Should ESPN do anything? Jason Kelce smashes student's phone (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Which part of my statement is incorrect?

It wasn't incorrect, it was incomplete

 

[Yenrub]

Is ESPN still a thing? This isn't 1985.

Yes. ESPN is still incredibly important and prominent.

I see this both ways.
For some folks it's non-existent
I haven't turned them on once this morning and likely won't right up thru kickoff where as you might have them on in your living room right now

-I watch ESPN when they televise MNF if it's not ABC, I will watch them if they are broadcasting live sports and I am interested in the teams but I haven't watched Sportscenter on a regular basis in 10+ years I would say and the network lost a lot when they merged and became part of Disney/ABC, whenever that decision was made

I understand what JU is saying but to keep things real, ESPN presence on a Saturday for college football, they OWN IT!
I'll watch 5 or 10 minutes of McAfee once in a while, maybe YT clip of his show, I'm not blind to their presence in a lot of folks lives but they fail to reach many others IMHO

As a sports fan I don’t see how ESPN can be non-existent (unless you don’t have cable or don’t stream)
They have Monday night football, many of the top college football games, the have NBA and NHL games college basketball is about to start plus some other niche live sports coverage.

 

[eighsse2]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

 

[ghostguy123]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

I prefer my world where people actually are decent, and can't just do stuff like this with zero consequence.
Your view makes it ok, hence making it more prevalent.

If anything Kelce should be praised for restraint.

 

[Chaka]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Which part of my statement is incorrect?

It wasn't incorrect, it was incomplete

Was Kelce physically assaulted before he grabbed the phone?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is ESPN still a thing? This isn't 1985.

Yes. ESPN is still incredibly important and prominent.

I see this both ways.
For some folks it's non-existent
I haven't turned them on once this morning and likely won't right up thru kickoff where as you might have them on in your living room right now

-I watch ESPN when they televise MNF if it's not ABC, I will watch them if they are broadcasting live sports and I am interested in the teams but I haven't watched Sportscenter on a regular basis in 10+ years I would say and the network lost a lot when they merged and became part of Disney/ABC, whenever that decision was made

I understand what JU is saying but to keep things real, ESPN presence on a Saturday for college football, they OWN IT!
I'll watch 5 or 10 minutes of McAfee once in a while, maybe YT clip of his show, I'm not blind to their presence in a lot of folks lives but they fail to reach many others IMHO

As a sports fan I don’t see how ESPN can be non-existent (unless you don’t have cable or don’t stream)
They have Monday night football, many of the top college football games, the have NBA and NHL games college basketball is about to start plus some other niche live sports coverage.

I think I mentioned both MNF as well as Sat college football if you look back again
They are a 24/7 network, I'm not watching Adam Schefter break down NFL teams, he's there to squeal 1st and try to break the news, He's more TMZ to me than real NFL analysis
I find way better things for NFL in the online community than anything the major social heads spew on TV, just my opinion

 

[BladeRunner]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

I prefer my world where people actually are decent, and can't just do stuff like this with zero consequence.
Your view makes it ok, hence making it more prevalent.

If anything Kelce should be praised for restraint.

I kind of agree with this. We're so used to assuming that people with bad behavior can get away with it and the victim is supposed to show restraint, but I'm in the same group as you: I think if you participate in bad behavior then you deserve everyhing you get (in kind). That's not to say they should be shot, but getting your phone smashed should be a valid consequence of your actions w/out repurcussion.

The FAFO Law.

 

[ghostguy123]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Which part of my statement is incorrect?

It wasn't incorrect, it was incomplete

Was Kelce physically assaulted before he grabbed the phone?

Was Kelce minding his own business before some guys were following and purposely instigating him?

 

[ghostguy123]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

 

[Chaka]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Which part of my statement is incorrect?

It wasn't incorrect, it was incomplete

Was Kelce physically assaulted before he grabbed the phone?

Was Kelce minding his own business before some guys were following and purposely instigating him?

I'll take that as a no.l he was not.

He doesn't have the right to not be offended. He doesn't have the right to take someone's property and destroy it because his feelings were hurt.

I imagine there are dozens of other instances where you would absolutely stand behind the premise that you don't have a right to not be offended. Why is this different?

The "kid" is an ####### but Kelce was wrong.

 

[JohnnyU]

Is ESPN still a thing? This isn't 1985.

Yes. ESPN is still incredibly important and prominent.

Prominent is a strong word. They are nowhere near as popular as they once were. Their alternate programming has really degraded over the years and people are tired of their race baiting in these non-game programs.

Say what, now?

See Stephen A, Domonique Foxworth, comments on Catlin Clark, Jemele Hill, and the list is long. Just google them.

 

[Chaka]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

 

[FarFromHome]

I get that in a perfect world that guy had it coming. The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

 

[Chaka]

Is ESPN still a thing? This isn't 1985.

Yes. ESPN is still incredibly important and prominent.

Prominent is a strong word. They are nowhere near as popular as they once were. Their alternate programming has really degraded over the years and people are tired of their race baiting in these non-game programs.

Say what, now?

See Stephen A, Catlin Clark, Jemele Hill, and the list is long. Just google them.

I've heard of them. Just not sure what you mean by race baiting.

 

[BladeRunner]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

yes, I know, LEGALLY you can't but I feel like we should change that law. If you're acting like an idiot, something of yours besides your body needs to break.

 

[BladeRunner]

I get that in a perfect world that guy had it coming. The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

I get it and I see how that would get out of hand, but I also feel jack@sses deserve everything they get (see my above post).

 

[ghostguy123]

The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Ummm, good?????

 

[ghostguy123]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

I'm ok with it.
Could actually be a nice precedent to set.

But, again, they guy was doing more than just "being an Ahole"

Had he been shouting it as Kelce walked by sure. Dude was following him. Makes it different and much worse

 

[eighsse2]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

I prefer my world where people actually are decent, and can't just do stuff like this with zero consequence.
Your view makes it ok, hence making it more prevalent.

If anything Kelce should be praised for restraint.

I can see both sides. But overall, free speech rules. There can be consequences for your actions. There shouldn't be illegal consequences for your actions.

I'm taking a walk at this moment. If someone came out of his house and yelled at me because of my hat "don't walk on the sidewalk in front of my house, you f***ing MAGAt!" I would laugh, shake my head, and and use the sidewalk on the other side if the road the next time out of consideration.

He has no right to prevent me from walking there. And I also would have no right to, say, egg his house the next time around. That's his property. All he did was insult me. However, I would have a right to continue using the sidewalk in front of his house every day waving giant flags and chanting "MAGA" if I wanted. But I wouldn't do that because I'm not a d***.

 

[eighsse2]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

I'm ok with it.
Could actually be a nice precedent to set.

But, again, they guy was doing more than just "being an Ahole"

Had he been shouting it as Kelce walked by sure. Dude was following him. Makes it different and much worse

I suppose I don't know all about that part. How long he was following him, how many times he pestered him about it, could make it harassment. But more of an issue for the police than for your own hands.

 

[ghostguy123]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

I prefer my world where people actually are decent, and can't just do stuff like this with zero consequence.
Your view makes it ok, hence making it more prevalent.

If anything Kelce should be praised for restraint.

I can see both sides. But overall, free speech rules. There can be consequences for your actions. There shouldn't be illegal consequences for your actions.

I'm taking a walk at this moment. If someone came out of his house and yelled at me because of my hat "don't walk on the sidewalk in front of my house, you f***ing MAGAt!" I would laugh, shake my head, and and use the sidewalk on the other side if the road the next time out of consideration.

He has no right to prevent me from walking there. And I also would have no right to, say, egg his house the next time around. That's his property. All he did was insult me. However, I would have a right to continue using the sidewalk in front of his house every day waving giant flags and chanting "MAGA" if I wanted. But I wouldn't do that because I'm not a d***.

Now imagine the guy followed you during your walk doing the same thing and getting personal.

 

[xenon]

No

Mike Tyson
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it"

 

[Joe Bryant]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Please dial back the high horse a bit. We can have a conversation with different opinions.

 

[BladeRunner]

No

Mike Tyson
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it"

100%.

 

[eighsse2]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

I prefer my world where people actually are decent, and can't just do stuff like this with zero consequence.
Your view makes it ok, hence making it more prevalent.

If anything Kelce should be praised for restraint.

I can see both sides. But overall, free speech rules. There can be consequences for your actions. There shouldn't be illegal consequences for your actions.

I'm taking a walk at this moment. If someone came out of his house and yelled at me because of my hat "don't walk on the sidewalk in front of my house, you f***ing MAGAt!" I would laugh, shake my head, and and use the sidewalk on the other side if the road the next time out of consideration.

He has no right to prevent me from walking there. And I also would have no right to, say, egg his house the next time around. That's his property. All he did was insult me. However, I would have a right to continue using the sidewalk in front of his house every day waving giant flags and chanting "MAGA" if I wanted. But I wouldn't do that because I'm not a d***.

Now imagine the guy followed you during your walk doing the same thing and getting personal.

That would be getting into harassment territory, and if it went on more than just a bit, I'd contact the police, but one thing that would NEVER even CROSS my mind is taking his property and/or damaging it.

 

[ghostguy123]

Words only have the power the listener gives to them.

You don't get to assault people or destroy their property because they said something that you didn't like.

If you don't think this goes beyond "saying something you don't like", then you are living in a different world.

This was words + actions

Apparently then, I am living in a different world. Which I guess has to mean you are living in a different world from me as well. I choose to believe otherwise.

I prefer my world where people actually are decent, and can't just do stuff like this with zero consequence.
Your view makes it ok, hence making it more prevalent.

If anything Kelce should be praised for restraint.

I can see both sides. But overall, free speech rules. There can be consequences for your actions. There shouldn't be illegal consequences for your actions.

I'm taking a walk at this moment. If someone came out of his house and yelled at me because of my hat "don't walk on the sidewalk in front of my house, you f***ing MAGAt!" I would laugh, shake my head, and and use the sidewalk on the other side if the road the next time out of consideration.

He has no right to prevent me from walking there. And I also would have no right to, say, egg his house the next time around. That's his property. All he did was insult me. However, I would have a right to continue using the sidewalk in front of his house every day waving giant flags and chanting "MAGA" if I wanted. But I wouldn't do that because I'm not a d***.

Now imagine the guy followed you during your walk doing the same thing and getting personal.

That would be getting into harassment territory, and if it went on more than just a bit, I'd contact the police, but one thing that would NEVER even CROSS my mind is taking his property and/or damaging it.

That's fine. I'd be ok with your reaction or Kelces.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

What is this idea of calling him "a kid"? Until proven otherwise, he's likely an of age college student and thus full accountable for his actions

I could argue the kid should be thrown out of school, if he is actually a PSU student. The kid is an adult

I very strongly prefer to live in a world where we simply allow Kelce and the college student to settle this issue like grown men, and we don't bring their employer or their school into it.

 

[BladeRunner]

What is this idea of calling him "a kid"? Until proven otherwise, he's likely an of age college student and thus full accountable for his actions

I could argue the kid should be thrown out of school, if he is actually a PSU student. The kid is an adult

I very strongly prefer to live in a world where we simply allow Kelce and the college student to settle this issue like grown men, and we don't bring their employer or their school into it.

or the courts.

Back in my day if the guy was twice your size you didn't try to pick a fight with him. That's like trying to pick a fight with a bear. In fact, that was pretty much the strategy of ALL of humanity up until the invention of social media.

Dude is lucky he only escaped with a smashed phone.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I get that in a perfect world that guy had it coming. The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Perhaps our society would be a bit more civil? You're making a case for why we should celebrate Kelce here.

 

[FarFromHome]

I get that in a perfect world that guy had it coming. The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Perhaps our society would be a bit more civil? You're making a case for why we should celebrate Kelce here.

Ha ha. Its an interesting conversation of how generations react differently. Us older folks say crush your enemy he had it coming. The young ones scream I can say what I want and you can't touch me. Ha ha

 

[ghostguy123]

I get that in a perfect world that guy had it coming. The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Perhaps our society would be a bit more civil? You're making a case for why we should celebrate Kelce here.

Yep

 

[billmatic]

For me it's less about celebrating Kelce and more about celebrating someone getting what was coming to them. In a perfect world, karma would have kicked in immediately and the kid would have gotten struck by lightning, but alas it did not.

 

[Chaka]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

yes, I know, LEGALLY you can't but I feel like we should change that law. If you're acting like an idiot, something of yours besides your body needs to break.

No, we don't.

Pretty sure you weren't being serious

 

[Chaka]

The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Ummm, good?????

Right up until it was your phone.

 

[Donnybrook]

I find it interesting that twitter is doxing everyone associated with the murder of a squirrel and a raccoon. But no one is doxing the idiot saying homophobic slurs to Jason Kelse.

Not sure if this kid is trying to make a living as a TMZ style journalist or what his angle is. He can make his career in another profession from now on.

 

[Chaka]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

I'm ok with it.
Could actually be a nice precedent to set.

But, again, they guy was doing more than just "being an Ahole"

Had he been shouting it as Kelce walked by sure. Dude was following him. Makes it different and much worse

No, it doesn't. It makes him an obvious troll hoping for that exact reaction.

But you don't get to destroy his property because of it. And I don't really believe you feel that way.

Do you really want to live in a world where everyone had the right to not be offended? And could act violently when they felt they were?

No, you don't.

 

[Chaka]

I get that in a perfect world that guy had it coming. The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Perhaps our society would be a bit more civil? You're making a case for why we should celebrate Kelce here.

No, it wouldn't.

 

[BladeRunner]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

yes, I know, LEGALLY you can't but I feel like we should change that law. If you're acting like an idiot, something of yours besides your body needs to break.

No, we don't.

Pretty sure you weren't being serious

It was tongue in cheek, of course, but a part of me wants idiots to get their comeuppance. The FAFO Law, I call it.

 

[Chaka]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

yes, I know, LEGALLY you can't but I feel like we should change that law. If you're acting like an idiot, something of yours besides your body needs to break.

No, we don't.

Pretty sure you weren't being serious

It was tongue in cheek, of course, but a part of me wants idiots to get their comeuppance. The FAFO Law, I call it.

Part of me absolutely agrees but I know we can't go in that direction. That's where we came from.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I’m fine with shaming people who act like idiots. Not so much a fan of breaking their stuff and/or physically harming them. That’s the opposite of civilized society.

And my guess is Kelce ends up in trouble with ESPN. Not for breaking the phone so much as hurling the same slur back at the kid.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I don't think he should be suspended, obviously there are legal implications to destroying someone else's property, but that is what the law is for, not your employer.

100% support the student's right to free speech. But at the same time, you know the question is antagonizing the guy. Not a kind thing to do, but you also shouldn't have to fear destruction of your property over it.

I support free speech as well, but there are sometimes consequences to saying hateful and offensive things.

Sure, but the very moment it gets physical, somebody is going to jail.

 

[Chaka]

The thing is, Kelce has a huge platform. He could have easily started recording the guy and mentioned that maybe that dude wouldn't want that blasted to 100 million people.

There is an implicit threat of violence in that scenario because one of his followers would absolutely dox the guy.

 

[Smack Tripper]

What is this idea of calling him "a kid"? Until proven otherwise, he's likely an of age college student and thus full accountable for his actions

I could argue the kid should be thrown out of school, if he is actually a PSU student. The kid is an adult

I very strongly prefer to live in a world where we simply allow Kelce and the college student to settle this issue like grown men, and we don't bring their employer or their school into it.

I don’t disagree but we are stuck in this world

 

[ghostguy123]

The world isn't perfect. What if everyone started smashing phones when they felt attacked?

Ummm, good?????

Right up until it was your phone.

Lol, wut?? I'd expect my phone to get gronk spiked if I was doing that.

 

[ghostguy123]

I can't fathom how so many in here want to give a free pass to people who act like that towards others.

Shame on you

Who is giving him a free.pass?

But you don't get to destroy someone's property just because they're an #######.

I'm ok with it.
Could actually be a nice precedent to set.

But, again, they guy was doing more than just "being an Ahole"

Had he been shouting it as Kelce walked by sure. Dude was following him. Makes it different and much worse

No, it doesn't. It makes him an obvious troll hoping for that exact reaction.

But you don't get to destroy his property because of it. And I don't really believe you feel that way.

Do you really want to live in a world where everyone had the right to not be offended? And could act violently when they felt they were?

No, you don't.

No. If anything I'm hugely against people getting offended by every little thing.

Again for the 50th time, this was beyond "being offended". This was harassment.

I don't think Kelce did that because he was offended. He did it because he was being harassed.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

After goggling it - I say nothing happens to him and he is applauded for standing up against the student using a homophobia slur.

 

[Zow]

This isn’t necessarily true. It can mitigate punishments and charges leveled at the person doing the property destroying.

In cases of assault and battery​

In the United States, provocation is rarely accepted as a complete defense, but state courts have ruled that it is still a mitigating factor in matters of assault and/or battery where the sentence can be reduced or the crime lowered to a lesser charge.[21] In extremely rare cases, adequate provocation has resulted in the defendant never being charged with a crime. In one famous example, prosecutors in California refused to charge astronaut Buzz Aldrin with assault after he punched conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel in the face for aggressively confronting him and calling him "a coward, and a liar, and a thief."

What isn't necessarily true?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1. Smash = earned.
2. Kelce will likely have to replace the phone.
3. Most schools have a code of conduct. That student was waaaaay outta line. Bigoted slurs may well get him suspended or expelled.
4. ESPN shouldn’t do a thing.

 

[rockaction]

What isn't necessarily true?

The claim right above mine. That provocation could never justify physical violence or property damage.

 

[gsmayes]

100% Kelce reacted because the accusation that his brother is gay. Not because an offensive slur was used for a gay person. I say fire them both into the sun.