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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain said:
Unless you can only start 2 RBs and those guys are ADP and Todd Gurley...he is likely the starter, West has some injury he's nursing, Ware is likely to see a lion's share of the touches, I'm flexing him and then dangling him because the Charles owner will learn quickly that there is going to be a shared load if both are healthy. 

-Does anyone think Charles sits week 1 but then suddenly takes 20 touches Week 2? Once Charles is active and playing, I still think it's 60/40 Ware the 1st game or two back, maybe longer and then Charles will assume more and more of a role as they get close to the playoffs and the games have a little more weight to them. 

There's no reason for KC to wear down Charles when you have a guy who can carry a good chunk of the load and look good doing it. 

I'm greedy though, you might want to paint the same story I did with an emphasis on Week 1 and see if you can upgrade a WR3 to a WR2 or something. 
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I don't think Charles will get a full load of carries for a few weeks.   Just trying to decide if I go after an upgrade at WR now or wait until the Charles owner is even more frustrated after week one.  I know he already isn't happy with his team.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Unless you can only start 2 RBs and those guys are ADP and Todd Gurley...he is likely the starter, West has some injury he's nursing, Ware is likely to see a lion's share of the touches, I'm flexing him and then dangling him because the Charles owner will learn quickly that there is going to be a shared load if both are healthy. 

-Does anyone think Charles sits week 1 but then suddenly takes 20 touches Week 2? Once Charles is active and playing, I still think it's 60/40 Ware the 1st game or two back, maybe longer and then Charles will assume more and more of a role as they get close to the playoffs and the games have a little more weight to them. 

There's no reason for KC to wear down Charles when you have a guy who can carry a good chunk of the load and look good doing it. 

I'm greedy though, you might want to paint the same story I did with an emphasis on Week 1 and see if you can upgrade a WR3 to a WR2 or something. 
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With Andy Reid this could absolutely happen imo

 
I just swapped spencer ware for a 2017 1st in a 12 team ppr dynasty league to the jamaal charles owner.  I considered holding out until after week one but the potential for a ware injury and value loss made me do the deal now.

 
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Here's some perspective....last night, CJ Anderson had two touchdowns on 24 touches. If he duplicated that the next two games, he'd have 6 touchdowns on 72 touches.  Last year, Ware had 8 touchdowns on 77 touches. Just think about that for a while.

 
JuniorNB said:
Here's some perspective....last night, CJ Anderson had two touchdowns on 24 touches. If he duplicated that the next two games, he'd have 6 touchdowns on 72 touches.  Last year, Ware had 8 touchdowns on 77 touches. Just think about that for a while.
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Numbers are fun

 
Penguin said:
Ware & Karlos Williams were TD monsters per touch in 2015, anomaly? 
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Charles always was too. The KC offense is a dink and dunk, eat up first downs kind of offense. Then they use their backs in the red zone. Obviously there's skill involved, but there always seem to be plenty of opportunities. Plus, Smith isn't a Winston/Newton type who likes to get the rushing touchdowns to bolster stats. That helps. Ware is a battering ram. He gets an eight yard head of steam and it's hard to stop him for a yard or two, even if you're between him and the goal line.

 
JuniorNB said:
Here's some perspective....last night, CJ Anderson had two touchdowns on 24 touches. If he duplicated that the next two games, he'd have 6 touchdowns on 72 touches.  Last year, Ware had 8 touchdowns on 77 touches. Just think about that for a while.
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More perspective... Julio Jones had 8 TDs on 203 targets last year.  Doug Baldwin had 11 TDs on 40 targets over a 5 week stretch last year.  Jones still being drafted as WR3 overall, Baldwin still being drafted as WR20+ overall.  Strange things happen sometimes.  Not to say Ware can't repeat that TD success, just saying it's not likely.

 
jmo87usc said:
More perspective... Julio Jones had 8 TDs on 203 targets last year.  Doug Baldwin had 11 TDs on 40 targets over a 5 week stretch last year.  Jones still being drafted as WR3 overall, Baldwin still being drafted as WR20+ overall.  Strange things happen sometimes.  Not to say Ware can't repeat that TD success, just saying it's not likely.
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And like Ware, I think Baldwin was drafted criminally low this season.  Good example.  Also, there's no way he keeps up his touchdown-every-ten-touches pace, but it gives you an idea how great he is in the red zone. And since touchdowns are worth the same as 60 yards rushing, that's huge.

 
TripItUp said:
Charles is such an awesome buy low...I'd be selling Ware after a strong week 1 performance.
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And we know this how? I am one of the biggest Jamal Charles fans on these boards. Rode that guy to multiple titles. But at almost 30 years old and coming off his second ACL....you are speculating. That's all you are doing. Have you seen him running and cutting hard on that knee in camp? Have you watched practice? Are you a KC homer?

Seriously how do you know he is a great buy low?

Now the second part of your post I can agree with. If I can move Ware for some really good talent to an owner desperate for a RB. That part....we agree. Ware is unproven and if he goes off this week his value may never be higher.

But it is a slippery slope trying to determine where Charles is because none of us have seen him take a single solitary snap post 2nd ACL surgery at almost 30 years old now. And his game is total predicated on hard stops, cut backs and pure agility running. He is not a low to the ground (low center of gravity) banger like Frank Gore....who is not human when it comes to recovering from ACL's and shoulder surgery. But also Gore was very young when he blew out both his knees at UM. 

I would love to see Charles recover and have a great year...because that guy is a baller. But I have serious doubts we ever see the Jamal Charles we want ever again.

 
I like ware and expect good numbers this week but anyone acting like they know the exact split between ware and west is lying.  The more I look at this the more I see more of a timeshare than I initially thought.  Not saying not to start ware, but expectations should be tempered.  He keeps getting touted as a slam dunk rb1 this week and I have some doubts.  

 
need2know said:
I like ware and expect good numbers this week but anyone acting like they know the exact split between ware and west is lying.  The more I look at this the more I see more of a timeshare than I initially thought.  Not saying not to start ware, but expectations should be tempered.  He keeps getting touted as a slam dunk rb1 this week and I have some doubts.  
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Same here. He is the bigger back and will get the goal line looks and that is what I am banking on. I am expecting a rout and a lot of running the football this week from KC. But it clearly seems to me like a timeshare unless one back get's ridiculous hot and the other is cold.

This week can be a good tell as to how Reid is handling this while Charles in on the mend.

 
Todem said:
Same here. He is the bigger back and will get the goal line looks and that is what I am banking on. I am expecting a rout and a lot of running the football this week from KC. But it clearly seems to me like a timeshare unless one back get's ridiculous hot and the other is cold.

This week can be a good tell as to how Reid is handling this while Charles in on the mend.
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Agree.  We should have full confirmation after this week.  Esp if the game is close

 
got Ware at 9.08 in a 16-team league (pick #136).  Tempering expectations, but knowingly drafted him for upside.  Realistic options:

1) Charles gets healthy and becomes #1 on the depth chart; Ware is #2/COP/breather for Charles (Ware goes back to my bench or bye week/flex play)

2) Charles doesn't get healthy or gets nicked again and Ware retains #1 status (upside)

3) Unknown status/future of Charles, so trade Ware to a an 0-2 team, especially if he starts strong, before Charles fully returns

 
Assume Ware looks good and West gets touches and looks good. 

Ware 17/80/Td +2/20, guy can catch, he did it in the preseason very well. 

West 13/60 +3 receptions

Now Charles comes back and you have teams struggling to find one guy to make plays at RB for them...they need to think about a trade. 

 
Reid now not committing to ware....really worried about a 50/50 timeshare with west

I bought a ton of ware shares recently as high as the 6th to 8th round...now thinking maybe west was the value play

Am I overreading this????

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Assume Ware looks good and West gets touches and looks good. 

Ware 17/80/Td +2/20, guy can catch, he did it in the preseason very well. 

West 13/60 +3 receptions

Now Charles comes back and you have teams struggling to find one guy to make plays at RB for them...they need to think about a trade. 
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They know more than anyone about the real condition of Charles' knee.  If they offer up West in a trade to someone, that would be a great indication that Charles is going to be fine. But I'm not sure they are 100% confident in that at this point.

 
I expect Ware to get the majority of work and get first crack at establishing himself as the primary guy after Charles. West will probably get mixed in, and if Charles falters, West could see more work than expected. I would expect a 65/35 split this week, especially if the Chiefs are ahead late and West gets some garbage time touches.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
 Awesome!!!!! Your  individual thoughts are so important they needed they're own thread ! 

 Stupid millennials! 
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Honestly, the angry old men who police threads are far more damaging to this board.  Where were you a few days ago when spoof threads were all over the front page?  

FBGs should welcome a new voice, the old posters with substance are largely gone and you're left with a bunch of bitter amateur comedians who's first instincts are to lampoon everything.

 
The Kansas City Star suggests the Chiefs will use a "timeshare" backfield involving both Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware.
The Star's Terez Paylor notes that West recently "leapfrogged" Ware on the Chiefs' website depth chart. "We'll find a way to get it in their hands," said coach Andy Reid. Although we still anticipate Ware working as the Chiefs' Week 1 lead back against San Diego, there appears to be a growing possibility that West could be heavily involved as well, particularly in the passing game
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Thats the sound of a balloon fizzling you hear
 
tone1oc said:
Honestly, the angry old men who police threads are far more damaging to this board.  Where were you a few days ago when spoof threads were all over the front page?  

FBGs should welcome a new voice, the old posters with substance are largely gone and you're left with a bunch of bitter amateur comedians who's first instincts are to lampoon everything.
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I'm still here.

 
tone1oc said:
I was just kidding mostly, but you most recently you are wrong about Bennett/Hogan
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LOL. Being wrong on events that haven't even happened yet. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it.

But as the saying goes, I could agree with you on Bennett/Hogan, but then we'd both be wrong.

 
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How about we let them play their first freaking game of the season.

Holy #### Batman. People are crazy.

 
shadyridr said:
Not really speculation. When West and Ware both played last year West was the workhorse in most games and in the other games it was a 50/50 split.
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Early on. Ware averaged 5.8 ypc compared to West's 4.0. The separation was obvious.   West will be involved as a third down back. But he's no more of a problem to Ware's production than McKinnon is to Peterson's.

 
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