Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (1 Viewer)

[OldBill]

Bouncer from a bar Holmes frequented said that Holmes usually kept to himself, never really was with anybody. Said he was "always alone." Said he would come in 1 or 2 times a week for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. Then he wouldn't show up for a month or more at a time.

Honestly, I do that too...at a movie theater that serves beer.

:reported:

If you want to turn this tragedy in which 12 people died, into a joke, go somewhere else. Your last two posts in here were unnecessary.

 

[CrossEyed]

Do these reporters not listen? They are asking questions about information that was already given.

 

[OldBill]

New York connection explained - Aurora police Chief used to work for the NYPD.

 

[Sweet Love]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

My guess is because, the second someone says "mentally ill" the sentence gets cut in half (on a good day). I agree, everyone here thinks there is something wrong with the guy, but "mentally ill" is so broad a concept on general, yet in the courts, it is very specific and almost always results in a reduction of sentence. I think folks are touchy about that, and I don't blame them.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Police chief is on now and hasnt mentioned the hair/joker thing.

The guy was wearing full on tactical gear. Helmet, gas mask, groin protector, vest, gloves, etc.

AR-15, Remmington 12gauge, two .40cal glocks.

 

[OldBill]

Next update/press conference coming up at 7pm mtn time.

 

[ffldrew]

Nice cop out.

There's no need for this.

Then answer the question. From what I can tell this guy hasn't been on anyone's radar re: mental issues his entire life. How would we possibly have detected this? Give me one plausible scenario. How would it work? Are we going to do mental health evaluations of EVERY person in the country? If so, how frequently? And if we even slightly suspect they might be a danger how do we approach it if they haven't done anything wrong and don't want treatment? Are you going to force it on them? I just think it's a cop out to use this tragic situation to suggest that it could have been prevented had we "done more." Because in this case I don't think there was anything that would have prevented this.

Even the co-worker that helped police investigate my brother felt she'd gather evidence that would clear him. She couldn't fathom that he could be violent. He was just quiet and awkward.

I'm not sure how we could detect this given the current state of affairs with our mental health system and how society treats those when they a person runs into problems- it needs a 180 degree turnaround in my opinion. We need to start better processes and protocols that start with recognition of symptoms - and that continues on into cures/mitigation - right now we seem to just do what we can and get you out of the system as soon as we can because we try to "look away" - it's seen as being a failure and when you get tagged as a failure you are starting to drown in this world we live in. We kick you out because of the cost factor and because it's hard, real hard to find a "cure". We as a society don't do the real hard things well - just look at all the hard questions asked above.But it is not a cop out to ask these questions - far, far from it - something could have helped, even here. Someone looked the other way somewhere along the way.

I don't see what we could do without becoming a fascist society. You can't simply identify people you think have problems and take them away for treatment.

I don't think you have to go that way. I'm talking about a complete change that I believe would help mitigate these types of things - and certainly have a much better effect than more gun laws or a death penalty has had up until now.At some point in time could this guy have checked out and had some of his issues looked at? It obviously took a bit of time to get to this point - where was the genesis? If at that time had our society not put a stigma on mental issues to begin with could he have asked for help? Maybe - is that maybe worth it? If we had a system that helped you as a family or friend talk someone into getting some help at an early stage - without as many barriers/cost as there are today - would it be worth it. I am not saying my solution would have stopped ALL of this- but is this type of examination into our approach to mental health and possible solutions including the cost better than some alternatives? I'm pretty sure we have tried all the laws we can - guns aren't going away - you can kill the guy in an electric chair but it doesn't stop the next guy - is there a new way to get there? Can we afford it or do we just react like we have done over and over.

I don't know what kind of system that would be. Are you suggesting something like having therapy be one of the classes at schools?

How about getting rid of the stiff upper lip - chip chip cheerio attitude when you are facing problems to start with. It's attitude first, how our society values mental health- if I think I need to deal with it I can go somewhere - take a time out if needed to get it. No questions asked - no stigma - no failure - no costs. If I'm a kid and my parents are struggling - we can build an open door to help both the kid and/or the parent. But not a system that just tries to move you through and throw back out like we have today. It may be a lifelong pursuit - it will take a total 180. It may be a pipedream - but at least an attitude adjustment is needed in my opinion one that opens a persons mind to help them recognize issues and the need for help at an early stage.

 

[eoMMan]

Bouncer from a bar Holmes frequented said that Holmes usually kept to himself, never really was with anybody. Said he was "always alone." Said he would come in 1 or 2 times a week for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. Then he wouldn't show up for a month or more at a time.

Honestly, I do that too...at a movie theater that serves beer.

:reported:

If you want to turn this tragedy in which 12 people died, into a joke, go somewhere else. Your last two posts in here were unnecessary.

Chill.And who's alias are you?

 

[Apple Jack]

Next update/press conference coming up at 7pm mtn time.

You might want to think about taking a step back. Bad things happen everyday.

 

[bosoxs45]

Pretty sure this will get more media coverage then the Libor scandal.

 

[John Bender]

The police chief came off as kind of a Richard.

 

[NCCommish]

The police chief came off as kind of a Richard.

Tough day. Seems like a good time to cut people slack.

 

[netnalp]

Nice cop out.

There's no need for this.

Then answer the question. From what I can tell this guy hasn't been on anyone's radar re: mental issues his entire life. How would we possibly have detected this? Give me one plausible scenario. How would it work? Are we going to do mental health evaluations of EVERY person in the country? If so, how frequently? And if we even slightly suspect they might be a danger how do we approach it if they haven't done anything wrong and don't want treatment? Are you going to force it on them? I just think it's a cop out to use this tragic situation to suggest that it could have been prevented had we "done more." Because in this case I don't think there was anything that would have prevented this.

Even the co-worker that helped police investigate my brother felt she'd gather evidence that would clear him. She couldn't fathom that he could be violent. He was just quiet and awkward.

I'm not sure how we could detect this given the current state of affairs with our mental health system and how society treats those when they a person runs into problems- it needs a 180 degree turnaround in my opinion. We need to start better processes and protocols that start with recognition of symptoms - and that continues on into cures/mitigation - right now we seem to just do what we can and get you out of the system as soon as we can because we try to "look away" - it's seen as being a failure and when you get tagged as a failure you are starting to drown in this world we live in. We kick you out because of the cost factor and because it's hard, real hard to find a "cure". We as a society don't do the real hard things well - just look at all the hard questions asked above.But it is not a cop out to ask these questions - far, far from it - something could have helped, even here. Someone looked the other way somewhere along the way.

I don't see what we could do without becoming a fascist society. You can't simply identify people you think have problems and take them away for treatment.

I don't think you have to go that way. I'm talking about a complete change that I believe would help mitigate these types of things - and certainly have a much better effect than more gun laws or a death penalty has had up until now.At some point in time could this guy have checked out and had some of his issues looked at? It obviously took a bit of time to get to this point - where was the genesis? If at that time had our society not put a stigma on mental issues to begin with could he have asked for help? Maybe - is that maybe worth it? If we had a system that helped you as a family or friend talk someone into getting some help at an early stage - without as many barriers/cost as there are today - would it be worth it. I am not saying my solution would have stopped ALL of this- but is this type of examination into our approach to mental health and possible solutions including the cost better than some alternatives? I'm pretty sure we have tried all the laws we can - guns aren't going away - you can kill the guy in an electric chair but it doesn't stop the next guy - is there a new way to get there? Can we afford it or do we just react like we have done over and over.

I don't know what kind of system that would be. Are you suggesting something like having therapy be one of the classes at schools?

How about getting rid of the stiff upper lip - chip chip cheerio attitude when you are facing problems to start with. It's attitude first, how our society values mental health- if I think I need to deal with it I can go somewhere - take a time out if needed to get it. No questions asked - no stigma - no failure - no costs. If I'm a kid and my parents are struggling - we can build an open door to help both the kid and/or the parent. But not a system that just tries to move you through and throw back out like we have today. It may be a lifelong pursuit - it will take a total 180. It may be a pipedream - but at least an attitude adjustment is needed in my opinion one that opens a persons mind to help them recognize issues and the need for help at an early stage.

Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand. To build a culture that values the well being, quality of life and mental health over one that is like so focused on monetary gains or costs. Or it can embrace both. I don't think it has to be an either or thing. Like the Swiss or Swedes,one of those has mandatory vacations and the culture seems to value unwinding and taking time to work on yourself. The people in the documentary I saw seemed to be what I'd call spiritual but not religious.

 

[wikkidpissah]

How about getting rid of the stiff upper lip - chip chip cheerio attitude when you are facing problems to start with. It's attitude first, how our society values mental health- if I think I need to deal with it I can go somewhere - take a time out if needed to get it. No questions asked - no stigma - no failure - no costs. If I'm a kid and my parents are struggling - we can build an open door to help both the kid and/or the parent. But not a system that just tries to move you through and throw back out like we have today. It may be a lifelong pursuit - it will take a total 180. It may be a pipedream - but at least an attitude adjustment is needed in my opinion one that opens a persons mind to help them recognize issues and the need for help at an early stage.

couldnt disagree more - problem-tolerance skills have never been more needed. a generation of access to the problems of others has our upper lip looser than JarJar Binks's. next to a reason to win, the most aspired-to personal currency is a safe excuse for losing and modern society, media & healthcare are climbing over each other to provide this commodity to an American public headed straight for loserhood.

 

[John Bender]

The police chief came off as kind of a Richard.

Tough day. Seems like a good time to cut people slack.

Probably right.

 

[Kanil]

I just heard they're charging him with 10 counts of 1st degree murder and 61 counts of attempted 1st degree murder.

 

[netnalp]

I wonder if I'll feel uncomfortable in a 3-D theater. "Is this part of the movie" will pop into my head at least briefly.

 

[CBusAlex]

My guess is because, the second someone says "mentally ill" the sentence gets cut in half (on a good day). I agree, everyone here thinks there is something wrong with the guy, but "mentally ill" is so broad a concept on general, yet in the courts, it is very specific and almost always results in a reduction of sentence. I think folks are touchy about that, and I don't blame them.

I don't believe this is accurate. It is my impression that insanity is nearly impossible to use as a legal defense, and those who are legitimately crazy enough for it don't get reduced sentances, they get ####ing committed.

 

[timschochet]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

Because it is an asinine point until more info comes out. Folks will form initial opinions that differ on any number of possible topics related to the incident. Why do you jump in every page or two and attempt to turn the conversation towards tangential topics like this or the role sex/upbringing... impact this type of behavior. We are still in the information gathering phase. Give it a rest.

simma down timma

I didn't regard it as tangential to refer to this guy as mentally ill. I figured it was simply a reasonable assumption. The sex question was tangential, but so what? Am I really somehow interfering in the "information gathering stage" by raising these questions? I raised them, got some interesting responses, and that's what makes this forum worthwhile to me. If I simply want the news I'll go to CNN.com. Some of you whine way too much, and it's probably because you have little else of substance to offer. Take your own advice (bolded).

 

[John Bender]

Classy stuff here on twitter

 

[HellToupee]

I wonder if I'll feel uncomfortable in a 3-D theater. "Is this part of the movie" will pop into my head at least briefly.

Really? Might want to wait to see the movie if you are going to be taken out of it mentally

 

[Don Quixote]

Classy stuff here on twitter

To save it for posterity when it is deleted:

@celebboutique: #Aurora is trending, clearly about our Kim K inspired #Aurora dress Shop: [link removed]

 

[HellToupee]

Classy stuff here on twitter

um whatever floats your boat there fellA

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

 

[netnalp]

I wonder if I'll feel uncomfortable in a 3-D theater. "Is this part of the movie" will pop into my head at least briefly.

Really? Might want to wait to see the movie if you are going to be taken out of it mentally

It'll be more like one of those things where you see a scary movie and glance into the back seat before getting into the car. If you've ever done that. Nothings going to happen it's just like a goofy reflex.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

Maybe if the sodas in the movie theater had been smaller, this never would have happened.

 

[timschochet]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

 

[NCCommish]

Classy stuff here on twitter

To save it for posterity when it is deleted:

@celebboutique: #Aurora is trending, clearly about our Kim K inspired #Aurora dress Shop: [link removed]

Yeah that was done with little thought.

 

[Rayderr]

Do these reporters not listen? They are asking questions about information that was already given.

TV and radio reporters do this so later on when it's edited into a package, you'll hear them ask the question and then the answer. Makes it seem like they were the ones asking the important questions.

 

[ATC1]

Yeah Im a pro gun guy. But in a situation like that wear freaking tear gas went off, if everyone with a ccw started pulling out their gun and firing, innocents would be killed and hurt and Im sure something like "well he had a gun out, I thought he was the shooter" when you take out another guy trying to find the perp. Ugh.

I'm pro-gun. I just think most gun owners overestimate their abilities to safely use their gun for protection. I think it takes a lot of training to develop and maintain those skills. Cops I know say they wouldn't feel comfortable if they didn't practice real life scenarios every couple of months.

In a crowded situation "friendly fire" & the cops thinking you are the bad guy could come into play.

All

 

[ffldrew]

Nice cop out.

There's no need for this.

Then answer the question. From what I can tell this guy hasn't been on anyone's radar re: mental issues his entire life. How would we possibly have detected this? Give me one plausible scenario. How would it work? Are we going to do mental health evaluations of EVERY person in the country? If so, how frequently? And if we even slightly suspect they might be a danger how do we approach it if they haven't done anything wrong and don't want treatment? Are you going to force it on them? I just think it's a cop out to use this tragic situation to suggest that it could have been prevented had we "done more." Because in this case I don't think there was anything that would have prevented this.

Even the co-worker that helped police investigate my brother felt she'd gather evidence that would clear him. She couldn't fathom that he could be violent. He was just quiet and awkward.

I'm not sure how we could detect this given the current state of affairs with our mental health system and how society treats those when they a person runs into problems- it needs a 180 degree turnaround in my opinion. We need to start better processes and protocols that start with recognition of symptoms - and that continues on into cures/mitigation - right now we seem to just do what we can and get you out of the system as soon as we can because we try to "look away" - it's seen as being a failure and when you get tagged as a failure you are starting to drown in this world we live in. We kick you out because of the cost factor and because it's hard, real hard to find a "cure". We as a society don't do the real hard things well - just look at all the hard questions asked above.But it is not a cop out to ask these questions - far, far from it - something could have helped, even here. Someone looked the other way somewhere along the way.

I don't see what we could do without becoming a fascist society. You can't simply identify people you think have problems and take them away for treatment.

I don't think you have to go that way. I'm talking about a complete change that I believe would help mitigate these types of things - and certainly have a much better effect than more gun laws or a death penalty has had up until now.At some point in time could this guy have checked out and had some of his issues looked at? It obviously took a bit of time to get to this point - where was the genesis? If at that time had our society not put a stigma on mental issues to begin with could he have asked for help? Maybe - is that maybe worth it? If we had a system that helped you as a family or friend talk someone into getting some help at an early stage - without as many barriers/cost as there are today - would it be worth it. I am not saying my solution would have stopped ALL of this- but is this type of examination into our approach to mental health and possible solutions including the cost better than some alternatives? I'm pretty sure we have tried all the laws we can - guns aren't going away - you can kill the guy in an electric chair but it doesn't stop the next guy - is there a new way to get there? Can we afford it or do we just react like we have done over and over.

I don't know what kind of system that would be. Are you suggesting something like having therapy be one of the classes at schools?

How about getting rid of the stiff upper lip - chip chip cheerio attitude when you are facing problems to start with. It's attitude first, how our society values mental health- if I think I need to deal with it I can go somewhere - take a time out if needed to get it. No questions asked - no stigma - no failure - no costs. If I'm a kid and my parents are struggling - we can build an open door to help both the kid and/or the parent. But not a system that just tries to move you through and throw back out like we have today. It may be a lifelong pursuit - it will take a total 180. It may be a pipedream - but at least an attitude adjustment is needed in my opinion one that opens a persons mind to help them recognize issues and the need for help at an early stage.

Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand. To build a culture that values the well being, quality of life and mental health over one that is like so focused on monetary gains or costs. Or it can embrace both. I don't think it has to be an either or thing.Like the Swiss or Swedes,one of those has mandatory vacations and the culture seems to value unwinding and taking time to work on yourself. The people in the documentary I saw seemed to be what I'd call spiritual but not religious.

An excellent start - The US has the lowest time off of any first world society.

 

[beavers]

This is depressing. I hate people sometimes.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

Well there you go. He's the ultimate does as I say, I know what's best for you guy. He's a narcissist and megalomaniac. I consider him quite dangerous to freedom.

 

[jamny]

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned a witness who saw a man get a phone call, get up and open the emergency door. There was speculation that it was an accomplice. Newest info seems that it's the gunman himself who faked getting a phone call and was the one to get up and go to the door.

 

[NCCommish]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

Well there you go. He's the ultimate does as I say, I know what's best for you guy. He's a narcissist and megalomaniac. I consider him quite dangerous to freedom.

I just read the whole transcript of what he said today. Can you explain to me what part was so outrageous and anti-freedom?

 

[Johnny Bing]

The death penalty would be too quick for this individual.

Very sad situation for the families.

 

[Slapdash]

I copied and pasted this from reddit. This is after the Columbine massacre and I think still holds true while people start looking for a scapegoat. Sorry if it's been posted.Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?by Marilyn MansonIt is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dip####s Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, #######, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bull####. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his ##### and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time.MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999)

This is brilliant.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

Well there you go. He's the ultimate does as I say, I know what's best for you guy. He's a narcissist and megalomaniac. I consider him quite dangerous to freedom.

I just read the whole transcript of what he said today. Can you explain to me what part was so outrageous and anti-freedom?

I haven't. I just heard a clip on the radio asking what Obama and/or Romney was going to do about this. It isn't so much about guns, hell I haven't shot one in 15 years at least, it's his whole M.O. as I stated above. Just can't stand the guy. I'll make my own decisions, thanks.

 

[ffldrew]

How about getting rid of the stiff upper lip - chip chip cheerio attitude when you are facing problems to start with. It's attitude first, how our society values mental health- if I think I need to deal with it I can go somewhere - take a time out if needed to get it. No questions asked - no stigma - no failure - no costs. If I'm a kid and my parents are struggling - we can build an open door to help both the kid and/or the parent. But not a system that just tries to move you through and throw back out like we have today. It may be a lifelong pursuit - it will take a total 180. It may be a pipedream - but at least an attitude adjustment is needed in my opinion one that opens a persons mind to help them recognize issues and the need for help at an early stage.

couldnt disagree more - problem-tolerance skills have never been more needed. a generation of access to the problems of others has our upper lip looser than JarJar Binks's. next to a reason to win, the most aspired-to personal currency is a safe excuse for losing and modern society, media & healthcare are climbing over each other to provide this commodity to an American public headed straight for loserhood.

Interesting take - not sure bout this"access to the problems of others" .I guess where you are going is you have to be a winner or loser. But how do we handle failure? - some react well and get back on the horse, which is what you are "taught" to do. Others they don't do so well, something got in the way in their brains and because they were taught to get back going - they do it or quit and accept it. Some act out . I know of a young man who had it all - valdictorian, captain of a NCAA hockey team , a national scholar athlete winner - sounds like this guy in Aurora in a way - went to med school and without me knowing all the details he was not following the path on the an MD recently - he didn't act out like this guy but he ended his life a couple of weeks ago. Was he a failure? Hell no- but in his mind who knows - there was a stigma to going and getting real help - and it wouldn't hurt if we valued a persons worth to society differently - but I doubt that it would go over well But this guy in Aurora who knows- but it sounds familiar now that more comes out and the stigma attached to asking for help seems to be there. We all go through hurt and if we had a system of help and understanding and a way to rebuild without it without being left to drown- it might be more affective than more gun laws and other rules. And here is another thing - they just came on TV and are offering all this trauma help to the victims and mental health pros, etc - AFTER the fact. I just wish we could find a way to be proactive - even a little bit would help.

 

[NCCommish]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

Well there you go. He's the ultimate does as I say, I know what's best for you guy. He's a narcissist and megalomaniac. I consider him quite dangerous to freedom.

I just read the whole transcript of what he said today. Can you explain to me what part was so outrageous and anti-freedom?

I haven't. I just heard a clip on the radio asking what Obama and/or Romney was going to do about this. It isn't so much about guns, hell I haven't shot one in 15 years at least, it's his whole M.O. as I stated above. Just can't stand the guy. I'll make my own decisions, thanks.

Well here's the whole part that clip is from:

Mayor Bloomberg: You know, soothing words are nice, but maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be President of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country. And everybody always says, ‘Isn’t it tragic,’ and you know, we look for was the guy, as you said, maybe trying to recreate Batman. I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop. And instead of the two people – President Obama and Governor Romney – talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place, okay, tell us how. And this is a real problem. No matter where you stand on the Second Amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them concretely, not just in generalities – specifically what are they going to do about guns? I can tell you what we do here in New York. The State Legislature passed the toughest gun laws – some states may say no. That’s okay, what do you want to do? And maybe every Governor should stand up. But in the end, it is really the leadership at a national level, which is whoever is going to be President of the United States starting next January 1st – what are they going to do about guns?

Now the mayor and I have big differences but that's pretty hard to get worked up about for me. I mean we average 20 mass shootings a year. That's horrendous. Something does need to be done don't you think?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

Well there you go. He's the ultimate does as I say, I know what's best for you guy. He's a narcissist and megalomaniac. I consider him quite dangerous to freedom.

I just read the whole transcript of what he said today. Can you explain to me what part was so outrageous and anti-freedom?

I haven't. I just heard a clip on the radio asking what Obama and/or Romney was going to do about this. It isn't so much about guns, hell I haven't shot one in 15 years at least, it's his whole M.O. as I stated above. Just can't stand the guy. I'll make my own decisions, thanks.

Well here's the whole part that clip is from:

Mayor Bloomberg: You know, soothing words are nice, but maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be President of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country. And everybody always says, ‘Isn’t it tragic,’ and you know, we look for was the guy, as you said, maybe trying to recreate Batman. I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop. And instead of the two people – President Obama and Governor Romney – talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place, okay, tell us how. And this is a real problem. No matter where you stand on the Second Amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them concretely, not just in generalities – specifically what are they going to do about guns? I can tell you what we do here in New York. The State Legislature passed the toughest gun laws – some states may say no. That’s okay, what do you want to do? And maybe every Governor should stand up. But in the end, it is really the leadership at a national level, which is whoever is going to be President of the United States starting next January 1st – what are they going to do about guns?

Now the mayor and I have big differences but that's pretty hard to get worked up about for me. I mean we average 20 mass shootings a year. That's horrendous. Something does need to be done don't you think?

All I heard was the first line. I agree with you.

However, what do you want done? You can't legislate crazy. Personally, I'm totally serious here, make prostitution legal. I'm guessing there is a good portion of these psychos that wouldn't do this if they could get laid.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Personally, I'm totally serious here, make prostitution legal. I'm guessing there is a good portion of these psychos that wouldn't do this if they could get laid.

I'm in favor of decriminalizing prostitution too, but this seems like a stretch.

 

[NCCommish]

I would just like to say that I hate Michael Bloomberg with the fury of a billion women scorned.

I like him quite a bit. And I think he strikes a chord here, even if I disagree with his specifics- the majority of Americans would like to see something done about gun violence. The question is what? I wouldn't be against more gun laws if they worked. But they don't work.

Well there you go. He's the ultimate does as I say, I know what's best for you guy. He's a narcissist and megalomaniac. I consider him quite dangerous to freedom.

I just read the whole transcript of what he said today. Can you explain to me what part was so outrageous and anti-freedom?

I haven't. I just heard a clip on the radio asking what Obama and/or Romney was going to do about this. It isn't so much about guns, hell I haven't shot one in 15 years at least, it's his whole M.O. as I stated above. Just can't stand the guy. I'll make my own decisions, thanks.

Well here's the whole part that clip is from:

Mayor Bloomberg: You know, soothing words are nice, but maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be President of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country. And everybody always says, ‘Isn’t it tragic,’ and you know, we look for was the guy, as you said, maybe trying to recreate Batman. I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop. And instead of the two people – President Obama and Governor Romney – talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place, okay, tell us how. And this is a real problem. No matter where you stand on the Second Amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them concretely, not just in generalities – specifically what are they going to do about guns? I can tell you what we do here in New York. The State Legislature passed the toughest gun laws – some states may say no. That’s okay, what do you want to do? And maybe every Governor should stand up. But in the end, it is really the leadership at a national level, which is whoever is going to be President of the United States starting next January 1st – what are they going to do about guns?

Now the mayor and I have big differences but that's pretty hard to get worked up about for me. I mean we average 20 mass shootings a year. That's horrendous. Something does need to be done don't you think?

All I heard was the first line. I agree with you.

However, what do you want done? You can't legislate crazy. Personally, I'm totally serious here, make prostitution legal. I'm guessing there is a good portion of these psychos that wouldn't do this if they could get laid.

I wish I had the answer. I just know what we are currently doing seems to be the suck. But hey let's start with your idea I'm down with that.

 

[NCCommish]

Broadcast and cable stations pulling Dark Knight ads across the country. Warner Brothers has apparently asked some outlets to do it and others are doing it on their own.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Im still intent on seeing DKR on sunday.

Any new info leaks about this guy?

 

[shadyridr]

I dont understand, news agencies keep mentioning that he said he was Joker and painted his hair red like the Joker. Yet nobody seems to point out that the Joker's hair is actually green. Does anybody fact check anymore?

 

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6 patients taken in to the children's hospital. 1 died. "2 or 3 will be released today in "good" condition" this according to a doctor at the children's hospital.

Heartbreaking. For all, but innocent kids tear me up.

None of these 6 were kids, all were 18 or older. They were just taken to this hospital due to the volume of injured people.

Just had a guy that came on tv here in Denver - his 7 year old daughter is dead. The police refused to let him in the hospital. His ex-wife took his daughter to movie. He was in pretty bad shape.

Damn

Here is the videohttp://kdvr.com/2012/07/20/video-police-detain-man-enraged-over-loss-of-child-in-aurora-theater-shooting/

Same guy?

 

[snogger]

Broadcast and cable stations pulling Dark Knight ads across the country. Warner Brothers has apparently asked some outlets to do it and others are doing it on their own.

completely by this.. Is it in memory of the victims??? If so, then OK.. but still seems strange to me..But if it is because we want to prevent this from happening elsewhere It was not the movie that caused this psycho to kill people.. It was not the guns that caused this psycho to kill people .. It was the psycho..

 

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Broadcast and cable stations pulling Dark Knight ads across the country. Warner Brothers has apparently asked some outlets to do it and others are doing it on their own.

Now that's just silly....

 

[moderated]

I dont understand, news agencies keep mentioning that he said he was Joker and painted his hair red like the Joker. Yet nobody seems to point out that the Joker's hair is actually green. Does anybody fact check anymore?

During a hospital scene where the Joker shoots things up he died his hair red.