jwb
Footballguy
Thanks Jeff.
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No offense but we definitely want more discussion and less attempts at humor in the Shark Pool. Hit up the FFA for the humor stuff.J
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I'm in here all the time and I can honestly say I've never once run into a pursefight that involved dynasty vs. redraft. So based on that, I don't think a separate dynasty forum is needed, even though that's all I play.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
No problem. But can Couch Potato be exempt from that?
Homer @ RJ
Footballguy
This is a fantasy football forum so I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears...but I wish there were game threads for actual game discussion and then game threads for FF discussion. A few years ago I would come home from the Bucs game and see 100+ replies on the game, and most of them would be actual interesting game conversation.
This year that same amount of replies would mainly look like this:
"Is anyone watching the game? How does Galloway look?"
"OMG is Galloway playing?"
"OMFG I HATE GRUDEN WHY DON'T YOU PLAY GALLOWAY"
"Graham is a vulture. That was Dunn's touchdown"
"Is Antonio Bryant playing? He only has 3 catches"
"OMG I LOVE ANTONIO BRYANT!!!!1"
On and on and on for every other team. Got to the point where they were useless to click on.
This year that same amount of replies would mainly look like this:
"Is anyone watching the game? How does Galloway look?"
"OMG is Galloway playing?"
"OMFG I HATE GRUDEN WHY DON'T YOU PLAY GALLOWAY"
"Graham is a vulture. That was Dunn's touchdown"
"Is Antonio Bryant playing? He only has 3 catches"
"OMG I LOVE ANTONIO BRYANT!!!!1"
On and on and on for every other team. Got to the point where they were useless to click on.
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I'm interested in what you're saying here. Can you elaborate more on what you'd like to see and examples?J
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Thanks for giving us another example of what's not going to fly in here anymore.Have a great weekend.
Homer @ RJ
Footballguy
I don't know if it would clutter the place or what, but say Tampa plays New England."Tampa Bay v. New England Game Discussion Thread"and then"Tampa Bay v. New England Fantasy Football Discussion Thread"Maybe link them both in the first post, I don't know. I just know that I personally like to discuss the NFL here, but absolutely have no interest in discussing FF in any way. It's more difficult to read the game threads now because they are littered with discussions going both ways, and usually in the direction of meaningless "is player X playing" posts.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
The dynasty/re-draft issue has nothing to do with pursefights, so you probably shouldn't base it on that.
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lyon812
Footballguy
I like the game threads, but nothing irritates me more than the people constantly asking about their player. Especially since, if they'd read the thread to that point, they usually would have had their question answered already. Or, if they'd checked the NFL.com play-by-play. I mean, I don't mind things like "nice grab by Fitz there, he's insane". That's just commenting like you would sitting in the living room. But the examples Homer provides above are at times incessant. It's silly that halfway through the first quarter, people are asking "omg is White hurt how come he hasn't caught any" or "why only 3 carries for MJD what's goin on".
Bonzai
Footballguy
Why not just have only staff post in these threads?
Let me think on that. In some ways, the threads are good for folks that can't watch the game. They want an instant feedback type thing on what's happening with their players. Others use them as sort of a running dialog as if they were with a bunch of friends watching the game. Pretty much teh same comments they'd make live if they were with friends. In the first case, the audience can't see the game. In the second case, you're assuming they can see the same game you are. Let me think about that one. Any more examples / specifics would be welcome.J
No, this forum is for you guys. There are tons of really good posters here that can do this.J
Hi gian,Yeah, what happens is the board refreshes fast enough (or at least it should) that the game threads do become like a chat room. I just like having all that out in the open. J
HellToupee
Footballguy
How come you can post in Lo-Fi ?
Rockchild
Footballguy
All in all, the SP is a great place with excellent posters. It has been a bit exasperating over the last little while with too many personal attacks etc. I dón't think it would be so bad but it seems that it goes on and on from topic to topic. As an example, the ongoing BMI bashing every time EBF posts. Exasperating sifting through all that. I appreciate diverse opinions and we should want to encourage some of the outside the box thinking that alot of people have. I fear that others may hold back ideas lest they become ongoing targets of ridicule. My suggestion would be quicker moderation and it seems as if this is happening after reading through this topic.
I like the idea of marking topics as dynasty or PPR. I had no idea that the crown was for dynasty but hopefully it will be used going forward. It's not that big of a deal to me as it's usually pretty easy to decipher what is meant by the tone of the post.
I like the idea of marking topics as dynasty or PPR. I had no idea that the crown was for dynasty but hopefully it will be used going forward. It's not that big of a deal to me as it's usually pretty easy to decipher what is meant by the tone of the post.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I would create a few more forum options under the SP header for PPR, Dynasty, etc. Then specific discussions can happen there. Too many times we are chasing thoughts back and forth within a thread trying to decipher what format the poster is thinking as they post.
Either that, or create a Legend to be used or clicked when you post that automatically tells everyone how your post is derived, PPR, Dynasty, etc.
I would assign 15-20 regular board members as Moderators with the ability to "Freeze" a thread when it gets personal. This way, the staff can easily see where there are issues and address them right away. This would also give the posters time to cool down (hopefully).
I think it would be cool to have 3 or 4 staffers "live" on Sunday mornings to take interactive questions. Like a live IM box where you could post WDIS, Injury updates, etc. and get an immediate response and know who gave their opinion.
That is all for now...
Either that, or create a Legend to be used or clicked when you post that automatically tells everyone how your post is derived, PPR, Dynasty, etc.
I would assign 15-20 regular board members as Moderators with the ability to "Freeze" a thread when it gets personal. This way, the staff can easily see where there are issues and address them right away. This would also give the posters time to cool down (hopefully).
I think it would be cool to have 3 or 4 staffers "live" on Sunday mornings to take interactive questions. Like a live IM box where you could post WDIS, Injury updates, etc. and get an immediate response and know who gave their opinion.
That is all for now...
RC94
Footballguy
I am not sure if it exists and I missed it, but I would like to see a thread with all of the pro day results in one place (in the OP of the thread so the info easy to find). Maybe combine it with the combine results thread.
I am also in favor of more stringent enforcement of the rules. Too much toolishness here and I for one am someone who does not post nearly as often as I would otherwise because of it. I have found that if you want to talk fantasy football without the tools, the ACF is a good place. I participate there much more than in the Shark Pool.
I am also in favor of more stringent enforcement of the rules. Too much toolishness here and I for one am someone who does not post nearly as often as I would otherwise because of it. I have found that if you want to talk fantasy football without the tools, the ACF is a good place. I participate there much more than in the Shark Pool.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I'm usually in-line with the moderation rules around here, but I definitely disagree with this, at least with the hard line that has already been exhibited in this thread.You're basically requiring posters to stop being human if they want to post here. It makes no sense to me to ask people with a passion for football/fantasy football to come to this place to discuss thoughts and ideas, but then to tell them they have to completely check their emotions and personalities at the door.I don't disagree that there has to be a line somewhere, and that it should be different than in the FFA. I can definitely get in line with TheFanatic's sentiments ("The shark pool is not the place for dooshbaggery"). But I strongly believe that the "zero tolerance" policy on humor, that has so far been displayed, will turn away far more quality posters than would letting a few
smilies go by.
I wouldn't say zero tolerance on humor. We'll always have a little. But of late, it seems that people are way too focused on throwing out a one liner zinger at another poster than they are actually contributing to the discussion. And good contributing discussion is what we want. I'd rather the thread be 8 posts that are all good discussion than the same topic thread be 20 posts long with a ton of just shots at the other guys opinion under the guise of humor. Not to pick on anyone but the other angle is that most people (myself included) WAY overestimate how humorous their attempts at humor are. At best, one usually will get aI'm usually in-line with the moderation rules around here, but I definitely disagree with this, at least with the hard line that has already been exhibited in this thread.You're basically requiring posters to stop being human if they want to post here. It makes no sense to me to ask people with a passion for football/fantasy football to come to this place to discuss thoughts and ideas, but then to tell them they have to completely check their emotions and personalities at the door.I don't disagree that there has to be a line somewhere, and that it should be different than in the FFA. I can definitely get in line with TheFanatic's sentiments ("The shark pool is not the place for dooshbaggery"). But I strongly believe that the "zero tolerance" policy on humor, that has so far been displayed, will turn away far more quality posters than would letting a few
In most cases, it puts people in a defensive mode and the thread quickly derails. When I see a thread that's gone from good to trainwreck, very very often the point that it turned was when one guy thought he'd try to be funny and take a jab at the topic or worse, at another poster. Bottom line is by and large, keep the humor in the FFA.J
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I hear this a lot and I'm listening. I don't know that I fully agree to the extent some are saying but I'm smart enough to pay attention when I'm hearing it. We're consciously raising the bar on what we'll allow. If that means we have fewer people posting here as I suspect it will, that's OK.J
identikit
Footballguy
I would like to see the 'Expert Rankings' updated a lot more often by a lot more of the staff than what looks to be happening now.
I understand it's the non-playing season, but they're still a very useful tool (when reasonably current) in offseason trading.
Right now if you look at 'Dynasty Overall Rankings' one staff member has updated it since 11/10/08, while 3 others' latest entries are from July and August of '08.
If it's not reasonably current, they're really not worthwhile.
Just my
I understand it's the non-playing season, but they're still a very useful tool (when reasonably current) in offseason trading.
Right now if you look at 'Dynasty Overall Rankings' one staff member has updated it since 11/10/08, while 3 others' latest entries are from July and August of '08.
If it's not reasonably current, they're really not worthwhile.
Just my
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
The signal-to-noise ratio here is amazingly high, all things considered. The fact that 95% of posts are written in complete sentences with capitalization on such a big board is incredible. I'm surprised that so many people think heavier moderation is a major need. The board culture is pretty developed and people who come here strictly to snipe don't last, whether they get banned or not. I rarely see name-calling (though I don't read any of the other forums).
Oh, but you can ban people who say "mark it down."
Oh, but you can ban people who say "mark it down."
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treat88
Footballguy
Agreed. With leagues that run year round, more frequently updated rankings would be very helpful.Also, when accessing player information, I would like to see combine results and injury history as links by the outlook, career stats, game logs etc. line.Might be going a little far, but a section for legal/character related news items would be useful as well.Thanks for the great site and hard work.I would like to see the 'Expert Rankings' updated a lot more often by a lot more of the staff than what looks to be happening now.I understand it's the non-playing season, but they're still a very useful tool (when reasonably current) in offseason trading.Right now if you look at 'Dynasty Overall Rankings' one staff member has updated it since 11/10/08, while 3 others' latest entries are from July and August of '08.If it's not reasonably current, they're really not worthwhile.Just my
stugnut
Footballguy
1. Unsubscribing from a thread - when you are subscribed to a thread you receive an email from the forum notifying you when there is a reply. For most of the forums I frequent, that email will have a link at the bottom that you can click to unsubscribe. One click and it's done. For FBG's, there is no link, just this statement,
. Can you add an unsubscribe link to the email notifications?2. vBulletin forum - I doubt you would ever switch forum software, but did you ever consider using vBulletin? Chances are if there were any feature you wanted to implement (ie, 3 letter searching) you could get it done with vBulletin or a mod from vBulletin.org.
shamrock84
Footballguy
I think it would be cool to see a weekly/monthly thread where one staff member starts a thread and allows everyone to pick his brain for a few hours. I know the staff chimes in on threads and gives opinions but this would allow everyone to ask questions directly to that staffer. It could just be done on a rotating basis.
Also, more Bloom
Also, more Bloom
TheFanatic
Footballguy
It is? Who knew? Been posting here for about 6 years. I never knew that....Jeff Pasquino said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
See, I think this needs to be in his original post in big, bold red letters. If I didn't keep reading this thread I would've had no idea that he had crossed the line here. Well, I sort of assumed, but I wouldn't have known for certain.Jason Wood said:
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Man clicking on the red square to get to the newest unread post = hott
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Took me like a year to figure this out as well. Welcome to the rest of us.
valhallan
Footballguy
Exactly. How many times does a debate end with something like, "well I'm coming from a dynasty perspective, so I'm looking at his upside with a longer horizon". We can ask people to use the crown icon or disclaimers until we're blue in the face but unless everyone goes through a training seminar, we're not going to eliminate the other in-thread confusion that drives us to want a dynasty forum. As I said already, not buying the idea of one forum ending up dead. There are 30,000 members here and I doubt even a quarter play dynasty.Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Great topic, here's a couple thoughts (I apologize if this is a :honda: of any other thoughts as I'll guiltily admit skipping to the end after reading page 1).
I don't know the tech end of it but is it possible to apply suspensions to a specific board? (e.g. just the Shark Pool) Probably too much of an admin headache but I thought I'd throw that out there.
In terms of the 3-letter issue on the search. Maybe the solution would be either
a) making some sort of exception for common 3-letter terms if that's possible or
b) maybe employing a "tagging" system of some sort like many blogs do. This also may cut down the duplicate threading a bit.
I agree that it'll help folks understand what is out of bounds by explaining the purpose for banning. If what is posted is too reprehensible to be shown maybe one of a handful of standard explanations can be applied. (e.g. Soandso was suspended for 24 hours for issuing a personal attack, SonOfSoandSo was banned for being an illegal ghost account, Someoneelse was suspended 48 hours for circumventing the language filter, etc.)
The board should stay free. I bet if you surveyed your subscribers you would find that a huge chunk of them started out reading the board for free and later choosing to subscribe. I know that I fit into that category myself.
I'll save my campaigns to bring back the black dot and for the adoption of smileys for all 32 teams for another thread . Keep up the good work guys!
-QG
I don't know the tech end of it but is it possible to apply suspensions to a specific board? (e.g. just the Shark Pool) Probably too much of an admin headache but I thought I'd throw that out there.
In terms of the 3-letter issue on the search. Maybe the solution would be either
a) making some sort of exception for common 3-letter terms if that's possible or
b) maybe employing a "tagging" system of some sort like many blogs do. This also may cut down the duplicate threading a bit.
I agree that it'll help folks understand what is out of bounds by explaining the purpose for banning. If what is posted is too reprehensible to be shown maybe one of a handful of standard explanations can be applied. (e.g. Soandso was suspended for 24 hours for issuing a personal attack, SonOfSoandSo was banned for being an illegal ghost account, Someoneelse was suspended 48 hours for circumventing the language filter, etc.)
The board should stay free. I bet if you surveyed your subscribers you would find that a huge chunk of them started out reading the board for free and later choosing to subscribe. I know that I fit into that category myself.
I'll save my campaigns to bring back the black dot and for the adoption of smileys for all 32 teams for another thread
. Keep up the good work guys!-QG
Hi daver,Can you give me some examples of what you mean about rumors stated as fact? I think we try pretty hard to make sure we have folks label stuff they're just hearing as rumor.J
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Reading through this thread, maybe it'd be a good idea to create some kind of PPR icon for those threads, much like the Crown stands for "dynasty."
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SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
for reals?
Duke1948
Footballguy
wish something could be done with the quote portion........
seems sometimes we get a discussion/argument between 2 or more posters and they all use the quote/reply...... then post a single line. pretty soon you have a page full of quotations and nothing being said, could we at least limit the number of quotes the icon will pick up?
seems sometimes we get a discussion/argument between 2 or more posters and they all use the quote/reply...... then post a single line. pretty soon you have a page full of quotations and nothing being said, could we at least limit the number of quotes the icon will pick up?
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BoneYardDog
Footballguy
Shark Pool is for the most time pretty worthless, you get a few good posts and the rest is just garbage...
It is nothing like it used to be...
Don't have a clue how you can fix it or make it better but it is almost to the point of not being worth even clicking on a thread anymore...
It would be nice if you have nothing to add to just leave it alone.
I know you hate the idea but make a separate forum for paying customers and you "might" get rid of some of the worthless posts, or ban people from posting if they never add anything to a thread. It is turning into the FFA...
It is nothing like it used to be...
Don't have a clue how you can fix it or make it better but it is almost to the point of not being worth even clicking on a thread anymore...
It would be nice if you have nothing to add to just leave it alone.
I know you hate the idea but make a separate forum for paying customers and you "might" get rid of some of the worthless posts, or ban people from posting if they never add anything to a thread. It is turning into the FFA...
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Is clicking an icon every time easier than starting by writing "In PPR..." or "In dynasty..."?
edit: Oh, just for threads, not for all posts.
I guess that's fine, I don't know how consistent people are with it (basically tagging everything like blog topics). Seems like people do mostly mention the FF format in thread titles.
edit: Oh, just for threads, not for all posts.
I guess that's fine, I don't know how consistent people are with it (basically tagging everything like blog topics). Seems like people do mostly mention the FF format in thread titles.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think we can definitely facilitate this.I think it would be cool to see a weekly/monthly thread where one staff member starts a thread and allows everyone to pick his brain for a few hours. I know the staff chimes in on threads and gives opinions but this would allow everyone to ask questions directly to that staffer. It could just be done on a rotating basis.Also, more Bloom
Can you elaborate specifically what you mean there, boneyard?J
GregR_2
Footballguy
This is sounding a bit different than your earlier posts about cracking down on humor seemed to suggest to me. At least I hope so, you had me a bit worried with the wording that was used earlier.Would it be correct to say you are not cracking down on "humor", but on ridicule of other users disguised as humor? And maybe cracking down on other attempts at humor that derail the meaningful and topical conversation.So for example, videoguy505 ran afoul not because he tried to be funny, but because his post implied ridicule of ScottNorwood for getting the warning? And 10 people posting versions of Tatum Bell and it being a ploy might get axed for derailing the conversation? But, say, a single person dropping a one-liner on some future Travis Henry contract signing including a clause for 11 seats in the friends and family section would be ok? Or would that one get the person axed too?Joe Bryant said:I wouldn't say zero tolerance on humor. We'll always have a little. But of late, it seems that people are way too focused on throwing out a one liner zinger at another poster than they are actually contributing to the discussion. And good contributing discussion is what we want. I'd rather the thread be 8 posts that are all good discussion than the same topic thread be 20 posts long with a ton of just shots at the other guys opinion under the guise of humor. Not to pick on anyone but the other angle is that most people (myself included) WAY overestimate how humorous their attempts at humor are. At best, one usually will get aSidewinder16 said:I'm usually in-line with the moderation rules around here, but I definitely disagree with this, at least with the hard line that has already been exhibited in this thread.You're basically requiring posters to stop being human if they want to post here. It makes no sense to me to ask people with a passion for football/fantasy football to come to this place to discuss thoughts and ideas, but then to tell them they have to completely check their emotions and personalities at the door.I don't disagree that there has to be a line somewhere, and that it should be different than in the FFA. I can definitely get in line with TheFanatic's sentiments ("The shark pool is not the place for dooshbaggery"). But I strongly believe that the "zero tolerance" policy on humor, that has so far been displayed, will turn away far more quality posters than would letting a fewJoe Bryant said:smilies go by.
In most cases, it puts people in a defensive mode and the thread quickly derails. When I see a thread that's gone from good to trainwreck, very very often the point that it turned was when one guy thought he'd try to be funny and take a jab at the topic or worse, at another poster. Bottom line is by and large, keep the humor in the FFA.J
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Boneyard, are you saying that signal-to-noise is out of whack? In other words...someone posts something detailed, you would rather see fewer people just respond in kind for the sake of it? I think what you're getting at is the need for self restraint?
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Or we could just create better smileys.Zow said:
comfortably numb
Footballguy
SP is great.
Always can use a little tweaking as newer members arrive and take awhile to understand the way things operate.
But I just want to say keep up the good work.
We always seem to have people every year say
"this place isn't what it used to be"
or
"ever year this place just gets worse"
I have been here since 04, and IMO this place has been and will be fine.
Plenty of breaking news, in depth team thoughts from notable posters, people with local info, that may not be main stream to reach most of us.
Always can use a little tweaking as newer members arrive and take awhile to understand the way things operate.
But I just want to say keep up the good work.
We always seem to have people every year say
"this place isn't what it used to be"
or
"ever year this place just gets worse"
I have been here since 04, and IMO this place has been and will be fine.
Plenty of breaking news, in depth team thoughts from notable posters, people with local info, that may not be main stream to reach most of us.
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