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Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (1 Viewer)
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Mario Kart
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Belling broke this? It has not been officially proposed but if you listen to his third hour of his podcast, you can here it. About the 5:45 mark or so.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
its in the journal today. This will demonstrate exactly why I hate all politicians. He will probably still say no even though every concern he has expressed will be addressed.
Only possible reason why he would say no then? Money given to him personally.
Only possible reason why he would say no then? Money given to him personally.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Couldn't the state be sued if it goes back on its deal?
Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
I think he says no because of the letter he received from the Iowa GOP that stated it would be in his best interest to not approve the casino if he has intentions of running for president. It would be very interesting to see how this works, if he says no but over time is not selected to run for president or even if he does run for president but loses, how will the residents of Wisconsin react when he re-runs for Governor. If he does say no what will he use as his reasoning, Doyle's compact would no longer be used as a crutch.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Why would this affect his presidential run? Why do GOP people in Iowa care about this?
And how do the Potowatami get reimbursed?
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Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
As a part of the deal the Menomonie would cover the expected losses the Potowatomi would experience with a new casino in Kenosha, the state would not be on the hook for this.
As far as Iowa, the group stated they are against casinos, I am not sure if they are against casinos in thier own state, but ultimately they are stating they are against them and this conflicts with their beliefs. So supporting Walker in the Iowa caucas would not happen if this casion deal goes through.
snogger
Footballguy
So a tribe from Florida wants to come in and compete, and in essence, take money away from tribes in Wisconsin.. And this is a good thing
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I also think the white knight coming in from Florida, Jeb Bush country, out of nowhere is pretty oddly coincidental...So a tribe from Florida wants to come in and compete, and in essence, take money away from tribes in Wisconsin.. And this is a good thing
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The reports are that the new group would indemnify the state for losses in such a suit - as Fantasy_Freak states, any losses the state would incur would be "covered" by the Menomonie group. Its an interesting situation. The most amazing thing for me is that the citizens of southeastern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois apparently collectively have several hundreds of millions to lose gambling each year. It is amazing how profitable these businesses are.
Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
I agree with your statement, where is the money coming from to generate the business plan that has you paying all this millions of dollars. The other thing to keep in the back of your mind is that approximately 15 to 30 miles from this site is another casino (Harrah's) that has been approved in Waukegan, Illinois. So now you have another casino that would be skimming from your "customer base".
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
No chance Walker accepts this "Bribe" for the state. he would get crucified for it and any chance (slim as it may be) at a presidential run would be over.
He won't even give it a look
Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see how he plays this one though. He can't put this back on Doyle's compact seeing as the tribe is paying Potowatomi for income lost with the new casino, thus taking the state off the hook. When the casino was declined a few weeks ago Doyle's compact was listed as the main reason.
Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
Just heard on the radio, Governor's office turned down the offer from Menomonie tribe.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I hope you are not trying to defend this "bribe" from the Menomonee. This, if it was a serious offer, is the worst decision ever. Presidential run? He is the Governor of Wisconsin. He hasn't won anything yet at a higher level. His people must be terrible because the spin his people could have put on this in a positive way is huge. This spin... inconceivable.Mr.Pack said:
The possibility of losing each of these:
- Bucks owner/Kohl money for an arena
- New Arena
- The Milwaukee Bucks
- An expansion NHL team
- Jobs upon jobs upon jobs
- Kenosha development
- Tax revenue
Losing each of these with this decision is stupid. Presidential run? If he gets the nomination he won't even win Wisconsin. He lost my vote and I voted for him three times already.
snogger
Footballguy
to the thinking they are going to build a casino and give the state a golden goose at the sametime.. 
Mario Kart
Footballguy
That was the proposal, no? Did you not get the memo?
The Kerminator
Footballguy
The Seminoles were to be involved all along. It wasn't a secret. There were plenty of anti-casino ads run before Walker's decision criticizing this.SaintsInDome2006 said:I also think the white knight coming in from Florida, Jeb Bush country, out of nowhere is pretty oddly coincidental...snogger said:So a tribe from Florida wants to come in and compete, and in essence, take money away from tribes in Wisconsin.. And this is a good thingparasaurolophus said:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You are assuming that the increase of people coming from Illinois and the money that would be poured into building it wouldnt offset the profits that would make their way back to florida.snogger said:So a tribe from Florida wants to come in and compete, and in essence, take money away from tribes in Wisconsin.. And this is a good thingparasaurolophus said:
The estimated hit to Ho chunk was 16% the estimated hit to potawotomi was 22%. I find it hard to believe Florida is willing to pour all that money in just to take a tiny slice of Hochunk and poto's business.
you are also assuming they wont be able to turn right around and build south of our border which would be even worse. The number of people that come up from Illinois is already staggering. If they had to travel 45 minutes less there would be even more.
Hmmm, grammar is not my strong suit but is 'bribe' really the right word here? You don't bribe someone to allow you to exercise your liberties, rather the individual/group who is preventing you from exercising your liberties extorts you in exchange for allowing you to exercise your liberties.Mr.Pack said:
And why would Walker get crucified for 'approving' a casino? It seems like that would be an issue for the social conservative/ Santorum types, who are becoming more and more irrelevant for anything but fundraising.
snogger
Footballguy
When you up a previous offer to get something passed it is, by definition, a bribe:
Bribe:
1. money or any other valuable consideration given or promised with a view to corrupting the behavior of a person, especially in that person's performance as an athlete, public official, etc.:
2. anything given or serving to persuade or induce
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Or, in some cases, its called "good business."
There is always an exchange of something when it comes to agreements. So, I guess, every decision has a "bribe" factor to it, huh?
Walker screwed the pooch here big time.
There is always an exchange of something when it comes to agreements. So, I guess, every decision has a "bribe" factor to it, huh?
Walker screwed the pooch here big time.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don't think it's a "bribe" per say but it's sleazy in a Louisiana/Illinois/Jersey kind of way. And if the Potowotami are still not satisfied to the point they will still sue then basically the agreement is still being breached. I think WI folks should be careful of the casino trade or you will wake up one day to discover you've become more like the aforementioned states where politicians are bought and sold regularly.
snogger
Footballguy
agree to disagree.. even IF the Florida tribe promised to cover any loses to the Wisconsin tribes, it still doesn't mean the Wisconsin tribes wouldn't sue based on the pact signed by Doyle.
Now, IF the Florida tribe got the Wisconsin tribe(s) to sign off on a 100% guarantee they would NOT sue Wisconsin, then maybe things would change..
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
That's the nature of an indemnity - no one can prevent a third party from exercising its right to sue, but a party can agree to indemnify another for any claims made or lawsuits filed, including all costs and damages incurred. Personally, I can't claim to understand all the issues and politics involved in this and don't have a strong opinion on it, but I do think the use of the term "bribe" seems misplaced and perhaps chosen mainly to convey a negative association. A "bribe" in the classic sense infers something secret or some form of misconduct. It this case, at least as far as I understand it, the party is simply improving its offer after the first proposal was rejected.agree to disagree.. even IF the Florida tribe promised to cover any loses to the Wisconsin tribes, it still doesn't mean the Wisconsin tribes wouldn't sue based on the pact signed by Doyle.
Now, IF the Florida tribe got the Wisconsin tribe(s) to sign off on a 100% guarantee they would NOT sue Wisconsin, then maybe things would change..
snogger
Footballguy
Don't misconstrue my "Dictionary" response on the word "bribe" as meaning that I think this is/or isn't a bribe.. I was just pointing out that, by the definition, this is a bribe..That's the nature of an indemnity - no one can prevent a third party from exercising its right to sue, but a party can agree to indemnify another for any claims made or lawsuits filed, including all costs and damages incurred. Personally, I can't claim to understand all the issues and politics involved in this and don't have a strong opinion on it, but I do think the use of the term "bribe" seems misplaced and perhaps chosen mainly to convey a negative association. A "bribe" in the classic sense infers something secret or some form of misconduct. It this case, at least as far as I understand it, the party is simply improving its offer after the first proposal was rejected.agree to disagree.. even IF the Florida tribe promised to cover any loses to the Wisconsin tribes, it still doesn't mean the Wisconsin tribes wouldn't sue based on the pact signed by Doyle.
Now, IF the Florida tribe got the Wisconsin tribe(s) to sign off on a 100% guarantee they would NOT sue Wisconsin, then maybe things would change..
and I really have no horse in this race either.. Living in Western Wisconsin we are treated like the red headed step Child.. They do just enough to say
we know you are there, but we are the forgotten ones 90% of the time.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
What do you expect? A Wisconsin resident sporting a Vikings logo? C'mon man!Don't misconstrue my "Dictionary" response on the word "bribe" as meaning that I think this is/or isn't a bribe.. I was just pointing out that, by the definition, this is a bribe..That's the nature of an indemnity - no one can prevent a third party from exercising its right to sue, but a party can agree to indemnify another for any claims made or lawsuits filed, including all costs and damages incurred. Personally, I can't claim to understand all the issues and politics involved in this and don't have a strong opinion on it, but I do think the use of the term "bribe" seems misplaced and perhaps chosen mainly to convey a negative association. A "bribe" in the classic sense infers something secret or some form of misconduct. It this case, at least as far as I understand it, the party is simply improving its offer after the first proposal was rejected.agree to disagree.. even IF the Florida tribe promised to cover any loses to the Wisconsin tribes, it still doesn't mean the Wisconsin tribes wouldn't sue based on the pact signed by Doyle.
Now, IF the Florida tribe got the Wisconsin tribe(s) to sign off on a 100% guarantee they would NOT sue Wisconsin, then maybe things would change..
and I really have no horse in this race either.. Living in Western Wisconsin we are treated like the red headed step Child.. They do just enough to say
snogger
Footballguy
What do you expect? A Wisconsin resident sporting a Vikings logo? C'mon man!Don't misconstrue my "Dictionary" response on the word "bribe" as meaning that I think this is/or isn't a bribe.. I was just pointing out that, by the definition, this is a bribe..That's the nature of an indemnity - no one can prevent a third party from exercising its right to sue, but a party can agree to indemnify another for any claims made or lawsuits filed, including all costs and damages incurred. Personally, I can't claim to understand all the issues and politics involved in this and don't have a strong opinion on it, but I do think the use of the term "bribe" seems misplaced and perhaps chosen mainly to convey a negative association. A "bribe" in the classic sense infers something secret or some form of misconduct. It this case, at least as far as I understand it, the party is simply improving its offer after the first proposal was rejected.agree to disagree.. even IF the Florida tribe promised to cover any loses to the Wisconsin tribes, it still doesn't mean the Wisconsin tribes wouldn't sue based on the pact signed by Doyle.
Now, IF the Florida tribe got the Wisconsin tribe(s) to sign off on a 100% guarantee they would NOT sue Wisconsin, then maybe things would change..
and I really have no horse in this race either.. Living in Western Wisconsin we are treated like the red headed step Child.. They do just enough to say
cstu
Footballguy
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Translation: Yes I believe in evolution, HOWEVER, I'm dependent upon the support of the synaptically-challenged. If you ask me again, I'll continue to deceive.
MaxThreshold
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joffer
Footballguy
enlighten us Max. Why do you think he didn't answer the question?Uhm...Walker is a Republican, not a Democrat. They only support Democrats.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Stop with the "my emperor has better clothes than your emperor" routine.Uhm...Walker is a Republican, not a Democrat. They only support Democrats.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Trying to win back some moderates for the lack of casino funding he failed to pass.
For me, the casino, Bucks, jobs, growth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to work bill.
Kind of a joke really.
For me, the casino, Bucks, jobs, growth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to work bill.
Kind of a joke really.
squistion
Footballguy
evale72 @evale72 · 2h2 hours ago
Holy. ####. RT @costareports: Walker: "I dont know" if President Obama is a Christian http://wapo.st/1waXaf1
Holy. ####. RT @costareports: Walker: "I dont know" if President Obama is a Christian http://wapo.st/1waXaf1
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The Kerminator
Footballguy
Walker is right. The people care about the real issues.squistion said:
squistion
Footballguy
He is casting doubt on Obama's faith, following on the heels of Guiliani's claim the Obama "Does not love America". And, contrary to what you think, religion is a real issue to many people in this country. Hard to believe he would give the same answer if asked if George W. Bush is a Christian.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Actually, you did a pretty poor job of splicing out one sentence in a long article.
Walker actually explained his answer a little bit more. Maybe not to your liking nor to a reader's liking (anti-Obama) but he did say a little more than, "I don't know." The media and anti-Obama crowd will run with this and splice it up just as much and shout, "USA", but Walker did explain why he doesn't know.
Walker actually explained his answer a little bit more. Maybe not to your liking nor to a reader's liking (anti-Obama) but he did say a little more than, "I don't know." The media and anti-Obama crowd will run with this and splice it up just as much and shout, "USA", but Walker did explain why he doesn't know.
Actually he was casting doubt on the reporters ability to ask an intelligent question concerning stuff that effects people.
squistion
Footballguy
Good try, but that was his exact answer to the question if Obama was a Christian. One can only imagine the outrage on the right if he said the same thing about John Boehner, "I don't know" if he is a Christian". No one has ever questioned the faith of prominent political figures on the right, but with Obama this issue has been constantly raised and Walker played into that narrative. This was the proverbial dog whistle.
If Walker just stop at 'I don't know', what you say might be a reasonable assumption. But the fact that Walker explained his answer to refute your assumption, pretty much ends the discussion right there
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Is the earth round? I don't know.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
No, if you had actually read the article, he stated that he didn't know what Obama's faith was as he hasn't sat down to talk to him about it. Why should he speculate on what his faith is? Focus on the real issues, not the ones that the media clowns glam onto.
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