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Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (1 Viewer)

Smack Tripper said:
so you told me they couldn't promote two films concurrently yet they're now going to have a strategy of having multiple series going at the same time?  
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I can't do this anymore with you man. You're either being intentionally obtuse or something worse. 

 
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KarmaPolice said:
I am guessing the studio would say that 500M is a big difference.  

Maybe we arent the norm, but we usually only see 4-5 movies a year.  It's possible we still see both, but if we are busy during the summer and have to choose between Infinity War and Solo, (or something like that) Marvel gets our $.  100% chance we see both if one was summer and one winter, now there is a 50% chance we see both. 
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You aren't the norm. The target audience is our children they have a lot more free time

 
Smack Tripper said:
I never partook in any of the extended universe stuff, but I've heard people swear by them, going back to 1985, (I think) when I had friends in school reading the books.  There was an entire canon that they ####canned.  But that does exist as some template, I do recall there being a thread to those early books from friends that Luke trained Han and Leia's kid.  
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It was never canon. Never. It's why it was called the EXTENDED UNIVERSE.

 
I do think they’re overdoing it a bit now (can’t wait for the Threepio trilogy!).   Just feels like they’re trying to recreate the success of the marvel universe. Who knows, maybe it’ll work. 

 
Premier said:
I can't do this anymore with you man. You're either being intentionally obtuse or something far worse. 
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I think the more sensible realization is that talk is cheap and Johnson is not part of the furniture. This franchise is the blue chip, it is ( or was) the Tiffany property in Hollywood.  It survived 3 awful Lucas films on the strength of the trilogy and the faith in the creator.  George Lucas banked that equity.   JJ Abrahams is our closest modern day he Spielberg. 

Rian Johnson is a wannabe think piece jabroni who never drew a dime with his Movies and drew the first real criticism in franchise history. 

This is like having the finest race car in the world and you get to the Daytona 500 and you let your uber driver run it. 

That press release isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. There is no way they’re paying what they had to pay to buy these guys out of hbo to be on the b team while ham hands keeps wrecking ####. 

If Johnson is doing such a good job why isn’t he doing episode 9?  Why did they have to go buy a guy out of paramount to come make this movie. 

 
tommyboy said:
You aren't the norm. The target audience is our children they have a lot more free time
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Fair point. I just looked at the release schedule and they don't have much around them for a few weeks in either direction.  Infinity War is May 5th, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic Park 10 are June 15th and 22nd.  Deadpool 2 is the week before, but with the R that wouldn't cut into too much SW.   So maybe it's not a one or the other thing, but maybe people don't see Solo multiple times if there are more choices, unlike being bored during Christmas break?  It will probably be fine, I am just interested seeing how the switch ends up working for them.  

 
Smack Tripper said:
I think the more sensible realization is that talk is cheap and Johnson is not part of the furniture. This franchise is the blue chip, it is ( or was) the Tiffany property in Hollywood.  It survived 3 awful Lucas films on the strength of the trilogy and the faith in the creator.  George Lucas banked that equity.   JJ Abrahams is our closest modern day he Spielberg. 

Rian Johnson is a wannabe think piece jabroni who never drew a dime with his Movies and drew the first real criticism in franchise history. 

This is like having the finest race car in the world and you get to the Daytona 500 and you let your uber driver run it. 

That press release isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. There is no way they’re paying what they had to pay to buy these guys out of hbo to be on the b team while ham hands keeps wrecking ####. 

If Johnson is doing such a good job why isn’t he doing episode 9?  Why did they have to go buy a guy out of paramount to come make this movie. 
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Also didn't Solo go through a couple directors, and somebody else was on tap to do Ep 9 before they went back to JJ?  As to the bolded, it wasn't Johnson that was on deck for 3 - I thought they had 3 different directors for them.  Regardless, tt's not like they have shown the willingness to stick a director for the duration.  I also thought that I read they went with Johnson without even knowing his vision or ideas for his 3 movies, with really seemed odd if true.  

ETA:  I just looked, and Colin Trevorrow (Jurassic World) was originally supposed to do 9.  

 
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KarmaPolice said:
Fair point. I just looked at the release schedule and they don't have much around them for a few weeks in either direction.  Infinity War is May 5th, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic Park 10 are June 15th and 22nd.  Deadpool 2 is the week before, but with the R that wouldn't cut into too much SW.   So maybe it's not a one or the other thing, but maybe people don't see Solo multiple times if there are more choices, unlike being bored during Christmas break?  It will probably be fine, I am just interested seeing how the switch ends up working for them.  
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typically hollywood wants to flood the zone from march through July.     any movies that do well in Aug/sep/oct are a bonus because that's the time frame hollywood dumps what they believe to be clunkers into, then you get into the thanksgiving/christmas period where several big movies will be sent out.    January & Feb are hit and miss usually slower with more artsy flicks coming out or being re-released because of the Oscars.    It used to be May through July was peak season but then the Hunger Games came it in march one year and smashed everything for several weeks so hollywood figured out they could extend the season starting in March

 
KarmaPolice said:
I am guessing the studio would say that 500M is a big difference.  

Maybe we arent the norm, but we usually only see 4-5 movies a year.  It's possible we still see both, but if we are busy during the summer and have to choose between Infinity War and Solo, (or something like that) Marvel gets our $.  100% chance we see both if one was summer and one winter, now there is a 50% chance we see both. 
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4-5 movies a year?  Yeah you aren’t the target audience.

 
Tom Servo said:
It could very well be; I was always under the impression that Lucas winked and nodded at it. :shrug:  
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That is not how it worked. 

There was a formal process where Lucas (ie: his lackey's) had to approve each novel, short story, comic, etc, and then he got a small piece of the revenue generated from said item.  Once it was approved it was considered canon.   

There were non canon items released over the years but they were basically ignored and never considered part of the EU.

Disney did not want to be beholden to the canon (for some strange reason since there was a a lot of good material over the decades released) and flushed 99.9% when they took over.

 
NewlyRetired said:
That is not how it worked. 

There was a formal process where Lucas (ie: his lackey's) had to approve each novel, short story, comic, etc, and then he got a small piece of the revenue generated from said item.  Once it was approved it was considered canon.   

There were non canon items released over the years but they were basically ignored and never considered part of the EU.

Disney did not want to be beholden to the canon (for some strange reason since there was a a lot of good material over the decades released) and flushed 99.9% when they took over.
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Thanks! I stand corrected.

 
NewlyRetired said:
are you saying the prequels never drew real criticism?  That seems egregiously incorrect.
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If you go back to the reviews in their time, they are largely positive, with those who liked it largely glowing.  Roger Ebert 4.5 stars.  

Fans convinced themselves something that was absolute crap was good, because they were caught up in a star wars moment.  There's also confirmation bias to wanting to defend a product they've paid for and only time gives the critical eye.

The fan community didn't want to filet lucas though he deserved it, and that wouldn't come in earnest until well after Revenge of the Sith, with stuff like the Red Letter media reviews

 
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Smack Tripper said:
If you go back to the reviews in their time, they are largely positive, with those who liked it largely glowing.  Roger Ebert
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Roger Ebert did not like Attack of the Clones.  Here are some quotes from his review dated March 10, 2002.

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"But as someone who admired the freshness and energy of the earlier films, I was amazed, at the end of "Episode II," to realize that I had not heard one line of quotable, memorable dialogue. And the images, however magnificently conceived, did not have the impact they deserved.

But most of that first hour consists of dialogue, as the characters establish plot points, update viewers on what has happened since "Episode I," and debate the political crisis facing the Republic. They talk and talk and talk. And their talk is in a flat utilitarian style: They seem more like lawyers than the heroes of a romantic fantasy.

Too much of the rest of the film is given over to a romance between Padme and Anakin in which they're incapable of uttering anything other than the most basic and weary romantic cliches, while regarding each other as if love was something to be endured rather than cherished. There is not a romantic word they exchange that has not long since been reduced to cliche.

No, wait: Anakin tells Padme at one point: "I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating--not like you. You're soft and smooth." I hadn't heard that before.

I have to see the film again to do it justice. I'm sure I will greatly enjoy its visionary sequences on DVD; I like stuff like that. The dialogue is another matter. Perhaps because a movie like this opens everywhere in the world on the same day, the dialogue has to be dumbed down for easier dubbing or subtitling. Wit, poetry and imagination are specific to the languages where they originate, and although translators can work wonders, sometimes you get the words but not the music. So it's safer to avoid the music.

 
NewlyRetired said:
are you saying the prequels never drew real criticism?  That seems egregiously incorrect.
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Out of all his terrible posts in this thread, I think that one was the most aggressively awful. 

 
Smack Tripper said:
I think the more sensible realization is that talk is cheap and Johnson is not part of the furniture. This franchise is the blue chip, it is ( or was) the Tiffany property in Hollywood.  It survived 3 awful Lucas films on the strength of the trilogy and the faith in the creator.  George Lucas banked that equity.   JJ Abrahams is our closest modern day he Spielberg. 

Rian Johnson is a wannabe think piece jabroni who never drew a dime with his Movies and drew the first real criticism in franchise history. 

This is like having the finest race car in the world and you get to the Daytona 500 and you let your uber driver run it. 

That press release isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. There is no way they’re paying what they had to pay to buy these guys out of hbo to be on the b team while ham hands keeps wrecking ####. 

If Johnson is doing such a good job why isn’t he doing episode 9?  Why did they have to go buy a guy out of paramount to come make this movie. 
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Man, you've gotta get it together.

 
KarmaPolice said:
How many movies does the average person see in the theater a year? 
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It's not the avg that matters. You're probably the avg at 4-5.

The two largest demos are teens/young adults and seniors. They have the most free time and it's affordable entertainment. These groups see way more movies than you. 

 
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The Artoo trilogy is going to be killer. 

Beep Boop Blop will probably be better than Boo Boop Bleep, but let’s see who directs each. 

 
Smack Tripper said:
If you go back to the reviews in their time, they are largely positive, with those who liked it largely glowing.  Roger Ebert 4.5 stars.  

Fans convinced themselves something that was absolute crap was good, because they were caught up in a star wars moment.  There's also confirmation bias to wanting to defend a product they've paid for and only time gives the critical eye.

The fan community didn't want to filet lucas though he deserved it, and that wouldn't come in earnest until well after Revenge of the Sith, with stuff like the Red Letter media reviews
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Man, all of this is wrong

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Well, Solo is being billed as the “funniest star wars movie yet” in EW and one reason the directors were fired was because the movie was becoming a slapstick comedy like Dumb and Dumber. 
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You would think they would understand the humor they were getting when they brought on the dudes that did The Lego Movie and 21 Jump Street remake? 

 
Smack Tripper said:
No, it’s not. Here was ground zero of fan culture then 

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/3624
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You can't polish a turd.

I fail to understand how in the nascent stages of the innerwebs this review constitutes anything even remotely resembling "the pulse" of movie goers or critics. I have never heard of this site so if it was ground zero in 1999 then...meh. 

There was tons of criticism particularly relating to Jar Jar, terrible acting by the kid, horrible dialogue and all kinds of tone deaf racism.

Phantom Menace was mostly a disaster and everyone knew it.  One thing it got right, likely by accident, is that it ended with perhaps the best lightsaber fight scene in the entire series so fans walked out feeling somewhat okay because that fight was on their minds. Unfortunately Lucas failed to realize that in the process he also killed off the only remotely interesting antagonist of the entire prequel (IMO the second best antagonist to Vadar in the entire series).  Going from Darth Maul to Darth Poo-Poo and General Asthmatic was a huge drop off.

 
Tom Servo said:
It was never canon. Never. It's why it was called the EXTENDED UNIVERSE.
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It was absolutely canon. All authors were picked by Lucas arts and all of them had to submit their outlines before they could proceed. But then Lucas, who said he would never do any of the prequels or sequels decided to do the pre-quels and all that was written in those books and comic books was discarded.

 
TheFanatic said:
It was absolutely canon. All authors were picked by Lucas arts and all of them had to submit their outlines before they could proceed. But then Lucas, who said he would never do any of the prequels or sequels decided to do the pre-quels and all that was written in those books and comic books was discarded.
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I already admitted I was wrong about that. :bag:  

 
Smack Tripper said:
They are definitely dumping Johnson.  Why bring in these two guys?  Now we have two series going?  

They announced Johnson was doing a new trilogy to save face when JJ was announced for episode 9, when they realized they were going off the rails with last jedi.  And I was reading today JJ had issues with Kennedy, which explains a lot.  Why you would deviate from him off the Force awakens for an absolute nobody like Johnson, its really mindboggling.

These game of throne guys are her life raft.  

The force is not female apparently.  More white guys.
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You can't possibly believe that.  Trevorrow was announced as the director of Episode 9 in August 2015.  You really believe that Disney knew then how upset the mal-adjusted fanboys would get over Johnson's film so they didn't give him Ep 9, and yet still kept him on to shoot Ep 8?  And then turned around and gave him 3 more Star Wars films, and you think they are "dumping" him?  

We must define dumping in different ways.

 
Skipdog77 said:
You can't possibly believe that.  Trevorrow was announced as the director of Episode 9 in August 2015.  You really believe that Disney knew then how upset the mal-adjusted fanboys would get over Johnson's film so they didn't give him Ep 9, and yet still kept him on to shoot Ep 8?  And then turned around and gave him 3 more Star Wars films, and you think they are "dumping" him?  

We must define dumping in different ways.
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Don't worry about him; he thinks there's too many "broads" in the Star Wars movies.

 
Walking Boot said:
Why Star Wars nerds are rooting for Solo to bomb.

Smack Tripper is just one of the many, many people who have already made up their minds that they want this to suck and are going to shout loudly about it until they either make it happen, or at least convince everyone it does despite the numbers.
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I don’t “want it to fail” but as of now, I have no desire to see this at the theater. I would rather spend my real and “political/time” capital on black panther and/or Avengers at this point. 

 
Since I don't inhabit either world, I just assumed that there was a huge crossover for comic book dorks and SW EU nerds, but that could be completely wrong.  I am just wondering why there isn't such backlash from the Marvel community yet of them doing too many, not giving them something new, and the other complaints the SW movies seem to be getting.  Is it because they are moving into the marginal Marvel characters with stuff like Ant Man and Black Panther, or that the characters and movies have enough of their own individual style that it seems to be more fresh?   

It can't just be because they are doing a side movie of a known character, because I imagine the nerd boners would be huge if it was a Boba Fett movie.  What do the SW fans have in mind when they say they want this to fail so Disney might be forced to try new stuff? 

 
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