Should ESPN do anything? Jason Kelce smashes student's phone (1 Viewer)

[Zow]

my thing is that you have the right of freedom of speech as a law with respect to the government but too many people think that freedom of speech means the right to say inflammatory and stupid crap without consequences to ordinary everday non government people the two are very different things take that to the bank brochachos

And there may be consequences to those consequences. Kelce should have gone all "hold me back, bro" instead of arguably committing a crime by smashing the kid's phone.

 

[ghostguy123]

If the dude is smart (which isn't likely) he will do nothing so his name is unknown.
If he's a student that is

He’s already been IDd because he made a video crying that Travis broke his phone.

So is he a student?

 

[Harry Manback]

If the dude is smart (which isn't likely) he will do nothing so his name is unknown.
If he's a student that is

He’s already been IDd because he made a video crying that Travis broke his phone.

So is he a student?

Yes

 

[Harry Manback]

my thing is that you have the right of freedom of speech as a law with respect to the government but too many people think that freedom of speech means the right to say inflammatory and stupid crap without consequences to ordinary everday non government people the two are very different things take that to the bank brochachos

And there may be consequences to those consequences. Kelce should have gone all "hold me back, bro" instead of arguably committing a crime by smashing the kid's phone.

It’s not really arguable if it were a crime.

 

[General Malaise]

If the dude is smart (which isn't likely) he will do nothing so his name is unknown.
If he's a student that is

He’s already been IDd because he made a video crying that Travis broke his phone.

So is he a student?

Yes

He wants a payday and clicks or is he seriously crying because he lost his phone?

 

[Don Quixote]

Kelce addressed it on the pregame show tonight. Don’t think the tweet is right about him apologizing, as I did not hear that. More generally talking about not being proud of responding to hate with hate.

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[Ghost Rider]

Kelce addressed it on the pregame show tonight. Don’t think the tweet is right about him apologizing, as I did not hear that. More generally talking about not being proud of responding to hate with hate.

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I thought he struck the right tone, saying that he shouldn't have fought hate with hate and that he needs to be better. I am glad he didn't apologize to the idiot in question.

 

[Zow]

my thing is that you have the right of freedom of speech as a law with respect to the government but too many people think that freedom of speech means the right to say inflammatory and stupid crap without consequences to ordinary everday non government people the two are very different things take that to the bank brochachos

And there may be consequences to those consequences. Kelce should have gone all "hold me back, bro" instead of arguably committing a crime by smashing the kid's phone.

It’s not really arguable if it were a crime.

It's always arguable, sir.

 

[northern exposure]

Kelce addressed it on the pregame show tonight. Don’t think the tweet is right about him apologizing, as I did not hear that. More generally talking about not being proud of responding to hate with hate.

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I thought he struck the right tone, saying that he shouldn't have fought hate with hate and that he needs to be better. I am glad he didn't apologize to the idiot in question.

I agree. I think he handled it well.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

my thing is that you have the right of freedom of speech as a law with respect to the government but too many people think that freedom of speech means the right to say inflammatory and stupid crap without consequences to ordinary everday non government people the two are very different things take that to the bank brochachos

And there may be consequences to those consequences. Kelce should have gone all "hold me back, bro" instead of arguably committing a crime by smashing the kid's phone.

GB, the very best possible world is the one we theoretically have right now. This kid gets all uppity with no more serious consequences than a smashed phone and wounded ego. Kelce buys the kid a new phone. The local DA applies common sense and lets the matter drop.

 

[Corporation]

my thing is that you have the right of freedom of speech as a law with respect to the government but too many people think that freedom of speech means the right to say inflammatory and stupid crap without consequences to ordinary everday non government people the two are very different things take that to the bank brochachos

And there may be consequences to those consequences. Kelce should have gone all "hold me back, bro" instead of arguably committing a crime by smashing the kid's phone.

It’s not really arguable if it were a crime.

It's always arguable, sir.

It may be arguable, but I don't think it's winnable in court You would know better of course.

Just my opinion and I think a lot have had the same so nothing groundbreaking: The "kid" was wrong in everything he did. Kelce showed some restraint by not destroying him, but you can't smash people's property without consequences, and you can't use that language in retort. I hope he doesn't suffer severe consequences, but some consequences will have to be paid and I bet he's the type of man who will pay them. Sounds like he is already on that path with his pregame comments.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Kelce addressed it on the pregame show tonight. Don’t think the tweet is right about him apologizing, as I did not hear that. More generally talking about not being proud of responding to hate with hate.

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Agreed. It seemed he intentionally did not apologize. Which in the comments seems to be getting positive responses.

 

[Harry Manback]

If the dude is smart (which isn't likely) he will do nothing so his name is unknown.
If he's a student that is

He’s already been IDd because he made a video crying that Travis broke his phone.

So is he a student?

Yes

He wants a payday and clicks or is he seriously crying because he lost his phone?

Payday and clicks. Crying was a turn of phrase. He was whining and pissy

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Kelce addressed it on the pregame show tonight. Don’t think the tweet is right about him apologizing, as I did not hear that. More generally talking about not being proud of responding to hate with hate.

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Agreed. It seemed he intentionally did not apologize. Which in the comments seems to be getting positive responses.

“And in a heated moment, I chose to greet hate with hate.”

Kelce’s statement called it “hate”. He has now framed it as “hate speech’ as I’m sure his layer suggested.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Nevermind. The crowd has spoken and ESPN seems happy to move on. I'll do the same.

 

[rockaction]

Thus spake the crowd?

 

[Da Guru]

Maybe.

Headline From The Athletic:

Jason Kelce slams fan’s phone on ground, exchanges homophobic slurs after insult about Travis dating Taylor Swift.​

My bet is Kelce will apologize for something. Just the way is works today.

The article was much more honest, but that is some terrible headline writing there.

Yep, clickbait. Like I stated. We may not agree with it, but I would bet Kelce will apologize for something. Kelce is on ESPN, and getting a lot of endorsements, Chunky Soup and others. His agent will say "Apologize and move on be it right or wrong."

Very predictable is todays society no matter who is right or wrong. Kelce had too much to lose not to apologize.

 

[kupcho1]

Very predictable is todays society no matter who is right or wrong. Kelce had too much to lose not to apologize.

If you are referring to Kelce's comments during Monday Night Countdown, that wasn't an apology.

 

[dgreen]

Sounded like an apology to me .

 

[Terminalxylem]

Very predictable is todays society no matter who is right or wrong. Kelce had too much to lose not to apologize.

If you are referring to Kelce's comments during Monday Night Countdown, that wasn't an apology.

He didn’t to the kid, but certainly apologized to the public/viewing audience for his behavior. Not sure what else you’d call that?

There’s still the little detail about replacing the phone he left out.

 

[Stoneworker]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without every uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

 

[massraider]

His "apology" was perfect.

"I think everybody’s seen on social media everything that took place this week,” Kelce said at the top of the Monday night show. “I’m not happy with anything that took place. I’m not proud of it. In a heated moment, I chose to greet hate with hate, and I just don’t think that’s a productive thing.”

The only people he should apologize to are

1. his bosses, who I am sure are quite satisfied with that apology, especially with no backlash, it seems.
2. The vile little toad whose phone he smashed.

I don't care if he apologizes to the toad, so I don't really see anyone else who should be looking for an apology.

 

[Da Guru]

His "apology" was perfect.

"I think everybody’s seen on social media everything that took place this week,” Kelce said at the top of the Monday night show. “I’m not happy with anything that took place. I’m not proud of it. In a heated moment, I chose to greet hate with hate, and I just don’t think that’s a productive thing.”

The only people he should apologize to are

1. his bosses, who I am sure are quite satisfied with that apology, especially with no backlash, it seems.
2. The vile little toad whose phone he smashed.

I don't care if he apologizes to the toad, so I don't really see anyone else who should be looking for an apology.

I don`t care if Kelce apologizes to anyone. But in todays age everyone wants to see an apology even if it is meaningless.

Read in more than one place that Kelce owes the gay community an apology for slurring the kid back.

 

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[TennesseeJed]

Maybe.

Headline From The Athletic:

Jason Kelce slams fan’s phone on ground, exchanges homophobic slurs after insult about Travis dating Taylor Swift.​

My bet is Kelce will apologize for something. Just the way is works today.

The article was much more honest, but that is some terrible headline writing there.

Yep, clickbait. Like I stated. We may not agree with it, but I would bet Kelce will apologize for something. Kelce is on ESPN, and getting a lot of endorsements, Chunky Soup and others. His agent will say "Apologize and move on be it right or wrong."

Very predictable is todays society no matter who is right or wrong. Kelce had too much to lose not to apologize.

Kelce had nothing to lose.

He has generational wealth. He has a popular podcast. Neither of which were at risk here.

I am guessing Kelce genuinely wishes he had handled it better - because he knows he is better than that and can rise above a troll. But he wasn't losing anything from this incident.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

 

[Stoneworker]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

You disagree. That's fine. Carry on.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

 

[Stoneworker]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

If McDonald's CEO said, "We were wrong to have used bad onions and feel terrible about it," there is no media outlet on this planet that would have used the headline "McDonald's CEO apologizes for E. Coli outbreak." Absolutely none.

Listen, I've got zero problem either with what Kelce did or his words afterwards. But to call it an apology is ridiculous.

 

[ghostguy123]

He certainly didn't apologize to the troll, nor should he.

 

[SWC]

if they charged him with assault of a bigot and if i was on the jury it would be total nullification take that to the bank bromigos

 

[kupcho1]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

If McDonald's CEO said, "We were wrong to have used bad onions and feel terrible about it," there is no media outlet on this planet that would have used the headline "McDonald's apologizes for E. Coli outbreak." Absolutely none.

Listen, I've got zero problem either with what Kelce did or his words afterwords. But to call it an apology is ridiculous.

If you say so.

The Top 12 Fake Apologies -- And What Makes For An Authentic Apology​

You'll find Kelce's non-apology best covered by #6:

I regret . . .

This sidestepping apology equates regret with apologizing. There is no ownership.

Examples: I regret you felt upset I regret that mistakes were made

To be clear, I don't give a damn if he apologizes to anyone (although I think it would be smart business if he were to apologize - not merely express regret - to ESPN). But his statement Monday night was clearly not an apology.

 

[rockaction]

Count me among those not looking for an apology and certainly not thinking that was one. In fact, I thought he was going to say he was sorry or apologize about four times and he unnaturally didn’t. Watch him and listen to him stumble around his non-apology.

TO BE CLEAR I don’t want one and think the media-created apology cycle has been disastrous for us as a culture, but he certainly didn’t apologize.

And just as well.

That said, it was not a sidestep in the manner of #6 above. He did not express regret that people were upset. He almost wanted to tell the kid to follow the Golden Rule, which would have been ****ing awesome.

 

[rockaction]

I mean that second paragraph. The desire to flagellate someone over transgressions that involve modern media offenses until they apologize is really bizarre. It fits our Christian/original sin heritage, but it’s haywire and wrong-headed.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

If McDonald's CEO said, "We were wrong to have used bad onions and feel terrible about it," there is no media outlet on this planet that would have used the headline "McDonald's apologizes for E. Coli outbreak." Absolutely none.

Listen, I've got zero problem either with what Kelce did or his words afterwords. But to call it an apology is ridiculous.

If you say so.

The Top 12 Fake Apologies -- And What Makes For An Authentic Apology​

You'll find Kelce's non-apology best covered by #6:

I regret . . .

This sidestepping apology equates regret with apologizing. There is no ownership.

Examples: I regret you felt upset I regret that mistakes were made

To be clear, I don't give a damn if he apologizes to anyone (although I think it would be smart business if he were to apologize - not merely express regret - to ESPN). But his statement Monday night was clearly not an apology.

I'll agree to disagree - he apologized to everyone but the kid - your example to show what I said wasn't accurate isn't close to what I said.

 

[kupcho1]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

If McDonald's CEO said, "We were wrong to have used bad onions and feel terrible about it," there is no media outlet on this planet that would have used the headline "McDonald's apologizes for E. Coli outbreak." Absolutely none.

Listen, I've got zero problem either with what Kelce did or his words afterwords. But to call it an apology is ridiculous.

If you say so.

The Top 12 Fake Apologies -- And What Makes For An Authentic Apology​

You'll find Kelce's non-apology best covered by #6:

I regret . . .

This sidestepping apology equates regret with apologizing. There is no ownership.

Examples: I regret you felt upset I regret that mistakes were made

To be clear, I don't give a damn if he apologizes to anyone (although I think it would be smart business if he were to apologize - not merely express regret - to ESPN). But his statement Monday night was clearly not an apology.

I'll agree to disagree - he apologized to everyone but the kid - your example to show what I said wasn't accurate isn't close to what I said.

I don't agree with your agreement to disagree!
Seriously though, I have no idea what you're talking about because I wasn't addressing what you said. At least I didn't intend to. I'm sorry if you took it that way. (See what I did there? )

Also, Kelce apologized to no one.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

If McDonald's CEO said, "We were wrong to have used bad onions and feel terrible about it," there is no media outlet on this planet that would have used the headline "McDonald's apologizes for E. Coli outbreak." Absolutely none.

Listen, I've got zero problem either with what Kelce did or his words afterwords. But to call it an apology is ridiculous.

If you say so.

The Top 12 Fake Apologies -- And What Makes For An Authentic Apology​

You'll find Kelce's non-apology best covered by #6:

I regret . . .

This sidestepping apology equates regret with apologizing. There is no ownership.

Examples: I regret you felt upset I regret that mistakes were made

To be clear, I don't give a damn if he apologizes to anyone (although I think it would be smart business if he were to apologize - not merely express regret - to ESPN). But his statement Monday night was clearly not an apology.

I'll agree to disagree - he apologized to everyone but the kid - your example to show what I said wasn't accurate isn't close to what I said.

I don't agree with your agreement to disagree!
Seriously though, I have no idea what you're talking about because I wasn't addressing what you said. At least I didn't intend to. I'm sorry if you took it that way. (See what I did there? )

Also, Kelce apologized to no one.

Ok - no worries. You quoted me I assumed it was.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

You disagree. That's fine. Carry on.

I shouldn’t have derisively copied your verbiage, and ridiculed those whose opinions differ from mine. It’s better to attempt to understand differences, rather than laugh at them. Moving forward, I’ll do better.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

Agree.

“I was wrong to do that to you and I feel terrible about it”.

Thats an apology without “sorry” or “apology” in it.

If McDonald's CEO said, "We were wrong to have used bad onions and feel terrible about it," there is no media outlet on this planet that would have used the headline "McDonald's apologizes for E. Coli outbreak." Absolutely none.

Listen, I've got zero problem either with what Kelce did or his words afterwords. But to call it an apology is ridiculous.

If you say so.

The Top 12 Fake Apologies -- And What Makes For An Authentic Apology​

You'll find Kelce's non-apology best covered by #6:

I regret . . .

This sidestepping apology equates regret with apologizing. There is no ownership.

Examples: I regret you felt upset I regret that mistakes were made

To be clear, I don't give a damn if he apologizes to anyone (although I think it would be smart business if he were to apologize - not merely express regret - to ESPN). But his statement Monday night was clearly not an apology.

Having apologized many, many times over my lifetime, I recognize a lot of those “fake” apologies. While I concur sidestepping avoids ownership, I still think a bad apology qualifies as apologizing - it’s up to the intended audience whether to accept it.

From your article, I think Kelce’s statement qualifies for 3 of the five criteria:

A true apology, by contrast, has most or all of the following characteristics:

• Is freely offered without conditions or minimizing what was done
• Conveys that the person apologizing understands and cares about the hurt persons experience and feelings
• Conveys remorse
• Offers a commitment to avoid repeating the hurtful behavior
• Offers to make amends or provide restitution if appropriate

 

[Stoneworker]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

You disagree. That's fine. Carry on.

I shouldn’t have derisively copied your verbiage, and ridiculed those whose opinions differ from mine. It’s better to attempt to understand differences, rather than laugh at them. Moving forward, I’ll do better.

I'm sorry you felt the need to respond in the first place

 

[ChiefD]

These are dark times when we are arguing over what an apology is or isn't.

Just when you think ya' run out of things to argue about.

 

[belljr]

These are dark times when we are arguing over what an apology is or isn't.

Just when you think ya' run out of things to argue about.

People love to argue..... I don't personally

 

[kupcho1]

These are dark times when we are arguing over what an apology is or isn't.

Just when you think ya' run out of things to argue about.

People love to argue..... I don't personally

Mistakes were made.

 

[belljr]

These are dark times when we are arguing over what an apology is or isn't.

Just when you think ya' run out of things to argue about.

People love to argue..... I don't personally

Mistakes were made.

I accept your apology....

 

[SFBayDuck]

"The internet culture has ruined real life, and I think there's too many people that grew up in situations where they never got punched in the face.....I'm pretty sure that guy never got punched in the face."

 

[Terminalxylem]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without ever uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

It’s funny to me some people think an apology is impossible without including those words. What would you call his statement?

You disagree. That's fine. Carry on.

I shouldn’t have derisively copied your verbiage, and ridiculed those whose opinions differ from mine. It’s better to attempt to understand differences, rather than laugh at them. Moving forward, I’ll do better.

I'm sorry you felt the need to respond in the first place

I accept your apology.

 

[Zow]

if they charged him with assault of a bigot and if i was on the jury it would be total nullification take that to the bank bromigos

*checks trial schedule for an assault*

What are you doing, say, February of next year?

 

[SWC]

if they charged him with assault of a bigot and if i was on the jury it would be total nullification take that to the bank bromigos

*checks trial schedule for an assault*

What are you doing, say, February of next year?

i nullify smacking a bigot and punching a nazi just how it is take that to the bank brohan

 

[fatness]

These are dark times when we are arguing over what an apology is or isn't.

Just when you think ya' run out of things to argue about.

We'll never run out.

 

[-OZ-]

Pretty funny how some people think Kelce apologized without every uttering the word "sorry" or "apology" in his statement. ESPN blatantly guilty of false headline.

To be clear, I don't give a damn if he apologizes to anyone (although I think it would be smart business if he were to apologize - not merely express regret - to ESPN). But his statement Monday night was clearly not an apology.

Call it what you want. Why would anyone want an apology? Usually it’s an affirmation that a person acknowledges they were wrong.

“In a heated moment, I decided to greet hate with hate,” Kelce said before ESPN’s broadcast of the Buccaneers-Chiefs game featuring his brother, Kansas City tight end Travis Kelce. “I fell short this week.”

His statement, showing he knows he should do better, seems to be a lot more genuine than most public apologies.