Seeking DEEP DEEP sleepers (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Deltoid]

16 team non PPR league in which players selected in rounds 9-15 (picks 129-240) can be kept in 2014. Any ideas for deep sleepers? Particularly RBs as the pool gets scary thin really quickly.

Thanks for any help sharks!!!!

Mr. D

 

[famousb]

Kenyon Barner, CAR.

Kid has skills and has been doing well in camp with Stewart out and DWil saving himself.

I could see a situation where both DWil and Stewart are let go at the end of the season and Barner inherits the job.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

Good call. Barner definitely has appeal with Stewart super iffy.

QBs are crazy valuable in this format. Any love for Terrelle Pryor?

 

[Don Quixote]

Not really "deep," but Lattimore is a player to stash. Probably not much value in 2013, so might last to the keeper rounds, but could take over for Gore next year.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

Not really "deep," but Lattimore is a player to stash. Probably not much value in 2013, so might last to the keeper rounds, but could take over for Gore next year.

I thought that too, but we have relatively shallow benches and some people do like Kendall Hunter (not sure how I feel). And Gore could stick around for another year.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

What's next? Deep deep DEEP sleepers?

 

[treat88]

LaRod Stephens Howling

Hes going to get some third down work as is and is the likely better half of the RBBC that would ensue if Bell goes down.

Extra value in return yardage leagues.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

LaRod Stephens Howling

Hes going to get some third down work as is and is the likely better half of the RBBC that would ensue if Bell goes down.

Extra value in return yardage leagues.

That is an excellent call. Same logic for Cordarrelle Patterson (value in return leagues, that is - both PR and KR).

 

[Boone22]

What's next? Deep deep DEEP sleepers?

I'm waiting for that thread to mention Denard Robinson.

 

[Anarchy99]

How deep are we talking? Like injuries to 5 guys on the depth chart and sudden deaths of the head coach and offensive coordinator deep?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If you need RBs, and if you had Ivory rostered befroe the Jets trade, consider Khiry Robinson and Travaris Cadet, RBs, Saints.

 

[whoDATT]

Rounds 9-15 isn't exactly digging "DEEP DEEP"

With that said, if you're looking to invest in some later round players whose values will likely rise next offseason/year, I would skip the defense/kicker selections and then use the two extra draft slots on prospects until the season starts. I'd target these guys if you're just looking for late round redraft prospects who should be mid round prospects next year:

RB:

-Jonathan Stewart (Dwill be 31)

-Giovanni Bernard

-Christine Michael

-Marcus Lattimore

WR:

-Markus Wheaton

-Cordarrelle Patterson

-Justin Blackmon

-Michael Floyd

-Ryan Broyles

-Michael Crabtree

-Kenbrell Thompkins

-Da'Rick Rogers

-Terrance Williams

-Keenan Allen

-Tyler Eifert

-Fred Davis

-Coby Fleener

-Dennis Pitta

 

[xenon]

Not sure how deep this is but I like Reuben Randle

 

[Diamond]

Pryor has beaten out Tyler Wilson for the backup job in Oakland. Would not be surprised if he sees some starts at some point this year due to injury/ineffectiveness of Flynn. Would be surprised if he's ever the opening day starter for any team ever. Has more value in fantasy due to his legs than he does in the NFL due to his lack of accuracy. I wouldn't draft him with only 15 roster spots, grab him off the wire if he gets a shot and you need help.

Guys I like from pick 129 on (which frankly isn't all that deep) based off this ADP:

QB Matt Schaub, HOU - Foster maybe slowing down a bit and Hopkins as a legit threat beside Andre should mean more passing.

QB Sam Bradford, STL - an emerging talent in Chris Givens, the additions of Cook and the rooks Austin, Bailey along with the lack of a running game bodes well for Bradfords stats.

QB Carson Palmer, ARI - best weapons he's had since his Cincy glory days.

RB Christine Michael, SEA - the future starting RB for a run first team. Whether the future is 2014 or 2015 is unclear.

RB LaMichael James, SF - Hunter's health or lack thereof clouds the issue here, but I think James will see plenty of time regardless, Lattimore is the future but that future may not start until 2015.

RB Jacquizz Rodgers, ATL - Not sure SJax can do it all anymore, and if he tries to a breakdown could be imminent. The O-line is a huge problem here though.

RB Danny Woodhead, SD - like him in PPR.

RB Roy Helu, WAS - like him in PPR, and as a Morris handcuff.

RB LeGarrette Blount, NE - need to see more, but if he jumps Bolden as Ridley's backup he will have value

RB Michael Bush, CHI - think he was injured most of last year, should do better as the GL back here with the improvements along the O-line

RB Stepfan Taylor, ARI - not spectacular but does everything well, behind 2 injury prone RBs (Mendy, Williams).

RB LaRod Stephens-Howling, PIT - looked great week 1 of the preseason, need to see more from the rookie Bell in order to tell just how much PT LSH is going to steal.

WR Vincent Brown, SD - the #1 WR in SD.

WR Josh Gordon, CLE - much better than Little, IMO, much bigger knucklehead, too though.

WR Cordarelle Patterson, MIN - going to be a playmaker, bonus value in return leagues.

WR Alshon Jeffrey, CHI - has the skills to emerge as a solid WR2 in CHI, but will Cutler look for anyone but his BFF?

WR Reuben Randle, NYG - If Nicks doesn't stay healthy, he won't be back, and if he does, the Giants may not be able to afford him which bodes well for Randle's future value.

TE Tyler Eifert, CIN - future stud, should get plenty of PT as the move TE in Cincy's offense

TE Julius Thomas, DEN - the next great TE but probably still a year away

TE Zach Sudfeld, NE - running with the 1s with Gronk out. You want Brady's TE even if its only for a few games.

TE Travis Kelce, KC - may struggle for PT as a rookie, but has a bright future.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

Awesome stuff guys. I'd only point out that, for my specific case, owners in this league are psycho about QBs so I'd be stunned if Schaub/Bradford/Palmer are still around.

Agree that 129-240 is not *super* deep. Maybe for ESPN or Yahoo, but not for FBG!

Keep the awesome analysis coming, I figure this thread is helping lots of people.

Mr D

 

[nirad3]

Woodhead seems to be popping up on a lot of lists, and I'm not sure why.

I get that Ryan Mathews is incredibly injury-prone and Woodhead is technically #2 on the depth chart. But dude is 5'8", 195 lbs. soaken wet and by no means capable of a lead role.

And most importantly, the Charger offense couldn't be more different than the one he previously played for. Those thinking that he's going to get all these little gimmicky drop-off passes may be sorely mistaken.

Maybe I'm wrong (yes, it's happened before) but I'm just not a buyer.

 

[haterade]

Tony moeaki was split out a lot in KC preseason game. I like him as a deep te option.

 

[Donnybrook]

Mario Manningham and Jeff Cumberland. Maybe not the most talented players but little competition at their respective positions.

 

[lod01]

This is what a deep deep sleeper looks like: Bennie Cunningham.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/8/12/4611846/st-louis-rams-2013-depth-chart-benny-cunningham-running-backs

 

[Insein]

Spoiler

Pryor has beaten out Tyler Wilson for the backup job in Oakland. Would not be surprised if he sees some starts at some point this year due to injury/ineffectiveness of Flynn. Would be surprised if he's ever the opening day starter for any team ever. Has more value in fantasy due to his legs than he does in the NFL due to his lack of accuracy. I wouldn't draft him with only 15 roster spots, grab him off the wire if he gets a shot and you need help.

Guys I like from pick 129 on (which frankly isn't all that deep) based off this ADP:

QB Matt Schaub, HOU - Foster maybe slowing down a bit and Hopkins as a legit threat beside Andre should mean more passing.

QB Sam Bradford, STL - an emerging talent in Chris Givens, the additions of Cook and the rooks Austin, Bailey along with the lack of a running game bodes well for Bradfords stats.

QB Carson Palmer, ARI - best weapons he's had since his Cincy glory days.

RB Christine Michael, SEA - the future starting RB for a run first team. Whether the future is 2014 or 2015 is unclear.

RB LaMichael James, SF - Hunter's health or lack thereof clouds the issue here, but I think James will see plenty of time regardless, Lattimore is the future but that future may not start until 2015.

RB Jacquizz Rodgers, ATL - Not sure SJax can do it all anymore, and if he tries to a breakdown could be imminent. The O-line is a huge problem here though.

RB Danny Woodhead, SD - like him in PPR.

RB Roy Helu, WAS - like him in PPR, and as a Morris handcuff.

RB LeGarrette Blount, NE - need to see more, but if he jumps Bolden as Ridley's backup he will have value

RB Michael Bush, CHI - think he was injured most of last year, should do better as the GL back here with the improvements along the O-line

RB Stepfan Taylor, ARI - not spectacular but does everything well, behind 2 injury prone RBs (Mendy, Williams).

RB LaRod Stephens-Howling, PIT - looked great week 1 of the preseason, need to see more from the rookie Bell in order to tell just how much PT LSH is going to steal.

WR Vincent Brown, SD - the #1 WR in SD.

WR Josh Gordon, CLE - much better than Little, IMO, much bigger knucklehead, too though.

WR Cordarelle Patterson, MIN - going to be a playmaker, bonus value in return leagues.

WR Alshon Jeffrey, CHI - has the skills to emerge as a solid WR2 in CHI, but will Cutler look for anyone but his BFF?

WR Reuben Randle, NYG - If Nicks doesn't stay healthy, he won't be back, and if he does, the Giants may not be able to afford him which bodes well for Randle's future value.

TE Tyler Eifert, CIN - future stud, should get plenty of PT as the move TE in Cincy's offense

TE Julius Thomas, DEN - the next great TE but probably still a year away

TE Zach Sudfeld, NE - running with the 1s with Gronk out. You want Brady's TE even if its only for a few games.

TE Travis Kelce, KC - may struggle for PT as a rookie, but has a bright future.

 

[Insein]

Woodhead seems to be popping up on a lot of lists, and I'm not sure why.

I get that Ryan Mathews is incredibly injury-prone and Woodhead is technically #2 on the depth chart. But dude is 5'8", 195 lbs. soaken wet and by no means capable of a lead role.

And most importantly, the Charger offense couldn't be more different than the one he previously played for. Those thinking that he's going to get all these little gimmicky drop-off passes may be sorely mistaken.

Maybe I'm wrong (yes, it's happened before) but I'm just not a buyer.

The thing is that he doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Matthews isn't exactly a solid #1 so woodhead should be the 3rd down back. That should mean a lot of catches and draw opportunities. Plus he's going way later than most rbs.

 

[Late225]

WR ifeanyi momah

 

[Saint]

If he can be kept and you really don't need to play them..... Percy Harvin, Dennis Pitta, or Jeremy Maclin. HUGE advantage in 2014.

If you have to take an active player:

Marcus Wheaton

Jarius Wright

DeAndre Hopkins

Robert Woods

 

[Casting Couch]

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Travaris Cadet

Cierre Wood

Taylor Thompson

Benny Cunningham

Chad Spamm

Michael Cox

Justin Brown

Ace of Spades Sanders

 

[citsalp]

Deep, Deep sleeper @ TE Chase Coffman, has been tearing it @ camp won't help this year and maybe never, just like all the other guys, you can probably grab him on the WW...I'll second the Cierre Wood pick @ RB, and would add Nick Toon @ WR.

As far as immediate help Jacquizz Rodgers @ RB, and the OLine is no where near as bad as the perception on this board.

 

[Biabreakable]

How deep are we talking? Like injuries to 5 guys on the depth chart and sudden deaths of the head coach and offensive coordinator deep?

Nope sorry that player is already on my devy squad.

 

[ChainsawU]

You want deep dynasty RBs check out C.J. Anderson and Spencer Ware.

 

[ChainsawU]

Michael Cox

 

[Hawkfire]

Travaris Cadet - will follow the Chris Ivory path to free agent starter one day

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Travaris Cadet - will follow the Chris Ivory path to free agent starter one day

I like Robinson better.

 

[eric 42]

Nick Toon

 

[nirad3]

Woodhead seems to be popping up on a lot of lists, and I'm not sure why.

I get that Ryan Mathews is incredibly injury-prone and Woodhead is technically #2 on the depth chart. But dude is 5'8", 195 lbs. soaken wet and by no means capable of a lead role.

And most importantly, the Charger offense couldn't be more different than the one he previously played for. Those thinking that he's going to get all these little gimmicky drop-off passes may be sorely mistaken.

Maybe I'm wrong (yes, it's happened before) but I'm just not a buyer.

The thing is that he doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Matthews isn't exactly a solid #1 so woodhead should be the 3rd down back. That should mean a lot of catches and draw opportunities. Plus he's going way later than most rbs.

I get the fact that a RB doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Woodhead was a nice flex play in the Pats' system... it's my contention, though, that he will *not* have those same opportunities for the SD offense.

Lil man's ADP right now is 127. Of those that come after him ADP-wise, I'd rather have: Pierre Thomas, Christine Michael/Robert Turbin, Zac Stacy and Quizz Rodgers.

But hey, I've been wrong before... maybe due to Mathews' inability to stay healthy he will get more touches. Maybe he will get a ton of dump-offs and SD will figure out how to use him the same way NE did.

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Travaris Cadet

Cierre Wood

Taylor Thompson

Benny Cunningham

Chad Spamm

Michael Cox

Justin Brown

Ace of Spades Sanders

I love Sanders' value in dynasty. With the right QB he could be straight-up electric.

 

[Insein]

Woodhead seems to be popping up on a lot of lists, and I'm not sure why.

I get that Ryan Mathews is incredibly injury-prone and Woodhead is technically #2 on the depth chart. But dude is 5'8", 195 lbs. soaken wet and by no means capable of a lead role.

And most importantly, the Charger offense couldn't be more different than the one he previously played for. Those thinking that he's going to get all these little gimmicky drop-off passes may be sorely mistaken.

Maybe I'm wrong (yes, it's happened before) but I'm just not a buyer.

The thing is that he doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Matthews isn't exactly a solid #1 so woodhead should be the 3rd down back. That should mean a lot of catches and draw opportunities. Plus he's going way later than most rbs.

I get the fact that a RB doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Woodhead was a nice flex play in the Pats' system... it's my contention, though, that he will *not* have those same opportunities for the SD offense.

Lil man's ADP right now is 127. Of those that come after him ADP-wise, I'd rather have: Pierre Thomas, Christine Michael/Robert Turbin, Zac Stacy and Quizz Rodgers.

But hey, I've been wrong before... maybe due to Mathews' inability to stay healthy he will get more touches. Maybe he will get a ton of dump-offs and SD will figure out how to use him the same way NE did.

If we're talking redraft, I'd rather have a guy like Woodhead. He fits the mold of a Sproles lite as opposed to backup guys that need an injury to have a real impact. If we're talking dynasty though, for sure those guys have more value going forward.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Woodhead seems to be popping up on a lot of lists, and I'm not sure why.

I get that Ryan Mathews is incredibly injury-prone and Woodhead is technically #2 on the depth chart. But dude is 5'8", 195 lbs. soaken wet and by no means capable of a lead role.

And most importantly, the Charger offense couldn't be more different than the one he previously played for. Those thinking that he's going to get all these little gimmicky drop-off passes may be sorely mistaken.

Maybe I'm wrong (yes, it's happened before) but I'm just not a buyer.

The thing is that he doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Matthews isn't exactly a solid #1 so woodhead should be the 3rd down back. That should mean a lot of catches and draw opportunities. Plus he's going way later than most rbs.

I get the fact that a RB doesn't have to be a starter to have flex value. Woodhead was a nice flex play in the Pats' system... it's my contention, though, that he will *not* have those same opportunities for the SD offense.

Lil man's ADP right now is 127. Of those that come after him ADP-wise, I'd rather have: Pierre Thomas, Christine Michael/Robert Turbin, Zac Stacy and Quizz Rodgers.

But hey, I've been wrong before... maybe due to Mathews' inability to stay healthy he will get more touches. Maybe he will get a ton of dump-offs and SD will figure out how to use him the same way NE did.

Someone on the Chargers beat (I believe Kevin Acee) went on the Audible earlier this year and said that Woodhead was going to have a huge role in San Diego this year, and that he'd take Woodhead straight up over Mathews in PPR leagues. I don't think it's at all out of the question for Woodhead to get another 300-400 yards rushing paired with 50 receptions and another 400 yards receiving, which are quality flex numbers (and possibly even low-end RB2 numbers) in PPR.

 

[Crazy Tony]

I haven't seen BJGE get any mention. I've read he's likely to devalue GioB this year by poaching Goal Line work.

If you get KR points Marquis Goodwin has got some speed right!. Any deep threat WR where QB has a good arm is decent option.

For 2014 I'd take Osweiler and Tyler Bray.

Blount is huge and could surprise.

I like the Christine Michael mention he's got upside and buried deep but talent and situation could go really well if bad things happen to RB1, 2 ahead of him.

Seems like there were some good articles in the last few months about why guys fell through the cracks. Check them out. Some great RB options in there.

Matt Cassel not because he's good but Ponder isn't great either. Fitzpatrick...same situation Backup could be better than the starter Locker. Kirk Cousins, Mike Glennon. All kinda guys on the radar if injury or something happens.

 

[famousb]

I haven't seen BJGE get any mention. I've read he's likely to devalue GioB this year by poaching Goal Line work.

If you get KR points Marquis Goodwin has got some speed right!. Any deep threat WR where QB has a good arm is decent option.

For 2014 I'd take Osweiler and Tyler Bray.

Blount is huge and could surprise.

I like the Christine Michael mention he's got upside and buried deep but talent and situation could go really well if bad things happen to RB1, 2 ahead of him.

Seems like there were some good articles in the last few months about why guys fell through the cracks. Check them out. Some great RB options in there.

Matt Cassel not because he's good but Ponder isn't great either. Fitzpatrick...same situation Backup could be better than the starter Locker. Kirk Cousins, Mike Glennon. All kinda guys on the radar if injury or something happens.

Law Firm was a steal in a lot of leagues last year, yet again this year people are just completely ignoring him because of Gio. But he could easily put up low end RB2 numbers this year - particularly in nonPPR leagues.

 

[Insein]

I haven't seen BJGE get any mention. I've read he's likely to devalue GioB this year by poaching Goal Line work.

If you get KR points Marquis Goodwin has got some speed right!. Any deep threat WR where QB has a good arm is decent option.

For 2014 I'd take Osweiler and Tyler Bray.

Blount is huge and could surprise.

I like the Christine Michael mention he's got upside and buried deep but talent and situation could go really well if bad things happen to RB1, 2 ahead of him.

Seems like there were some good articles in the last few months about why guys fell through the cracks. Check them out. Some great RB options in there.

Matt Cassel not because he's good but Ponder isn't great either. Fitzpatrick...same situation Backup could be better than the starter Locker. Kirk Cousins, Mike Glennon. All kinda guys on the radar if injury or something happens.

Law Firm was a steal in a lot of leagues last year, yet again this year people are just completely ignoring him because of Gio. But he could easily put up low end RB2 numbers this year - particularly in nonPPR leagues.

I was noticing this tonight. His adp is like round 11 and Gio's is 7. He's worth that just to get a few solid games early on.

 

[Casting Couch]

This is what a deep deep sleeper looks like: Bennie Cunningham.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/8/12/4611846/st-louis-rams-2013-depth-chart-benny-cunningham-running-backs

This guy has looked decent. Plus there is no one really standing out in the STL backfield these days. Looks like it's going to be Richardson by default. Does Benny have a legitimate shot ?

 

[BuzzCagney]

jermaine kearse

 

[UMDterps26]

Zach Ertz ... Chip Kelly got lit up by this kid last year with a couple weeks left and Oregon on pace to play for a title ... Ertz 11 catches 135 yards and game tying TD with 1:45 left ... now Chip's got 'em ...