'd feel comfortable to get MM?

Chip likes Bradford over Foles and thinks that the league (or at least the top teams in the draft) feels the same. He makes the move and has a gentlemen's agreement with NYJ to move Bradford, 1.20 and 2016 1 for 1.6 if MM falls. If that happens...he's happy. If it doesn't (someone reaches or trades over him).....he's fine with Bradford. That's what makes the most sense because it's the simpliest.

 
Hang 10 said:
Why would a team want to give up a top 10 pick for gimpy Bradford and his bloated contract? I think Foles would have been better trade bait. I'm guessing chip's plan is to go into this season with Bradford as his starter.
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If so, none of this makes sense.
 
Thunderlips said:
cstu said:
Bradford, 1.20 and 2016 1st for Mariota?
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Is that enough to go to 2?...as IMO, that's the only place where you'd feel comfortable to get MM?

Chip likes Bradford over Foles and thinks that the league (or at least the top teams in the draft) feels the same. He makes the move and has a gentlemen's agreement with NYJ to move Bradford, 1.20 and 2016 1 for 1.6 if MM falls. If that happens...he's happy. If it doesn't (someone reaches or trades over him).....he's fine with Bradford. That's what makes the most sense because it's the simpliest.
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Makes sense (in general - not sure about draft pick compensation particulars). No guarantee they would get Mariota at 1.6. Peter King noted multiple teams were interested in Bradford.

 
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Thunderlips said:
cstu said:
Bradford, 1.20 and 2016 1st for Mariota?
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Is that enough to go to 2?...as IMO, that's the only place where you'd feel comfortable to get MM?

Chip likes Bradford over Foles and thinks that the league (or at least the top teams in the draft) feels the same. He makes the move and has a gentlemen's agreement with NYJ to move Bradford, 1.20 and 2016 1 for 1.6 if MM falls. If that happens...he's happy. If it doesn't (someone reaches or trades over him).....he's fine with Bradford. That's what makes the most sense because it's the simpliest.
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All depends on whether the Titans want Bradford more than Mariota (I for one don't believe Mett is the answer).

 
ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo · 2h 2 hours ago

Best Record as Starter- Last 2 Seasons Russell Wilson 25-7 .781 Peyton Manning 25-7 .781 Nick Foles 14-4 .778

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ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo · 3h 3 hours ago

Worst Total QBR- Since start of 2010 Chad Henne 36.9 Mark Sanchez 40.4 Sam Bradford 40.7

 
I don't think Bradford will be a good fit for the Eagles, but I would like to see what he can perform with an OC that is actually competent. I simply don't understand how Brian Shottenheimer keeps getting OC jobs. Now the Georgia Bulldogs get to suffer for a few more years.

 
What happens when they move up to #2 and Tampa takes Mariotta? If PHI is willing to give Bradford/1.20/2016 1st for the #2 pick I would take that in a heartbeat if I was TEN. Although I am not a huge fan of either QB.

 
The trade up for Mariota involving Bradford makes no sense. At all. It's 6 weeks before the draft, the only team that would make sense is the Bucs. Otherwise, Chip has no idea if he'll be there or not.

 
Tool said:
massraider said:
The trade up for Mariota involving Bradford makes no sense. At all. It's 6 weeks before the draft, the only team that would make sense is the Bucs. Otherwise, Chip has no idea if he'll be there or not.
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bucs are taking winston.
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Fine. The question that is obvious: Then why wouldn't the Rams just trade with whoever wanted Bradford? Because they wanted Foles over Mariota? That doesn't seem right to me.

 
I know I am likely in the minority, but I think Bradford is better than Foles. The Colorado Rockies analogy is a good one. Bradford on PHI will be fine. I suspect Foles on the Rams is going to be awful.

 
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