Star Wars Universe (1 Viewer)

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm with you on Kennedy, and Filoni will get the benefit of the doubt from me forever, if for nothing more than the final season of Clone Wars.

But creatives who have no love for SW? Leslye Headland is a huge SW nerd. She wrote SW fan fiction growing up.

And in a room full of writers, they had one person whose job wasn't to develop plot lines, but to say, "Does this thing that the rest of us have written make sense to someone who is experiencing SW for the first time?" I have no idea how anyone views that as a problem.

When I hear someone saying they are excited to tell their pet project story in the SW universe rather than being excited to tell a SW story... sorry, you don't love it like I do. I don't care if you wrote fan fiction or not. Your love for something else is the driver here. Fans feel that. Fans react to that. Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with.

I am sorry, you don't need someone who has never even seen SW to be a writer. Hell, if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to watch one of them. That will never be ok with me and it shows the absolute disregard and dismissiveness in what Disney has done with a lot of the Star Wars content they have produced.

Not investing an hour and a half to watch them has nothing to do with caring. It would literally disqualify her for the job. They specifically sought out someone who hadn't seen any of it. That was precisely the point.

What is a story in the SW universe that isn't someone's pet project story? It isn't tied to a Skywalker, so it doesn't count as SW?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

 

[Psychopav]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And some, I assume, are good people.

 

[Chadstroma]

I'm with you on Kennedy, and Filoni will get the benefit of the doubt from me forever, if for nothing more than the final season of Clone Wars.

But creatives who have no love for SW? Leslye Headland is a huge SW nerd. She wrote SW fan fiction growing up.

And in a room full of writers, they had one person whose job wasn't to develop plot lines, but to say, "Does this thing that the rest of us have written make sense to someone who is experiencing SW for the first time?" I have no idea how anyone views that as a problem.

When I hear someone saying they are excited to tell their pet project story in the SW universe rather than being excited to tell a SW story... sorry, you don't love it like I do. I don't care if you wrote fan fiction or not. Your love for something else is the driver here. Fans feel that. Fans react to that. Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with.

I am sorry, you don't need someone who has never even seen SW to be a writer. Hell, if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to watch one of them. That will never be ok with me and it shows the absolute disregard and dismissiveness in what Disney has done with a lot of the Star Wars content they have produced.

Not investing an hour and a half to watch them has nothing to do with caring. It would literally disqualify her for the job. They specifically sought out someone who hadn't seen any of it. That was precisely the point.

What is a story in the SW universe that isn't someone's pet project story? It isn't tied to a Skywalker, so it doesn't count as SW?

It is a moronic concept for a well established franchise with likely the biggest fanbase of any franchise.... to get someone who doesn't give a rat's toosh about the SW Universe to write for it. You can try to twist it however you want but it is that exact type of crap that so much of the fanbase gets out of this content and why they revolt against it. I think it is the biggest reason why Filoni's stuff resonates so much with the fanbase because you feel it.... like cooking.... what is the secret ingredient? Love.

And by pet project, I am talking about whatever social or political story or statement that they want to make. I wish I could find it again but I saw an interview where Hlderbrand (however you spell it) said that she was most excited about being able to tell a queer story in SW because of the reach it has. I don't care what the thing is that they are pushing and I think most of the fanbase that is tired of the crap they have been putting out wants is to tell us a SW story. Don't use SW to tell your own personal social or political agenda.

 

[Chadstroma]

Oh, I think you’re confusing my attempt to explain the lack of appeal of the prequels to Us Gen Xers, with a defense of the quality of the films. I think they stink. And I worked on every single one of them.

Ahmed?

That is one point, I would like to make... I did not like Jar Jar, well, more I did not like the amount of screen time he got.... I think it would have been fine in smaller doses but it is what it is. I really didn't like the backlash on Ahmed though and loved him getting that cameo of being a Jedi. I felt some redemption for him in that as an actor.

 

[Chadstroma]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

I don't spin my wheels on that crap.

If I am spending my time on something concerning SW outside of the actual SW content it is going to be something worthwhile.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm with you on Kennedy, and Filoni will get the benefit of the doubt from me forever, if for nothing more than the final season of Clone Wars.

But creatives who have no love for SW? Leslye Headland is a huge SW nerd. She wrote SW fan fiction growing up.

And in a room full of writers, they had one person whose job wasn't to develop plot lines, but to say, "Does this thing that the rest of us have written make sense to someone who is experiencing SW for the first time?" I have no idea how anyone views that as a problem.

When I hear someone saying they are excited to tell their pet project story in the SW universe rather than being excited to tell a SW story... sorry, you don't love it like I do. I don't care if you wrote fan fiction or not. Your love for something else is the driver here. Fans feel that. Fans react to that. Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with.

I am sorry, you don't need someone who has never even seen SW to be a writer. Hell, if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to watch one of them. That will never be ok with me and it shows the absolute disregard and dismissiveness in what Disney has done with a lot of the Star Wars content they have produced.

Not investing an hour and a half to watch them has nothing to do with caring. It would literally disqualify her for the job. They specifically sought out someone who hadn't seen any of it. That was precisely the point.

What is a story in the SW universe that isn't someone's pet project story? It isn't tied to a Skywalker, so it doesn't count as SW?

It is a moronic concept for a well established franchise with likely the biggest fanbase of any franchise.... to get someone who doesn't give a rat's toosh about the SW Universe to write for it. You can try to twist it however you want but it is that exact type of crap that so much of the fanbase gets out of this content and why they revolt against it. I think it is the biggest reason why Filoni's stuff resonates so much with the fanbase because you feel it.... like cooking.... what is the secret ingredient? Love.

And by pet project, I am talking about whatever social or political story or statement that they want to make. I wish I could find it again but I saw an interview where Hlderbrand (however you spell it) said that she was most excited about being able to tell a queer story in SW because of the reach it has. I don't care what the thing is that they are pushing and I think most of the fanbase that is tired of the crap they have been putting out wants is to tell us a SW story. Don't use SW to tell your own personal social or political agenda.

Lol. I'm not twisting anything. They hired someone with no star wars knowledge specifically to have no SW knowledge. You're welcome to find that an affront to all things Star Wars, but it's a bizarre excuse for judgment.

"This movie is going to suck. One of the janitors uses Husky tools on set."

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

There's no forced diversity in the prequels, and everybody except one poster's kids agrees that they suck. It's not really that difficult to disentangle actual film criticism from DEI stuff.

 

[Psychopav]

I'm with you on Kennedy, and Filoni will get the benefit of the doubt from me forever, if for nothing more than the final season of Clone Wars.

But creatives who have no love for SW? Leslye Headland is a huge SW nerd. She wrote SW fan fiction growing up.

And in a room full of writers, they had one person whose job wasn't to develop plot lines, but to say, "Does this thing that the rest of us have written make sense to someone who is experiencing SW for the first time?" I have no idea how anyone views that as a problem.

When I hear someone saying they are excited to tell their pet project story in the SW universe rather than being excited to tell a SW story... sorry, you don't love it like I do. I don't care if you wrote fan fiction or not. Your love for something else is the driver here. Fans feel that. Fans react to that. Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with.

I am sorry, you don't need someone who has never even seen SW to be a writer. Hell, if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to watch one of them. That will never be ok with me and it shows the absolute disregard and dismissiveness in what Disney has done with a lot of the Star Wars content they have produced.

Not investing an hour and a half to watch them has nothing to do with caring. It would literally disqualify her for the job. They specifically sought out someone who hadn't seen any of it. That was precisely the point.

What is a story in the SW universe that isn't someone's pet project story? It isn't tied to a Skywalker, so it doesn't count as SW?

It is a moronic concept for a well established franchise with likely the biggest fanbase of any franchise.... to get someone who doesn't give a rat's toosh about the SW Universe to write for it. You can try to twist it however you want but it is that exact type of crap that so much of the fanbase gets out of this content and why they revolt against it. I think it is the biggest reason why Filoni's stuff resonates so much with the fanbase because you feel it.... like cooking.... what is the secret ingredient? Love.

And by pet project, I am talking about whatever social or political story or statement that they want to make. I wish I could find it again but I saw an interview where Hlderbrand (however you spell it) said that she was most excited about being able to tell a queer story in SW because of the reach it has. I don't care what the thing is that they are pushing and I think most of the fanbase that is tired of the crap they have been putting out wants is to tell us a SW story. Don't use SW to tell your own personal social or political agenda.

Lol. I'm not twisting anything. They hired someone with no star wars knowledge specifically to have no SW knowledge. You're welcome to find that an affront to all things Star Wars, but it's a bizarre excuse for judgment.

"This movie is going to suck. One of the janitors uses Husky tools on set."

I agree, that alone isn't an issue.

A much bigger issue is not having a narrative plan heading into Movie 1 of a trilogy. Like, much much much bigger. Almost like they said the story doesn't really matter - as long as we call it Star Wars and have cool effects the fans will pay to see it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

I don't spin my wheels on that crap.

If I am spending my time on something concerning SW outside of the actual SW content it is going to be something worthwhile.

"if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to..."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm with you on Kennedy, and Filoni will get the benefit of the doubt from me forever, if for nothing more than the final season of Clone Wars.

But creatives who have no love for SW? Leslye Headland is a huge SW nerd. She wrote SW fan fiction growing up.

And in a room full of writers, they had one person whose job wasn't to develop plot lines, but to say, "Does this thing that the rest of us have written make sense to someone who is experiencing SW for the first time?" I have no idea how anyone views that as a problem.

When I hear someone saying they are excited to tell their pet project story in the SW universe rather than being excited to tell a SW story... sorry, you don't love it like I do. I don't care if you wrote fan fiction or not. Your love for something else is the driver here. Fans feel that. Fans react to that. Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with.

I am sorry, you don't need someone who has never even seen SW to be a writer. Hell, if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to watch one of them. That will never be ok with me and it shows the absolute disregard and dismissiveness in what Disney has done with a lot of the Star Wars content they have produced.

Not investing an hour and a half to watch them has nothing to do with caring. It would literally disqualify her for the job. They specifically sought out someone who hadn't seen any of it. That was precisely the point.

What is a story in the SW universe that isn't someone's pet project story? It isn't tied to a Skywalker, so it doesn't count as SW?

It is a moronic concept for a well established franchise with likely the biggest fanbase of any franchise.... to get someone who doesn't give a rat's toosh about the SW Universe to write for it. You can try to twist it however you want but it is that exact type of crap that so much of the fanbase gets out of this content and why they revolt against it. I think it is the biggest reason why Filoni's stuff resonates so much with the fanbase because you feel it.... like cooking.... what is the secret ingredient? Love.

And by pet project, I am talking about whatever social or political story or statement that they want to make. I wish I could find it again but I saw an interview where Hlderbrand (however you spell it) said that she was most excited about being able to tell a queer story in SW because of the reach it has. I don't care what the thing is that they are pushing and I think most of the fanbase that is tired of the crap they have been putting out wants is to tell us a SW story. Don't use SW to tell your own personal social or political agenda.

Lol. I'm not twisting anything. They hired someone with no star wars knowledge specifically to have no SW knowledge. You're welcome to find that an affront to all things Star Wars, but it's a bizarre excuse for judgment.

"This movie is going to suck. One of the janitors uses Husky tools on set."

I agree, that alone isn't an issue.

A much bigger issue is not having a narrative plan heading into Movie 1 of a trilogy. Like, much much much bigger. Almost like they said the story doesn't really matter - as long as we call it Star Wars and have cool effects the fans will pay to see it.

Oh, you're are NOT going to put me in a position to defend those movies. You're miles from my point.

 

[Psychopav]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

But is someone saying "look how people panned it vocally" to support their arguments here? I may have missed it. I certainly wouldn't use that as an argument as to why Disney has dropped the ball.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

There's no forced diversity in the prequels, and everybody except one poster's kids agrees that they suck. It's not really that difficult to disentangle actual film criticism from DEI stuff.

When actual film criticism is provided, I agree.

 

[Psychopav]

I'm with you on Kennedy, and Filoni will get the benefit of the doubt from me forever, if for nothing more than the final season of Clone Wars.

But creatives who have no love for SW? Leslye Headland is a huge SW nerd. She wrote SW fan fiction growing up.

And in a room full of writers, they had one person whose job wasn't to develop plot lines, but to say, "Does this thing that the rest of us have written make sense to someone who is experiencing SW for the first time?" I have no idea how anyone views that as a problem.

When I hear someone saying they are excited to tell their pet project story in the SW universe rather than being excited to tell a SW story... sorry, you don't love it like I do. I don't care if you wrote fan fiction or not. Your love for something else is the driver here. Fans feel that. Fans react to that. Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with.

I am sorry, you don't need someone who has never even seen SW to be a writer. Hell, if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to watch one of them. That will never be ok with me and it shows the absolute disregard and dismissiveness in what Disney has done with a lot of the Star Wars content they have produced.

Not investing an hour and a half to watch them has nothing to do with caring. It would literally disqualify her for the job. They specifically sought out someone who hadn't seen any of it. That was precisely the point.

What is a story in the SW universe that isn't someone's pet project story? It isn't tied to a Skywalker, so it doesn't count as SW?

It is a moronic concept for a well established franchise with likely the biggest fanbase of any franchise.... to get someone who doesn't give a rat's toosh about the SW Universe to write for it. You can try to twist it however you want but it is that exact type of crap that so much of the fanbase gets out of this content and why they revolt against it. I think it is the biggest reason why Filoni's stuff resonates so much with the fanbase because you feel it.... like cooking.... what is the secret ingredient? Love.

And by pet project, I am talking about whatever social or political story or statement that they want to make. I wish I could find it again but I saw an interview where Hlderbrand (however you spell it) said that she was most excited about being able to tell a queer story in SW because of the reach it has. I don't care what the thing is that they are pushing and I think most of the fanbase that is tired of the crap they have been putting out wants is to tell us a SW story. Don't use SW to tell your own personal social or political agenda.

Lol. I'm not twisting anything. They hired someone with no star wars knowledge specifically to have no SW knowledge. You're welcome to find that an affront to all things Star Wars, but it's a bizarre excuse for judgment.

"This movie is going to suck. One of the janitors uses Husky tools on set."

I agree, that alone isn't an issue.

A much bigger issue is not having a narrative plan heading into Movie 1 of a trilogy. Like, much much much bigger. Almost like they said the story doesn't really matter - as long as we call it Star Wars and have cool effects the fans will pay to see it.

Oh, you're are NOT going to put me in a position to defend those movies. You're miles from my point.

Touche.

 

[Chadstroma]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

 

[Chadstroma]

Lol. I'm not twisting anything. They hired someone with no star wars knowledge specifically to have no SW knowledge. You're welcome to find that an affront to all things Star Wars, but it's a bizarre excuse for judgment.

"This movie is going to suck. One of the janitors uses Husky tools on set."

And I am saying that shows exactly what the criticism is. A total disregard for the universe and the fanbase. It amounts to spitting in the face of a fanbase that cares as much as they do about this universe.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

But is someone saying "look how people panned it vocally" to support their arguments here? I may have missed it. I certainly wouldn't use that as an argument as to why Disney has dropped the ball.

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

 

[Chadstroma]

I agree, that alone isn't an issue.

A much bigger issue is not having a narrative plan heading into Movie 1 of a trilogy. Like, much much much bigger. Almost like they said the story doesn't really matter - as long as we call it Star Wars and have cool effects the fans will pay to see it.

And confound that with having two directors that wanted to go in different directions and end up almost directing against the other creating a very disjointed delivery with three films that are supposed to be a progression of a story into three separate movies that happen to have the same characters.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Lol. I'm not twisting anything. They hired someone with no star wars knowledge specifically to have no SW knowledge. You're welcome to find that an affront to all things Star Wars, but it's a bizarre excuse for judgment.

"This movie is going to suck. One of the janitors uses Husky tools on set."

And I am saying that shows exactly what the criticism is. A total disregard for the universe and the fanbase. It amounts to spitting in the face of a fanbase that cares as much as they do about this universe.

That's... one take

 

[Psychopav]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

But is someone saying "look how people panned it vocally" to support their arguments here? I may have missed it. I certainly wouldn't use that as an argument as to why Disney has dropped the ball.

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

Fair point.

 

[Chadstroma]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

I don't spin my wheels on that crap.

If I am spending my time on something concerning SW outside of the actual SW content it is going to be something worthwhile.

"if you cared a tiny little bit, you would actually, I don't know... invest the hour and a half to..."

Well, that is dumb... I would be willing to wager I have spent more time on SW content than you have. Sure, there are plenty who have invested more than me but I am no slouch. Just because I don't troll X doesn't come close to being a writer on a movie with the biggest fanbase ever and never watching it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

 

[Psychopav]

I will agree that even if the goal is to bring in fresh eyes so to speak, the first thing I would expect that person to do is to get familiar with the context.

 

[Psychopav]

I will agree that even if the goal is to bring in fresh eyes so to speak, the first thing I would expect that person to do is to get familiar with the context.

Reminds me a bit of the True Detective criticisms with the new season. But even she was very familiar with True Detective. And whether you think she achieve it or not, IMO she was making a concerted effort to put the new season into the same universe as the prior 3.

 

[Chadstroma]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

 

[Psychopav]

I will agree that even if the goal is to bring in fresh eyes so to speak, the first thing I would expect that person to do is to get familiar with the context.

Reminds me a bit of the True Detective criticisms with the new season. But even she was very familiar with True Detective. And whether you think she achieve it or not, IMO she was making a concerted effort to put the new season into the same universe as the prior 3.

And yes, I did just quote myself.

Twice.

I need to go back and like my prior post now...

 

[Chadstroma]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

Again... you miss the point. Just like Kennedy.

 

[Chadstroma]

I will agree that even if the goal is to bring in fresh eyes so to speak, the first thing I would expect that person to do is to get familiar with the context.

Reminds me a bit of the True Detective criticisms with the new season. But even she was very familiar with True Detective. And whether you think she achieve it or not, IMO she was making a concerted effort to put the new season into the same universe as the prior 3.

And yes, I did just quote myself.

Twice.

I need to go back and like my prior post now...

I was just about to post.... did you just quote yourself? But you beat me to it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I will agree that even if the goal is to bring in fresh eyes so to speak, the first thing I would expect that person to do is to get familiar with the context.

Lol. I don't understand this criticism at all.

This is like having a team of engineers create a press release without consulting Communications because communications people don't understand how the product works.

Different perspectives obviously add no value.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

Again... you miss the point. Just like Kennedy.

Oh, I get your point

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I will agree that even if the goal is to bring in fresh eyes so to speak, the first thing I would expect that person to do is to get familiar with the context.

Reminds me a bit of the True Detective criticisms with the new season. But even she was very familiar with True Detective. And whether you think she achieve it or not, IMO she was making a concerted effort to put the new season into the same universe as the prior 3.

Writer in this instance is a glorified title. This is a QC person, effectively. She's not creating storylines.

 

[Chadstroma]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

Again... you miss the point. Just like Kennedy.

Oh, I get your point

And dismiss it for being racist, just like Kennedy... which means, you don't get the point.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

Again. I agree with you wrt Kennedy. I'm never going to defend her for any reason.

You're much closer to defending the -ists.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

You just have a problem with strong female characters.

Yep, that's it. Nailed it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

Again... you miss the point. Just like Kennedy.

Oh, I get your point

And dismiss it for being racist, just like Kennedy... which means, you don't get the point.

I didn't say your point was racist. I get what you're saying.

But, as George Lucas would say, it rhymes a little bit.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

Again... you miss the point. Just like Kennedy.

Oh, I get your point

And dismiss it for being racist, just like Kennedy... which means, you don't get the point.

I didn't say your point was racist. I get what you're saying.

But, as George Lucas would say, it rhymes a little bit.

If you bully people just a little harder, they'll let you sit at their lunch table.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

Make what I want you to make the way I want you to make it, but my criticisms have nothing to do with my pre-dispositions.

And I totally have a black friend!!!

Again... you miss the point. Just like Kennedy.

Oh, I get your point

And dismiss it for being racist, just like Kennedy... which means, you don't get the point.

I didn't say your point was racist. I get what you're saying.

But, as George Lucas would say, it rhymes a little bit.

If you bully people just a little harder, they'll let you sit at their lunch table.

Nah. I don't have the SW chops to sit with the really cool kids.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hey JJ Abrams wrecked Star Trek too.

"Hey look! A squirrel!"

 

[Chadstroma]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

Again. I agree with you wrt Kennedy. I'm never going to defend her for any reason.

You're much closer to defending the -ists.

Hell no.

You defend her direction of what she is doing with SW.

I do not and would never defend whatever ists.

And once more, this only shows that you do not get the point. I suspect it is much like Kennedy where you are more wrapped into other things that have nothing to do with SW than about SW itself.

 

[Chadstroma]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

You just have a problem with strong female characters.

Yep, that's it. Nailed it.

Seriously.... like Leia. Man, the hate for her was overwhelming, wasn't it?!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

Again. I agree with you wrt Kennedy. I'm never going to defend her for any reason.

You're much closer to defending the -ists.

Hell no.

You defend her direction of what she is doing with SW.

I do not and would never defend whatever ists.

And once more, this only shows that you do not get the point. I suspect it is much like Kennedy where you are more wrapped into other things that have nothing to do with SW than about SW itself.

I'm reserving overall judgment of The Acolyte until I've seen it all. I have plenty of criticisms of its content on a per-episode basis, which I've posted.

I just DGAF about all the noise that shouldn't matter. If that's defending the direction of the franchise, then OK. I'm a shill, obviously.

And fun fact: Andy Dufresne got me banned for being racist back in the day. So I have massive -ism cred.

 

[WVU Alum]

“All your Star Space and Trek Wars talk is super nerdy” - my wife anytime I am reading this thread.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

Again. I agree with you wrt Kennedy. I'm never going to defend her for any reason.

You're much closer to defending the -ists.

Hell no.

You defend her direction of what she is doing with SW.

I do not and would never defend whatever ists.

And once more, this only shows that you do not get the point. I suspect it is much like Kennedy where you are more wrapped into other things that have nothing to do with SW than about SW itself.

I'm reserving overall judgment of The Acolyte until I've seen it all. I have plenty of criticisms of its content on a per-episode basis, which I've posted.

I just DGAF about all the noise that shouldn't matter. If that's defending the direction of the franchise, then OK. I'm a shill, obviously.

And fun fact: Andy Dufresne got me banned for being racist back in the day. So I have massive -ism cred.

Said it before and I'll say it again - not my finest moment. I misunderstood the joke.

 

[TennesseeJed]

As protagonists of the Skywalker saga:

Rey Skywalker > Luke Skywalker > Anakin Skywalker

 

[Chadstroma]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

Again. I agree with you wrt Kennedy. I'm never going to defend her for any reason.

You're much closer to defending the -ists.

Hell no.

You defend her direction of what she is doing with SW.

I do not and would never defend whatever ists.

And once more, this only shows that you do not get the point. I suspect it is much like Kennedy where you are more wrapped into other things that have nothing to do with SW than about SW itself.

I'm reserving overall judgment of The Acolyte until I've seen it all. I have plenty of criticisms of its content on a per-episode basis, which I've posted.

I just DGAF about all the noise that shouldn't matter. If that's defending the direction of the franchise, then OK. I'm a shill, obviously.

And fun fact: Andy Dufresne got me banned for being racist back in the day. So I have massive -ism cred.

Said it before and I'll say it again - not my finest moment. I misunderstood the joke.

Did you do that to me too? I remember getting a time out for a joke that was actually anti racist but someone took it as racist.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

"Then all involved dismiss the reactions as being whatever 'ist' they can label them with."
-Chad

"The loud voices on social media platforms drive this type of response. They aren't being invented."
-Bob

It was really meant to be nothing more than this.

But the point is that Kennedy and Disney in general do not care to even dig into it.... they dismiss it out of hand because they are the good guys and the complaints are from the bad guys. And they move on and produce more of the same and wonder why the franchise is not flourishing but waning. SW is the biggest gold mine there is but Disney is getting more and more rocks and than gold and wondering why.... they don't bother to ask the miners what the problem is because they are dumb scum laborers.

Again. I agree with you wrt Kennedy. I'm never going to defend her for any reason.

You're much closer to defending the -ists.

Hell no.

You defend her direction of what she is doing with SW.

I do not and would never defend whatever ists.

And once more, this only shows that you do not get the point. I suspect it is much like Kennedy where you are more wrapped into other things that have nothing to do with SW than about SW itself.

I'm reserving overall judgment of The Acolyte until I've seen it all. I have plenty of criticisms of its content on a per-episode basis, which I've posted.

I just DGAF about all the noise that shouldn't matter. If that's defending the direction of the franchise, then OK. I'm a shill, obviously.

And fun fact: Andy Dufresne got me banned for being racist back in the day. So I have massive -ism cred.

Said it before and I'll say it again - not my finest moment. I misunderstood the joke.

Did you do that to me too? I remember getting a time out for a joke that was actually anti racist but someone took it as racist.

No that wouldn't have been me. Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice... You can't get fooled again.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And have you read anything on X or watched anything on YouTube? Nobody is inventing complaints. There are people complaining a lot just because of diverse casts.

Sure but isn't this a bit of a straw man? Surely you aren't saying that just because a racist doesn't like something therefore the thing must be good.

No, but nor is the assumption that people vocally panning something they haven't seen are doing so for reasons other than quality.

And, as with most things, the loudest voices are going to drive the interpretations of those actions.

You know.... I think there is a certain amount of tiredness of the check box approach to casting and filling behind the camera roles. It doesn't mean that they are whatever 'ist' it is but it could be that people are tired of it. Over and over again, the goal is to deliver the first ever blah blah blah to be a director or showrunner or leading actor and then we have to make sure we have someone who is this and someone who is that and someone that checks this box off.... sure, there are some people who also wrap their whole identity and lives into all of that and applaud it. But for most people, both those who are apolitical or 'moderate' as well as moving more to the right of the spectrum, are just tired of the transparent pandering of it all. What it tells the fanbase that doesn't get excited and say "so stunning, so brave!" there are many who are just like "really?" and roll their eyes. Sure, some are actually the 'ist' that all involved say that all the fanbase that doesn't like their work is but that is a real over reaction and it keeps them blind to the real criticism. They can lie to themselves, like Kennedy does, that they really did a good job and it is just these 'ists' that hate it and we can ignore them because they are scum anyways. But I think the main thing that most of the fanbase that is not on board with all of that is that is reeks of them being more concerned with all that social and political agendas and not about getting the best people to create the best content in a universe that these fans truly love and care about. When you do that then you don't hear racist comments about Lando, Mace, or Saw but when there is criticism of Reva.... oh well, it is just racists. That makes no sense at all. A racist is a racist they are not going to love these other characters and then all of a sudden remember they are racist on others.

You just have a problem with strong female characters.

Yep, that's it. Nailed it.

Seriously.... like Leia. Man, the hate for her was overwhelming, wasn't it?!

Was she one?

Whole first movie was her being rescued by men. Then Han has to rescue her from Hoth. Lando from Cloud City. Was enslaved and slutted up. Even when she had hand, she couldn't save her friends, and it took Luke and 3PO to keep the Muppets from having Kentucky Fried Chewie.

Besides, everyone knows the focus of the OT was how the white man keeps the brother man down, even in a galaxy far, far away.

 

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Don't use SW to tell your own personal social or political agenda.

Uhhhh have you ever actually seen a Star Wars movie before