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pizzatyme
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more JP. I have the 1.13 in the NFFC Main Event this Saturday. Any suggestions you'd like to share with the board on that spot? PM if you'd rather not derail this thread.TIAI'll say this - I anticipated having an issue at WR2 with my third pick (which is why Dodds said the #4 spot suxx0r).At pick 39, I had the following gone:Fixed?
Peyton
Gates
Carson
18-20RBs
15+ WRs
That would have put me at WR16 at best, possibly WR19 or 20. That'd be a major concern.
RB2 in the 4th is viable (Deuce, FTaylor and others) but WR2 outside of the Top 20 is a disadvantage.
I don't think this draft was quite what you'd see in a very tough NFFC draft. Pick 4 will be a tough spot.
BnB,
one other thing which you've passed up commenting on.
9 of the Top 50 players in this scoring last year were RBs, just 8 still play. The different one is Tiki. Only MJD was left when I picked.
40?(I don't know, you count) of the top 50 players from 06 were available and they weren't RBs, yet you can't come to these boards and not know that alot of RBs are about to get drafted because that's how guys do it around here. RB, RB is rrrrrrrreal common. So you want to talk about "value" yet ignore that not one of the RB picks that followed mine, a few before were actually of any value either. What value is there in taking a 50+ player at 20? 22? 23? etc?
Click that Top Performers link, please.
So amidst an everything thrown out of whack scenario I chose the guy I like.
Your value is based upon your projections. In 2 other leagues I play in, I'm quickly glancing and seeing a large number of RBs all over the top 50. Those are common style scoring leagues. Your projections are expecting those type leagues just like everyone else does.
This wasn't one of those.
one other thing which you've passed up commenting on.
9 of the Top 50 players in this scoring last year were RBs, just 8 still play. The different one is Tiki. Only MJD was left when I picked.
40?(I don't know, you count) of the top 50 players from 06 were available and they weren't RBs, yet you can't come to these boards and not know that alot of RBs are about to get drafted because that's how guys do it around here. RB, RB is rrrrrrrreal common. So you want to talk about "value" yet ignore that not one of the RB picks that followed mine, a few before were actually of any value either. What value is there in taking a 50+ player at 20? 22? 23? etc?
Click that Top Performers link, please.
So amidst an everything thrown out of whack scenario I chose the guy I like.
Your value is based upon your projections. In 2 other leagues I play in, I'm quickly glancing and seeing a large number of RBs all over the top 50. Those are common style scoring leagues. Your projections are expecting those type leagues just like everyone else does.
This wasn't one of those.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
Interesting that you say the MB helped you out. There were 20 MB picks and 18 Staff picks before your 3rd. 7 of the 18 staff were WR (43.75%) and 8 of the 20 MB were WR (40%). Not really a huge difference there.Now, if you want to discuss some of the MB taking a QB way too early, then I'll listen.Jeff Pasquino said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Working on the The Intimidator angle. 
I love MOPs arrogance in all his posts, it's so entertaining. I can't wait for the Hyper Active league to get going. It should be great fun.
The guy drafts the NFL leader in receptions in a PPR league and you don't like his WRs at all. That's some sound logic right there...lol
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Morris went sooner than expected and there were 22 picks between my picks ont he long side. There were not many decent RB options to clean up after, so I would have to take a guy potentially 20+ picks ahead of where he should get taken just to fill a void when at a certain point there were only pure backups left.I think some people that are critiquing things need to better understand how best ball works before saying teams are weak at one spot or another (although I'm not pointing to MOP on this one). The whole point is to take the best scorers at each position each week.With that in mind, a WR that scores exactly 10 points each week IS WORTH LESS than a guy that scores 20 points then 0 points and alternates each week. In this particular example, the first WR may not score at all the entire season while the second guy is pretty much a lock to count in 8 weeks.So someone like Favre will be worth a fair amount when he drops 30+ points in 6 games (but very little in others). As BassNBrew pointed out, guys that will rack up zeroes most of the season will actually HURT your team. While there is much debate on handcuffing, many people feel it is better to grab other players that will see the field regularly than trying to handcuff an otherwise mediocre scoring situation.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Hmmm somehow I looked again and missed it, OK
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Sure thing.At 1.13 you're looking at best RB available. My goal here is to take Best RB and avoid byes of RBs I'd target in Rounds 4 and 5.I couldn't agree more JP. I have the 1.13 in the NFFC Main Event this Saturday. Any suggestions you'd like to share with the board on that spot? PM if you'd rather not derail this thread.TIAI'll say this - I anticipated having an issue at WR2 with my third pick (which is why Dodds said the #4 spot suxx0r).At pick 39, I had the following gone:Fixed?
Peyton
Gates
Carson
18-20RBs
15+ WRs
That would have put me at WR16 at best, possibly WR19 or 20. That'd be a major concern.
RB2 in the 4th is viable (Deuce, FTaylor and others) but WR2 outside of the Top 20 is a disadvantage.
I don't think this draft was quite what you'd see in a very tough NFFC draft. Pick 4 will be a tough spot.
You have:
1.13 RB1
2.02 WR1
3.02 WR2
4.13 RB2
5.02 RB3
That's how I would start. I think you're looking at Maroney or McGahee (probably McGahee). If you really wanted to go RB/RB I'd take someone else in hopes McGahee clears the corner, but I doubt that.
WR1 you have a Top 5 WR likely here.
WR2 is your choice. With 29 players off the board, I say you get a Top 10 here.
RB2 - FTaylor or Deuce for me here. ADP, Jacobs or others could slip, but ADP is a sexy rook so that's doubtful.
What will happen is that there will be a WR run in Rounds 2 and 3 and RBs will fall. 4.13 is a long time, but you can get quality there.
5.02 comes around quickly and then it is your choice what to do. Top 5-7 QB, WR3, or RB3 are options. Even TE, but I think you can wait on WR3 and TE a little. I'd go RB3 if there was one I liked or a Top flight QB if it made sense.
I think you need to study the ADPs and look at Rounds 4-10 to decide what to do at picks 1-5. What you think will be available later in the draft will actually dictate earlier decisions. This is why mock drafting is so powerful.
Bear in mind that this draft last night was probably my 20th draft this year (maybe more).
David Yudkin
Footballguy
To follow up on the best ball element of this league, someone mentioned that a trio of Big Ben, Favre, and Green was essentially medicore.
Last year, even with Green missing a huge chunk of the season, my QB total using best ball would have been 365 points. Peyton Manning scored 385 points.
While those three could end up being mediocre, the point was that using "regular" rankings and projections could lead to very misleading conclusions.
Last year, even with Green missing a huge chunk of the season, my QB total using best ball would have been 365 points. Peyton Manning scored 385 points.
While those three could end up being mediocre, the point was that using "regular" rankings and projections could lead to very misleading conclusions.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Fair point here.My mocks told me that WRs should have gone earlier as a whole from a value standpoint.
Like I said, I expected at most 20 RBs and 2 QBs (Carson, Peyton) and Gates.
I was dead on for all 3 before my Plax pick.
Plax was WR16 so I guess I was fortunate enough.
If any deviations had happened though, I was SOL if 2-3 more had gone with plans to take WR2 at that pick.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
My requested KDS order:
1,2,7,10,14,13,3,4,12,5,6,8,9,11
Early, then towards the back end, than back to beginning, then middle
I like the 10-14 picks b/c of the 3RR rule, which gives you an earlier 3rd rounder, where I expected there to still be good value on the board...
Ended up with the 12th highest dice roll, but still got my 4th higest requested position, so apparently I valued #10 way more than other people...
That's fine...I went in hoping to get a good RB in the 1st, and then likely to go WR/WR in the early 2nd and early 3rd to maximize the PPR scoring for WRs...That said, I never enter ANY draft with an absolute "I'm drafting a ________ in round # ____" mentality, so I was open to other permutations in the first 3 rounds...
My overall strategy:
Get a solid base of Rbs and WRs (as you do have to start 6 of them each week) in the first quarter of the draft...
With only 1 QB per team, even with 14 teams, I wanted to wait at QB and pick 2 guys I am high on in the round 8-12 range...
Wanted to avoid overpaying for TE/K/DEF, but still planned to get two viable starters of each...
Also wanted to avoid overpaying for handcuffs...Unless I felt a backup to one of my first couple of picks could reasonably give me a high % of the starter's performance (and there aren't many out there I would put in this category), I was open to the idea, but had no intention of overpaying just to lock up a handcuff
Draft with an eye towards bye weeks, but not get too caught up in it (i.e. take someone who was ranked lower just because of bye)...With 24 players per roster, missing 3 or 4 players in a given week (even your higher picks) isn't necessarily a death sentence that week, IMO, as there are just a ton of players on each roster...
In the 10-24 rounds I wanted to try and target the following at the skill positions:
-RBs: backs who catch passes and/or play behind either less established or injury prone RBs
-WRs: a couple of decent and solid veterans and a bunch of young WRs with upside who could have a couple of good games in this format (all it takes is one deep ball for a TD and that WR might be vaulted into your starting lineup in any given week)
My Draft
1.10: Shaun Alexander RBs went off the board with the 1st 9 picks, but I was happy to get Alexander here...I know he doesn't catch too many passes, and his foot is somewhat of a concern, but without these caveats he's off the board in the top-5, so I will take the risk for a RB who had finished no lower than RB6 in the previous 5 years...I briefly considered MJD here, as he was the RB I had ranked slightly behind Alexander (especially with .5 PPR), but I just can't peg his value this season, and that is one crowded Jacksonville backfield
2.05: Reggie Wayne Unless someone that I perceived to be tremendous RB value presented himself here, I hoped to get one of my top 5 WRs, and Wayne was in that group (along with C JOhnson, S Smith, M Harrison and T Owens)...I would have been happy with any of them, but I do like Wayne to continue to thrive in Indy, whether he supplants Harrison as the ***official*** Indy WR1 or not
3.05: Lee Evans I had projected this to be a WR pick for me, as I felt that most value was there (figured I'd be picking form my 2nd tier of Boldin, Evans, A Johnson, etc)...That said, there would be 18 picks until I picked again, so I defintiely looked at RB here...Portis went right before this 3rd round pick, which made my life easier...On talent alone he is a 3rd round steal, but there are a TON of question marks with him, IMO...I decided that the WR talent was just superior to the RB talent, so I went with Evans, who I really like this season, and hoped to have a RB fall to me at 4.10
6.10: Darrell Jackson Considered him with my last pick, so happy to get him here...He's another guy I like in this format...Defintely gets banged up and wouldn't shock me at all if he misses a couple of games, but in that improving offense, as the WR1, I like him to have some big performances...He was WR13 last season despite missing 3 games, and I'll gladly take him 80 picks in
8.10 Jay Cutler So I finally decide to go QB here, after Hasselbeck, Rivers and Leinert go between my last pick and this one...Cutler and Eli are the two QBs left in their tier, so I go with the one I have ranked higher...It's not always rocket science, I just think Cutler will have a real solid season
9.05 Eddie Kennison I was hoping Jerry Porter would fall to me here, but alas, he was scooped up in the late 8th round...Kennison is another solid but unspectacular pick...Should get some catches and yards consistently every week with the occasional score...
12.10 Adrian Peterson (Chi) So by the time my 12th rolled around, 7 QBs had gone since my previous pick...I felt like the starters remaining (T Green, Huard, etc) were not going to get much burn ahead of Cutler or Schaub, so I went with another RB, as I felt that was where the value was...Again, in retrospect, maybe a 3rd QB would have been better than a 6th RB, but I like Peterson this year...Will get touches, behind a back who has shown a propoensity to get injured, yadda, yadda, yadda... Also worth noting, I was defintiely looking at Maurice Morris as Alexander insurance, but he went right before my 12th rounder...I would have probably taken him here, was a little surprised he went this soon, as I felt he would be of little value to anyone besides me (the Alexander owner)...He has really not impressed me with the opportunitie she has had when Alexander has been hurt
15.05 Josh ReedAnother WR depth pick, but I have been impressed with Reed in the preseason and with the "buzz" around him in camp, and I am not really a P Price fan...Liked Reed a lot coming out of college, have been disappointed in his career so far (duh), maybe he and Losman put it together for a couple of games...At this point I am shooting darts at the slim WR pickings and hoping someone surprises me
18.10 Chris Henry (RB) 4-5 kickers are off the board at this point, but I don't see any K value in picking one here...I want to get two starters with some job security, but I also don't want to reach for them...Henry has fallen like a stone over the past couple of weeks, but we're almost 250 picks in, so I think he's worth a pick here...The Tenn running game is full of question marks, and Henry appears to be clearly 3rd in the pecking order, but I do see some points in his favor...He was a 2nd round pick, he has LenDale WHite and Chris Brown (not exactly two runners known for their toughness and health) in fornt of him, and I can't help but think about a Titans RB named Henry who seemed to be behind those two last season and ended up running for 1200+...Likely? No...But again, we're 250 picks in, so worth the shot, IMO...
21.05 Jeff Reed 6 kickers go between my Troupe pick and this pick, so I take the higest ranked kicker I have left...Reed is solid and was a top 10 kicker the two years prior to last year, so I am hoping he can regain that form as I expect the Steelers offense to be improved this year
24.10 Robert Meachem Close out the draft with another rookie WR, and another fast faller over the last month...That said, NO is going to throw for a TON of yards, and Colston and Henderson have already been dinged up...Again, risk/reward at pick 332 and need for WR depth wins the day
Final team:
Jay Cutler
Matt Schaub
Shaun Alexander
Thomas Jones
Jerious Norwood
Chester Taylor
Michael Pittman
Adrian Peterson (Chi)
Chris Henry (Tenn)
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Darrell Jackson
Eddie Kennison
Cedrick Wilson
Josh Reed
Mark Bradley
Sidney Rice
Robert Meachem
Randy McMichael
Ben Troupe
Josh Reed
Phil Dawson
Carolina Defense
Washington Defense
I am happy with my draft overall...Seems to me that
Cutler
Alexander
T Jones
Wayne
Evans
D Jackson
C Taylor
McMichael
Reed
Panthers D
WOuld be a pretty solid squad for one of my regular 12 teamers, so this being a 14 team league, I am very happy...I do lack some WR depth, but I love my RB depth...
We shall see, of couse, but I think I can compete
1,2,7,10,14,13,3,4,12,5,6,8,9,11
Early, then towards the back end, than back to beginning, then middle
I like the 10-14 picks b/c of the 3RR rule, which gives you an earlier 3rd rounder, where I expected there to still be good value on the board...
Ended up with the 12th highest dice roll, but still got my 4th higest requested position, so apparently I valued #10 way more than other people...
That's fine...I went in hoping to get a good RB in the 1st, and then likely to go WR/WR in the early 2nd and early 3rd to maximize the PPR scoring for WRs...That said, I never enter ANY draft with an absolute "I'm drafting a ________ in round # ____" mentality, so I was open to other permutations in the first 3 rounds...
My overall strategy:
Get a solid base of Rbs and WRs (as you do have to start 6 of them each week) in the first quarter of the draft...
With only 1 QB per team, even with 14 teams, I wanted to wait at QB and pick 2 guys I am high on in the round 8-12 range...
Wanted to avoid overpaying for TE/K/DEF, but still planned to get two viable starters of each...
Also wanted to avoid overpaying for handcuffs...Unless I felt a backup to one of my first couple of picks could reasonably give me a high % of the starter's performance (and there aren't many out there I would put in this category), I was open to the idea, but had no intention of overpaying just to lock up a handcuff
Draft with an eye towards bye weeks, but not get too caught up in it (i.e. take someone who was ranked lower just because of bye)...With 24 players per roster, missing 3 or 4 players in a given week (even your higher picks) isn't necessarily a death sentence that week, IMO, as there are just a ton of players on each roster...
In the 10-24 rounds I wanted to try and target the following at the skill positions:
-RBs: backs who catch passes and/or play behind either less established or injury prone RBs
-WRs: a couple of decent and solid veterans and a bunch of young WRs with upside who could have a couple of good games in this format (all it takes is one deep ball for a TD and that WR might be vaulted into your starting lineup in any given week)
My Draft
1.10: Shaun Alexander RBs went off the board with the 1st 9 picks, but I was happy to get Alexander here...I know he doesn't catch too many passes, and his foot is somewhat of a concern, but without these caveats he's off the board in the top-5, so I will take the risk for a RB who had finished no lower than RB6 in the previous 5 years...I briefly considered MJD here, as he was the RB I had ranked slightly behind Alexander (especially with .5 PPR), but I just can't peg his value this season, and that is one crowded Jacksonville backfield
2.05: Reggie Wayne Unless someone that I perceived to be tremendous RB value presented himself here, I hoped to get one of my top 5 WRs, and Wayne was in that group (along with C JOhnson, S Smith, M Harrison and T Owens)...I would have been happy with any of them, but I do like Wayne to continue to thrive in Indy, whether he supplants Harrison as the ***official*** Indy WR1 or not
3.05: Lee Evans I had projected this to be a WR pick for me, as I felt that most value was there (figured I'd be picking form my 2nd tier of Boldin, Evans, A Johnson, etc)...That said, there would be 18 picks until I picked again, so I defintiely looked at RB here...Portis went right before this 3rd round pick, which made my life easier...On talent alone he is a 3rd round steal, but there are a TON of question marks with him, IMO...I decided that the WR talent was just superior to the RB talent, so I went with Evans, who I really like this season, and hoped to have a RB fall to me at 4.10
4.10 Thomas Jones OK, well scratch the QB idea, as the killer B's Brees, Bulger and Brady come off the board prior to this pick...but that allows Jones to fall, which I am thrilled about...The Jets ran for over 1700 yards lats season with not much at RB, I think Jones will really have a solid year (and will chip in in the pass catching department as well) and outperform this draft slot5.05: Jerious Norwood With 2 RBs and 2 WRs to this point, this was a tough pick...I debated picking a 3rd WR from the Holmes/R Brown/V Jackson group, but ultimately decided that I'd rather have a RB here since I am a big Norwood fan...I think he's a guy who excels in this format, as I really doubt Dunn lasts the season as it is, and regardless Norwood is a big play threat who is reportedly going to be uber involved in the passing game...I expect several big games from him and an overall very solid season
6.10: Darrell Jackson Considered him with my last pick, so happy to get him here...He's another guy I like in this format...Defintely gets banged up and wouldn't shock me at all if he misses a couple of games, but in that improving offense, as the WR1, I like him to have some big performances...He was WR13 last season despite missing 3 games, and I'll gladly take him 80 picks in
7.05 Chester Taylor Leon Washington was on my radar for this pick (especially having T Jones), but he went a couple of picks before mine, so I chose Taylor...I think Taylor is solid here, as at worst he is going to get touches (and catches), and at best he is a 1200+ yard rusher palying behind a rookie who isn't exactly known for his durability...Certainly not an exciting pick, but a solid one IMO...
8.10 Jay Cutler So I finally decide to go QB here, after Hasselbeck, Rivers and Leinert go between my last pick and this one...Cutler and Eli are the two QBs left in their tier, so I go with the one I have ranked higher...It's not always rocket science, I just think Cutler will have a real solid season
9.05 Eddie Kennison I was hoping Jerry Porter would fall to me here, but alas, he was scooped up in the late 8th round...Kennison is another solid but unspectacular pick...Should get some catches and yards consistently every week with the occasional score...
10.10 Matt Schaub Another QB I may be higher on than others...The next two rounds were VERY QB heavy, IMO...Let's just say I was REAL glad that I picked a QB here...That said, I will take Cutler and Schaub's value considering the8th and the 1oth rounds aren't really a high price to pay...May have a down week here or there, but I should be OK at QB11.05 Michael Pittman In retrospect I would have gone QN here, as I had originally planned to do, but I misread the 18 picks between this pick and y next one and thought I'd be able to get a low level starting QB with my 12th rounder...I don't regret Pittman all that much though...He fits the profile for my reserve RBs to a tee...Excellent receiver, should get 3rd down otouches, might get some goal line love, and plays behind a RB who has consistently missed time due to injury
12.10 Adrian Peterson (Chi) So by the time my 12th rolled around, 7 QBs had gone since my previous pick...I felt like the starters remaining (T Green, Huard, etc) were not going to get much burn ahead of Cutler or Schaub, so I went with another RB, as I felt that was where the value was...Again, in retrospect, maybe a 3rd QB would have been better than a 6th RB, but I like Peterson this year...Will get touches, behind a back who has shown a propoensity to get injured, yadda, yadda, yadda... Also worth noting, I was defintiely looking at Maurice Morris as Alexander insurance, but he went right before my 12th rounder...I would have probably taken him here, was a little surprised he went this soon, as I felt he would be of little value to anyone besides me (the Alexander owner)...He has really not impressed me with the opportunitie she has had when Alexander has been hurt
13.05 Randy McMichael Happy to get him here...He;s the 15 TE off the board, but I like his talent and his situation...Clearly the best TE left on my board, IMO, so I tried not to overthink it and just selected him14.10 Cedrick Wilson Meh to the max here...Steelers seem to be throwing deep more, maybe he gets under a couple...Not my finest drafting hour...Felt the WR squeeze and picked...Although I will say that there wasn't a whole helluva lot left at WR at this point
15.05 Josh ReedAnother WR depth pick, but I have been impressed with Reed in the preseason and with the "buzz" around him in camp, and I am not really a P Price fan...Liked Reed a lot coming out of college, have been disappointed in his career so far (duh), maybe he and Losman put it together for a couple of games...At this point I am shooting darts at the slim WR pickings and hoping someone surprises me
16.10 Carolina Defense 4 more defenses go in the 16th before my pick, so I pick the 10th D off the board in Carolina...They'll be fine and I want to protect against a D run here over the next 8 picks leaving me with scraps (FYI, another 3 did go before I picked again)17.05 Mark Bradley A smattering of defenses, tight ends, wide receivers, etc have been going as teams try to fill in depth...I still feel my WR squad needs some more depth and help, so I choose Bradley, a still young receiver who has shown flashes but has trouble staying healthy...I see some upside here, as Grossman does love to throw deep
18.10 Chris Henry (RB) 4-5 kickers are off the board at this point, but I don't see any K value in picking one here...I want to get two starters with some job security, but I also don't want to reach for them...Henry has fallen like a stone over the past couple of weeks, but we're almost 250 picks in, so I think he's worth a pick here...The Tenn running game is full of question marks, and Henry appears to be clearly 3rd in the pecking order, but I do see some points in his favor...He was a 2nd round pick, he has LenDale WHite and Chris Brown (not exactly two runners known for their toughness and health) in fornt of him, and I can't help but think about a Titans RB named Henry who seemed to be behind those two last season and ended up running for 1200+...Likely? No...But again, we're 250 picks in, so worth the shot, IMO...
19.05 Redskins Defense With 18 picks until I go again, I don't want to risk not getting a 2nd defense, so I take my highest ranked remaining defense...They have some playmakers, so I could see some decent weeks here20.10 Ben Troupe Not much left on the TE front, but I do want to get a 2nd one, so I pick Troupe...I know Scaife is the Titans flavor of the moth at TE, but this is a team that always likes to throw to their TEs, and not too long ago Troupe was considered a rising star at the position...Hope he can stay healthy
21.05 Jeff Reed 6 kickers go between my Troupe pick and this pick, so I take the higest ranked kicker I have left...Reed is solid and was a top 10 kicker the two years prior to last year, so I am hoping he can regain that form as I expect the Steelers offense to be improved this year
22.10 Phil Dawson Fulfills my criteria of being stable, job-wise, and not awful...Not going to worry about my 2nd kicker, Dawson is fine here23.05 Sidney Rice That Minnesota WR corps is unsettled, and this guy had a great college career...Worth a flier here...Not sold on T Jackson at QB, but Rice is all upside all the time at pick 313
24.10 Robert Meachem Close out the draft with another rookie WR, and another fast faller over the last month...That said, NO is going to throw for a TON of yards, and Colston and Henderson have already been dinged up...Again, risk/reward at pick 332 and need for WR depth wins the day
Final team:
Jay Cutler
Matt Schaub
Shaun Alexander
Thomas Jones
Jerious Norwood
Chester Taylor
Michael Pittman
Adrian Peterson (Chi)
Chris Henry (Tenn)
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Darrell Jackson
Eddie Kennison
Cedrick Wilson
Josh Reed
Mark Bradley
Sidney Rice
Robert Meachem
Randy McMichael
Ben Troupe
Josh Reed
Phil Dawson
Carolina Defense
Washington Defense
I am happy with my draft overall...Seems to me that
Cutler
Alexander
T Jones
Wayne
Evans
D Jackson
C Taylor
McMichael
Reed
Panthers D
WOuld be a pretty solid squad for one of my regular 12 teamers, so this being a 14 team league, I am very happy...I do lack some WR depth, but I love my RB depth...
We shall see, of couse, but I think I can compete
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Solid posting and nice job TU. I think you and BusMan were the two best MB drafters in a grueling 5 hour marathon.
Compare Jamal Lewis and Willis McGahee. Which is more talented?Not thrilled with those WRs either, but there will be holes in every starting lineup when the league is greater than 12 teams.Andy Dufresne said:
Shockey has missed one game per season over the last three years. Also, he has never finished lower than the #11 fantasy TE. :(
GridironMenace
Footballguy
I picked from the 7th position in this draft, so the 3RR didn't affect me at all.
QB's
Bulger, Marc STL QB - 4.07
Leftwich, Byron JAC QB - 11.08
Frerotte, Gus STL QB - 21.08
I wasn't expecting to draft a QB in round 4 (actually I have never done that before) but in this league I thought, "why not". Bulger was the 5th QB off the board at this point and I had a decision between Bulger and Brady. I have serious man love for Bulger, so decided to go with him. Brady went one pick after me. I really to back up Bulger with Schaub but he was picked a few picks before me. The backup Qb run started and my choices were limited when I took Leftwich. He was certainly the best available, although I am admittedly not a fan. Backed up Bulger with Freotte, because in that offense even Freotte can play well.
RB's
Bush, Reggie NOS RB - 1.07
James, Edgerrin ARI RB - 2.08
Jackson, Brandon GBP RB - 6.07
Bell, Mike DEN RB - 12.07
I was fully prepared to decide between Gore and FWP with the 7th pick but FWP was taken with the 6th pick. I couldn't pass up Bush's 85-90 receptions from a RB and with a larger workload in his 2nd year...look out! In the 2nd I was pondering taking a WR ( would have gone with Housh) but decided to get a RB. James came on strong to close out the year- with an upgraded o-line, a head coach that likes to run the ball and an easy SOS against the run, I see good things for Edge this year.
At 6.07 the last two starting RB's were Jackson and White. I really wanted to take LenDale White. I am much much higher on White than most, as I think he will vastly outperform his value. With that said however, his bye week didn't match up and took Jackson instead. I'm not a Jackson fan, but I think he can put together a few really goos weeks and that is all I will need him for.
Bell was a flyer. I don't like Henry at all. Perhaps it is moreso with Shanny than Henry, but Shanny changes his mind every other game. If Henry has his customary fumble problems, I can see a situation where Bell would get the nod for a few games. If he does, then kudos to me. If he doesn't then, meh.
WR's
Holt, Torry STL WR - 3.08
Jackson, Vincent SDC WR - 5.08
Battle, Arnaz SFO WR - 7.08
Marshall, Brandon DEN WR - 8.07
Horn, Joe ATL WR - 9.08
Jones, James GBP WR - 10.07
Copper, Terrance NOS WR - 14.07
Stovall, Maurice TBB WR - 10 16.07
Washington, Nate PIT WR - 15.08
Baskett, Hank PHI WR - 23.08
Hilliard, Ike TBB WR - 24.07
As you can see, I have 11 WR's. I think this league will come down to how the WR's perform. Since WR's aren't very consistant, I thought the best strategy was to get the best WR's and hope that 4 of them perform well on any given week. Surround them with a solid cast of characters and you'll have a good season. Well, that is what I did.
Holt- 80% of Holt is better than 100% of 95% of the rest. I'm not worried about Holt at all. I think it his situation is being exagerrated and was more than happy to land in in the middle of the 3rd round.
Vicent Jackson- Love 'em. I think he will approach 12 TD's this season. People will being eyeing Gates and LT2 so much and you just can't leave Jackson one-on-one around the red zone. I actually think so highly of Jackson that I believe that Gates will have the worst year of his career.
Battle- I like him more than most and I could have had Bruce instead. The way it worked was that I watned DJ Hackett, but he was taken 1 pick ahead of me. I had a choice of Battle or Bruce and I didn't think either one would have been there in the next round. I already had Holt and Bulger, so I didn't want to put too many eggs in one basket. Even in a best ball, it can work out great some weeks and not to so hot in other weeks. Plus on their bye I would get crushed. When you are risking 13 losses each and every week, I decided to pass on Bruce. I really like Battle though. He has been a victim of a young, raw QB that should come into his own this year, which will allow Battle to explode. DJax is always hurt so Battle may be their #1 option for a few weeks.
Horn- Should be a consistant option for points. ATL, should be throwing the ball a lot this year.
Jones- He'll have a few huge weeks and when he does, I'll get credit for them.
Copper, Baskett and Washington- They are all deep threats with the possibility to have greats weeks thoughout the season. I don't need them for consistancy so whatever they do will be gravy. And Cedric Wilson went before Washington, so I got great value with him, IMO.
Hilliard and Stovall- One of them should be able to step up on a weekly basis.
TE's
Scaife, Bo TEN TE - 13.08
King, Jeff CAR TE - 19.08
Love Scaife. Should catch 65 balls easily. Getting him in the 13th round was HUGE value. VY should looke to him often. King has a high ceiling. He has zero competition in an offense that wants to get the TE involved. He'll have a few good weeks.
PK's
Rackers, Neil ARI PK - 8 18.07
Tynes, Lawrence NYG PK - 9 22.07
Kickers. Meh. But I do like Rackers in 0.1 pt for each yard over 30 league. When Rackers is knocking home those 54 yarders, bonus points baby. Bonus points.
Defense
Colts, Indianapolis IND Def - 6 17.08
Texans, Houston HOU Def - 10 20.07
I waited forever to get a defense. Perhaps too long, but they were going off the board too fast for my taste. But I really like the Indy D. Team will have to play catch up against them, which will give ample opportunity for sacks and INT's. Very happy with Indy and Houston was the 3rd to last Defense taken. With their easy schedule and playmakers on the field, I wouldn't surprised to see see some heavy TD numbers from them this year.
Overall I really think I have a solid, deep team. My QB is a stud. My RB's are solid and my WR's are the deepest in the league (IMO at least). I think I'll be a top 5 team with a shot at the title. Of course I'm biased though.
Good luck to all!
QB's
Bulger, Marc STL QB - 4.07
Leftwich, Byron JAC QB - 11.08
Frerotte, Gus STL QB - 21.08
I wasn't expecting to draft a QB in round 4 (actually I have never done that before) but in this league I thought, "why not". Bulger was the 5th QB off the board at this point and I had a decision between Bulger and Brady. I have serious man love for Bulger, so decided to go with him. Brady went one pick after me. I really to back up Bulger with Schaub but he was picked a few picks before me. The backup Qb run started and my choices were limited when I took Leftwich. He was certainly the best available, although I am admittedly not a fan. Backed up Bulger with Freotte, because in that offense even Freotte can play well.
RB's
Bush, Reggie NOS RB - 1.07
James, Edgerrin ARI RB - 2.08
Jackson, Brandon GBP RB - 6.07
Bell, Mike DEN RB - 12.07
I was fully prepared to decide between Gore and FWP with the 7th pick but FWP was taken with the 6th pick. I couldn't pass up Bush's 85-90 receptions from a RB and with a larger workload in his 2nd year...look out! In the 2nd I was pondering taking a WR ( would have gone with Housh) but decided to get a RB. James came on strong to close out the year- with an upgraded o-line, a head coach that likes to run the ball and an easy SOS against the run, I see good things for Edge this year.
At 6.07 the last two starting RB's were Jackson and White. I really wanted to take LenDale White. I am much much higher on White than most, as I think he will vastly outperform his value. With that said however, his bye week didn't match up and took Jackson instead. I'm not a Jackson fan, but I think he can put together a few really goos weeks and that is all I will need him for.
Bell was a flyer. I don't like Henry at all. Perhaps it is moreso with Shanny than Henry, but Shanny changes his mind every other game. If Henry has his customary fumble problems, I can see a situation where Bell would get the nod for a few games. If he does, then kudos to me. If he doesn't then, meh.
WR's
Holt, Torry STL WR - 3.08
Jackson, Vincent SDC WR - 5.08
Battle, Arnaz SFO WR - 7.08
Marshall, Brandon DEN WR - 8.07
Horn, Joe ATL WR - 9.08
Jones, James GBP WR - 10.07
Copper, Terrance NOS WR - 14.07
Stovall, Maurice TBB WR - 10 16.07
Washington, Nate PIT WR - 15.08
Baskett, Hank PHI WR - 23.08
Hilliard, Ike TBB WR - 24.07
As you can see, I have 11 WR's. I think this league will come down to how the WR's perform. Since WR's aren't very consistant, I thought the best strategy was to get the best WR's and hope that 4 of them perform well on any given week. Surround them with a solid cast of characters and you'll have a good season. Well, that is what I did.
Holt- 80% of Holt is better than 100% of 95% of the rest. I'm not worried about Holt at all. I think it his situation is being exagerrated and was more than happy to land in in the middle of the 3rd round.
Vicent Jackson- Love 'em. I think he will approach 12 TD's this season. People will being eyeing Gates and LT2 so much and you just can't leave Jackson one-on-one around the red zone. I actually think so highly of Jackson that I believe that Gates will have the worst year of his career.
Battle- I like him more than most and I could have had Bruce instead. The way it worked was that I watned DJ Hackett, but he was taken 1 pick ahead of me. I had a choice of Battle or Bruce and I didn't think either one would have been there in the next round. I already had Holt and Bulger, so I didn't want to put too many eggs in one basket. Even in a best ball, it can work out great some weeks and not to so hot in other weeks. Plus on their bye I would get crushed. When you are risking 13 losses each and every week, I decided to pass on Bruce. I really like Battle though. He has been a victim of a young, raw QB that should come into his own this year, which will allow Battle to explode. DJax is always hurt so Battle may be their #1 option for a few weeks.
Horn- Should be a consistant option for points. ATL, should be throwing the ball a lot this year.
Jones- He'll have a few huge weeks and when he does, I'll get credit for them.
Copper, Baskett and Washington- They are all deep threats with the possibility to have greats weeks thoughout the season. I don't need them for consistancy so whatever they do will be gravy. And Cedric Wilson went before Washington, so I got great value with him, IMO.
Hilliard and Stovall- One of them should be able to step up on a weekly basis.
TE's
Scaife, Bo TEN TE - 13.08
King, Jeff CAR TE - 19.08
Love Scaife. Should catch 65 balls easily. Getting him in the 13th round was HUGE value. VY should looke to him often. King has a high ceiling. He has zero competition in an offense that wants to get the TE involved. He'll have a few good weeks.
PK's
Rackers, Neil ARI PK - 8 18.07
Tynes, Lawrence NYG PK - 9 22.07
Kickers. Meh. But I do like Rackers in 0.1 pt for each yard over 30 league. When Rackers is knocking home those 54 yarders, bonus points baby. Bonus points.
Defense
Colts, Indianapolis IND Def - 6 17.08
Texans, Houston HOU Def - 10 20.07
I waited forever to get a defense. Perhaps too long, but they were going off the board too fast for my taste. But I really like the Indy D. Team will have to play catch up against them, which will give ample opportunity for sacks and INT's. Very happy with Indy and Houston was the 3rd to last Defense taken. With their easy schedule and playmakers on the field, I wouldn't surprised to see see some heavy TD numbers from them this year.
Overall I really think I have a solid, deep team. My QB is a stud. My RB's are solid and my WR's are the deepest in the league (IMO at least). I think I'll be a top 5 team with a shot at the title. Of course I'm biased though.
Good luck to all!
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I feel like I'm debating a wall. "I don't like them though. That fact completely confuses you huh? I "have to" take the best player in your order huh?"I haven't commented on Jacobs' prospects. I'm commenting on your faulty judgement in chosing a draft position, because you could have had a top five back plus Jacobs in the second or third.One poster commented that you wanted Manning. You had the chance to get into position to draft him and take Jacobs in the second or third.Lastly you throw out a defense as to how RBs are over rated in this format (x of the top 50) to justify taking a RB.The only way your draft makes sense is if the following things happen...1. Jacobs finishes in the top fiveand 2. Palmer's VBD beats the 28 players selected before himand3. Palmer out performers guy like Brady by a landslideand4. Palmer matches Mannings outputMy hat is off to you if that happens
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
He selected Steve Smith. If he wanted Smith and Jacobs, I don't see much wrong with picking at 14. You can't say he should have picked earlier, because then you probably would have ripped on taking Smith at 7 or something.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Or just simply a side bet when we are at full strength. It would be an exhibition that would not count against the records but our pocketbooks instead. I am sure Bri would place a bet for league fees or something.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Just a quick opinion: Nice job to TU. Really represented the MB well. 
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I really haven't been following the squabbling of the MB guys very closely, but I think Bass is saying that he should have either targetted different players fromt he 14 spot or have asked for a different slot to go after the players he was targetting.The issue really is that drafting at the turn in a larger league if the guy you really want will make it back to you. I would have thought that giver the 3RR that there was a decent chance that Jacobs would have lasted to the the top of the 3rd round. If I were trying to get him, I probably would have let him go at the top of the second and hoped that he was still thereat 3.01 and there would still be decent choices if he wasn't.
So Smith is to WRs what LT is to RBs?Even conceding that point, Jacobs would have been there at 3.1.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Jacobs was a huge reach at 2.01 by any standards. He went a good round-round and a half too early. It's fine to like players, but it doesn't mean it isn't a reach.
That is the only point there is. Just my two cents.
That is the only point there is. Just my two cents.
This guy gets it...Bri's defense is that Jacobs is better than the next 28 players off the board.My counter is that if that's really his belief, he should have improved the first round pick.I'm guessing the next defense will be that Smith is better than the 8 or so RBs selected before him.Evening allowing for all those defenses, 5.1 >>> then 5.12 the last time I looked.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
BnB, enough already. Please. No headway is being made.
1) He chose the 14th spot because he THOUGHT that Manning would be there. Instead Manning went at 13. So sue him for not being a psychic.
2) No, Jacobs would not have been there at 3.01. I would have taken Jacobs at 2.08 instead of Edge. Jacobs will have a much better season than the 3.8 yards per average McGahee. Jacobs isn't a terrible pick, if he didn't think he would get back to him. Would I have taken him there? No, I would have taken C.Jo. But he took a shot in taking the 14th pick in hopes of Manning. It didn't work out and he wanted a top 10 RB and he think Jacobs was the only guy that could do that. So what.
You are driving me nuts, BnB. It is a lot easier watching a chess game than actually playing in one. Let the games play themselves out and we'll see what happens at the end of the season. If Jacobs ends up with 1200 yards and 14 TD's, you should have an apology up and ready for him.
1) He chose the 14th spot because he THOUGHT that Manning would be there. Instead Manning went at 13. So sue him for not being a psychic.
2) No, Jacobs would not have been there at 3.01. I would have taken Jacobs at 2.08 instead of Edge. Jacobs will have a much better season than the 3.8 yards per average McGahee. Jacobs isn't a terrible pick, if he didn't think he would get back to him. Would I have taken him there? No, I would have taken C.Jo. But he took a shot in taking the 14th pick in hopes of Manning. It didn't work out and he wanted a top 10 RB and he think Jacobs was the only guy that could do that. So what.
You are driving me nuts, BnB. It is a lot easier watching a chess game than actually playing in one. Let the games play themselves out and we'll see what happens at the end of the season. If Jacobs ends up with 1200 yards and 14 TD's, you should have an apology up and ready for him.
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yes, but how is Brandon Jacobs at chess?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
If he wanted Manning and Smith, 1.14 seems like as good a pick as any. After Manning goes, what does he do if Jacobs is his best back?
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Exactly! He takes him.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Good question.
If I'm driving you nuts then don't read my posts and don't sign up for a draft whose primary goal is to drive messageboard discussion.By the way, if you want Manning, you slide up a spot or two from the turn. Much more likely Smith slides around with differing opinions on SS/TO/CJ/Harrison.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Fair enough, but your tone implies (at least to me) that you are badgering and not discussing. You seem to be making statements like they are fact, but yet how can they by when 1 game of the season hasn't even been played yet. Discuss all you want, but realize that it seems like you are pointing fingers and taking cheap shots.If people want to comment on my team, I'll be glad to respond- otherwise, let the games begin!
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
And I don't see how Manning going right before your pick in the 1st round ruins your whole draft. As a FF vet, you make adjustments and move forward. Jacobs was his adjustment, and it's in the minority opinion of being a good pick at the 1-2 turn.
1.14 is a horrible place to pin yourself. Other drafters can use your previous picks against you. With quick time limits on the picks have less time for analysis.Without seeing his projections I can't answer the question. If he's that high on Jacobs couldn't risk going Manning/Smith in the first place and pass on Jacobs. Manning's ADP is around 11. The only wa to justify the draft position is if you have VBD of Manning=Smith > Jacobs >>>> WR2. At 14 it's possible that both Smith and Manning could have been gone.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
Here are my comments on everyone's team except my own which have already been provided:
Rudnicki-Solid but not spectacular QB play. Iffy at RB after LT but if one of Cadillac Williams or Lamont Jordan step up should be OK. Deep at WR and should usually get 3 very good weekly contributors. TE combination will be good. Solid all around team.
Stuart-Brees should be great. RB could be a concern if the Carolina duo splits time all year which I expect. Don’t care for the WR’s too much. Alright team but nothing stands out here IMO.
Ceo3west-Great WR corps in S. Moss, Walker, Calvin J, Welker. Quite dependent on Romo to succeed. I think he will so he’ll be alright there. Not very deep with RBs as only starters on the squad are LJ and Freddy T. Loaded up on backup RBs so could strike gold but the lack of RB’s is a concern IMO.
Pasquino-Don’t really like the RBs. Westbrook is great but it’s always a possibility he’ll miss some time with an injury and Dunn is already dinged up. If Westy gets hurt, who will score from the RB position? Lots of talent and flexibility at the TE/WR position with Housh, Burress, Furrey, Heap, Miller, Crayton. Should get decent production out of that group. Balt D is a force. This team could be great if Westy stays healthy.
Storm of Destruction-I don’t really like this team all too much. McNabb should be a stud of course. I like Addai and Benson but that’s the only production I see from the RB spot. J. Harrison will be alright but no more than 5-7 ppg. I wouldn’t be happy if Colston, Holmes, and Henderson/Wade were my top 3 WRs in a start 3 league. Good defense and TE but I don’t expect this team to compete.
Jeff T-One of my favorite teams here. Great depth at both RB with Parker, AD, Barber, Betts, Herron and at WR with Driver, Galloway, Bruce, Glenn. Should get spotty but decent production from Delhomme, Harrington, and Jackson. Def and TE nothing to write home about but he got 3 of each so one should produce each week. Good all around team. Definitely one of my top 3.
Gridiron-Like this team. No standouts at WR (unless Holt gets healthy) which could be risky but possibly enough flyers here in Battle, Copper, Horn, J. Jones, V. Jackson, Marshall to get decent production. Great top 3 RB in Bush, James, and Jackson. Would like for this team to have one more RB. Bulger and Leftwich will put up great QB production. I expect this team to compete.
Carlton-Well, I obviously like this team as commented in my analysis of him “stealing” my picks round after round. Brady and Rivers are as good a QB combination as any. Henry, McGahee, and Bell are 3 solid RB’s. AJ, Hackett, Muhammed, Craig Davis, Bennett and others comprise a solid WR corps and Shockey is a top TE. Having 3 PK and 3 Def means he’ll probably score well here on a weekly basis. No real weaknesses on this team.
TU-Solid team. Alexander, T. Jones, Taylor and Norwood are a good RB foundation. A. Peterson, C. Henry, and M. Pittman hold a decent amount of upside if the starter goes down. He took Wayne and Evans right before me and I was set to draft them both. If D. Jackson stays healthy that’s a very, very tough top 3 WR and I like Cedrick Wilson’s potential upside. Nothing too special at TE, PK, or Def but should be around middle of the pack. A contender.
Borbely-Love the QB combination. Both these guys will have monster weeks and so-so weeks. If they stagger their monster weeks somewhat, he should get excellent production from this position. The RB’s are hard to comment on because of Portis. If he’s healthy, they are solid. If he misses time, I don’t see how the rest of the squad is going to make up for it. Love the WR talent with TO, Coles, Clayton, Floyd, Jurevicius. Vernon Davis and Olsen will do just fine for the TE spot. Good Kickers and the defenses are OK. Good team but huge question marks at the RB spot IMO.
Yudkin-Decent team; between Favre and Roth should get good scoring from QB. Great WR depth that will produce on a weekly basis. Gates is Gates and he’s got the best defensive combination in the league. Huge question marks at RB obviously. Very good team but can’t afford any injuries at the RB spot.
Busman-I have to say, I’m not a big fan of this team. Mostly because I don’t expect anything from Mike Anderson, Michael Bennett, Kyle Johnson, or Ron Dayne. That leaves Lynch, A-Train, and Ronnie Brown as the only RBs left. Love Chad Johnson and when combined with Cotchery, Porter, Toomer, Chambers, etc that’s a solid WR group. Obviously Manning is going to produce and Winslow should put up a decent year. Got hosed on not having a 2nd defense.
Bri-Another team I don’t really like much. Palmer will contend for the #1 QB ranking this year. Jacobs, Lewis, Washington presents an adequate top 3 RB situation. Smith and Ward are a great top 2 WR and I like the Northcutt and Wilford pickups. I would expect very good production from his TE, PK, and Def. Not a horrible team but I don’t like the RBs and WRs and I think they’re the 2 most important positions.
Rudnicki-Solid but not spectacular QB play. Iffy at RB after LT but if one of Cadillac Williams or Lamont Jordan step up should be OK. Deep at WR and should usually get 3 very good weekly contributors. TE combination will be good. Solid all around team.
Stuart-Brees should be great. RB could be a concern if the Carolina duo splits time all year which I expect. Don’t care for the WR’s too much. Alright team but nothing stands out here IMO.
Ceo3west-Great WR corps in S. Moss, Walker, Calvin J, Welker. Quite dependent on Romo to succeed. I think he will so he’ll be alright there. Not very deep with RBs as only starters on the squad are LJ and Freddy T. Loaded up on backup RBs so could strike gold but the lack of RB’s is a concern IMO.
Pasquino-Don’t really like the RBs. Westbrook is great but it’s always a possibility he’ll miss some time with an injury and Dunn is already dinged up. If Westy gets hurt, who will score from the RB position? Lots of talent and flexibility at the TE/WR position with Housh, Burress, Furrey, Heap, Miller, Crayton. Should get decent production out of that group. Balt D is a force. This team could be great if Westy stays healthy.
Storm of Destruction-I don’t really like this team all too much. McNabb should be a stud of course. I like Addai and Benson but that’s the only production I see from the RB spot. J. Harrison will be alright but no more than 5-7 ppg. I wouldn’t be happy if Colston, Holmes, and Henderson/Wade were my top 3 WRs in a start 3 league. Good defense and TE but I don’t expect this team to compete.
Jeff T-One of my favorite teams here. Great depth at both RB with Parker, AD, Barber, Betts, Herron and at WR with Driver, Galloway, Bruce, Glenn. Should get spotty but decent production from Delhomme, Harrington, and Jackson. Def and TE nothing to write home about but he got 3 of each so one should produce each week. Good all around team. Definitely one of my top 3.
Gridiron-Like this team. No standouts at WR (unless Holt gets healthy) which could be risky but possibly enough flyers here in Battle, Copper, Horn, J. Jones, V. Jackson, Marshall to get decent production. Great top 3 RB in Bush, James, and Jackson. Would like for this team to have one more RB. Bulger and Leftwich will put up great QB production. I expect this team to compete.
Carlton-Well, I obviously like this team as commented in my analysis of him “stealing” my picks round after round. Brady and Rivers are as good a QB combination as any. Henry, McGahee, and Bell are 3 solid RB’s. AJ, Hackett, Muhammed, Craig Davis, Bennett and others comprise a solid WR corps and Shockey is a top TE. Having 3 PK and 3 Def means he’ll probably score well here on a weekly basis. No real weaknesses on this team.
TU-Solid team. Alexander, T. Jones, Taylor and Norwood are a good RB foundation. A. Peterson, C. Henry, and M. Pittman hold a decent amount of upside if the starter goes down. He took Wayne and Evans right before me and I was set to draft them both. If D. Jackson stays healthy that’s a very, very tough top 3 WR and I like Cedrick Wilson’s potential upside. Nothing too special at TE, PK, or Def but should be around middle of the pack. A contender.
Borbely-Love the QB combination. Both these guys will have monster weeks and so-so weeks. If they stagger their monster weeks somewhat, he should get excellent production from this position. The RB’s are hard to comment on because of Portis. If he’s healthy, they are solid. If he misses time, I don’t see how the rest of the squad is going to make up for it. Love the WR talent with TO, Coles, Clayton, Floyd, Jurevicius. Vernon Davis and Olsen will do just fine for the TE spot. Good Kickers and the defenses are OK. Good team but huge question marks at the RB spot IMO.
Yudkin-Decent team; between Favre and Roth should get good scoring from QB. Great WR depth that will produce on a weekly basis. Gates is Gates and he’s got the best defensive combination in the league. Huge question marks at RB obviously. Very good team but can’t afford any injuries at the RB spot.
Busman-I have to say, I’m not a big fan of this team. Mostly because I don’t expect anything from Mike Anderson, Michael Bennett, Kyle Johnson, or Ron Dayne. That leaves Lynch, A-Train, and Ronnie Brown as the only RBs left. Love Chad Johnson and when combined with Cotchery, Porter, Toomer, Chambers, etc that’s a solid WR group. Obviously Manning is going to produce and Winslow should put up a decent year. Got hosed on not having a 2nd defense.
Bri-Another team I don’t really like much. Palmer will contend for the #1 QB ranking this year. Jacobs, Lewis, Washington presents an adequate top 3 RB situation. Smith and Ward are a great top 2 WR and I like the Northcutt and Wilford pickups. I would expect very good production from his TE, PK, and Def. Not a horrible team but I don’t like the RBs and WRs and I think they’re the 2 most important positions.
I'll rip on your team later if it makes you feel better
This is strategy discussion. I haven't once said Jacobs sucks. I'm actually learning some good things about Jacobs from Bri, but as he pointed out that's also in the spotlight. The conversation here is focused on this concept of selecting your draft position and how to handle the turn in an NFFC format.For people drafting this weekend wanting Manning, it looks like the 14th spot isn't ideal. I'd also submit that Manning has less value in a best ball format so you might even need to adjust even more.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
I hardly think the bolded above is relevant. You aren't always going to get the guy you want but that shouldn't throw off your entire draft.
Thank you, Nasty for the review. One thing that has not been brought out yet is the heavy defense scoring. I bring it up because one of the MB teams that many like, BusMan, got squeezed and only has one defense. That is why most of the staffer tried to get three, and always nice to put the squeeze on. Here is the defense scoring. Notice the points against scoring.
Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 0-10 2 points each
Interceptions Caught 0-10 2 points each
Sacked a QB 0-10 1 point
Safeties 0-10 2 points each
Total Points Allowed 0-0 12
Total Points Allowed 1-7 8
Total Points Allowed 8-12 4
Total Points Allowed 13-17 2
Total Points Allowed 18-99 0
Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 0-10 6 points each
Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 0-10 2 points each
Interceptions Caught 0-10 2 points each
Sacked a QB 0-10 1 point
Safeties 0-10 2 points each
Total Points Allowed 0-0 12
Total Points Allowed 1-7 8
Total Points Allowed 8-12 4
Total Points Allowed 13-17 2
Total Points Allowed 18-99 0
Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 0-10 6 points each
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Did you destroy mine yet?I'll rip on your team later if it makes you feel better
To reiterate something I said earlier-He went 9 spots early, ADP is 2.10
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
It's heavy if you allow 7 or less points. At first I didn't think that was very significant becuase most teams will score more than 7 but I went back and checked last year's results and of 512 possible scores (32*16), 54 of them (10.5%) were 7 or less so that's more significant than my initial inclination.I nearly took my D a lot earlier and now I kinda wish I had!
Sure would but with that goofy rule I'm paid up for next year already
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
It's listed as 34th on this site and 37th on Antsports which equates to 3.06 or 3.09 in a 14-teamer.
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