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Samaje Perine vs Carson Steele (1 Viewer)

Samaje Perine or Carson Steele?

  • Samaje Perine

    Votes: 71 44.4%
  • Carson Steele

    Votes: 89 55.6%

  • Total voters
    160
They have *much* higher floors, but very much disagree with the similar ceilings. It's nowhere close IMO.
Nowhere close to Steele? With Perine, Hunt and in 7-8 weeks Pacheco in the mix?

I don’t see Steele’s ceiling as being particularly high I guess.
no. its not super high.

but i think his floor is decent.

depending on matchup he is likely good for 50-80 yards and possibly a TD.

I've watched a fair bit of tape on him. He reminds me of Brandon Jacobs from the Giants way back when. big, tall, physical guy. not super fast, but tough to bring down.

he looks like hes good at following his blocks. and hes super tall and nearly always falls forward. so even if he only gets two yards, he will fall forward for one or two more. He has a straight arm that reminds me of Henry. obviously hes not as fast as Henry but behind a good line, that is not as important. He WILL wear down a defense.

what he wont do is catch passes. (unless there is a skillset here I have not seen)

I dont know how well he blocks, but as a big guy I suspect that part is at least okay. hes big enough to be a lineman.

as a Pacheco owner if he can plug in and get 50 yards and a TD (or 70 yards with no TD) hes good enough to hold the fort until Pacheco gets back. Hes not gonna light the world on fire. but he could be a TD machine at the goal line if Reid lets him.

I think he maxes out at a low end RB2 if the matchup is right. but more likely hes a high end RB3 until Pacheco returns or he loses his job to Hunt.
I certainly wouldn’t be brave enough to start him this week in the league I have him (and lost Pacheco) unless Reid comes out and says he’s the man.

What he actually said was Hunt might play this week, so that’s not inspiring confidence.

I see it as a TBD.
 
He’s no Jordan Mason that’s for sure!
Mason has virtually no competition for touches, while Steele seemingly has lots.

:shrug:
True. I’m talking about the talent because he was comparing him to great rbs. I would rather have Braelon Allen than Carson Steele ROS because at this point I have to see him get all the touches. I think Perrine has a larger role than most realize.
 
Sounds like Reid loves Perrine and thinks he’s more than just a receiving specialist.


Head coach Andy Reid was quick to remember what Perine has done against his squad when asked about what the 28-year-old brings to the Chiefs' backfield.

"We all know what he did to us when he was at Cincinnati with that screen play, but Samaje's done this over his career, where he's been a phenomenal third-down back, but he's also a good runner," Reid told reporters on Friday. "I think that you know that he's really a good person. I mean, that word has traveled around the National Football League on what kind of guy he is, a locker room guy, and so on. We welcome that, but the opportunity to have a guy in here that can do the run game and the pass game, I just think he's a good, well-rounded football player that's extremely intelligent, that is a great addition that (general manager) Brett (Veach) added to the team."
 
what he wont do is catch passes. (unless there is a skillset here I have not seen)

He caught the ball just fine in the Bruin games I saw.
well, clearly they have not been using him in this way. (not yet anyways) but if hes getting significant play, they likely will start

I haven't planted my flag as a lot of it is based on me believing nobody knows what they're talking about, but I think a lot of people thinking Perine is the automatic guy on 3rd down will be scratching their heads on Monday.
 
what he wont do is catch passes. (unless there is a skillset here I have not seen)

He caught the ball just fine in the Bruin games I saw.
well, clearly they have not been using him in this way. (not yet anyways) but if hes getting significant play, they likely will start

I haven't planted my flag as a lot of it is based on me believing nobody knows what they're talking about, but I think a lot of people thinking Perine is the automatic guy on 3rd down will be scratching their heads on Monday.
Same could be said about 1st and 2nd down. I think the Steele owners will be the ones scratching their heads.
 
what he wont do is catch passes. (unless there is a skillset here I have not seen)

He caught the ball just fine in the Bruin games I saw.
well, clearly they have not been using him in this way. (not yet anyways) but if hes getting significant play, they likely will start

I haven't planted my flag as a lot of it is based on me believing nobody knows what they're talking about, but I think a lot of people thinking Perine is the automatic guy on 3rd down will be scratching their heads on Monday.
Same could be said about 1st and 2nd down. I think the Steele owners will be the ones scratching their heads.

Absolutely, everyone except those who said stay away will probably be scratching/shaking their heads in unison.
 
I lean Steele, but wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Perine or Hunt or Ingram or RBBBC. None of us knows, not even Walrus, IMO. Very fluid situation. In one league I am rostering Steele and Ingram in another Perine and Hunt. But again, of all of them I lean Steele, for now, all considered.

Tell you what tho, that talk by Andy about Pacheco possibly being out all season is making this all the more intriguing.
 
The Chiefs will pick the one that pass blocks for Mahomes the best. I’m sure they can all tote the rock in a similar enough fashion.
 
Carson Steele ran a 4.75-second 40-yard dash
And?

There are multiple RB’s with similar 40 times but how many play for KC offense??
It's the slowest 40 time for an NFL running back ever.


Code:
2002     Dicenzo Miller      RB     4.93
2000     Destry Wright      RB     4.84
2014     Jerome Smith      RB     4.84
2004     Duron Croson      RB     4.83
2011     John Clay      RB     4.83
2015     Kenny Hilliard      RB     4.83
2018     Dimitri Flowers      RB     4.83
2014     Antonio Andrews      RB     4.82
2000     Darren Davis      RB     4.81
2002     Joe Burns      RB     4.81
2008     Yvenson Bernard      RB     4.81
2015     David Cobb      RB     4.81
2013     Ray Graham      RB     4.8
2013     Robbie Rouse      RB     4.8
2015     Jahwan Edwards      RB     4.8
2015     Dee Hart      RB     4.8
2000     Rashon Spikes      RB     4.78
2005     Maurice Clarett      RB     4.78
2018     Donnie Ernsberger      RB     4.78
2019     Elijah Holyfield      RB     4.78
2021     Sandon McCoy      RB     4.78
2007     Nate Ilaoa      RB     4.77
2007     Gary Russell      RB     4.77
2011     Matt Asiata      RB     4.77
2001     Corey Crume      RB     4.76
2002     Ennis Haywood      RB     4.76
2013     Stepfan Taylor      RB     4.76
2017     Devine Redding      RB     4.76
2004     Cedric Cobbs      RB     4.75
2007     Kenneth Darby      RB     4.75
2007     Tyrone Moss      RB     4.75
2013     George Winn      RB     4.75
2014     Tim Flanders      RB     4.75
2016     Shadrach Thornton      RB     4.75
2020     Benny LeMay      RB     4.75
 
There may be reasons some people aren't bullish on Steele but his 40 time shouldn't be one of them. Did Jerry Rice suffer from a very slow 40 time for a WR? I'd argue vision, power, footwork, and tenacity are all more important that just 40 time. We've seen lots of track guys try to play RB in the NFL and that never works. He doesn't have to worry about running past guys if he runs OVER guys. ;)
 
There may be reasons some people aren't bullish on Steele but his 40 time shouldn't be one of them. Did Jerry Rice suffer from a very slow 40 time for a WR? I'd argue vision, power, footwork, and tenacity are all more important that just 40 time. We've seen lots of track guys try to play RB in the NFL and that never works. He doesn't have to worry about running past guys if he runs OVER guys. ;)
First, I wouldn't bring up Jerry Rice in the discussion, but no one knows how this will shake out. My opinion is that I would be hard pressed to start any of them initially, but that could change. If I could get a 2025 2nd round pick for any of the them I would jump on it.
 
Steele claimed in my waiver run last night but both Perine and Hunt still available. I guess most people just don't really know what to do with this situation.
 
Weird to mention his 40 time when Perine and Hunt also ran slow 40s.
the 40 time is only an indicator of a players ability to break a long run. I would guess 90% of the carries dont make it into the secondary.

the super fast 40 time does you no good if you cant break through the line. There are plenty of fast RB that couldnt get it done because of this.

the guy who can read and follow the blocking is (in many respects) more valuable than the guy who is fast but cannot read and follow the blocking.

That said, there are plenty of guys with talent that crashed and burned at the NFL level because they couldnt (or wouldnt) read and follow their blocking. so it is a thing.
 
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Carson Steele ran a 4.75-second 40-yard dash
And?

There are multiple RB’s with similar 40 times but how many play for KC offense??
It's the slowest 40 time for an NFL running back ever.
So if you want to look at times.
Off the top of my head….

LAR Kyren Williams ran 4.65
He is all of 194 lbs
This was considered bad for his size
But he was productive 2023

Steele is 228 lb and ran 4.75
At the time he was considered a Full Back
He runs through tackles.
Compare his times to other 225+ lb runners
 
Carson Steele ran a 4.75-second 40-yard dash
And?

There are multiple RB’s with similar 40 times but how many play for KC offense??
It's the slowest 40 time for an NFL running back ever.
So if you want to look at times.
Off the top of my head….

LAR Kyren Williams ran 4.65
He is all of 194 lbs
This was considered bad for his size
But he was productive 2023

Steele is 228 lb and ran 4.75
At the time he was considered a Full Back
He runs through tackles.
Compare his times to other 225+ lb runners
I grabbed him for 30 percent of my FAAB in a 14 teamer because I went WR heavy early and my RBs suck. Expectations aren't high but if he starts on Sunday, I'm putting him in. Worth a shot in that offense.
 
2002 Dicenzo Miller RB 4.93 2000 Destry Wright RB 4.84 2014 Jerome Smith RB 4.84 2004 Duron Croson RB 4.83 2011 John Clay RB 4.83 2015 Kenny Hilliard RB 4.83 2018 Dimitri Flowers RB 4.83 2014 Antonio Andrews RB 4.82 2000 Darren Davis RB 4.81 2002 Joe Burns RB 4.81 2008 Yvenson Bernard RB 4.81 2015 David Cobb RB 4.81 2013 Ray Graham RB 4.8 2013 Robbie Rouse RB 4.8 2015 Jahwan Edwards RB 4.8 2015 Dee Hart RB 4.8 2000 Rashon Spikes RB 4.78 2005 Maurice Clarett RB 4.78 2018 Donnie Ernsberger RB 4.78 2019 Elijah Holyfield RB 4.78 2021 Sandon McCoy RB 4.78 2007 Nate Ilaoa RB 4.77 2007 Gary Russell RB 4.77 2011 Matt Asiata RB 4.77 2001 Corey Crume RB 4.76 2002 Ennis Haywood RB 4.76 2013 Stepfan Taylor RB 4.76 2017 Devine Redding RB 4.76 2004 Cedric Cobbs RB 4.75 2007 Kenneth Darby RB 4.75 2007 Tyrone Moss RB 4.75 2013 George Winn RB 4.75 2014 Tim Flanders RB 4.75 2016 Shadrach Thornton RB 4.75 2020 Benny LeMay RB 4.75
Is it insignificant that of the 35 slowest RBs ever, of which Steele was tied for slowest of all, the most famous guy is known for his dad's boxing prowess. There isn't a RB1 or even 2 for any length of time among the whole bunch. Power is good, but without some speed it's unlikely that a guy can be an NFL player, let alone fantasy relevant.
 
What is Andy Reid's history of playing rookies?
CEH played as a rookie.
That’s all I got off top of my head
Kareem Hunt did and played well. CEH was never good. Damien Williams took over for CEH and looked much better.
Didn’t Pacheco play as a rookie in 2022 when CEH got hurt or is my memory getting really bad?
Yeah I think he took over towards the end of his rookie season. I was super high on him that year but one of my league mates nabbed him before me at the end of the draft.
 
Chiefs have just enough mediocre RBS to make all them worthless. Imo
I think this is true for this game. Steele, Perine and Ingram will all get a chance to carry the rock. Once Hunt is up to speed I think Hunt gets the first crack to see if he has any juice left.
 
What is interesting in this Poll was how early it was 60/40 Perine as the favorite.
Lately it is more Steele as the favorite 56/44

What changed?
Some basic Perspectives? No new data was available but maybe some "posted arguments" or old / preseason Coach Speak links?
 
Sounds like Reid loves Perrine and thinks he’s more than just a receiving specialist.
Coaches always talk up their players. This shouldn't change anyone's mind on whether or not Perrine is good or not

Plus it was quotes from when they signed him, not recent. Like the coach is gonna sign someone and them bad mouth then. Completely irrelevant to this discussion.
 
What is interesting in this Poll was how early it was 60/40 Perine as the favorite.
Lately it is more Steele as the favorite 56/44

What changed?
Some basic Perspectives? No new data was available but maybe some "posted arguments" or old / preseason Coach Speak links?

Idk, maybe FBGs voting early are plugged into Lammy? I haven't listened to them in forever but assuming he's all over him since he used to be a Bronco.

Most other talking heads are recommending Steele as the pick up.
 
I've watched a fair bit of tape on him. He reminds me of Brandon Jacobs from the Giants way back when. big, tall, physical guy. not super fast, but tough to bring down.
I think you might be thinking of something else. Steele is nothing like Jacobs size wise. Steele is not tall (6') and is 35 lbs lighter than Jacobs. Jacobs was 6'4" and 265 lbs. These aren't that same type guys.
 
I've watched a fair bit of tape on him. He reminds me of Brandon Jacobs from the Giants way back when. big, tall, physical guy. not super fast, but tough to bring down.
I think you might be thinking of something else. Steele is nothing like Jacobs size wise. Steele is not tall (6') and is 35 lbs lighter than Jacobs. Jacobs was 6'4" and 265 lbs. These aren't that same type guys.

Better comp IMO is a former Chief from the Vermeil era... Larry Johnson.
 

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