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Ah yes, what 12 year old isn't interested in taxation of trade routes, clunky seduction techniques, and infanticide?
I also think the "It's made for kids" excuse is a bit overdone. The original series appealed to both kids and adults and there is enough in the Lucas movies that are beyond most 12-year-olds. At least attempts at things.
I don't know any 80 year olds that are into Star Wars. I think it was almost exclusively kids who were into it in the 70's/80's
 
I get that we stick with this franchise because it shaped us growing up and that it is now made predominantly for kids but, for the first time, I am bailing. This show is objectively terrible. That last episode was painfully bad. Will try the next show.

I know that you were all dying to know!
Was it worse than that episode of The Book of Boba Fett with the teen bikers? I had to bail after that other than the Luke/Grogu episode.
No. That is the low-point I think for Star Wars shows to date.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando. :shrug:
Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.
Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?
 
Ah yes, what 12 year old isn't interested in taxation of trade routes, clunky seduction techniques, and infanticide?
I also think the "It's made for kids" excuse is a bit overdone. The original series appealed to both kids and adults and there is enough in the Lucas movies that are beyond most 12-year-olds. At least attempts at things.
I don't know any 80 year olds that are into Star Wars. I think it was almost exclusively kids who were into it in the 70's/80's

Short review by Gene Siskel in 1980. Note the two adults and one kid at the beginning that are looking forward seeing the movie. I remember going to see Empire Strikes Back with my older brother when I was 11 and he was 23.


news story on CBS Morning News, notice age of the people in line.



More people in line a bit far from child's age.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando. :shrug:
Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.
Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?
Presumably to expand their audience? Is it working?
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando. :shrug:
Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.
Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?
Presumably to expand their audience? Is it working?
Disney has a very DEI goal here and in some Marvel shows. The writers of She Hulk made similar statements. It is a very different show but an example of DEI that works and respects its source material, watch Bridgerton. As my daughter calls it, "The gayest show on TV that is also the TV show that is the most about heterosexual relationships!" With gayest meaning the show with the most amount of LGBTQ actors.
 
I get that we stick with this franchise because it shaped us growing up and that it is now made predominantly for kids but, for the first time, I am bailing. This show is objectively terrible. That last episode was painfully bad. Will try the next show.

I know that you were all dying to know!
Was it worse than that episode of The Book of Boba Fett with the teen bikers? I had to bail after that other than the Luke/Grogu episode.
No. That is the low-point I think for Star Wars shows to date.
It’s close.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando. :shrug:
Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.
Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?
The Acolyte was green lit in that pre-2021 or so era at Disney where their strategy was to just bring in accomplished or up and coming directors for Star Wars and Marvel projects and let them do their own esoteric stories within the universe. It’s worked occasionally (Andor) but I think they’ve since abandoned that strategy in favor of giving Filoni and Favreau more control.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando. :shrug:
Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.
Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?
This is not remotely true. The exact opposite, in fact. She is a SW nerd.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando. :shrug:
I think Andor and Mando are on different levels of quality, but that isn't important. Andor is my favorite show of all time perhaps, but it performed worse than any other Star Wars show, including three far inferior shows in Boba Fett, Kenobi, and Ahsoka. It is indeed a conundrum when the goal is to get people to watch your show, and not necessarily appeal to us nerds who like stuff like Andor
 
I thought episode 5 was great.
I think it sets up for an interesting 2nd half of the show - - certainly a a chance to see how the "other half" lives.

Going into the episode, I thought the master reveal was so obvious that it was not going to be him.

I think it's also pretty clear that there is more to learn about Sol's past - and how the Jedi may have done some bad things - even if they thought they had good intentions. And, I can see how this might be concerning for "traditionalist" who were raised on the notion that this is a universe of good guys and bad guys - and the Jedi are the good guys.
 
So, I've watched them all. It is coming back a bit. Last couple of episodes, relying far less on dialogue, have been entertaining.
 
I thought episode 5 was great.
I think it sets up for an interesting 2nd half of the show - - certainly a a chance to see how the "other half" lives.

Going into the episode, I thought the master reveal was so obvious that it was not going to be him.

I think it's also pretty clear that there is more to learn about Sol's past - and how the Jedi may have done some bad things - even if they thought they had good intentions. And, I can see how this might be concerning for "traditionalist" who were raised on the notion that this is a universe of good guys and bad guys - and the Jedi are the good guys.
While there's some room for individual mistakes, this would be a huge miss. I have been assuming that was a misdirection of sorts, and that the Jedi Order will ultimately come out looking ok here. If not, it's a real change in direction to the mythos, which may be what they're going for but would be a very stupid business decision imo.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
There are two things there....

1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.

2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.

Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
There are two things there....

1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.

2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.

Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. I still like the original trilogy, in much the same way that I like the original Halloween despite the rest of the franchise being dreck. But maybe we should consider that it's probably no longer in Disney's interests to cater to people like me.

It's been over 40 years since ROTJ. Forty years. Four decades. When ROTJ was released, Americans were considering whether it was wise to elect a 73 year-old person to run the country, because that was considered unfathomably old and feeble at the time. The drummer for Def Leppard had two arms. The Space Shuttle was still a brand-new thing. John Elway, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino were attending rookie camp, and Buddy Ryan was still in the process of installing the 46 defense.

That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.

I don't know about you, but I soured on the franchise after the prequels. I saw The Force Awakens in theaters, and it did nothing to change my mind about the direction of the franchise. Eventually I watched The Last Jedi on streaming, and that was it for me. I never bothered to see the last one.

Let's say they abandon the sequels and all the crap that they pushed out there on Disney+ and they returned SW to its old-school roots. Well, I already checked out, and there's just too much other superb content out there competing for my limited viewing time. I am not coming back to this franchise. I'll always have the OG trilogy, and I'm content with that. At this point, they might as well just continue to churn out stuff for whatever their current fanbase is. Disney has lost people like me, so it makes sense to cater to the audience that they've acquired over the last decade or so.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
There are two things there....

1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.

2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.

Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. I
Type A or Hildebrandt?


 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
There are two things there....

1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.

2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.

Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. I
Type A or Hildebrandt?


The first one. It was the one I remembered best.
 
The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
There are two things there....

1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.

2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.

Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. I still like the original trilogy, in much the same way that I like the original Halloween despite the rest of the franchise being dreck. But maybe we should consider that it's probably no longer in Disney's interests to cater to people like me.

It's been over 40 years since ROTJ. Forty years. Four decades. When ROTJ was released, Americans were considering whether it was wise to elect a 73 year-old person to run the country, because that was considered unfathomably old and feeble at the time. The drummer for Def Leppard had two arms. The Space Shuttle was still a brand-new thing. John Elway, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino were attending rookie camp, and Buddy Ryan was still in the process of installing the 46 defense.

That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.

I don't know about you, but I soured on the franchise after the prequels. I saw The Force Awakens in theaters, and it did nothing to change my mind about the direction of the franchise. Eventually I watched The Last Jedi on streaming, and that was it for me. I never bothered to see the last one.

Let's say they abandon the sequels and all the crap that they pushed out there on Disney+ and they returned SW to its old-school roots. Well, I already checked out, and there's just too much other superb content out there competing for my limited viewing time. I am not coming back to this franchise. I'll always have the OG trilogy, and I'm content with that. At this point, they might as well just continue to churn out stuff for whatever their current fanbase is. Disney has lost people like me, so it makes sense to cater to the audience that they've acquired over the last decade or so.
For me, I am the same, a Gen X fan. Star Wars was my first love... before GI Joe, Transformers, and even comic books. My earliest memories are being a Star Wars fan and a Dodgers fan.

I really hate hearing the "well, that wasn't for you." and it usually has an attachment of all my labels.... CIS, straight, white, 40's male. Ok... but I am a freaking fan. If it isn't for me then who the hell is it for? And that might be one of the biggest issues with Star Wars is that they are preoccupied with all those labels rather than producing good content that is true to the universe. On top of that, I am really sick of any and all criticism from fans being dismissed as 'xenophobic', 'racist', 'misogynistic', or whatever else. Are there people like that out there... sure.... but for the most part the fanbase DOES NOT CARE about any of that.As an example, it drives me crazy when I hear fans don't like a character because the actor playing them is black. Really? You are telling me that a fanbase that has loved Lando from the very beginning just much as R2D2, C3PO, Han, Luke, Leia and Chewy is now somehow now all of a sudden having issues with it? Not to mention that I have never heard criticism about Mace Windu or Saw Gerrera (Finn there was some criticism which I found lacking and then there was a hefty amount for Reva which I agreed with). Kennedy uses the social politics as a shield to excuse her failures. "Oh, it is just people that are (fill in the label, racist, misogynistic or whatever) that don't like it because they are hateful"

I LOVED Andor. I actually think it is a better series than Mando though I like that as well. I am not going to say that I loved the lesbian relationship in it but it sure didn't keep me from celebrating and being a fan of the series. It is more of a roll of the eyes "well, we had to have something thrown in there these days" and move on.

I have not yet watched Acolyte. I am not excited about it and I kind of do expect to not enjoy it. Part of that is that my expectations have been lowered with Star Wars and part of it is feedback from others. But, the reality is, I will sit down and watch it. Why? Because I am a die hard fan.

If Disney really wants to keep the Star Wars universe to make money- it needs to have content creators that love and know the universe. Those people are the ones that will speak to the fanbase and the SW fanbase is huge enough to carry it. If the fans love something, others will watch as well and then new fans will be created just like my youngest son who is a big SW fan. I think Rex is his favorite character not just in SW but anything.
 
1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
??? We get like one show a year. There hasn’t been a new movie since before Covid. This is too much for yall?
The "specialness" has worn off because of the frequency. Remember, there was a what.... 16 year gap between ROTJ and Phantom Menace. There was not much of anything else going on in that period other than books and comics.

If you lose the specialness of something because of quantity then you best not have lower quality or else you are going to lose people.
 
The "specialness" has worn off because of the frequency. Remember, there was a what.... 16 year gap between ROTJ and Phantom Menace. There was not much of anything else going on in that period other than books and comics.
Bro I’ll be dead I’m not waiting 16 years to follow along lmao. Just give good stories (they usually do) and it’s fine.
 

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