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The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
I don't know any 80 year olds that are into Star Wars. I think it was almost exclusively kids who were into it in the 70's/80'sI also think the "It's made for kids" excuse is a bit overdone. The original series appealed to both kids and adults and there is enough in the Lucas movies that are beyond most 12-year-olds. At least attempts at things.Ah yes, what 12 year old isn't interested in taxation of trade routes, clunky seduction techniques, and infanticide?
No. That is the low-point I think for Star Wars shows to date.Was it worse than that episode of The Book of Boba Fett with the teen bikers? I had to bail after that other than the Luke/Grogu episode.I get that we stick with this franchise because it shaped us growing up and that it is now made predominantly for kids but, for the first time, I am bailing. This show is objectively terrible. That last episode was painfully bad. Will try the next show.
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The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.

Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
I don't know any 80 year olds that are into Star Wars. I think it was almost exclusively kids who were into it in the 70's/80'sI also think the "It's made for kids" excuse is a bit overdone. The original series appealed to both kids and adults and there is enough in the Lucas movies that are beyond most 12-year-olds. At least attempts at things.Ah yes, what 12 year old isn't interested in taxation of trade routes, clunky seduction techniques, and infanticide?
Presumably to expand their audience? Is it working?Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
Disney has a very DEI goal here and in some Marvel shows. The writers of She Hulk made similar statements. It is a very different show but an example of DEI that works and respects its source material, watch Bridgerton. As my daughter calls it, "The gayest show on TV that is also the TV show that is the most about heterosexual relationships!" With gayest meaning the show with the most amount of LGBTQ actors.Presumably to expand their audience? Is it working?Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
It’s close.No. That is the low-point I think for Star Wars shows to date.Was it worse than that episode of The Book of Boba Fett with the teen bikers? I had to bail after that other than the Luke/Grogu episode.I get that we stick with this franchise because it shaped us growing up and that it is now made predominantly for kids but, for the first time, I am bailing. This show is objectively terrible. That last episode was painfully bad. Will try the next show.
I know that you were all dying to know!
The Acolyte was green lit in that pre-2021 or so era at Disney where their strategy was to just bring in accomplished or up and coming directors for Star Wars and Marvel projects and let them do their own esoteric stories within the universe. It’s worked occasionally (Andor) but I think they’ve since abandoned that strategy in favor of giving Filoni and Favreau more control.Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
This is not remotely true. The exact opposite, in fact. She is a SW nerd.Maybe the question is, why did they move on from Directors/Writers/Producers who understood the SW Universe and rely on those who have no idea what it is? The person behind The Acolyte openly said she has not idea what SW is about and hasn't watched any of the material. Why choose to work with someone who doesn't know anything about the source material? You don't need to be a nerd about it and recite every book, chapter, verse - but you need to at least be familiar with the topic in order to create something about it, right?Easier said than done. They've shown to be incapable of producing material of consistent high quality.The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
Just finished with ESB (for about the 150th time) - it's still one of the best movies of all time.
I think Andor and Mando are on different levels of quality, but that isn't important. Andor is my favorite show of all time perhaps, but it performed worse than any other Star Wars show, including three far inferior shows in Boba Fett, Kenobi, and Ahsoka. It is indeed a conundrum when the goal is to get people to watch your show, and not necessarily appeal to us nerds who like stuff like AndorThe conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
doesn't have to be ....just put out quality like Andor and Mando.![]()
They're like your kids - you love them both, but which one is your favorite depends on the day.Just finished with ESB (for about the 150th time) - it's still one of the best movies of all time.
Although not as good as Episode 4 of course.
YepJust finished with ESB (for about the 150th time) - it's still one of the best movies of all time.
Joe Pesci as an inquisitor. I can see it.@Bob Sacamano what about a Home Alone style caper with young Anakin and defending his home from 2 inquisitors or something (or whatever works in that timeline). Or bounty hunters. Whatever
@Bob Sacamano what about a Home Alone style caper with young Anakin and defending his home from 2 inquisitors or something (or whatever works in that timeline). Or bounty hunters. Whatever
Just rewatched the first two seasons before watching season 3 which I haven’t seen yet.Halfway through season 2 of Bad Batch.
Put this show in the "Good Star Wars" category.
I thought the last season was solid if unspectacular.Just rewatched the first two seasons before watching season 3 which I haven’t seen yet.Halfway through season 2 of Bad Batch.
Put this show in the "Good Star Wars" category.
Very good show but it falls after Clone Wars and Rebels for me.Halfway through season 2 of Bad Batch.
Put this show in the "Good Star Wars" category.
I think it sets up for an interesting 2nd half of the show - - certainly a a chance to see how the "other half" lives.I thought episode 5 was great.
I thought episode 5 was great.
While there's some room for individual mistakes, this would be a huge miss. I have been assuming that was a misdirection of sorts, and that the Jedi Order will ultimately come out looking ok here. If not, it's a real change in direction to the mythos, which may be what they're going for but would be a very stupid business decision imo.I think it sets up for an interesting 2nd half of the show - - certainly a a chance to see how the "other half" lives.I thought episode 5 was great.
Going into the episode, I thought the master reveal was so obvious that it was not going to be him.
I think it's also pretty clear that there is more to learn about Sol's past - and how the Jedi may have done some bad things - even if they thought they had good intentions. And, I can see how this might be concerning for "traditionalist" who were raised on the notion that this is a universe of good guys and bad guys - and the Jedi are the good guys.
Yes, it was fun. I love lightsabers.Anyone here watched the first two episodes of The Acolyte?

That is the correct ranking there.Very good show but it falls after Clone Wars and Rebels for me.Halfway through season 2 of Bad Batch.
Put this show in the "Good Star Wars" category.
Last seasons of those two shows clears most Star Wars entertainment for me.
There are two things there....The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. I still like the original trilogy, in much the same way that I like the original Halloween despite the rest of the franchise being dreck. But maybe we should consider that it's probably no longer in Disney's interests to cater to people like me.There are two things there....The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.
Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
??? We get like one show a year. There hasn’t been a new movie since before Covid. This is too much for yall?1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
Type A or Hildebrandt?I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. IThere are two things there....The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.
Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
The first one. It was the one I remembered best.Type A or Hildebrandt?I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. IThere are two things there....The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.
Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
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For me, I am the same, a Gen X fan. Star Wars was my first love... before GI Joe, Transformers, and even comic books. My earliest memories are being a Star Wars fan and a Dodgers fan.I sympathize. I'm an old-school Gen X fan, and I have a framed movie poster from E4 hanging in my basement. I still like the original trilogy, in much the same way that I like the original Halloween despite the rest of the franchise being dreck. But maybe we should consider that it's probably no longer in Disney's interests to cater to people like me.There are two things there....The conundrum is that we seem to want more SW content, but with each series the specialness of the SW universe is diluted.
1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
2nd, quality is so very important. The focus, it seems, has not been on developing the best content in a coherent SW Universe but producing as much as you can with creatives that clearly have no love for Star Wars or are even true fans. Outside of Filoni and Favreau it seems like they have had a parade of show runners, directors, writers etc who are more excited about telling their pet project stories within the Star Wars universe than to be a part of the Star Wars universe. I think that is a real and substantive difference. I am sorry, you will never convince me that hiring a writer that had never even seen a single Star Wars movie or show and "thinks there is a dog in it" is a good thing. Real fans can see and feel that lack of respect for them and the universe that they love so it shouldn't be any surprise when they get let down with a ton of stuff that is just sub par.
Kennedy very badly needs to be fired. I would love Filoni to get that role but then I don't want him taken away from content creation because everything he is involved in is gold.
It's been over 40 years since ROTJ. Forty years. Four decades. When ROTJ was released, Americans were considering whether it was wise to elect a 73 year-old person to run the country, because that was considered unfathomably old and feeble at the time. The drummer for Def Leppard had two arms. The Space Shuttle was still a brand-new thing. John Elway, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino were attending rookie camp, and Buddy Ryan was still in the process of installing the 46 defense.
That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.
I don't know about you, but I soured on the franchise after the prequels. I saw The Force Awakens in theaters, and it did nothing to change my mind about the direction of the franchise. Eventually I watched The Last Jedi on streaming, and that was it for me. I never bothered to see the last one.
Let's say they abandon the sequels and all the crap that they pushed out there on Disney+ and they returned SW to its old-school roots. Well, I already checked out, and there's just too much other superb content out there competing for my limited viewing time. I am not coming back to this franchise. I'll always have the OG trilogy, and I'm content with that. At this point, they might as well just continue to churn out stuff for whatever their current fanbase is. Disney has lost people like me, so it makes sense to cater to the audience that they've acquired over the last decade or so.
The "specialness" has worn off because of the frequency. Remember, there was a what.... 16 year gap between ROTJ and Phantom Menace. There was not much of anything else going on in that period other than books and comics.??? We get like one show a year. There hasn’t been a new movie since before Covid. This is too much for yall?1st, yes, we want more Star Wars content BUT you have to pace it out. Fish want to eat.... but if you give them too much food they eat themselves to death.
Bro I’ll be dead I’m not waiting 16 years to follow along lmao. Just give good stories (they usually do) and it’s fine.The "specialness" has worn off because of the frequency. Remember, there was a what.... 16 year gap between ROTJ and Phantom Menace. There was not much of anything else going on in that period other than books and comics.
The drummer for Def Leppard had two arms.
I can't stop laughing about this (I know, I'm on a road to Hades)...This is completely inaccurate.That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.
Rogue One would like a word.This is completely inaccurate.That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.
Mainline.Rogue One would like a word.This is completely inaccurate.That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.
The Force Awakens is a better movie than Return of the Jedi. The Last Jedi is also a solid movieMainline.Rogue One would like a word.This is completely inaccurate.That was the last time they made a good mainline Star Wars film.