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You didn't have to sign more docs, as in step 5 of the post quoted with yours?  Money was just dumped in?
No signing after the fact. I filled out the online application on Chase's site on the 6th. There was some part of that I thought I had to initial, so perhaps that was kind of like step 5 in advance? Got the approval email late last night and woke up to the funds in our account this morning. We got lucky, no doubt about it. I'm not sure how it all happened and really didn't expect it to. 

 
SayWhat? said:
I mean, they’re almost certainly going to add more funding to the Paycheck Protection Program.  But the first $350B lasted what, ten days? And there’s no shortage of small businesses that still need money.

I hope nobody took the advice of whatever poster was in here advising to wait to apply until closer to June.  No freaking way I’m risking waiting and hoping there’s money miraculously left two months from now.
I got shut out.  Put my application that April 3rd that Friday night - Webster came back 2 days ago saying I needed to initial a couple of questions.  Hoping for more money otherwise I’m in trouble. 

 
We sent ours in right away on the 3rd of April.   No dice.  

Using a community bank.

 
SayWhat? said:
I hope nobody took the advice of whatever poster was in here advising to wait to apply until closer to June.  No freaking way I’m risking waiting and hoping there’s money miraculously left two months from now.
That was me. This is a "small business" support thread. Not everyone is in the exact same position as you. There are plenty of small businesses where it made no sense to take the money now. There are also lots of businesses where it made sense to wait. If I were the latter, I would've talked to my banker and tried to time up the 2nd wave of funding rather than panicking and taking a large loan that wouldn't be forgiven.

Anyway, back to trying to help each other...

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has just announced the Save Small Business Initiative.  Through this Initiative, the Chamber is making available $5,000 grants to assist small employers in paying business expenses.

In order to qualify, a business must: (1) employ between three and 20 individuals; (2) be located in an economically vulnerable community; and (3) have been harmed financially by the COVID-19 pandemic.  A business can determine whether it is located in an economically vulnerable community through a zip code check available on the Initiative’s website: https://savesmallbusiness.com/

The grant application process will go live at 3 p.m. Eastern time on April 20.  The application can be completed online at the website listed above.  According to the website, the application will take about 10 minutes to complete, and the only documentation needed is the Company’s W-9 Form and basic supporting information about the business.   

 
That was me. This is a "small business" support thread. Not everyone is in the exact same position as you. There are plenty of small businesses where it made no sense to take the money now. There are also lots of businesses where it made sense to wait. If I were the latter, I would've talked to my banker and tried to time up the 2nd wave of funding rather than panicking and taking a large loan that wouldn't be forgiven.

Anyway, back to trying to help each other...
So what are the chances of more funding and how do I get to the front of the line?

 
That was me. This is a "small business" support thread. Not everyone is in the exact same position as you. There are plenty of small businesses where it made no sense to take the money now. There are also lots of businesses where it made sense to wait. If I were the latter, I would've talked to my banker and tried to time up the 2nd wave of funding rather than panicking and taking a large loan that wouldn't be forgiven.

Anyway, back to trying to help each other...
If you’re a small business that positively can’t use the loan now and have a chunk of it forgiven, then by all means sit on the sidelines.  But you were advising someone to just hang tight until June and get your money then as if it’s like ordering two day delivery through Amazon.  We’ll have to agree to disagree on the approach.  There’s no timing this thing and submitting later when it may be more advantageous.  The first $350B ran out in less than two weeks.  There’s literally tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of small businesses still in the application process. It’s positively bad advice to tell someone to wait until June.  Sorry if that opinion offends you.

 
maybe this is just me.....    but, i'm not basing my financial future, on advice from some dude named, @E-Z Glider  who i "met" on an online, magic football, website.  he does have a sweet avatar though.  

i'm to the point where, sacrificing small animals, might be my best hope.  i know that my business applied around 3/20.  hopefully, they are in the queue to receive funds.  if not, the business will close.

 
Shut out of Capital One, they really boiled my blood. Since the 6th they were saying the application was coming, but it never came. Today, the day the funds run out, they changed their site to claim they had been successfully funding since the 6th. They F'ed over a lot of small businesses.

I eventually moved to Kabbage but wasn't able to get it processed in time.  :rant:

 
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Anyway, back to trying to help each other...

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has just announced the Save Small Business Initiative.  Through this Initiative, the Chamber is making available $5,000 grants to assist small employers in paying business expenses.

In order to qualify, a business must: (1) employ between three and 20 individuals; (2) be located in an economically vulnerable community; and (3) have been harmed financially by the COVID-19 pandemic.  A business can determine whether it is located in an economically vulnerable community through a zip code check available on the Initiative’s website: https://savesmallbusiness.com/

The grant application process will go live at 3 p.m. Eastern time on April 20.  The application can be completed online at the website listed above.  According to the website, the application will take about 10 minutes to complete, and the only documentation needed is the Company’s W-9 Form and basic supporting information about the business.   
Thanks for this :hifive:  

 
If you’re a small business that positively can’t use the loan now and have a chunk of it forgiven, then by all means sit on the sidelines.  But you were advising someone to just hang tight until June and get your money then as if it’s like ordering two day delivery through Amazon.  We’ll have to agree to disagree on the approach.  There’s no timing this thing and submitting later when it may be more advantageous.  The first $350B ran out in less than two weeks.  There’s literally tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of small businesses still in the application process. It’s positively bad advice to tell someone to wait until June.  Sorry if that opinion offends you.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said   :rolleyes:

Obviously you need to talk to your lender, but between what @Chemical X has said, and everything I have read, I dont believe this is a situation where the money is going to run out if you dont act now. And even If it does run out, it sounds like there will be more where it came from. For many people who have already closed their doors or have already laid off a significant portion of their staff, I still believe it makes sense to wait and take the money closer to the June deadline. We werent in that situation, so I cant say for certain. Good luck.


Just seems like a weird thread to come looking a slap-fight. Tensions are already high and people are just generally trying to help each other here for the most part. 

 
Yeah, that's exactly what I said   :rolleyes:

Just seems like a weird thread to come looking a slap-fight. Tensions are already high and people are just generally trying to help each other here for the most part. 
Jeez dude.  There was no quoting or slap fighting. Just that I hoped nobody listened to the guy that said to wait until the end of June to get their money.  And then you apparently felt the need to identify yourself and self-quote what I took exception to.

I dont believe this is a situation where the money is going to run out if you dont act now.
You may be right, maybe it won’t.  But $350B gone in ten days isn’t a positive outlook for small businesses hoping to get some two months from now. 

 
Additional funding to be voted on Monday. Here are the holdups if anyone wants to contact their Senators or Congressman...

ISSUES HOLDING UP PASSAGE:

Pelosi/Schumer Requests for PPP increase:
 
•        They want to pair the $250 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program with $100 billion in new funding for hospitals and $150 billion for state and local governments.
•        They attach strings to the increase in PPP funds: Of the $250 billion increase, $125 billion of the PPP loans must be channeled through “community-based financial institutions that serve farmers, family, women, minority and veteran-owned small businesses and nonprofits in rural, tribal, suburban and urban communities”.
•        They want a 15 percent increase in the maximum benefit payments for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)--(This is about a $10 billion increase).
•        They propose changes to PPP application process: mandating that small-business owners submit personal data about themselves and other owners and investors to their banks and the federal government.  This could result in additional paperwork, slow the application process, and cause small businesses not to participate.
•        Pelosi also called for another round of $1,200 checks to individuals and to extend unemployment benefits for two more months. 

 
They propose changes to PPP application process: mandating that small-business owners submit personal data about themselves and other owners and investors to their banks and the federal government.  This could result in additional paperwork, slow the application process, and cause small businesses not to participate.
I'll bet this becomes a pain in the ### for non-profits since it seems like these forms are not adding in the proper exceptions for non-profits.  Our bank in particular "mistakenly" had personal info requested for running credit, even though we set the biz type to non-profit.

 
I'll bet this becomes a pain in the ### for non-profits since it seems like these forms are not adding in the proper exceptions for non-profits.  Our bank in particular "mistakenly" had personal info requested for running credit, even though we set the biz type to non-profit.
I won't speak as an eggspurt here, but this seems to center around KYC issues and what to us is known as the Beneficial Owners Form;

Here is a generic version, we have a specific one for us -   https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/CDD_Rev6.7_Sept_2017_Certificate.pdf

The PPP apps are not secured, not based on credit and we don't run credit on anyone, but this program did not eliminate the need for banks and other lenders to adhere to FINCEN and Gov regulations.  We collect Ben Owner info and certify against OFAC lists, in our never ending quest to fight Terrorism and Money Laundering.  I know you aren't, but don't blame the banks for this.  We must adhere.  I must adhere or i personally face Criminal prosecution.  AML/KYC stuff is no joke and my institution does not mess around with this.  Our Apps all included a stream lined Ben Owner form built in, so we could adhere to regulations.  What they are asking for is already being gathered by us and i would assume every other lender.  If they are not, they face the wrath of regulators.

Also, many banks have stopped accepting applications.  We have stopped, we are still certifying the apps in our queue and pipeline and are hopeful a new wave of money is made available.  Once it is, we want our customers certified and waiting on SBA registration.  If you are not in that process at your bank, you are likely behind several thousand others that are knocking on the SBA door waiting for registration.

 
They attach strings to the increase in PPP funds: Of the $250 billion increase, $125 billion of the PPP loans must be channeled through “community-based financial institutions that serve farmers, family, women, minority and veteran-owned small businesses and nonprofits in rural, tribal, suburban and urban communities”.

This makes me laugh..........like a big bank like us doesn't do this?  heck, i deal with farmers everyday.  they chose us to bank with as a conscious decision, why should other banks take precedent?  i think this is merely posturing.  It sounds good to the base, but makes little sense.  I deal with women, minorities, farmers and vets (animal and people) all the time.  i'm sure they are pretty happy with how things are going for them.

We are merely a portal to the money that YOU SET UP.  why make access to these funds tougher if you need to use a smaller instititution tat doesn't have our man power or comittment?  i mean, we've been going 24/7 and moving resources, in the thousands (people) to work these apps.  Go funnel these through an institituion that has 6 people using a Wang word processor.  i'm sure this will help the process.  :rolleyes:

 
They attach strings to the increase in PPP funds: Of the $250 billion increase, $125 billion of the PPP loans must be channeled through “community-based financial institutions that serve farmers, family, women, minority and veteran-owned small businesses and nonprofits in rural, tribal, suburban and urban communities”.

This makes me laugh..........like a big bank like us doesn't do this?  heck, i deal with farmers everyday.  they chose us to bank with as a conscious decision, why should other banks take precedent?  i think this is merely posturing.  It sounds good to the base, but makes little sense.  I deal with women, minorities, farmers and vets (animal and people) all the time.  i'm sure they are pretty happy with how things are going for them.

We are merely a portal to the money that YOU SET UP.  why make access to these funds tougher if you need to use a smaller instititution tat doesn't have our man power or comittment?  i mean, we've been going 24/7 and moving resources, in the thousands (people) to work these apps.  Go funnel these through an institituion that has 6 people using a Wang word processor.  i'm sure this will help the process.  :rolleyes:
:lmao:  

That makes me think about the few certifications you had to make:

No, we are not a weed selling porn company.  

The telephone cards one was also a trip - apparently folks use them for gambling.  :confused:

 
:lmao:  

That makes me think about the few certifications you had to make:

No, we are not a weed selling porn company.  

The telephone cards one was also a trip - apparently folks use them for gambling.  :confused:
me no likey cards, porn and weed...............while working. 

 
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Pretty infuriating.  That said, they’re applying for a loan as allowed by the regulations laid forth under the PPP.  Can’t blame either for that.  And of course JPM is going to get those processed at the top of their list.  They were undoubtedly JPM’s two biggest clients applying for the loans, and they get max commission on those amounts.  

Just sick the rules were written that way and that $30MM didn’t go to 300 small businesses that really needed it to stay afloat.

 
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Pretty infuriating.  That said, they’re applying for a loan as allowed by the regulations laid forth under the PPP.  Can’t blame either for that.  And of course JPM is going to get those processed at the top of their list.  They were undoubtedly JPM’s two biggest clients applying for the loans, and they get max commission on those amounts.  

Just sick the rules were written that way and that $30MM didn’t go to 300 small businesses that really needed it to stay afloat.
Even $15-30k would have made a HUGE difference to many small businesses I am aware of.  There are not two sides to the aisle.  Drain the whole effing swamp.

 
Has anyone had any experience with the Families First CoronaVirus Response Act yet?  I'm expecting several employees to take FMLA under this act once we reopen. 

 
I can finally state that my PPP loan application is e-signed and ready to submit to the SBA. It took 3 tries with 3 different banks but I'm finally ready to go when Congress adds more money to the program. Now that I have an account opened with a new local lender, I can't wait to say goodbye to US Bank.

 
Chemical X said:
They attach strings to the increase in PPP funds: Of the $250 billion increase, $125 billion of the PPP loans must be channeled through “community-based financial institutions that serve farmers, family, women, minority and veteran-owned small businesses and nonprofits in rural, tribal, suburban and urban communities”.

This makes me laugh..........like a big bank like us doesn't do this?  heck, i deal with farmers everyday.  they chose us to bank with as a conscious decision, why should other banks take precedent?  i think this is merely posturing.  It sounds good to the base, but makes little sense.  I deal with women, minorities, farmers and vets (animal and people) all the time.  i'm sure they are pretty happy with how things are going for them.

We are merely a portal to the money that YOU SET UP.  why make access to these funds tougher if you need to use a smaller instititution tat doesn't have our man power or comittment?  i mean, we've been going 24/7 and moving resources, in the thousands (people) to work these apps.  Go funnel these through an institituion that has 6 people using a Wang word processor.  i'm sure this will help the process.  :rolleyes:
My application is approved per Webster bank and ready to go for next ppp funds,  would you recommend putting an application with another bank in case something goes wrong?

 
My application is approved per Webster bank and ready to go for next ppp funds,  would you recommend putting an application with another bank in case something goes wrong?
You are dangerously close to a fraud in that situation, based on disclosures.  I'd sit on Webster.  This was my internal fear.  Applicants might double dip.  Not saying you are, but unscrupulous people could.

 
If I read it right, once the bank approval is done, a business would have to approve the amount before the paperwork is sent to the SBA? The business wouldn't accept if they had already accepted from another bank.

My problem is, why would I take up several loan officer's time, when one should do the trick? That just slows down everyone else in the system.

 
You are dangerously close to a fraud in that situation, based on disclosures.  I'd sit on Webster.  This was my internal fear.  Applicants might double dip.  Not saying you are, but unscrupulous people could.
I’m worried Webster is inept as I completed my application April 3rd but didn’t hear back that application was missing initial to 1 question until April 14th so I got shut out.  

 
I’m worried Webster is inept as I completed my application April 3rd but didn’t hear back that application was missing initial to 1 question until April 14th so I got shut out.  
Oh, i'm sure they are inept, but if they aren't.....you could alway submit somewhere else, but read what the disclosures say about multi-applying.  You dont have to sign docs if you double approve.

 
Finally, whew.

We’re excited to let you know your Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loan will be issued.

We’re preparing your closing documents now, and you’ll receive a notification soon from cares@sba.truist.com requesting your electronic signature.

Just a few more steps and your loan will move to final funding!

 
We are really testing the better late than never theory, but finally got this status update this morning on my PPP loan from my bank, so maybe they've at least laid hands on it:

Application Status: Your application will be sent to the Small Business Administration (SBA) for authorization if the federal government approves additional funds for PPP loans and if the Program requirements do not change. If we receive SBA authorization, we will begin preparing your loan documents.
4/21/2020 7:02:53 AM

 
Also, it is really easy to get up with SBA EIDL customer service by phone about your loan.  But they can only confirm they have you in their system with your confirmation number and tell you they will contact you if they need anything else.  

 

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