lardonastick
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I'm flexing Ware over Jeremy Hill and Jordan Reed this week, Non-PPR. 
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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (2 Viewers)
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SameSongNDance
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SameSongNDance
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Uhh, you must not have actually read the last 1-2 days of this thread if you think you're on an island. Or you just like drama. Or you enjoy pretending to be contrarian.
Don't worry, you're special.....just like everyone else.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm honestly perplexed as to why he's so down on a guy who is being drafted as a bench warmer.
You can sort of view him like DWill, who is being drafted in and around the same time. But instead of being on the wrong side of 30 his career is just starting. Also, instead of being behind someone whose career just started he's the back-up to someone who is about be on the wrong side of 30.
I guess he's bizarro DWill.
pinkham13
Footballguy
Im in an 8 teamer too. We drafted very early due to vacation schedules. I dropped Ivory and picked up Ware on waiver.8 team league drafted tonight. Took Ware at 14.2.
Granted, only 8 teams skews things a bit.
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Otis
Footballguy
groin pains
Footballguy
No, not the only person, but certainly the most whiny about it. Don't draft him. Ta da! Problem solved.
need2know
Footballguy
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Just grabbed him of waivers in the one 8 teamed I'm in. It's probably my favorite league even though every roster is stacked to recockulous proportions.8 team league drafted tonight. Took Ware at 14.2.
Granted, only 8 teams skews things a bit.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
2015
NFL
Knee
Charles tore his ACL in week 5 and was placed on IR
2014
NFL
Ankle
Charles suffered a high ankle sprain his ankle in the opening series of his week 2 game against the Broncos.
2013
NFL
Foot
Charles had a scary fall in the preseaon straining some ligaments and missing a few practice sessions. It did not limit him throughout the season
2013
NFL
Head
Charles was knocked out of the Chiefs wild card loss against the Colts with a head injury.
2012
NFL
Head
Had to leave the week 9 game as a result of a head to head collision. He was able to pass his tests and play the following week
2012
NFL
Knee
Charles sprained his surgically repaired ACL and had to leave the game
2011
NFL
Knee
Tore ACL as he was running off the fieldand missed the remaining 14 games of the season. Had surgery and was placed on IR
2008
NFL
Ankle
Charles played through a high ankle sprain for most of the season. He did not miss any games but was pulled out of 3 games
2007
College
Ankle
Aggravated left ankle and had to leave the game
2007
College
Ankle
Sprained ankle and missed a game
2006
College
Ankle
Sprained ankle and missed 2 games
2005
College
Ankle
Left the game due to a sprained ankle
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Dr. Octopus
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At that point in the draft, if you loaded up on WRs early and are looking at RB options, they are all mediocre guys like Ivory, Yeldon, Crowell, Forsett, Vereen, etc. Guys that will be adequate perhaps but aren't winning you your league.
You may as well grab a guy that will be a RB1 for the first couple of weeks and who would still have some upside when Charles comes back if he's either not as effective or never really gets healthy.
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BobbyLayne
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That's the approximate script I followed when I drafted on the 28th. Was coming off a mountain & hadn't checked news before I drafted while driving (I don't recommend this FWIW.) Took Henry in the 9th - RB4 with RB1 upside. People drafting a few days later could reasonably replace that pick with Ware.
After the draft I realized my RB6 had torn his MCL the night before. Dropped Dixon for Ware, in advance of the hype train. Just seemed like handcuff most likely to have immediate value. When the news/hype broke I dealt him for Funchess. Not great value but at the time that's about what he commanded and it was going to take 2-3 injuries (Ingram, Freeman, Duke, Heisman) before I thought I would plug in Ware. With 20-20 hindsight a little patience would have been the prudent play. Whatever, forward.
So ready for the games to begin.
I could be wrong (probably not), but the vibe I'm getting is that Charles just isn't the same guy anymore and is not as good as the young bucks on the team. Two blown knees will do that to a guy. What I'm saying is that I THINK it MAY be that they aren't simply waiting for him to heal and then he'll be back to form but that they can see he's not going to ever be back to form and the new version isn't their best option.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
$3.75M contract, $3M roster bonus, $250k workout bonus. Total $7M, no guaranteed or dead money. Final year of deal.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
probably not a bad option to pair with Bell if you cant get williams
VaTerp
Footballguy
Yup. I think Ware, and Deangelo for that matter, are great picks where they are going in drafts. They will get plenty of volume early and are plug and play in your lineup for- at least with DW, the first 3 weeks of the season.
By that time its likely that other flex/RB2-3 types have emerged either on your bench or on the wire. In FF sometimes it pays to be short sighted.
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Jayrod
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Bingo. I have him in a league where Williams got sniped early and I'm crossing my fingers waiting on waivers to get Ware (8 team league)
Seeing this makes me realize what a tough SOB Charles is. Obviously an ACL tear is a fluke injury that's going to put you out rest of season, but he does not miss much time from other less serious injuries that would have many other guys out for longer periods. He is pretty resilient and I'm not ready to label him as a guy falling off the cliff this year or injury prone.
That said, I can see him sharing carries with ware or west all year to stay fresh, but he only needs 10-15 touches to be startable. I think ware also has value as a low end rb2-3 all year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Personally, yes - since I haven't drafted yet and would grab Ware over either member of a mediocre RBBC.
djjosee
Footballguy
Same here ... DeWill got picked up 3 spots before me. For some reason I feels batter with Ware ...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
We had some exchanges in the FFA I wish we hadn't but it's good to be back with some clear thinking owners in the SP.
I'm feeling like Ware is this last minute gotta have guy. I'm convinced now that Charles will be splitting time, if that's 2 drives on, 1 drive off, but Ware is going to have some real touches in the offense this season. Different coaches and slightly different era but Priest/LJ comes to mind here, it's going to be difficult to keep Ware off the field.
Reid's offense rarely utilizes a 2 back approach but maybe things will be different this season.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Jamal charles to practice today??
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Insoxicated
The problem here is IF Bell goes down mid-season (again), Ware isn't the instant starter to plug in again, like DWill would be.djjosee said:Same here ... DeWill got picked up 3 spots before me. For some reason I feels batter with Ware ...
As a consolation prize, he's solid... but I'm not sure I'd feel batter [sic] with Ware
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
What happens in the FFA stays in the FFA.Ministry of Pain said:
I'm also convinced that Ware is going to at the least monopolize short yardage/GL work regardless as to whether or not Charles is healthy this year. Until they actually utilize Kelce, Ware seems to be their best bet to score TDs in the RZ.
Last year, within the opposing teams 5 yard line, Ware carried the ball 7 times and scored 5 TDs, good for a 71% conversion rate. West in comparison had 6 carries and only converted on 2 of them (33%).
Charles has never been bad in this department, but I don't see a reason for KC to use him when they have Ware.
Limited.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
More importantly, West (elbow) practiced in full.
jtd13
Footballguy
Dynasty, I offered Damarco Murray for him to the Henry owner, but it was rejected.
I was a little surprised by that, since Henry is seemingly his RB2.
kutta
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This may be one of those trades where you look back and thank the guy for not accepting it.
The age difference is significant I suppose all that should not matter too much at the RB position imo, even in dynasty. He has Henry so he doesn't believe in Murray is basically what this comes down to. This might be the owner who values Murray the least in your league.
jtd13
Footballguy
Maybe I will be thankful he rejected it. I'm not starting Murray, and I thought there was a decent chance I'd prefer Ware by the end of the season. But it seems you are right they the other owner is not high on Murray and thinks Henry will have the job sooner rather than later.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Scooped him up in the 10th tonight, passed on him a couple times but he made it way too easy with a likely top10 Week 1 performance. RB4/Flex, really hope he does explode and give the Chiefs a good reason to roll with him until Charles is 100% back.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
I have Ware in a dynasty league. and play on playing him this week.
couldn't get him in redraft but... if your able to pair him with bell its a cheaper alternative to pairing him with foster, or Williams. .. although it seems like ware price is on the rise this week and C. west is going undrafted
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Unless you can only start 2 RBs and those guys are ADP and Todd Gurley...he is likely the starter, West has some injury he's nursing, Ware is likely to see a lion's share of the touches, I'm flexing him and then dangling him because the Charles owner will learn quickly that there is going to be a shared load if both are healthy.
-Does anyone think Charles sits week 1 but then suddenly takes 20 touches Week 2? Once Charles is active and playing, I still think it's 60/40 Ware the 1st game or two back, maybe longer and then Charles will assume more and more of a role as they get close to the playoffs and the games have a little more weight to them.
There's no reason for KC to wear down Charles when you have a guy who can carry a good chunk of the load and look good doing it.
I'm greedy though, you might want to paint the same story I did with an emphasis on Week 1 and see if you can upgrade a WR3 to a WR2 or something.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Swapped him for Melvin Gordon in a dynasty league.
Johnny Bing
Footballguy
If Charles is not playing or very limited and Ware is the carrier against the Chargers, I'd imagine his stock will increase after week 1.
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