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[AhrnCityPahnder]

Football Guys LoFi Version.

Just for you, #######.

Well, I'll be hornswaggled.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Yes. There has to be a way to limit the number of quotes allowed in a reply. I've been on other forums where only the two or three most recent in the quote string show up in new posts. If the argument against this is that it would blur the context of the reply, then I don't buy that. The only people following a 15-quote "conversation" are the two involved and they already know the context. The rest of us have to keep scrolling past them and eventually they drive away any real discussion.

As someone who has been logging in more recently from my mobile, this is a great idea. Also, a mobile version would be great. No avatars. No sigs.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/lofiv...dex.php/f2.html

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Yes. There has to be a way to limit the number of quotes allowed in a reply. I've been on other forums where only the two or three most recent in the quote string show up in new posts. If the argument against this is that it would blur the context of the reply, then I don't buy that. The only people following a 15-quote "conversation" are the two involved and they already know the context. The rest of us have to keep scrolling past them and eventually they drive away any real discussion.

As someone who has been logging in more recently from my mobile, this is a great idea. Also, a mobile version would be great. No avatars. No sigs.

Football Guys LoFi Version. Just for you, #######.

sweet.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The search function continues to be approximately 99.2 percent useless. Something needs to be fixed there.

Being able to search on three-letter keywords would help.

You can do this now if you go into the advanced options and scroll to the bottom.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?act=Search

Google Site Search

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The overall search function works very well from my experience. There are some limitations that may trip people up on occasion though.

 

[JohnnyU]

The search function continues to be approximately 99.2 percent useless. Something needs to be fixed there.

Being able to search on three-letter keywords would help.

You can do this now if you go into the advanced options and scroll to the bottom.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?act=Search

Google Site Search

Search The Footballguys Forums With Google - Allows Searches For Words With <3 Letters - Opens In New Window

The overall search function works very well from my experience. There are some limitations that may trip people up on occasion though.

Kind of hard searching on recent LT2 threads.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Kind of hard searching on recent LT2 threads.

how so? using the word Tomlinson doesn't work?

 

[JohnnyU]

Kind of hard searching on recent LT2 threads.

how so? using the word Tomlinson doesn't work?

A lot of times threads are created with LT2 in the title, not Tomlinson. I like searching the titles, because I don't like getting the threads mentioning Tomlinson but are not really about him. Sometimes he's not mentioned in the body either, just LT2.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Kind of hard searching on recent LT2 threads.

how so? using the word Tomlinson doesn't work?

A lot of times threads are created with LT2 in the title, not Tomlinson. I like searching the titles, because I don't like getting the threads mentioning Tomlinson but are not really about him. Sometimes he's not mentioned in the body either, just LT2.

well, here's the results of a search for all threads with Tomlinson in them:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...te=%2BTomlinson

just looking at the first page, the ones that seem centered on LT2 are titled:

"LT to STAY with San Diego...."

"Ok..what team does LT land on once/if he is cut"

"Donald Brown - parallels to Tomlinson"

"Tomlinson - No plans on retiring anytime soon."

None seem to use the term LT2 but several just use LT.

 

[rzrback77]

Yes. There has to be a way to limit the number of quotes allowed in a reply. I've been on other forums where only the two or three most recent in the quote string show up in new posts. If the argument against this is that it would blur the context of the reply, then I don't buy that. The only people following a 15-quote "conversation" are the two involved and they already know the context. The rest of us have to keep scrolling past them and eventually they drive away any real discussion.

As someone who has been logging in more recently from my mobile, this is a great idea. Also, a mobile version would be great. No avatars. No sigs.

Football Guys LoFi Version. Just for you, #######.

sweet.

I have been using the low-fi version and it is better for just reading, but the multiple quotes kill you on the phone

 

[moleculo]

automatic 24 hour TO for using the word "ploy".

 

[gianmarco]

--H.K. should not be allowed to post in any Jacobs threads.

--Switz should not be allowed to post in any Addai or MJD threads.

--Big Daddy Kane should not be allowed to post in any threads.

That is all

No, but seriously. I suggested this once in the past. I think we should have a rating system. I've seen this in other forums and it can be very helpful. Essentially, every post can be rated either green (good) or red (bad). If someone starts a great thread, either with breaking news or just a fantastic discussion, as more people rate it green, a bar on the main thread page gets larger and larger with green and signifies a thread worth checking out. Similarly, if someone makes a good posting within a thread, scrolling down and skimming through a thread will be easier to catch some very good postings if they are rated green by others. The more green you see, the more people are rating it high.

Likewise, poor threads and poor posts are rated red and can be more easily ignored.

For an example of what I'm talking about, go to Fat Wallet (great site for those who don't know about it). It's a site dedicated to getting good deals while shopping. A quick glance at the main thread page can give you an indication of some very good deals. Lots of red is easy to ignore. Due to the high volume of postings here, it would make skimming through the front page and threads much faster and would also help worthy threads and posts get more traffic than they might otherwise get.

 

[gianmarco]

Oh, another suggestion.

Is there a way to have all the various forums (Shark Pool, ACF, FFA, etc.) be listed in one pull down menu at the top? Unless there is an easier way, right now I have to go from Shark Pool to FFA, I have to click on forums at the top, scroll down, then click on FFA. A simple pull down menu similar to what MFL has would make it easy to switch between forums.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Oh, another suggestion.Is there a way to have all the various forums (Shark Pool, ACF, FFA, etc.) be listed in one pull down menu at the top? Unless there is an easier way, right now I have to go from Shark Pool to FFA, I have to click on forums at the top, scroll down, then click on FFA. A simple pull down menu similar to what MFL has would make it easy to switch between forums.

there's a menu like that in the lower right of the screen.

 

[gianmarco]

Oh, another suggestion.Is there a way to have all the various forums (Shark Pool, ACF, FFA, etc.) be listed in one pull down menu at the top? Unless there is an easier way, right now I have to go from Shark Pool to FFA, I have to click on forums at the top, scroll down, then click on FFA. A simple pull down menu similar to what MFL has would make it easy to switch between forums.

there's a menu like that in the lower right of the screen.

Man you guys are fast in getting these suggestions taken care of

 

[videoguy505]

Consider this a warning Scotty. Do it again and it's a time out.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Half the people are talking dynasty. The other half, re-draft. Hard to tell when; and muddles the picture/thread.

I would definitely start here with any changes...

I understand what you guys are talking about here, but just to flesh it out more. How would you propose we monitor that? It would be redundant to have to duplicate every thread and discuss the merits from both dynasty and redraft. Would having people clearly state whether they were speaking dynasty or redraft help?

As has been said for many years, a dynasty forum would be great. It's ironic that you state redundancy is a concern, because I remember hearing that it wouldn't work because one forum might have a piece of information that the other does not. So which is it? In my opinion, there are enough hardcore players of both redraft and dynasty here to support two completely separate forums with the latest news and analysis.

Agree. It's time.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Half the people are talking dynasty. The other half, re-draft. Hard to tell when; and muddles the picture/thread.

I would definitely start here with any changes...

I understand what you guys are talking about here, but just to flesh it out more. How would you propose we monitor that? It would be redundant to have to duplicate every thread and discuss the merits from both dynasty and redraft. Would having people clearly state whether they were speaking dynasty or redraft help?

As has been said for many years, a dynasty forum would be great. It's ironic that you state redundancy is a concern, because I remember hearing that it wouldn't work because one forum might have a piece of information that the other does not. So which is it? In my opinion, there are enough hardcore players of both redraft and dynasty here to support two completely separate forums with the latest news and analysis.

Agree. It's time.

I also agree.

 

[comfortably numb]

Oh, another suggestion.Is there a way to have all the various forums (Shark Pool, ACF, FFA, etc.) be listed in one pull down menu at the top? Unless there is an easier way, right now I have to go from Shark Pool to FFA, I have to click on forums at the top, scroll down, then click on FFA. A simple pull down menu similar to what MFL has would make it easy to switch between forums.

there's a menu like that in the lower right of the screen.

I usually just change the last number in the address bar2 =shark pool4=ffaetc...

 

[CalBear]

Half the people are talking dynasty. The other half, re-draft. Hard to tell when; and muddles the picture/thread.

I would definitely start here with any changes...

I understand what you guys are talking about here, but just to flesh it out more. How would you propose we monitor that? It would be redundant to have to duplicate every thread and discuss the merits from both dynasty and redraft. Would having people clearly state whether they were speaking dynasty or redraft help?

As has been said for many years, a dynasty forum would be great. It's ironic that you state redundancy is a concern, because I remember hearing that it wouldn't work because one forum might have a piece of information that the other does not. So which is it? In my opinion, there are enough hardcore players of both redraft and dynasty here to support two completely separate forums with the latest news and analysis.

Agree. It's time.

I also agree.

I don't like the dynasty forum idea. Too much of the content need is identical; I think you'll wind up with most people piling into one forum, because that's where the content is (see how dead the ACF is).

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Half the people are talking dynasty. The other half, re-draft. Hard to tell when; and muddles the picture/thread.

I would definitely start here with any changes...

I understand what you guys are talking about here, but just to flesh it out more. How would you propose we monitor that? It would be redundant to have to duplicate every thread and discuss the merits from both dynasty and redraft. Would having people clearly state whether they were speaking dynasty or redraft help?

As has been said for many years, a dynasty forum would be great. It's ironic that you state redundancy is a concern, because I remember hearing that it wouldn't work because one forum might have a piece of information that the other does not. So which is it? In my opinion, there are enough hardcore players of both redraft and dynasty here to support two completely separate forums with the latest news and analysis.

Agree. It's time.

I also agree.

I don't like the dynasty forum idea. Too much of the content need is identical; I think you'll wind up with most people piling into one forum, because that's where the content is (see how dead the ACF is).

You're probably right, but the ACF has been hopping lately.

 

[comfortably numb]

On game day injury news threads.

I would like mods to quickly delete worthless posts.

Nothing more annoying than waiting to read up on your stud RB injury, and you get the following

"Adrian Peterson injury decision will be made during warmups."

"God, I hope he sits, I am playing him in 2 leagues"

"This guy is KILLING ME!@%$!@%$!@^"

"Please keep posts on injury news only"

"Can you say injury prone???!!?!?"

"UGH, now I have to choose between Jamal Lewis and Sammy Morris"

"Thats why my league rulez!!!, we can start a What if player, too bad your in a guppy league"

"ESPN reports ADP will play and see normal work load"

So on Sunday morning when some of us are getting ready to head out somewhere and have a few minutes to scam for the latest news, we have to sift thru the above crap on each injury thread.

It may be hard, but, I wouldn't mind a MOD just deleting worthless posts at least in those particular threads.

 

[fissure man]

Strict moderation of the Shark Pool, less in the FFA.

 

[HellToupee]

Yes. There has to be a way to limit the number of quotes allowed in a reply. I've been on other forums where only the two or three most recent in the quote string show up in new posts. If the argument against this is that it would blur the context of the reply, then I don't buy that. The only people following a 15-quote "conversation" are the two involved and they already know the context. The rest of us have to keep scrolling past them and eventually they drive away any real discussion.

As someone who has been logging in more recently from my mobile, this is a great idea. Also, a mobile version would be great. No avatars. No sigs.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/lofiv...dex.php/f2.html

I wish you could reply to threads while using lo-fi

 

[Bri]

On game day injury news threads.I would like mods to quickly delete worthless posts.Nothing more annoying than waiting to read up on your stud RB injury, and you get the following"Adrian Peterson injury decision will be made during warmups.""God, I hope he sits, I am playing him in 2 leagues""This guy is KILLING ME!@%$!@%$!@^""Please keep posts on injury news only""Can you say injury prone???!!?!?""UGH, now I have to choose between Jamal Lewis and Sammy Morris""Thats why my league rulez!!!, we can start a What if player, too bad your in a guppy league""ESPN reports ADP will play and see normal work load"So on Sunday morning when some of us are getting ready to head out somewhere and have a few minutes to scam for the latest news, we have to sift thru the above crap on each injury thread.It may be hard, but, I wouldn't mind a MOD just deleting worthless posts at least in those particular threads.

I thought this prob was wayyyy better this year

 

[TS Garp]

I'm glad that you guys are asking for feedback and looking for ways to improve what's already a great forum.

I've been visiting the Shark Pool since the beginning, although I don't get to post as much as I'd like. I do think the quality has deteriorated a bit from the good ol' days, but a lot of that is simply due to how popular the site has become. That said, I'd love to see it be more substantive. My biggest gripe (aside from the excessive quoting, as others have pointed out) is that there seems to be so many "I told you so" posts, and old threads getting bumped solely for this reason. Don't get me wrong -- I understand it, but it really goes overboard sometimes and often turns into worthless arguments and petty personal attacks that are tedious to wade through and make me less likely to check out other threads.

I do think a quicker hand in moderating this forum is likely called for, but that can be a slippery slope. Instead, it would be great if there was just a way to encourage people to simply focus on making quality posts. Someone mentioned ratings, and that might be one way. Or possibly even awards of some sort. Not sure exactly -- but it would be great to see people striving to always be respectful and knowledgeable, as opposed to looking for the next opportunity to one-up someone or denigrate another member. I also think it would be useful for the staff to actively talk about what they expect from the Shark Pool; why it was created, what the goals are for it, and give examples (both good and bad).

Just my two cents for the moment.

 

[Bri]

I always thought it'd be an interesting idea to reward(small small amount) whoever posts news first

it'd be interesting to watch how people react to that--and enjoy the benefits of it

 

[Your Mother]

Fewer banner ads for "bang match dot com."

LINK

 

[BuckeyeArt]

One thing that older boards had was the ability for threads to be branched out like a family tree. I want that, I sorely want that. The back N forth that is complained about above, would be grouped together as a series of rebuttals. Those guys can expand that and chatter. The rest of us can leave it minimized and enjoy the rest of the thread. It's hard to explain maybe someone else can link to a tree or explain it better. I think it would be very well received here. Posting Charts/tables here is rough sometimes. I really think FBGs should either spend some time searching the web for such an add-on to the board or pay some freelancer to create one. Its a long time coming and I can't imagine it'd be much money at all. What I'm referring to is someone goes to PFR, clicks reply, and then maybe "add table" and pastes in stats from PFR that furthers the discussion. We've been trying code /code and all sorts of things for years to get them to appear better. Could you at least ask around see if such an add-on exists please?Hope this is helpful

I love these two ideas. I like some of the back and forth and don't want that to totally go away. Sometimes you get something out of those exchanges. But, it would be nice to easily ignore it if I wanted to, especially when it gets personal. With a linear thread, it's too hard to ignore. You tend to just stop reading the thread.Agree on the charts and tables as well. When trying to post a chart, it's a total pain to get it lined up so it's readable. Either a simpler method or detailed instructions about how to do it would allow for better info. I have not posted things in the past because it would take too much time to post the table data.Also would like more dynasty stuff. I think I would like a dynasty only forum as well. I don't think it causes any duplication. I would probably still visit both forums.

 

[lyon812]

The search function continues to be approximately 99.2 percent useless. Something needs to be fixed there.

Being able to search on three-letter keywords would help.

You can do this now if you go into the advanced options and scroll to the bottom.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?act=Search

Google Site Search

Search The Footballguys Forums With Google - Allows Searches For Words With <3 Letters - Opens In New Window

Dude, you're awesome. I never went down that far. Now I can run searches on Dre Bly until my eyes bleed. =)If nothing else, this thread is great for tips 'n tricks.

 

[Zaxxon]

Fewer banner ads for "bang match dot com."

LINK

My Christian ideals were certainly offended.

 

[comfortably numb]

On game day injury news threads.

I would like mods to quickly delete worthless posts.

Nothing more annoying than waiting to read up on your stud RB injury, and you get the following

"Adrian Peterson injury decision will be made during warmups."

"God, I hope he sits, I am playing him in 2 leagues"

"This guy is KILLING ME!@%$!@%$!@^"

"Please keep posts on injury news only"

"Can you say injury prone???!!?!?"

"UGH, now I have to choose between Jamal Lewis and Sammy Morris"

"Thats why my league rulez!!!, we can start a What if player, too bad your in a guppy league"

"ESPN reports ADP will play and see normal work load"

So on Sunday morning when some of us are getting ready to head out somewhere and have a few minutes to scam for the latest news, we have to sift thru the above crap on each injury thread.

It may be hard, but, I wouldn't mind a MOD just deleting worthless posts at least in those particular threads.

I thought this prob was wayyyy better this year

Maybe, but I actually had this thread in mind when I posted.Link

This was brutal, and I dont think I had Sjax involved in any of my games.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

One thing that older boards had was the ability for threads to be branched out like a family tree. I want that, I sorely want that. The back N forth that is complained about above, would be grouped together as a series of rebuttals. Those guys can expand that and chatter. The rest of us can leave it minimized and enjoy the rest of the thread. It's hard to explain maybe someone else can link to a tree or explain it better. I think it would be very well received here.

If you change the forum to "Outline" (top right of the thread, under Options) that should do it for you.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

If people would be more tolerant of a little passionate discussion, things would be fine. The problem is, too many people are overly sensitive, whinny jerks. So what, someone called you an ###. That happens amongst friends all the time. Stop acting like a 12 year old and deal with it. If things get any harsher, then they are going to start suppressing opinions and when that happens, no one wins. I think everyone should stop complaining about any comment that might be tossed around in the midst of a passionate discussion (and whine about it like a child). This place would seem more like a collection of adults and less like a 2nd grade classroom.

Hi Haze,I'm not that familiar with you here, but this forum is just different than most of the forums you'll find. That's just the way it is.As for why that isn't tolerated - it's pretty simple. The goal here is to encourage participation without anyone fearing that they'll be railed on by the rest of the posters. Sure it is "just an anonymous forum", but still people get annoyed by it and emotions flair up. Even worse is that people see it and decide that they don't want that to happen to them so they also don't participate. The forum loses out on what could have been a good contributor - or several.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The search function continues to be approximately 99.2 percent useless. Something needs to be fixed there.

Being able to search on three-letter keywords would help. Something which I thought might be useful is collating all of the "official 2009 [team]" threads in one place/forum. They're usually somewhat active, but not enough to keep them on the first 1-2 pages...which I think discourages conversation between fans. There are also too many self-appointed moderators that act like they're participating in the Stanford Prison Experiment, which creates some of the #####fests. Let the moderators be the police.

As Ruds pointed out, the Google search works well. I think the next iteration of the Invision message boards will include this too.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Consider this a warning Scotty. Do it again and it's a time out.

This is pretty much what we're talking about. This works in the FFA. Not as much here. Try again next week.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think if there were a way to honestly convey to the Shark Poolers that no one cares about their fantasy team, we could clear out a lot of the static and focus on hard data. That's ACF stuff, and should be treated as such.

That's a good point. All SP posts need to pretty much general discussion items. Specific stuff about one's team belongs in the Assistant Coach. J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Good post Jason and good replies. Of course, with this many people, you'll always have requests that are varied and sometimes even opposites, but still we want to hear what you guys are seeing out there.

For certain, there is going to be a much stronger moderating factor. The tool factor has crept up and become way too high. The Shark Pool needs to stay almost soley focused on football discussion and strategy. And less "noise" and BS. It's a fine line as sports talk by it's nature involves giving the other guy a rough time sometimes. But it needs to stay way more on Football talk. And less on the comedy attempt comebacks.

J

I am so screwed.....Edit to add: I think more moderation is fine. I like warnings, either in the thread or PM for stuff that deserves a warning. I do think that sometimes people have opinions just based on their gut and watching the games or players. I understand that sometimes stats or facts will "overrule" those "gut feels", but I worry about moderation of those type of opinions. Having said that, anything to stop the silly attacks on an opinion different than yours.

That brings up a good point - it would be awesome if we could do warnings and really stay close to people. The reality is that we don't have the manpower. Most warnings turn into a multiple PM back and forth exchange that we honestly don't have the manpower for.Most people know the rules. When they cant' follow the rules, they'll be suspended. I'm sorry that's harsh. But that's the reality of what we are dealing with.

J

That's the thing, I think most people would be just fine with harsher/quicker time outs for those mouthing off in the SP. We have the FFA for that. If someone wants to DB it up, head over to the FFA, pick a side on religion or politics and get down and dirty. It's a great place to get that sort of debate and argument out of one's system. I think of it as free therapy. Less of that debate and argument in my non iLife as I get it out of my system in the FFA. But in the Shark pool, let's put the hammer down when people can't come back with a reasonable argument and revert to being junior high punks. People that can't remove themselves from the discussion and take it personal need to know quickly that it will not be tolerated and why. It's just an anonymous forum about Fantasy Football not an anonymous forum discussing the proper way to grill a steak or anything!?!?!

Also, I think some direct feedback in the post to not only the offender but to the rest of the board as well to explain what is allowed and what isn't will help everyone. I hear about bannings all the time and when someone explains why someone was banned it's usually colored down a bit. Leaves the reason for the banning up the imagination too much. Put it out there for the world to see. Draw the lines in the sand and make sure the rest of the forum knows where that lines are.

One thing I worry about though is tougher moderation in the SP spilling over to the FFA. I think there should be more leeway in the FFA as the name sort of implies...

Seriously? How can you have harsher, tougher moderation? Things are quick and harsh here. I think too much so. If people would be more tolerant of a little passionate discussion, things would be fine. The problem is, too many people are overly sensitive, whinny jerks.

So what, someone called you an ###. That happens amongst friends all the time. Stop acting like a 12 year old and deal with it.

If things get any harsher, then they are going to start suppressing opinions and when that happens, no one wins.

I think everyone should stop complaining about any comment that might be tossed around in the midst of a passionate discussion (and whine about it like a child). This place would seem more like a collection of adults and less like a 2nd grade classroom.

Thanks. I hear exactly what you're saying but I'm afraid we're not the board for you. Good luck and I hope you find one that is more what you're looking for.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

The search function continues to be approximately 99.2 percent useless. Something needs to be fixed there.

Being able to search on three-letter keywords would help. Something which I thought might be useful is collating all of the "official 2009 [team]" threads in one place/forum. They're usually somewhat active, but not enough to keep them on the first 1-2 pages...which I think discourages conversation between fans. There are also too many self-appointed moderators that act like they're participating in the Stanford Prison Experiment, which creates some of the #####fests. Let the moderators be the police.

As Ruds pointed out, the Google search works well. I think the next iteration of the Invision message boards will include this too.

Yes. Actually, I think Keith can add the google search on this version of the board software. We'll see.J

 

[Jason Wood]

Thanks for the honest responses so far guys. As Joe mentioned, we can't accommodate everyone's ideas but we'll certainly work hard to do what makes sense and is manageable. I'm refreshed to hear so many people calling for active moderation in the Shark Pool. I know years ago some of us [myself included] probably had too heavy a hand with moderation in other forums, but I think as time has progressed we have come to recognize that not all the forums are created equally.

 

[Oh Noes]

Thanks for the honest responses so far guys. As Joe mentioned, we can't accommodate everyone's ideas but we'll certainly work hard to do what makes sense and is manageable. I'm refreshed to hear so many people calling for active moderation in the Shark Pool. I know years ago some of us [myself included] probably had too heavy a hand with moderation in other forums, but I think as time has progressed we have come to recognize that not all the forums are created equally.

years ago? Probably? Progressed?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Good post Jason and good replies. Of course, with this many people, you'll always have requests that are varied and sometimes even opposites, but still we want to hear what you guys are seeing out there.

For certain, there is going to be a much stronger moderating factor. The tool factor has crept up and become way too high. The Shark Pool needs to stay almost soley focused on football discussion and strategy. And less "noise" and BS. It's a fine line as sports talk by it's nature involves giving the other guy a rough time sometimes. But it needs to stay way more on Football talk. And less on the comedy attempt comebacks.

J

I am so screwed.....Edit to add: I think more moderation is fine. I like warnings, either in the thread or PM for stuff that deserves a warning. I do think that sometimes people have opinions just based on their gut and watching the games or players. I understand that sometimes stats or facts will "overrule" those "gut feels", but I worry about moderation of those type of opinions. Having said that, anything to stop the silly attacks on an opinion different than yours.

That brings up a good point - it would be awesome if we could do warnings and really stay close to people. The reality is that we don't have the manpower. Most warnings turn into a multiple PM back and forth exchange that we honestly don't have the manpower for.Most people know the rules. When they cant' follow the rules, they'll be suspended. I'm sorry that's harsh. But that's the reality of what we are dealing with.

J

Understood. I don't think most people really want the staff wasting their time on stuff like this when they can be posting about football. If the cops who are on homicide have to spend a bunch of time handing out parking tickets, then they're not spending as much time solving homicides.

That analogy sucks and you're an idiot.An example of what should constitute the following message in the post along with a time out:

Due to this post it has been deemed that TheFanatic has failed to follow the rules of the Shark Pool and will be unable to post for a period of 48 hours

Everyone will know exactly why I crossed the line and it will reinforce in them why they should not make similar posts

Oh, and sorry CB. Just using your post as an example to prove a point. I don't think you're an idiot....

np. I'm not sure it was a good analogy. I tend to go for humor sometimes, which worries me if they cut down on it.

 

[Bri]

I thought this prob was wayyyy better this year

Maybe, but I actually had this thread in mind when I posted.Link

This was brutal, and I dont think I had Sjax involved in any of my games.

It doesn't look good, I agree.give the mods a chance on this though.

Andy Hicks is awesome on Sunday with starting threads and restricting news. Very underappreciated guy around here IMO. Similarly, several mods will react quick to BS in those threads if you point it out. I believe they(correctly) feel it's one of the best sources for "last minute" news and they're sorta going to protect that.....well one of them can chime in, that's the way it seems.

Might be no way to point this out to you now but I implore you to point this out to them in September and see how it goes

 

[Bri]

Yes. Actually, I think Keith can add the google search on this version of the board software. We'll see.J

please tell Memphis/Keith to check Google's code blog as a new search API came out not too long ago. As a coder, this would probably open up his eyes wide to possibilities.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Half the people are talking dynasty. The other half, re-draft. Hard to tell when; and muddles the picture/thread.

I would definitely start here with any changes...

I understand what you guys are talking about here, but just to flesh it out more. How would you propose we monitor that? It would be redundant to have to duplicate every thread and discuss the merits from both dynasty and redraft. Would having people clearly state whether they were speaking dynasty or redraft help?

As has been said for many years, a dynasty forum would be great. It's ironic that you state redundancy is a concern, because I remember hearing that it wouldn't work because one forum might have a piece of information that the other does not. So which is it? In my opinion, there are enough hardcore players of both redraft and dynasty here to support two completely separate forums with the latest news and analysis.

Agree. It's time.

I also agree.

I disagree. I think using the [Dynasty] tag in the header is fine. Heck, add a [PPR] tag and we'd be good to go.

 

[Bri]

One thing that older boards had was the ability for threads to be branched out like a family tree. I want that, I sorely want that. The back N forth that is complained about above, would be grouped together as a series of rebuttals. Those guys can expand that and chatter. The rest of us can leave it minimized and enjoy the rest of the thread. It's hard to explain maybe someone else can link to a tree or explain it better. I think it would be very well received here.

If you change the forum to "Outline" (top right of the thread, under Options) that should do it for you.

COOL, thanks JPIt was right under my nose tooStill, I gotta ask that someone look at setting or modifications or something with that. Super close but it looks more likeJPBRIJPBRIJPBRIrather than:JP***BRI*****JP********BRIthat's great, can it be tweaked just a smidge please

 

[jwb]

I think if there were a way to honestly convey to the Shark Poolers that no one cares about their fantasy team, we could clear out a lot of the static and focus on hard data. That's ACF stuff, and should be treated as such.

That's a good point. All SP posts need to pretty much general discussion items. Specific stuff about one's team belongs in the Assistant Coach. J

I disagree with this point a little bit - I think in the context of discussing players in FF, player value has a place there. Many times, I find it useful to hear someone traded X for Y in a discussion about X (or Y). I would hate to see that kind of post flat-out discouraged. Now, if you want to start a thread saying "what is player x worth in a trade", yea, THAT belongs in the AC. A few more points to add to the discussion:Instead of a dynasty forum (trust me guys, you don't want another forum - it'll kill the SP), I'd love to see a dynasty post icon. Us dynasty guys are here now, and we'd all learn it soon enough. Or, if you like discussing dynasty primarily, do what I do at the end of my sig.No posting of pics (I think someone mentioned that). That would be horrible.I'd love to see more snipping of quotes. For such an active, established forum, it somewhat surprises me that people here don't snip (as it's proper netiquette from the days when bandwidth usage was a concern). Speaking of netiquette, I'm all for more moderation. I really like this place because of the moderation, and think it could even be stepped up a bit more in the SP. I'm fine with the amount of moderation in the FFA - there, you've achived a nice balance between "say what you want" and "don't be a jerk". Someone suggested collapsing/nesting (whatever you want to call it) of topics. It's ok, but it kills discussion, as it hides posts until you click on the particular branch. Yes, it'd be useful when an interesting thread devolves into 19 straight posts about whether so-and-so is a good FF QB, but hopefully, that kind of branch won't happen as much. Some people have come down on straight opinion-based posts. I think they are fine, as long as some type of reasoning is given. Personally, I'm not going to crunch numbers much. Gianmarco or EBF will. But I'm also not going to say "player xxx is lousy" and leave it at that. I'll give some kind of reasoning That's all for now.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Instead of a dynasty forum (trust me guys, you don't want another forum - it'll kill the SP), I'd love to see a dynasty post icon. Us dynasty guys are here now, and we'd all learn it soon enough. Or, if you like discussing dynasty primarily, do what I do at the end of my sig.

The crown is supposed to be for Dynasty.I agree that segmenting the forum(s) is not the way to go.

 

[jwb]

I think using the [Dynasty] tag in the header is fine. Heck, add a [PPR] tag and we'd be good to go.

There's a [Dynasty] tag? Or is it just something we write in (that'll never happen widespread for the most part) I just suggested a dynasty icon (actually, I'd like to see a big DYNASTY button), but if there's currently a tag/button/option that I'm somehow missing, let me know

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Half the people are talking dynasty. The other half, re-draft. Hard to tell when; and muddles the picture/thread.

I would definitely start here with any changes...

I understand what you guys are talking about here, but just to flesh it out more. How would you propose we monitor that? It would be redundant to have to duplicate every thread and discuss the merits from both dynasty and redraft. Would having people clearly state whether they were speaking dynasty or redraft help?

As has been said for many years, a dynasty forum would be great. It's ironic that you state redundancy is a concern, because I remember hearing that it wouldn't work because one forum might have a piece of information that the other does not. So which is it? In my opinion, there are enough hardcore players of both redraft and dynasty here to support two completely separate forums with the latest news and analysis.

Agree. It's time.

I also agree.

I don't like the dynasty forum idea. Too much of the content need is identical; I think you'll wind up with most people piling into one forum, because that's where the content is (see how dead the ACF is).

Disagree. And there's no harm in at least trying to fix it, is there? As it stands, every thread contains this divisive line between the re-drafters, and the dynasty guys. It continually interrupts the flow. Heck, I would guess that's half the reason everybody quotes each other so much - because there are two different conversations going on in each thread.I also think that there are so many posters/guests on here that you may not have everyone piling into one forum, like you say. In fact, you might even see more people come out of the woodwork.

Regardless, the biggest reason is my first point. That confusion isn't going away. And nothing wrong with giving it a shot...

 

[Zow]

On Sundays I think most of us are looking for the latest injury news. Is there any way we can require a poster list itssource (and maybe punish him if it's not legit?)? I'm not trying to sound like a complainer here, but I relied on some info here that wound up to be speculation that I relied on and based a poor decision on. Yes, this is partly my fault but let's protect each other here.