Say Goodbye Mangini (1 Viewer)

[Workhorse]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

In terms of statistical performance and actual W/L record, you'd be hard pressed to say that Mangini's tenure was any better than Herm Edwards as HC of the NYJ.

 

[TLEF316]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

Its not the record. Its the way the record came about. Yeah, we went 9-7 this year. But after an 8-3 start with 5 games remaining (@Sea, @SF, Buf, Den, Mia) they should have won the division. It was a massive collapse and the blame for it falls on Favre and the coaching staff. Even with Favre's poor play (and it was very poor, any respectable defensive game plan would have won the 2 games necessary for the jets to make the playoffs. Instead, Mangini, for some reason, decided to play a 3-8 defense, dropping his mediocre secondary and LB's into a soft D that allowed 5 mediocre QB's to pick them to pieces. Only **** Jauron's inexcusable brain fart kept the jets from the 0-5 finish that they deserved. The bottom line is that Mangini and Sutton's "game planning" destroyed this defense. He's got David Harris and Calvin Pace chasing Slot WR's and RB's around in coverage while Ellis, Coleman and Jenkins played a constant game of 3 vs 5 on the line. At one point a few weeks ago, my grandmother was over when the game is on. She actually said "Travis.....why do the Jets have so few people going after the QB? He's just standing there." That was my 85 year old Polish Grandmother. Enough said.

 

[Shrek]

I'm anxious now...This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher ORHORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

I hope this was a proactive move to pursue Cowher. If they pretty much knew they wanted to do this, no sense in waffling. Get it done and go after the guy you want.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

I agree there are worse options, in fact, I would be really surprised if McDaniels doesn't get a HC offer this year. My point was that it would be a bad idea for the Jets specifically. Getting out from under the Patriots umbrella makes sense here IMHO.As an aside, while you were describing Mangini's accomplishments, it reminded me of Pete Carroll. In three seasons with the Patriots, he won 27 regular season games, won a division title, won a playoff game, and was poached [ironically] from the Jets. Yet, he was dismissed as a "bad coach" and the Pats brought in someone by the name of Bill Belichick to coach in 2000. Makes you wonder...

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

I'm not sure I agree here good buddy. In the sense of we don't know what else Mangini has going on we don't get to see. Do the players hate him? Did he lose the team? To be clear, I'm not saying I think any of that is the case. But it's possible, and we wouldn't know either way. I does seem clear that he and Favre weren't compatible. And if the Jets feel having Favre back is more important [for business and football reasons] than Mangini, well then that's their decision to make.Again, i don't personally think Mangini 'deserved' to be fired, but I can't honestly say it was a huge mistake either.You could've made a credible argument for firing Andy Reid [in fact most Eagles fans rooted for it] before this win this week. You could make a case for firing Mike Shanahan after that swan dive, Wade Phillips seems likely to be fired or at least a lot of folks are lobbying for it. Are any of these the RIGHT decisions? That all really comes down to whether their NEXT hire is a good one.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.

I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

I agree - And I never saw this coming - I thought with a HC with 2 of 3 winning seasons and honestly, the past 3 years had a TON of change over, that you change the coordinators.I thought a new DC would come in and they would continue to roll with what I think is a decent cast of players other than the QB spot.

Sounds like Spagnoli with the Giants is going to be a top choice.

They're talking on the radio now about the GM and Owner saying they want Favre back - Maybe that's just talk but - What about Holmgren...LOL

I'd be shocked if they went this way. I LOVE Spags, but he would be wise to hop on a gig this year, as I think a bloom is already off his rose a bit. But to stay in NY, I think the Jets need a culture removed from Pats-Giants regional garage sale-ism. I think Parcells was someone they couldn't pass on in 97, but I really would look well outside their universe for a culture shock. Spags shouldn't look to get in this situation either. Get a 5 year deal outside of NY where you can take some lumps and not feel it.

Lets not forget, with Thomas Jones and Faneca and some of the other cap money next year, this is still somehow, amazingly a bit of a win now team. Favre is the wrinkle because its hard to see ANY 40 year old QB taking a team to the bowl, but I really think they need him back health pending.

That said, would there be any value in going with, dare I say, dare I think it, Holmgren on a 3 year deal?

 

[TLEF316]

isnt Spagnola a 4-3 guy? After spending 3 years moving away from that (and dumping Vilma in the process) I dont think we can go back. Harris is a poor fit as a MLB. Not enough sideline to sideline speed.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

Herm Edwards made the playoffs three of his five years with the Jets; going there once in three years isn't a step forward.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

In terms of statistical performance and actual W/L record, you'd be hard pressed to say that Mangini's tenure was any better than Herm Edwards as HC of the NYJ.

Both stunk.

 

[Workhorse]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

In terms of statistical performance and actual W/L record, you'd be hard pressed to say that Mangini's tenure was any better than Herm Edwards as HC of the NYJ.

Both stunk.

Agreed.

 

[Chase Stuart]

isnt Spagnola a 4-3 guy? After spending 3 years moving away from that (and dumping Vilma in the process) I dont think we can go back. Harris is a poor fit as a MLB. Not enough sideline to sideline speed.

Jets must get a 3-4 coach. Cowher's going to be the guy. Or maybe Schottenheimer, and he can bring in Kurt to run the defense to complete the family triangle.

 

[Kiddnets]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

No way this is a "ridiculous" firing - the guy was 8-3 with a cake schedule and without the Buffalo gift he went 0-5 down the stretch. No injuries, same talent that went 8-3 and were world beaters. The coaching was bush league down the stretch - he went away from everything they were doing right and went into a Herm like shell. I honestly think the firing was more for PSL's than for his performance but to say it was a ridiculous firing is just not true.

 

[Desert_Power]

Couldn't be about Favre huh? Worlds are colliding!

They invested in Favre...maybe they asked Favre if he would come back if they got another coach and he said that it was possible. I don't know if their relationship was good/bad, but it is possible.

You may be right.

The fine folks at FOX have asked me to throw myself into Favre mode once again and break down what the evidence points to. Favre earlier in the week indicated he would address his future possibly next week, but admitted his shoulder will play a role in his decision-making process. However, his shoulder is just one of the reasons most of those polled on the Jets believe this really is finally it for Favre.

The other reason? Happiness, or lack thereof. According to several people close to Favre, the legendary quarterback has not enjoyed many aspects of playing for the tough Eric Mangini. According to the sources, there are several areas that have not sat well with Favre including team meetings, quizzes and getting called on the carpet for his decision-making on the field.

Let's explain. Favre, who long had a great relationship with head coaches in Green Bay, was rarely called on the carpet with the Packers, especially in front of the team. With the Jets, however, the sources say that Favre has been called to what they dub "the principal's office" and grilled about making bad throws that turned into interceptions. Those same sources say this is not just done in private. Mangini will also grill Favre about his throws in front of the team, just like everybody else.

For a guy who for all intents and purposes earned the right to be treated like a king in Green Bay and treated with a certain respect not bestowed upon others, this approach must be quite the awkward awakening. In Green Bay, Favre had his own locker room area to dress, an office area among other perks. He certainly wasn't called out.

In addition, there have been grumblings about how often the Jets have to meet. Many players privately take issue with how many meetings they have under Mangini.

But the kicker that wears on Favre and others are little impromptu quizzes that Mangini often hits his players with during the week. Mangini will call guys out and ask them personnel questions about their opponents. Usually that's OK, but the difference here is that Mangini will ask offensive players who opposing offensive players are and if guys, including Favre, do not have the correct answer those players also get called out in front of the team.

 

[Desert_Power]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

No way this is a "ridiculous" firing - the guy was 8-3 with a cake schedule and without the Buffalo gift he went 0-5 down the stretch. No injuries, same talent that went 8-3 and were world beaters. The coaching was bush league down the stretch - he went away from everything they were doing right and went into a Herm like shell. I honestly think the firing was more for PSL's than for his performance but to say it was a ridiculous firing is just not true.

Favre had 9 INTs over that stretch, that is difficult for any team to overcome.

 

[Kiddnets]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

No way this is a "ridiculous" firing - the guy was 8-3 with a cake schedule and without the Buffalo gift he went 0-5 down the stretch. No injuries, same talent that went 8-3 and were world beaters. The coaching was bush league down the stretch - he went away from everything they were doing right and went into a Herm like shell. I honestly think the firing was more for PSL's than for his performance but to say it was a ridiculous firing is just not true.

Favre had 9 INTs over that stretch, that is difficult for any team to overcome.

If you look at Favre's play it was awful but the playcalling was a factor - 4th and 1 and he has Baker running a 30 yd route with no other options; 4th and 2 and he calls for 3 deep patterns; 3 and 8 and he calls for a 2 yd pass - even with Brett's lousy play they should have been able to win 2 or 3 of those games just by running the ball - TJ was having his best season and Mangini went away from the run way too quick. That's just the offense - dont even want to talk about the 3 man 7 mississippi rush or the blitzes that start in the tunnel.

 

[nerangers]

Figured keeping the Patriots out of the playoffs would buy him another year!

Not so sure he should have been fired. He did improve the team from 4-12 to 9-7.

 

[Jason Wood]

Figured keeping the Patriots out of the playoffs would buy him another year!

Not so sure he should have been fired. He did improve the team from 4-12 to 9-7.

Mangini was in control the prior year, too, that variable was constant from 2007 to 2008. It was other variables [healthy, SOS, personnel] that were larger factors in the W-L delta.

 

[jwb]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

No way this is a "ridiculous" firing - the guy was 8-3 with a cake schedule and without the Buffalo gift he went 0-5 down the stretch. No injuries, same talent that went 8-3 and were world beaters. The coaching was bush league down the stretch - he went away from everything they were doing right and went into a Herm like shell. I honestly think the firing was more for PSL's than for his performance but to say it was a ridiculous firing is just not true.

Agree that it's not a ridiculous firing.Fairly big fan who follows the team closely... I'm juiced about the firing. While he had two winning seasons out of three, it just never felt right around here. I mean, if you crack the whip enough, you'll get some productivity out of almost anyone. There's a way to be tough without being overbearing, and he can't do it. From what I can tell, he alienates everyone, and not in a "he's tough but fair" way that could probably be used to describe Parcells, Cowher, etc. Mangini essentially makes everyone around him uneasy, all the time. To use a cliche', there's probably not one guy in that locker room that would run through the wall for him.

I'm all for competition, but there's a point where the "nobody's job is safe" gets ridiculous, and Mangini's way is firmly in the ridiculous way of doing it. From Chad last year to the players this year (especially in the secondary) complaining that they never knew who was going to start where, even late in the season.

Could he have grown into it? Maybe. But, happily, we won't get to find out in NY

 

[Rovers]

I'm only surprised that it was announced so soon.

1. Mangini started playing so passively on defense after the Titans game, it was truely a "play not to lose" approach. Even before that, he almost gave away the NE game with this no pass rush, bend over so far as to be looking thru his own legs defensive strategy.

2. Ownership got Mangini every FA he wanted, including Favre. Combined with NE losing Brady, and a team that won ONE game last year beating them in week 17, at home with the QB Mangini fired.... ONLY a playoff appearance was going to be good enough. Remember too that Mangini got rid of the two faces (and leaders) of this franchise... Vilma and Pennington. In retrospect, I have to wonder if Mangini felt threatened by these two... and maybe why he did what he could to undemine Favre in front of the team?

3. The "last straw". Mangini admitted he spent part of the practice week before the Seattle game preparing for Miami so he and the team could take the holidays off.

Lastly, yes, the whole PSL thing played a part in this. The NFL is all about the $. This is nothing new, and should not come as a surprise.

This franchise has a "losing aura" about it even when they win. Same old Jets. Ever heard that one? Even at 8-3, with a VERY soft schedule, this team completely collapsed. Losing is engrained in the culture of this team. This is a win NOW league. Mangini's legacy is yet another Jets collapse. I think this firing can only help, and I can't see how it could hurt a whole lot. Third place in the division is just not good enough, especially when they were in total control of the division just 5 short weeks ago. They let Edwards stay too long... at least they did not sit on their hands this time.

 

[-baller]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.

I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

 

[Kiddnets]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

LOL at NE fans calling Mangina a snake while the slimiest slimeball that ever coached in the NFL patrols their sidelines! Glad we could give you Pats fans a taste of what being a Jet fan feels like!

 

[Chase Stuart]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

 

[-baller]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.

I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

I know I'm not debating it.

 

[Rovers]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

Please don't quote this ... um... er... poster. It defeats the ignore list feature. TIA.

 

[Popinski]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

I'm not a Jet fan, but being in NYC I obviously hear a lot about the team. Seems like there are plenty of people both inside and outside the organization who feel like he has already reached his peak as a coach.

 

[greenline]

I hope Mangini found that 23-25 record worth burning every bridge he ever had.

 

[Workhorse]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

The whole "my (ex)coach is more moral than your coach" debate is fascinating. Truly. However, I usually judge coaches by their winning percentage.And on that note, this seems like as good of a place as any to point this out:Belichick's record with the Patriots, Pre-Spygate (including playoffs): 104-40 (72.2 Winning Percentage)Belichick's record with the Patriots, Post-Spygate (including playoffs): 28-6 (82.4 Winning Percentage)

 

[Serenity Now]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

Yeah, because Mangini clearly had NO part in it while he worked under Belichick. And he certainly didn't try to interfere with Pats players and personnel on his way out the door or anything like that. Nah.

 

[scott72]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.

I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

I know I'm not debating it.

Maybe you're not debating it, but if you're a Pats fan and you're calling someone else's coach (or ex-coach) a snake, then that's a little hypocritical don't you think? That's like me being a Raiders fan and then going off and claiming Jerry Jones gets what he deserves because he doesn't know how to run an NFL team.

 

[scott72]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

The whole "my (ex)coach is more moral than your coach" debate is fascinating. Truly. However, I usually judge coaches by their winning percentage.And on that note, this seems like as good of a place as any to point this out:Belichick's record with the Patriots, Pre-Spygate (including playoffs): 104-40 (72.2 Winning Percentage)Belichick's record with the Patriots, Post-Spygate (including playoffs): 28-6 (82.4 Winning Percentage)

The numbers are meaningless due to free agency and differing schedules from year to year. I don't think many fans would deny BB's a great coach, but it's his methods that raise some eyebrows at times.

 

[sheerterror]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.

I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

I know I'm not debating it.

Maybe you're not debating it, but if you're a Pats fan and you're calling someone else's coach (or ex-coach) a snake, then that's a little hypocritical don't you think? That's like me being a Raiders fan and then going off and claiming Jerry Jones gets what he deserves because he doesn't know how to run an NFL team.

 

[Shrek]

I see the usual list of Patools have fouled up another thread. They're like Jehovah's Witnesses or Moonies, people. If you ignore them, they blankly stare at you for awhile then go away. They're just pissed that the Jets didn't help them back into the playoffs.

 

[-baller]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.

I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

I know I'm not debating it.

Maybe you're not debating it, but if you're a Pats fan and you're calling someone else's coach (or ex-coach) a snake, then that's a little hypocritical don't you think?

no.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I see the usual list of Patools have fouled up another thread. They're like Jehovah's Witnesses or Moonies, people. If you ignore them, they blankly stare at you for awhile then go away. They're just pissed that the Jets didn't help them back into the playoffs.

Bill the Butcher taking the high road again...

 

[Serenity Now]

I see the usual list of Jetools have fouled up another thread. They're like Jehovah's Witnesses or Moonies, people. If you ignore them, they blankly stare at you for awhile then go away. They're just pissed that the Jets make it into the playoffs.

 

[sheerterror]

I see the usual list of Jetools have fouled up another thread. They're like Jehovah's Witnesses or Moonies, people. If you ignore them, they blankly stare at you for awhile then go away. They're just pissed that the Jets make it into the playoffs.

Quality editing job...

 

[Balco]

I hope Mangini found that 23-25 record worth burning every bridge he ever had.

<_< I am sure he will not find another coaching gig in some capacity. Bad firing by the Jets. A smart team is going to scoop him up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

More ridiculous than Schottenheimer in San Diego after going 13-3 during the season?

 

[NoFBinLA]

I hope Mangini found that 23-25 record worth burning every bridge he ever had.

I am sure he will not find another coaching gig in some capacity. Bad firing by the Jets. A smart team is going to scoop him up.

Does Cleveland count?As far as the firing - I can't say it's ridiculous but it will be if they promote Brian Schottenheimer as has been rumored here and there. Mangini was where the buck stopped but the offensive playcalling stunk the last few weeks and Schotty best not get a free pass much less a darn promotion.Mangini might have deserved another year as he had one very successful year, one stinker and one that ended in a good record but an epic collapse. But with PSLs for sale - and costing a ton for the blue collar folks who will be shelling out bucks in a down economy - Woody caved to talk show chatter a little too quick.

 

[DropKick]

karma's a #####, you ####### snake.

I'm peeing on my tv as bspn runs this story.

Just because Mangini has some more integrity than your coach doesn't mean you have to hate him. If you like rooting for a coach that cheats and wins, you have plenty of company. But I don't think there's any debate about who the snake is between Belichick and Mangini.

The whole "my (ex)coach is more moral than your coach" debate is fascinating. Truly. However, I usually judge coaches by their winning percentage.And on that note, this seems like as good of a place as any to point this out:

Belichick's record with the Patriots, Pre-Spygate (including playoffs): 104-40 (72.2 Winning Percentage)

Belichick's record with the Patriots, Post-Spygate (including playoffs): 28-6 (82.4 Winning Percentage)

The numbers are meaningless due to free agency and differing schedules from year to year. I don't think many fans would deny BB's a great coach, but it's his methods that raise some eyebrows at times.

As a Dolphin fan, I always felt Spygate was overblown.So a 29-6 record since "ooh you cheat Spygate" can be dismissed by free agency and schedules? What are they putting in the water in Green Bay?

 

[Kiddnets]

I hope Mangini found that 23-25 record worth burning every bridge he ever had.

I am sure he will not find another coaching gig in some capacity. Bad firing by the Jets. A smart team is going to scoop him up.

Does Cleveland count?As far as the firing - I can't say it's ridiculous but it will be if they promote Brian Schottenheimer as has been rumored here and there. Mangini was where the buck stopped but the offensive playcalling stunk the last few weeks and Schotty best not get a free pass much less a darn promotion.Mangini might have deserved another year as he had one very successful year, one stinker and one that ended in a good record but an epic collapse. But with PSLs for sale - and costing a ton for the blue collar folks who will be shelling out bucks in a down economy - Woody caved to talk show chatter a little too quick.

Woody is motivated by one thing - sell his PSLs - no way he hires Schotty - he's bringing in a name or he will have a tough time selling.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I hope Mangini found that 23-25 record worth burning every bridge he ever had.

I am sure he will not find another coaching gig in some capacity. Bad firing by the Jets. A smart team is going to scoop him up.

Does Cleveland count?As far as the firing - I can't say it's ridiculous but it will be if they promote Brian Schottenheimer as has been rumored here and there. Mangini was where the buck stopped but the offensive playcalling stunk the last few weeks and Schotty best not get a free pass much less a darn promotion.Mangini might have deserved another year as he had one very successful year, one stinker and one that ended in a good record but an epic collapse. But with PSLs for sale - and costing a ton for the blue collar folks who will be shelling out bucks in a down economy - Woody caved to talk show chatter a little too quick.

Woody is motivated by one thing - sell his PSLs - no way he hires Schotty - he's bringing in a name or he will have a tough time selling.

Hope you are right. But it almost sounds like Cowher is staying in the bullpen. we'll see about Schotty senior and any other luminaries out there.

 

[Reaper]

I hope Mangini found that 23-25 record worth burning every bridge he ever had.

I am sure he will not find another coaching gig in some capacity. Bad firing by the Jets. A smart team is going to scoop him up.

Does Cleveland count?As far as the firing - I can't say it's ridiculous but it will be if they promote Brian Schottenheimer as has been rumored here and there. Mangini was where the buck stopped but the offensive playcalling stunk the last few weeks and Schotty best not get a free pass much less a darn promotion.

Mangini might have deserved another year as he had one very successful year, one stinker and one that ended in a good record but an epic collapse. But with PSLs for sale - and costing a ton for the blue collar folks who will be shelling out bucks in a down economy - Woody caved to talk show chatter a little too quick.

Woody is motivated by one thing - sell his PSLs - no way he hires Schotty - he's bringing in a name or he will have a tough time selling.

Hope you are right. But it almost sounds like Cowher is staying in the bullpen. we'll see about Schotty senior and any other luminaries out there.

I don't know - He flat out didn't talk to some teams but, is willing to talk to the Jets???As I said early, I'd hope Woody has something up his sleeve to let go of a coach so soon... Sounds to me as if they're pulling what they did with Favre again with the hard sell and might have Chin locked up but, have to go thru the motions with the Rooney rule and all....

IF we wind up with Cowher, it'll all be worth it - losing, crashing, the Fins etc etc....

I know it's speculation but, I agree - Cowher seemed almost frustrated duing the year talking about the Jets as if he felt he could do a lot better with what they have....

Newsday

 

[Chemical X]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

This is a ridiculous post, but I'm glad you back it up with logic joe. Obviously, you know nothing about the history and future of this team and how this leads all decisions. Many of the same players from 06 remain on this team. Saying he took over a talentless squad is not so. He's not brought anything to this team, including coordinators, that makes him a keeper. He appears to be more suited for a college job. He's big on meetings, but seems ill suited in inspiring pros on a weekly basis. His decision making week in and week out has been brutal. Off the top of my head, I dont remember the Jets attempting a fake punt or fg this year to keep teams honest. The Seattle debacle and his decisions in that game were probably what got him fired. His decision to forego a 4th and 1/2 at the seattle 2 on the opening drive essentially doomed that game. it deflated me and i'm sure the players up and quit on him right then and there. then the ill fated 4th down try from his own 20 with 3 timeouts remaining. This team seemed to have an identity at 8-3. it ran well. but rather than game plan around t jones and l washington we saw favre jump passes, favre heaves and a general disregard for how this team had been successful in prior weeks. on a snowy field in seattle, why not some direct snaps or plays for brad smith?schottenheimer & sutton fall under mangini's watch. 10-6 & 9-7 are meaningless. the goal is to win the super bowl, nothing less. this team couldnt seem to make in game adjustments. make no mistake, this team lost its last 5 cause the buffalo game was an idiot jauron gift. at this point, with a new stadium and the need to sell psls, no way could woody go into next year off an epic collapse, given the anger of his fan base. the jets are very close to alienating its fan base for good. this year was nothing short of a disaster, especially watching our qb (pennington) play an almost mistake free season. so much so a disaster, that it has me actually rethinking buying the sunday ticket to watch the jets, cause i'm out of market.

 

[Reaper]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J

This is a ridiculous post, but I'm glad you back it up with logic joe. Obviously, you know nothing about the history and future of this team and how this leads all decisions. Many of the same players from 06 remain on this team. Saying he took over a talentless squad is not so. He's not brought anything to this team, including coordinators, that makes him a keeper. He appears to be more suited for a college job. He's big on meetings, but seems ill suited in inspiring pros on a weekly basis. His decision making week in and week out has been brutal. Off the top of my head, I dont remember the Jets attempting a fake punt or fg this year to keep teams honest. The Seattle debacle and his decisions in that game were probably what got him fired. His decision to forego a 4th and 1/2 at the seattle 2 on the opening drive essentially doomed that game. it deflated me and i'm sure the players up and quit on him right then and there. then the ill fated 4th down try from his own 20 with 3 timeouts remaining. This team seemed to have an identity at 8-3. it ran well. but rather than game plan around t jones and l washington we saw favre jump passes, favre heaves and a general disregard for how this team had been successful in prior weeks. on a snowy field in seattle, why not some direct snaps or plays for brad smith?schottenheimer & sutton fall under mangini's watch. 10-6 & 9-7 are meaningless. the goal is to win the super bowl, nothing less. this team couldnt seem to make in game adjustments. make no mistake, this team lost its last 5 cause the buffalo game was an idiot jauron gift. at this point, with a new stadium and the need to sell psls, no way could woody go into next year off an epic collapse, given the anger of his fan base. the jets are very close to alienating its fan base for good. this year was nothing short of a disaster, especially watching our qb (pennington) play an almost mistake free season. so much so a disaster, that it has me actually rethinking buying the sunday ticket to watch the jets, cause i'm out of market.

Well, IMO, that's one drastic perspective of it all... To me, it was still a 4-12 team with 1/3 new starters that tried to incorporate a QB within a few weeks that ws the polar opposite to what they were trying to build on offense and I'm not even sure if Mangini wanted to make that move - which in a way kinda stinks for him... I wouldn't call the team talentless that he took over but, the jets did have to make a lot of moves and decisions and IMO, the personell today is a lot better than 06' which is in one way a plus for Mangini since he made some decisions and yet in another a knock, being the coach with all these better players...But, yeah, COACHING was horrible those past 5 weeks and even earlier - the Oakland and KC games stick out was just mind boggling Bad offensive game plans - Then the passive Defensive calls late were unbelievable...To me, the writing would have been on the wall - Jobs were on the line - I would have blitzed All day, sent the house all day - Emptied the playbook and gone for broke like all these teams did against the Jets as if they had nothing to lose - THAT in the end is why Mangini is gone - No sense of urgency...I went from screaming at the TV to having heartburn for 5 weeks straight - Did Mangini?It still sounds to me though like Woody and Tanenbaum have something up their sleeve and if we wind up wit Bill Cowher, IMO, this whole season was worth it.....I didn't see the Mangini firing coming - IMO, he was good enough to get another shot and IMO, coaches should get 3 years to build and THEN given an ulitmatum BUT, I applaud the change and the fact that we won't have a lame duck situation and have to go through the motions - It's done and I don't think it's ridiculous at all - I probably could have gone either way but, I'm glad this is the road IF they hire the right guy....Also, while I'm at it, I just have to say, with all the bickering going on and such - It seems to me like there's about 15 Jets fans that post regularly that are IMO, some of the best, most respectful posters around. We take a lot of heat - being Jets fans, the NY media stuff, spy gate on and on - But, IMO, Jets fans are head and shoulders above much of this garbage and fishing trips and attempted humor we see around here... I could start a list but, I think we know who we are and what we have to deal with around here.CHEERS Jets fans!!!! Great Job - Interesting season. As Jets fans, we've seen a lot worse than all of this - IMO, this team will be competitive next year and has some pieces. I'll be optimistic heading into next year and I think Miami and NE have a lot of question marks as well. The Jets will be in the game next year.

 

[TLEF316]

ESPN claiming Cowher wont interview unless the Jets fire tannenbaum and let Cowher install his own personel guy. Ugh.

I'd rather get cowher, but Tanny hasnt done a bad job. Yeah, the favre thing didnt work out, but it was still a move we had to make. Tannembaum has hit some absolute grandslams on the middle rounds of the draft. Gholston is obviously looking pretty ugly so far, but its too early to judge.

Gun to my head, i think i'd fire Tannembaum if if meant getting cowher.

 

[Reaper]

ESPN claiming Cowher wont interview unless the Jets fire tannenbaum and let Cowher install his own personel guy. Ugh.I'd rather get cowher, but Tanny hasnt done a bad job. Yeah, the favre thing didnt work out, but it was still a move we had to make. Tannembaum has hit some absolute grandslams on the middle rounds of the draft. Gholston is obviously looking pretty ugly so far, but its too early to judge.Gun to my head, i think i'd fire Tannembaum if if meant getting cowher.

Tannenbaum should be a GM and let Cowher have last word on personel...Tannenbaum really was a bhind the scened Cap Guru anyway plying the role of a talent evaluator.I'd think if Woody told Tanny the options - Take a smaller role or be gone, he'd be happy to stay.

 

[TLEF316]

ESPN claiming Cowher wont interview unless the Jets fire tannenbaum and let Cowher install his own personel guy. Ugh.I'd rather get cowher, but Tanny hasnt done a bad job. Yeah, the favre thing didnt work out, but it was still a move we had to make. Tannembaum has hit some absolute grandslams on the middle rounds of the draft. Gholston is obviously looking pretty ugly so far, but its too early to judge.Gun to my head, i think i'd fire Tannembaum if if meant getting cowher.

Tannenbaum should be a GM and let Cowher have last word on personel...Tannenbaum really was a bhind the scened Cap Guru anyway plying the role of a talent evaluator.I'd think if Woody told Tanny the options - Take a smaller role or be gone, he'd be happy to stay.

thats the ideal situation. But if it comes down to Cowher vs. Tannenbaum, i'd take cowher.

 

[Jason Wood]

ESPN claiming Cowher wont interview unless the Jets fire tannenbaum and let Cowher install his own personel guy. Ugh.I'd rather get cowher, but Tanny hasnt done a bad job. Yeah, the favre thing didnt work out, but it was still a move we had to make. Tannembaum has hit some absolute grandslams on the middle rounds of the draft. Gholston is obviously looking pretty ugly so far, but its too early to judge.Gun to my head, i think i'd fire Tannembaum if if meant getting cowher.

I get that Cowher is considered the Holy Grail of coaching hires right now, but why would you hand over personnel decisions to him? He's got zero experience running a franchise; and adding those responsibilities to his plate means less focus on what we know he does well, coach.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Schefter could be wrong, but he is continually saying that Cowher has made it clear that he isn't going to coach in 2009. Of course he's going to be the hot name just because he's not coaching, but Adam Schefter is just about positive that Cowher is content in the studio right now.

What always gets lost in situations like this is that Schefter may be absolutely correct . . . but Cowher could change his mind. Cowher himself may have firmly believed that he didn't want to return to coaching, but when wooed by someone like Johnson may have decided that the opportunity is too good to pass up. You never know.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

How much of those wins over the last three years are attributable to Mangini versus a roster that has been restocked with talent?