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[Stinkin Ref]

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan

RB: Ryan Grant

WR: Larry Fitzgerald , DeSean Jackson

TE: Owen Daniels

PK:

DEF:

Pretty much exactly how I wanted to roll with the 7th pick.WR/WR was the correct call for me, affording me flexibility with the WR3 spot.

Was torn between Ryan Grant and Schaub in the 3rd, bu I saw plenty of QB value in Round 5 and Grant was already picked in the other 3 SSLs well before the middle of the 3rd - so I took the value there.

Hoped for OD to slip to me in Round 4 and it worked out fine. Kolb was going to be my pick in Round 5 but he went in the Top 10 (sounds a little high, but I can understand it with that pass-happy offense). Chose Ryan over some others based on schedules.

I like this start so far.

guess I don't get that (bolded)....indications are you were sitting on him thinking he was your bonus baby in the 5th.....I take him with the second to last pick in the 4th knowing the guy in the 1 hole will probably take him if I don't....if I don't, he does, and if he doesn't, I get him at 5.02 which is only 6 spots ahead of where you were hoping to take him...so not quite sure where the "seems a little early" part factors in.....probably justification for passing on him in 4th.....no big deal either way, but quite honestly I am surprised he made it to you in the 4th to begin with...seeing what has happened in the other drafts only matters so much.....the previous drafts are a good foundation, nothing more...with Kolb, seriously this is all about the situation, where he has gone in other drafts meant didly to me....actually kind of pissed at myself for not jumping on him (or sitting on him) for that matter in the other drafts.....been so I digress

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

 

[HellToupee]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

I'm not a fan of taking 2Qs in the 1st 5 rounds but felt I couldn't pass on the value. Hopefully between Schaub/Cutler I'll get high production every week.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Ruffyrodys05

QB: Joe Flacco

RB: Maurice Jones Drew , Ryan Matthews

WR: Marques Colston , Percy Harvin

TE:

PK:

DEF:

as mentioned MJD was a gift and an awesome start.....don't feel the Percy love as much as you or others....lot of options in MIN and not sure where he finishes.....he won't be on any/many of my teams...Matthews came to you in the 3rd which IMO is great value ....and I love Flacco as a QB on the team he is on but in fantasy he's on a run first, team.....Cutler seemed like a great pick here, but other guys passed on him too so not sure what the deal is......

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

Uber talented and a head case is alot scarier at QB than say WR

 

[Pickle Rody]

:X as mentioned MJD was a gift and an awesome start.....don't feel the Percy love as much as you or others....lot of options in MIN and not sure where he finishes.....he won't be on any/many of my teams...Matthews came to you in the 3rd which IMO is great value ....and I love Flacco as a QB on the team he is on but in fantasy he's on a run first, team.....Cutler seemed like a great pick here, but other guys passed on him too so not sure what the deal is......

It certainly is debatable whether Mathews was value, let alone great value. I just knew that if I wanted him I had to take him there. I wanted Nicks (or maybe Daniels) at 4.11 and both went immediately before me. So I took Harvin because I truly believe the old guy will be back and I like Harvin's potential to have a larger role in the Vikings offense. At 5.06 I planned on Bowe, but he went the pick before mine so I switched gears. Looking at TE, I didn't like anybody here in the 5th so I went QB. Thought about Ryan, McNabb and Cutler. I guess I'm not buying into the Bears offense much right now. I like Flacco's upside better than either McNabb or Ryan.It may cost me by waiting on a TE. Although, with the QB run going on right now, I probably made the right decision. I don't recall if I've ever drafted out of the 6th slot in these before, but it is interesting and I'm enjoying myself immensely.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan

RB: Ryan Grant

WR: Larry Fitzgerald , DeSean Jackson

TE: Owen Daniels

PK:

DEF:

Pretty much exactly how I wanted to roll with the 7th pick.WR/WR was the correct call for me, affording me flexibility with the WR3 spot.

Was torn between Ryan Grant and Schaub in the 3rd, bu I saw plenty of QB value in Round 5 and Grant was already picked in the other 3 SSLs well before the middle of the 3rd - so I took the value there.

Hoped for OD to slip to me in Round 4 and it worked out fine. Kolb was going to be my pick in Round 5 but he went in the Top 10 (sounds a little high, but I can understand it with that pass-happy offense). Chose Ryan over some others based on schedules.

I like this start so far.

guess I don't get that (bolded)....indications are you were sitting on him thinking he was your bonus baby in the 5th.....I take him with the second to last pick in the 4th knowing the guy in the 1 hole will probably take him if I don't....if I don't, he does, and if he doesn't, I get him at 5.02 which is only 6 spots ahead of where you were hoping to take him...so not quite sure where the "seems a little early" part factors in.....probably justification for passing on him in 4th.....no big deal either way, but quite honestly I am surprised he made it to you in the 4th to begin with...seeing what has happened in the other drafts only matters so much.....the previous drafts are a good foundation, nothing more...with Kolb, seriously this is all about the situation, where he has gone in other drafts meant didly to me....actually kind of pissed at myself for not jumping on him (or sitting on him) for that matter in the other drafts.....been so I digress

Nothing wrong with him in the Top 10.... I think I have him there as well, just knowing that some of the other guys who just went (Ryan, Cutler, poss. McNabb) were held in higher regard.I like the pick and was hoping he'd get to me at QB11-13. Didn't happen, but I'm fine with getting Ryan.... more on that next.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

Uber talented and a head case is alot scarier at QB than say WR

On the surface, I'm all about Cutler with Martz.... then I re-thought things when I was on the clock. I wondered why I hesitated, so I took a minute and remembered:1. Martz does nothing to protect QBs properly. Cutler could get killed back there because the O-line for the Bears last year was a and they've done nothing aside from adding a blocking TE to help. Not good.2. The schedule. Chicago plays some tough teams down the stretch (and yes, I'm looking at December - I'm gunning to win this thing not just make Top 3-6). Final 4 games: Pats, Vikings, Jets, Packers. Tough defenses.3. Weather is a slight factor. Normally Martz is great in a dome or in warm weather - how will that do in the cold?Three reasons (and 1 and 2 are strong) to look at Ryan instead.

 

[menobrown]

....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....

Cutler was #2 in attempts in 2008 and #5 in attempts last year. He's pretty much been a high volume passer since he became a starter so I'm not sure I can forecast a sizable increase in attempts. If his numbers improve this year I think it will have more to do with the growth of and familiarity with his WR's.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan

RB: Ryan Grant

WR: Larry Fitzgerald , DeSean Jackson

TE: Owen Daniels

PK:

DEF:

Pretty much exactly how I wanted to roll with the 7th pick.WR/WR was the correct call for me, affording me flexibility with the WR3 spot.

Was torn between Ryan Grant and Schaub in the 3rd, bu I saw plenty of QB value in Round 5 and Grant was already picked in the other 3 SSLs well before the middle of the 3rd - so I took the value there.

Hoped for OD to slip to me in Round 4 and it worked out fine. Kolb was going to be my pick in Round 5 but he went in the Top 10 (sounds a little high, but I can understand it with that pass-happy offense). Chose Ryan over some others based on schedules.

I like this start so far.

guess I don't get that (bolded)....indications are you were sitting on him thinking he was your bonus baby in the 5th.....I take him with the second to last pick in the 4th knowing the guy in the 1 hole will probably take him if I don't....if I don't, he does, and if he doesn't, I get him at 5.02 which is only 6 spots ahead of where you were hoping to take him...so not quite sure where the "seems a little early" part factors in.....probably justification for passing on him in 4th.....no big deal either way, but quite honestly I am surprised he made it to you in the 4th to begin with...seeing what has happened in the other drafts only matters so much.....the previous drafts are a good foundation, nothing more...with Kolb, seriously this is all about the situation, where he has gone in other drafts meant didly to me....actually kind of pissed at myself for not jumping on him (or sitting on him) for that matter in the other drafts.....been so I digress

Nothing wrong with him in the Top 10.... I think I have him there as well, just knowing that some of the other guys who just went (Ryan, Cutler, poss. McNabb) were held in higher regard.I like the pick and was hoping he'd get to me at QB11-13. Didn't happen, but I'm fine with getting Ryan.... more on that next.

????....so which is it, "but he went in the top 10, it sounded a little high".....or "ok to be top 10"...?.... I got him at QB9.....where did you have him .?..did you have Ryan , Cutler, McNabb ahead of him...?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

I'm not a fan of taking 2Qs in the 1st 5 rounds but felt I couldn't pass on the value. Hopefully between Schaub/Cutler I'll get high production every week.

may or may not work, but good value and he ain't on somebody else's roster in this format....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

Uber talented and a head case is alot scarier at QB than say WR

all about the numbers...I hate Cutler and his attitude....but he can chuck it...helltoupee gets it...

 

[menobrown]

????....so which is it, it sounded a little high.....or ok to be top 10...?....I got him at QB9.....where did you have him .?..did you have Ryan , Cutler, McNabb ahead of him...?

I'll add my two cents. I consider Kolb in the top 10 and thought he went right about were he should have gone in terms of being the #9 QB. Would probably prefer Kolb over Eli who went at #8 and I'm big on Eli this next season. Stafford who went right after Kolb as QB#10 I thought also went right were he should have gone as I had him rated next.Big reason I took so long between my 4.16 and 5.1 was I prepared to go Felix and Kolb or Best and Kolb if Felix was gone. When Kolb went I grabbed Felix and than had to decide between Stafford, Maclin or saying screw need and take what I thought was the best value at the time in Jahvid Best. In the end I did not want to take a third RB over a potential weekly starter so that ruled him out. Thought if I took Stafford at 5.1 it would be 20-30 spots higher than he normally goes so I passed on him and took Maclin. Than Stafford and Best went with the next two picks. I've had a lot of buyers remorse over passing those two.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

Uber talented and a head case is alot scarier at QB than say WR

On the surface, I'm all about Cutler with Martz.... then I re-thought things when I was on the clock. I wondered why I hesitated, so I took a minute and remembered:1. Martz does nothing to protect QBs properly. Cutler could get killed back there because the O-line for the Bears last year was a and they've done nothing aside from adding a blocking TE to help. Not good.

2. The schedule. Chicago plays some tough teams down the stretch (and yes, I'm looking at December - I'm gunning to win this thing not just make Top 3-6). Final 4 games: Pats, Vikings, Jets, Packers. Tough defenses.

3. Weather is a slight factor. Normally Martz is great in a dome or in warm weather - how will that do in the cold?

Three reasons (and 1 and 2 are strong) to look at Ryan instead.

IMO anyody that passed on Cutler after Kolb made a mistake.....not sure what "on the surface" means in fantasy, but even if Martz is not around Cutler has some weapons and they chuck it....this team ain't relyin on Forte to pound it out....and Taylor may play a bigger role than Forte....and honestly I hope none of us are eyeballing second place......

 

[Domination]

IMO anyody that passed on Cutler after Kolb made a mistake.....not sure what "on the surface" means in fantasy, but even if Martz is not around Cutler has some weapons and they chuck it....this team ain't relyin on Forte to pound it out....and Taylor may play a bigger role than Forte....

and honestly I hope none of us are eyeballing second place......

I believe that Martz factor will help Cutler this year, but he DOES NOT have weapons. The WRs on that team would be lucky to be anything more than WR#3s on almost any other team. Last year the defense struggled and so did Forte, which lead to Cutler's high attempts and numbers. The Bears improve their defense and added another quality RB in Taylor. I think that Lovie goes back to what he knows which is strong defense and running the ball. I think that when Cutler throws the ball this year he will be more successful due to the improved running game. But I will be surprised if he comes any where near his attepmts from last year.

 

[tex]

I had made up my mind last night that Reggie Bush was my pick. I knew beachbum wouldn't take him since he already had Pierre and hermit already had 2 RB's so he likely would not take him either. Was pleased to see him still there at 5.12.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan

RB: Ryan Grant

WR: Larry Fitzgerald , DeSean Jackson

TE: Owen Daniels

PK:

DEF:

Pretty much exactly how I wanted to roll with the 7th pick.WR/WR was the correct call for me, affording me flexibility with the WR3 spot.

Was torn between Ryan Grant and Schaub in the 3rd, bu I saw plenty of QB value in Round 5 and Grant was already picked in the other 3 SSLs well before the middle of the 3rd - so I took the value there.

Hoped for OD to slip to me in Round 4 and it worked out fine. Kolb was going to be my pick in Round 5 but he went in the Top 10 (sounds a little high, but I can understand it with that pass-happy offense). Chose Ryan over some others based on schedules.

I like this start so far.

guess I don't get that (bolded)....indications are you were sitting on him thinking he was your bonus baby in the 5th.....I take him with the second to last pick in the 4th knowing the guy in the 1 hole will probably take him if I don't....if I don't, he does, and if he doesn't, I get him at 5.02 which is only 6 spots ahead of where you were hoping to take him...so not quite sure where the "seems a little early" part factors in.....probably justification for passing on him in 4th.....no big deal either way, but quite honestly I am surprised he made it to you in the 4th to begin with...seeing what has happened in the other drafts only matters so much.....the previous drafts are a good foundation, nothing more...with Kolb, seriously this is all about the situation, where he has gone in other drafts meant didly to me....actually kind of pissed at myself for not jumping on him (or sitting on him) for that matter in the other drafts.....been so I digress

Nothing wrong with him in the Top 10.... I think I have him there as well, just knowing that some of the other guys who just went (Ryan, Cutler, poss. McNabb) were held in higher regard.I like the pick and was hoping he'd get to me at QB11-13. Didn't happen, but I'm fine with getting Ryan.... more on that next.

????....so which is it, "but he went in the top 10, it sounded a little high".....or "ok to be top 10"...?.... I got him at QB9.....where did you have him .?..did you have Ryan , Cutler, McNabb ahead of him...?

I expected him to be outside the Top 10. I have him ranked 12th in a normal redraft. Ryan/Cutler/McNabb/Kolb were all considerations right in Rounds 4 and 5.... thought I made that clear.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

the Cutler slide is interesting to me with the numbers he put up last year even in a "bad" year and 1st year with the team....and now a pass happy coach coming in.....Eli, Kolb, Stafford, Ryan, and Flacco all got taken before him....I could be way off base, but just interesting.....Cutler is uber talented even tho a head case, and has some weapons...great value where taken IMO with who was taken ahead of him.....

Uber talented and a head case is alot scarier at QB than say WR

On the surface, I'm all about Cutler with Martz.... then I re-thought things when I was on the clock. I wondered why I hesitated, so I took a minute and remembered:1. Martz does nothing to protect QBs properly. Cutler could get killed back there because the O-line for the Bears last year was a and they've done nothing aside from adding a blocking TE to help. Not good.

2. The schedule. Chicago plays some tough teams down the stretch (and yes, I'm looking at December - I'm gunning to win this thing not just make Top 3-6). Final 4 games: Pats, Vikings, Jets, Packers. Tough defenses.

3. Weather is a slight factor. Normally Martz is great in a dome or in warm weather - how will that do in the cold?

Three reasons (and 1 and 2 are strong) to look at Ryan instead.

IMO anyody that passed on Cutler after Kolb made a mistake.....not sure what "on the surface" means in fantasy, but even if Martz is not around Cutler has some weapons and they chuck it....this team ain't relyin on Forte to pound it out....and Taylor may play a bigger role than Forte....and honestly I hope none of us are eyeballing second place......

I'll try and break it down further.... "on the surface" means that if you just think Cutler chucks it a ton and Martz calls a ton of passes, of course you want Cutler.... but then you have to look harder at the situation. His O-line is terrible and Martz QBs get sacked a lot. I don't know if Cutler will still be starting in December behind that porous O-line..... and if he is, that December schedule looks like 4 bad matchups.

 

[bostonfred]

QB Manning

RB Ronnie Brown

RB

WR Steve Smith (nyg)

WR Mike Sims-Walker

WR

TE Antonio Gates

K

D

I agonized for a while over the Ronnie Brown pick, because there are three receivers I like, and while Brown was the highest rated RB left on my board, he's coming back from injury and is still technically a free agent. I'm hoping one of them slides to my next pick, or I'll be making a pretty big reach at my next pick.

 

[Crippler]

Brown was the other guy I looked at when I took Forte. I went the safer route because of the injury

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

If I take 7+ hours before I pick a few times, can I be a staffer too?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

I'm happy at this point. Wanted Britt at 6.11 and Mason was my next choice. I was worried that Toupee and Pasquino would both crap on my list, but Mason made it to me. I did have one more player in mind if Jeff took Mason, but I'll talk about him later. If Harvin performs as a WR3, I think Mason could fill the role of WR2 on this team. Either way, I think they are probably interchangeable on any given week, but others might not. Honestly not worried about bye weeks right now.

 

[Crippler]

QB Rivers, Big Ben

RB McCoy, Forte

WR JOhnson, Boldin, Breaston

I am liking it. Big Ben was less of a risk for me having Rivers already on board and I get what I think is easy a top 10 QB in my eyes at discount price and I feel I dont need a 3rd. My RB's will suffice. Not great but both have good hands and should help the cause. Love my WR situation at this point. 3 big names will help with only having 18 man rosters this time. You cant go gunshot approach as much. TE has suffered and I truly wish I had taken Finley in the 2nd, Cutler in the 5th and Big Ben in the 7th and gone shotgun approach with RB. But the cards are set and there is still quite a few TE's I like out there. Some will go for sure but when you have 7 you dont mind, you have options.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

Carlson was the other player I had targeted last round if I didn't get a WR I wanted. I think Carlson is an okay starting TE this format.

 

[teamramrod]

on my celly which is painful....

Jeets and Roddy are good people. Thanks to them again.

Peace

 

[Crippler]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

Carlson was the other player I had targeted last round if I didn't get a WR I wanted. I think Carlson is an okay starting TE end this format.

Carlson was my pick till the QB run started. I did not want to get left behind at this position with them going fast.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I thought about Carlson as well, but with 28 picks between my picks I couldn't take a chance on not getting a serviceable QB2......there are just so many question marks out there at QB this year.......

 

[Nugget]

Deranged Hermit - Sorry to lose you - hope to see you next season in one of these (but hopefully I move up this time).

- The Future Champ - Welcome and best of luck!

 

[bostonfred]

QB Peyton Manning

RB1 Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams

RB2 TBD

WR1 Steve Smith (NYG)

WR2 Mike Sims-Walker

WR3 Robert Meachem

TE Antonio Gates

I'm not 100% sold on the Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams handcuff. It may backfire badly, or they may have yet another year where they're a quality tandem and both end up starting some weeks. But I have such strong QB/TE and I like my WRs a good bit, so when I considered taking a bunch of backs, or effectively locking up one, it seemed like my best option was to get the RB1BC and worry about the RB2BC later. I'm definitely giving up points at RB2 every week, and probably giving up some points at WR to the better teams, but my RB1 position is on much stronger footing now.

 

[RC94]

Nugget - please note that the TE. Zach Miller I drafted is the one from Oakland.

 

[tex]

Wanted Leinert at 8.05 but Jeter beat me to him. I felt there was more value at other positions with this pick but QB2 NOW was a must. If I had waited on QB2 at 9.12 I would have been in huge trouble. Campbell and Orton were the only 2 I considered with the pick and just felt better with Orton having a better team around him. There will still be other decent picks left when I come up again and I don't have to worry about QB2 now.

 

[RC94]

I wanted to wait on a backup QB as well but Hasselbeck was the only decent NFL starting QB remaining who doesn't have the same bye week as my starter so I had to take him now.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

<Rosters>

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan (8), David Garrard (9)

RB: Ryan Grant (10) , Clinton Portis (9)

WR: Larry Fitzgerald (6), DeSean Jackson (8) , Santana Moss (9)

TE: Owen Daniels (7)

PK:

DEF:

I have my starters in place now and I like the general feel of this team. Two solid QBs despite the rumors on Garrard being threatened as a starter, three strong WRs and two capable RBs. Grant's a clear feature RB and I think Portis can push for 1,000 yards with Shanahan again. Owen Daniels is a great TE1.

Overall I like this club and now can worry about depth.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

Felt the need to grab QB2 here. Had multiple options for several positions this round but, as others have mentioned, I also couldn't afford to wait on QB2. This draft, while not perfect, has been very satisfying so far.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I'm sure glad I went with two QB's at the 6/7 turn. Thought about gambling and taking one and figured at least one guy between Cassel, Freeman, Lienhart, Campbell or Moore would be around. This draft is the earliest I've seen teams loading up on the second QB which is creating a lot of good value plays at other positions.

Yeah, you made out good with that call. It probably helped the QB2 run to start. Like I said, I kinda' felt pressured into taking QB2 here, where otherwise I wouldn't have. Even still, for some reason it isn't bothering me all that much. I feel that I probably got the last decent QB2 option out there. Agreed, more value plays will trickle down at other positions.While we've had some slight glitches, this draft is very enjoyable for me. I am liking the competition here in this league. Solid all around.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

quite honestly before meno pulled the trigger on two qb's at the turn, I thought about taking my second anyway and then just taking BPA after his picks, but didn't see a ton of difference between what was left even if he took two....as I stated in the pick thread, I almost wanted to puke taking Cassel over what was left on the board at other positions, but didn't want to be on the outside looking in if the run happened....really think that stretch between Kolb and Cutler falling to where he was taken as a QB2 helped dictate the early QB2 run/almost QB1 run for some.....and then menobrown and I take 3 in a row...QB2 may have quite a bit more value this year than in the past with all the questions.....would be curious to know how many times the guy that wins has his QB2 start for him.....kind of a nice risk/reward option this yaer at QB that maybe hasn't been there in the past as far as taking two early or not......definately let some other players fall......may see a later dst/kicker as a result......

 

[Crippler]

LOL @ me taking Keller. I debated who would last in the end and almost went with LT but saw you had no TE so went the other direction and hoped

Oh well. Avery will do the trick as my #4 WR. I might even go with only 1 more WR with these 18 man rosters now.

LT was a steal BTW. Cant believe how far he fell in a couple of drafts. I think he would have make an excellent #3 RB and will give #2 numbers

 

[menobrown]

I'm sure glad I went with two QB's at the 6/7 turn.

. It probably helped the QB2 run to start.

That was not the primary reason I went back to back QB's but I thought if I did it had a decent chance to set off a run. Not sure the run happens if not for Stinking however. When he took Casell making three QB's in a row and followed that up with his comments I think that really setup the run.

 

[Jason Wood]

QB -- Aaron Rodgers, GB

QB -- Josh Freeman, TB

RB -- DeAngelo Williams, CAR

RB -- Chester Taylor, CHI

RB -- LenDale White, SEA

WR -- Chad Ochocinco, CIN

WR -- Mike Wallace, PIT

TE -- Kellen Winslow, TB

So far, so good. Even though I had Rodgers as a top QB, I saw that a QB run was coming and wanted to grab a high upside backup. I'm in the same camp as Bloom in thinking Freeman has as much, if not more upside than the other 2nd year QBs. Never been a huge LenDale fan but he's reunited with his college coach and no one is convincing me that doesn't give him a long leash and the lion's share of short yardage touches. I expect Taylor to handily outperform Forte in the Martz system and DeAngelo is a stud. My WRs are shaping up to be a struggle seeing as how I only have two and Mike Wallace is no guarantee, even though I personally expect him to have a solid season.

 

[BassNBrew]

QB Peyton ManningRB1 Ronnie Brown and Ricky WilliamsRB2 TBDWR1 Steve Smith (NYG)WR2 Mike Sims-WalkerWR3 Robert MeachemTE Antonio GatesI'm not 100% sold on the Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams handcuff. It may backfire badly, or they may have yet another year where they're a quality tandem and both end up starting some weeks. But I have such strong QB/TE and I like my WRs a good bit, so when I considered taking a bunch of backs, or effectively locking up one, it seemed like my best option was to get the RB1BC and worry about the RB2BC later. I'm definitely giving up points at RB2 every week, and probably giving up some points at WR to the better teams, but my RB1 position is on much stronger footing now.

I think Brown/Williams is an excellent strategy and one that should have been used more often in these drafts. You definately got a cheap RB1 and likely a serviceable RB2. I considered adding Williams to go with Brown in SSSL3 but already had SJax and Matthews in the fourth in place before Brown.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm sure glad I went with two QB's at the 6/7 turn.

. It probably helped the QB2 run to start.

That was not the primary reason I went back to back QB's but I thought if I did it had a decent chance to set off a run. Not sure the run happens if not for Stinking however. When he took Casell making three QB's in a row and followed that up with his comments I think that really setup the run.

I think what happens is that the QBs fell into their natural value slots in SSL1. Each of the leagues after are using the prior draft as ADP and the fear of being stuck with only one QB bumps up the QB2s in in each draft that follows.

 

[menobrown]

LT was a steal BTW. Cant believe how far he fell in a couple of drafts. I think he would have make an excellent #3 RB and will give #2 numbers

I debated between LT, Tate and Fred Jackson and LT is one that I left out. While I do think he has a good chance for a rebound year considering he should have the third down role and Green has not proven his durability he's not what I consider a steal here. Good value sure but not a steal. Tate and Jackson taken right before LT both should be part of RBBC but unlike LT they have a chance to be the primary ball carrier or don't need an injury to someone to be the primary ball carrier. Big key in these early drafts is trying to predict off season moves and expected roles. Despite reports to the contrary I do not think the Bills go into the season with Marshawn Lynch on the roster and I think Tate will be the primary ball carrier in a very RB friendly offense. In fact as rookie RB's go I'm not sure I don't have Tate second after Matthews and ahead of Spiller.

 

[Crippler]

LT was a steal BTW. Cant believe how far he fell in a couple of drafts. I think he would have make an excellent #3 RB and will give #2 numbers

I debated between LT, Tate and Fred Jackson and LT is one that I left out. While I do think he has a good chance for a rebound year considering he should have the third down role and Green has not proven his durability he's not what I consider a steal here. Good value sure but not a steal. Tate and Jackson taken right before LT both should be part of RBBC but unlike LT they have a chance to be the primary ball carrier or don't need an injury to someone to be the primary ball carrier. Big key in these early drafts is trying to predict off season moves and expected roles. Despite reports to the contrary I do not think the Bills go into the season with Marshawn Lynch on the roster and I think Tate will be the primary ball carrier in a very RB friendly offense. In fact as rookie RB's go I'm not sure I don't have Tate second after Matthews and ahead of Spiller.

I kind of disagree with this and the amount the Jets run is unlike Buffalo for fun. I think the Jets might have quite a few more yards and LT thus makes a better prospect than Jackson. Tate I can see but you missed the boat by taking Fred Jackson with both Spiller and Lynch in the backfield on a really crappy team. Even though I take LT over Tate in the end still because of overall talent and situation again. I dont think LT needs an injury to get 700 and 300 receiving and 10 TD's as a floor.

 

[menobrown]

LT was a steal BTW. Cant believe how far he fell in a couple of drafts. I think he would have make an excellent #3 RB and will give #2 numbers

I debated between LT, Tate and Fred Jackson and LT is one that I left out. While I do think he has a good chance for a rebound year considering he should have the third down role and Green has not proven his durability he's not what I consider a steal here. Good value sure but not a steal. Tate and Jackson taken right before LT both should be part of RBBC but unlike LT they have a chance to be the primary ball carrier or don't need an injury to someone to be the primary ball carrier. Big key in these early drafts is trying to predict off season moves and expected roles. Despite reports to the contrary I do not think the Bills go into the season with Marshawn Lynch on the roster and I think Tate will be the primary ball carrier in a very RB friendly offense. In fact as rookie RB's go I'm not sure I don't have Tate second after Matthews and ahead of Spiller.

I kind of disagree with this and the amount the Jets run is unlike Buffalo for fun. I think the Jets might have quite a few more yards and LT thus makes a better prospect than Jackson. Tate I can see but you missed the boat by taking Fred Jackson with both Spiller and Lynch in the backfield on a really crappy team. Even though I take LT over Tate in the end still because of overall talent and situation again. I dont think LT needs an injury to get 700 and 300 receiving and 10 TD's as a floor.

As I said earlier I don't think Lynch is on the Bills roster when the season starts. Really makes no difference that the Bills are a crappy team. They were crappy last year and Jackson was gold when he got the chance and Gailey has good history of leaning heavily on his RB's. With LT I think you are assuming he's not done and that in my opinion is a big assumption when he's been on a severe decline two years in a row. How many RB's reverse the trend at his age and with his workload? The only thing that made LT a viable fantasy player last year was the TD's and half of those came from 1 yard out often after a pass interference call. I don't see him getting that many short yardage shots with the Jets and might not even be the primary goal line back. I think the numbers you have listed as his floor are closer to his ceiling. He barely cracked 700 yards last year on 223 carries and barring an injury to Green he won't sniff that number of carries this year. The 10 TD's seem really high as a floor considering he might not get the goal line job and probably won't get to score 6 one yard TD's again. The 300 yards receiving is probably the most likely here since it's does not appear to have a lot of competition for the third down back role but most veteran RB's who see declines in receptions rarely reverse the trend and he's going to need to get probably get to around 40 catches to hit that total and that seems high. At this stage of his career a healthy Leon Washington is a far superior receiver out of the backfield than LT and he was on pace for 37 catches before he got hurt and the Jets have only increased weapons since than. When Leon got hurt Thomas Jones and Green combined for 6 catches the rest of the season so forecasting LT for 40 catches seems high.Anyway just my highly opinionated opinion.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

I didn't even bother to check where Walter has been drafted in other leagues. I really like him as my WR4 and I'm again grateful that a player I was targeting made it back to me.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Two Texans I was targeting here both sniped (Ben Tate, Kevin Walter).

Walter was painful due to his being just one pick away, but stepping back and regrouping, Santonio Holmes is a pretty good WR4 as a second choice.

Ben Tate in the 8/9 turn is tremendous value, IMHO. I think he's going to be the featured back for Houston in a high-powered offense. If he ADP remains >40 then he's going to be on many of my teams this year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

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Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan (8), David Garrard (9)

RB: Ryan Grant (10) , Clinton Portis (9)

WR: Larry Fitzgerald (6), DeSean Jackson (8) , Santana Moss (9) , Santonio Holmes (7)

TE: Owen Daniels (7)

PK:

DEF:

I have my starters in place now and I like the general feel of this team. Two solid QBs despite the rumors on Garrard being threatened as a starter, three strong WRs and two capable RBs. Grant's a clear feature RB and I think Portis can push for 1,000 yards with Shanahan again. Owen Daniels is a great TE1.

Overall I like this club and now can worry about depth.

Solid WR4 added and byes look good too.

 

[Crippler]

Two Texans I was targeting here both sniped (Ben Tate, Kevin Walter). Walter was painful due to his being just one pick away, but stepping back and regrouping, Santonio Holmes is a pretty good WR4 as a second choice.Ben Tate in the 8/9 turn is tremendous value, IMHO. I think he's going to be the featured back for Houston in a high-powered offense. If he ADP remains >40 then he's going to be on many of my teams this year.

My entire draft looks kind of different if I dont take Rivers in the 2nd and Finley instead. Top of 5th would have been Cutler with Big Ben. I like Tate at the 2nd of the 8th as RB2. So Culter, Ben, McCoy, Tate, JOhnson, Boldin, Breaston, Avery, Finley instead. But still happy with the Rivers, Ben, McCoy, Forte, Johnson, Boldin, Breaston, Avery, Keller combo also.

 

[Pickle Rody]

9.12 Laurence Maroney, RB, Pats

Nice.....gave him a good hard look at my last pick but was hoping he might slide to my next. Will give you some pretty good weeks IMO.

 

[Pickle Rody]

9.15 Jason Wood -- Michael Bush, RB, Oakland Raiders

Love this pick.....might have gone with him in this round except the bye conflict with Mathews didn't help my team. I feel Bush will outperform McFadden in 2010.