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(Reuters) - J.P.Morgan cut its price target on Tesla's stock as the brokerage expects a second straight year of lower deliveries, with analysts also pointing to a change in sentiment toward the EV maker from existing customers and potential new buyers.

There have been reactions toward the brand such as protests at Tesla stores across the U.S. and around the world, sales boycotts, and jettisoning already purchased vehicles in the second-hand market, the brokerage said.


J.P.Morgan also cut its price target on the electric-vehicle maker's shares to $120 from $135. The median target for the stock is $370, according to LSEG data.

The brokerage said it expects Tesla to deliver about 1.78 million vehicles this year, down about 1% from 2024.

Recently, activists have staged so-called "Tesla Takedown" protests to express their displeasure at Elon Musk's involvement in significant reductions to the U.S. federal workforce and the cancellation of contracts funding global humanitarian efforts.

Musk, currently the world's wealthiest person, is leading the Trump administration's Department of Government Efficiency.

In a show of support for the EV maker's CEO Musk, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that violence against Tesla dealerships will be labeled domestic terrorism.

Tesla's shares have slumped after hitting an all-time high in December, erasing most of the gains the stock made after Trump won the U.S. election in November.

The stock has gained 10% since Monday's 15.4% slump, its worst one-day drop in four-and-a-half years.
 
Like most everyone has said, stay invested in stocks long term and use these dips to buy. Already up 8% on the Nvadia discounted two days ago.
The problem with the "buy the dip" approach is that only works in an uptrend.

At the market level at least, the S&P has closed the last three days below its 200 DMA.

So buying the dip now could just as easily become "catching a falling knife" if the pattern doesn't reverse fairly soon
Next year when my AMD shares are at $200 it will be more important that I added them rather than if I got them at $80, $90, or $100.

Buy the dip always works because the market is on a permanent uptrend.
Buy the dip is by definition a timing strategy.

So if the counterargument is "because the market is always trending up," then there is no basis for doing anything other than simply investing when you can deploy the capital.

Buying on momentum would work just as well as buying the dip because no one ever knows where the bottom or top of a trading range is going to be

What matters is holding long-term
 
Like most everyone has said, stay invested in stocks long term and use these dips to buy. Already up 8% on the Nvadia discounted two days ago.
The problem with the "buy the dip" approach is that only works in an uptrend.

At the market level at least, the S&P has closed the last three days below its 200 DMA.

So buying the dip now could just as easily become "catching a falling knife" if the pattern doesn't reverse fairly soon
I always thought a falling knife was more about chasing laggard stocks than the market as a whole.
It means buying assets after a rapid fall in price prior to those assets finding firm support underneath
 
Like most everyone has said, stay invested in stocks long term and use these dips to buy. Already up 8% on the Nvadia discounted two days ago.
The problem with the "buy the dip" approach is that only works in an uptrend.

At the market level at least, the S&P has closed the last three days below its 200 DMA.

So buying the dip now could just as easily become "catching a falling knife" if the pattern doesn't reverse fairly soon
Next year when my AMD shares are at $200 it will be more important that I added them rather than if I got them at $80, $90, or $100.

Buy the dip always works because the market is on a permanent uptrend.
Buy the dip is by definition a timing strategy.

So if the counterargument is "because the market is always trending up," then there is no basis for doing anything other than simply investing when you can deploy the capital.

Buying on momentum would work just as well as buying the dip because no one ever knows where the bottom or top of a trading range is going to be

What matters is holding long-term
I agree for the most part. I think most of the pros like @Todem and even other guys like Buffet tend to take profits on exuberance and buy when things are on sale. The timing strategy is used on 5-35% of the portfolio with the rest being long.
 
I’ll admit I time some but it’s mostly risk tolerance for me. I’m never more than 65-70% stocks and never lower than 40-45% based on how expensive things are and how bullish/bearish the market in general is. I lose some on the way up but it keeps me in the market on the way down. I’ve been buying quite a bit the last couple days, I was on the lighter side of my range.
 
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Anything above 5% is considered high and I think we could easily see and surpass that.
Long term average U3 unemployment is 5.6%. We've been spoiled lately.
We’ll see. I’m certainly no doom and gloomer by any means. I think we are going through some temporary turmoil in order to get to a place that is far better for the markets and economy. The thing that I don’t like or trust about the numbers is that a lot of them (consumer spending, unemployment..etc) are lagging indicators. Being in close proximity to markets that are directly tied to discretionary income and spending (jewelry in LA/Cali—which along with New York is the jewelry hub of the United States) and Vegas—I can tell you that peoples spending habits are changing. Major airlines have already announced that they are reducing capacity, and there are reports that indicate that international flights to the United States have seen a decline of up to 22%. The 75k+ government employees that accepted the ability to walk away from their jobs are getting paid until August—so they won’t be reflected on any job reports until then. With all of this said—I do want to make completely clear my position. I am very bullish on our economy somewhere in the mid to long term. I just believe that we have been spoiled with a market that has been largely propelled and held up by government spending, government action, a lot of momentum, and a lot of promise and spending into artificial intelligence . I think that in the next few months, we will temporarily see how our markets will look without a lot of these things going for it.
 
From Henrik Zeberg...

He feels the pullback will end in the next 10 days or so, then due to all the liquidity the final blow off the top run will start ending in the worst recession since 1929

Great video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_TBttTftZM Well worth the 54 minute listen

I've been following Henrik for around 4 years and he's always been spot on

Single/Double & Triple ETF;s vs. the index's for the ride up and the crash...

S&P 500 Longs
————————
$SPY 1X Long
SPUU 2X Long
$SPXL 3X Long

S&P 500 Shorts
————————
$SPYD 1X Short
$SDS 2X Short
$SPXU 3X Short

NASDAQ Longs
————————
$QQQ (1X Long)
$QLD (2X Long)
$TQQQ (3X Long)

NASDAQ Shorts
————————
$PSQ. (1X Short)
$QID ( 2X Short)
$SQQQ (3X Short)

DOW Jones Longs
————————-
$SPDR (1X Long)
$DDM (2X Long)
$UDOW 3X Long)

DOW Jones Shorts
—————————
$DOG (1X Short)
$DXD (2X Short)
$SDOW (3X Short)
 
Joe Kiernan on CNBC arguing with Andrew RS, claiming no negative effects of carbon emissions. I don't know why I bother. Kiernan is terrible--cannot believe he is still employed.

As per the prior poster, an exhaustion to this recent sell-off followed by a quick uptick and then a recession sounds about right to me. The timing is impossible to know. I'm not seeing a recession to challenge 2008, though, where half the value evaporated.
 
From Henrik Zeberg...

He feels the pullback will end in the next 10 days or so, then due to all the liquidity the final blow off the top run will start ending in the worst recession since 1929

Great video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_TBttTftZM Well worth the 54 minute listen

I've been following Henrik for around 4 years and he's always been spot on

Single/Double & Triple ETF;s vs. the index's for the ride up and the crash...

S&P 500 Longs
————————
$SPY 1X Long
SPUU 2X Long
$SPXL 3X Long

S&P 500 Shorts
————————
$SPYD 1X Short
$SDS 2X Short
$SPXU 3X Short

NASDAQ Longs
————————
$QQQ (1X Long)
$QLD (2X Long)
$TQQQ (3X Long)

NASDAQ Shorts
————————
$PSQ. (1X Short)
$QID ( 2X Short)
$SQQQ (3X Short)

DOW Jones Longs
————————-
$SPDR (1X Long)
$DDM (2X Long)
$UDOW 3X Long)

DOW Jones Shorts
—————————
$DOG (1X Short)
$DXD (2X Short)
$SDOW (3X Short)

In a rapidly declining market the 3x funds could just just go to 0 on both sides. New 3x funds are no longer allowed. They get insurance for a black swan event but those insurance companies can go insolvent as well leaving everyone bag holding.
 
From Henrik Zeberg...

He feels the pullback will end in the next 10 days or so, then due to all the liquidity the final blow off the top run will start ending in the worst recession since 1929

Great video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_TBttTftZM Well worth the 54 minute listen

I've been following Henrik for around 4 years and he's always been spot on

Single/Double & Triple ETF;s vs. the index's for the ride up and the crash...

S&P 500 Longs
————————
$SPY 1X Long
SPUU 2X Long
$SPXL 3X Long

S&P 500 Shorts
————————
$SPYD 1X Short
$SDS 2X Short
$SPXU 3X Short

NASDAQ Longs
————————
$QQQ (1X Long)
$QLD (2X Long)
$TQQQ (3X Long)

NASDAQ Shorts
————————
$PSQ. (1X Short)
$QID ( 2X Short)
$SQQQ (3X Short)

DOW Jones Longs
————————-
$SPDR (1X Long)
$DDM (2X Long)
$UDOW 3X Long)

DOW Jones Shorts
—————————
$DOG (1X Short)
$DXD (2X Short)
$SDOW (3X Short)
Seems like he's constantly predicting a blow off top and the worst recession since 1929 and just keeps pushing back the timing


At some point he will probably be right.
 
Vix already casting a shadow on 20 again. I just don't understand what volatility means anymore
Can you expound? What do you mean by casting a shadow? Sorry, I should know this, I'm sure, but I'm missing your point.
Casting a shadow means just "getting close".

VIX is a measure of stock market volatility and can be a buy and sell signal for certain momentum investors. You can trade the VIX with options because of course options on an index of options is a thing that people do.
 
Vix already casting a shadow on 20 again. I just don't understand what volatility means anymore
Can you expound? What do you mean by casting a shadow? Sorry, I should know this, I'm sure, but I'm missing your point.
Casting a shadow means just "getting close".

VIX is a measure of stock market volatility and can be a buy and sell signal for certain momentum investors. You can trade the VIX with options because of course options on an index of options is a thing that people do.
I've always thought the VIX should be called the negativity index, not the volatility index. It goes up on down days and down on up days.
 
Vix already casting a shadow on 20 again. I just don't understand what volatility means anymore
Can you expound? What do you mean by casting a shadow? Sorry, I should know this, I'm sure, but I'm missing your point.
Casting a shadow means just "getting close".

VIX is a measure of stock market volatility and can be a buy and sell signal for certain momentum investors. You can trade the VIX with options because of course options on an index of options is a thing that people do.
Yeah - maybe it's just me but 20-25 on the VIX is a bit high, but not meltdown high. We hit 65 or so during the COVID panic.

I've thought about buying VIXY when the VIX was hovering in the 13 range, but never did as those ETFs decay. And we hovered at 13 for a loooong time, as it turns out.
 
Our plucky little tin miner is getting tossed about on savage seas beyond its control. I'm sizing another buy, but spare a thought for our hero GM, who holds a grip.
 
Yeah, this is awful. M23 rebels are 5 days away from the tin mine. All operations shut down for safety. Insiders hoping peace talks soon will help but right now, this is just mayhem. Assuming the rebels reach the mine, they'll be able to steal some diesel fuel, maybe some food and equipment, but they aren't going to lug around tin concentrate. This isn't gold, which is something they ARE after.

But right now, this is just painful.
 
i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
 
i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
That is the risk of Musk becoming so political. No matter your personal politics in this day and age of such sharply divided politics in this country it is smart to try and stay out of politics when running your business. A reverse example of this Anheuser-Busch InBev got hammered over their commercials in 23.
 
i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
That is the risk of Musk becoming so political. No matter your personal politics in this day and age of such sharply divided politics in this country it is smart to try and stay out of politics when running your business. A reverse example of this Anheuser-Busch InBev got hammered over their commercials in 23.

I do give him credit for taking stances that would obviously alienate his customer base. I'm not sure it's smart from a business perspective (it's not) but there's some nobility in it. With that said he should go back to what he does best, innovate, and stay out of politics. He's far too important to the world to waste his time like this - and he's not very good at politics (in his presentation not necessarily in his political beliefs).
 
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i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
That is the risk of Musk becoming so political. No matter your personal politics in this day and age of such sharply divided politics in this country it is smart to try and stay out of politics when running your business. A reverse example of this Anheuser-Busch InBev got hammered over their commercials in 23.

I do give him credit for taking stances that would obviously alienate his customer base. I'm not sure it's smart from a business perspective (it's not) but there's some nobility in it. With that said he should go back to what he does best, innovate, and stay out of politics. He's far too important to the world to waste his time like this - and he's not very good at politics.
He is doing the U.S. a favor IMO. Wish more smart folks would be as gracious.
 
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i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
That is the risk of Musk becoming so political. No matter your personal politics in this day and age of such sharply divided politics in this country it is smart to try and stay out of politics when running your business. A reverse example of this Anheuser-Busch InBev got hammered over their commercials in 23.

I do give him credit for taking stances that would obviously alienate his customer base. I'm not sure it's smart from a business perspective (it's not) but there's some nobility in it. With that said he should go back to what he does best, innovate, and stay out of politics. He's far too important to the world to waste his time like this - and he's not very good at politics.
Maybe also reproduce more. He seems to find time for that... :p
 
i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
I drive a Rivian. Had a convenience store clerk say cool ride and it's not one of those Nazi trucks.
 
Vix already casting a shadow on 20 again. I just don't understand what volatility means anymore
Can you expound? What do you mean by casting a shadow? Sorry, I should know this, I'm sure, but I'm missing your point.
Casting a shadow means just "getting close".

VIX is a measure of stock market volatility and can be a buy and sell signal for certain momentum investors. You can trade the VIX with options because of course options on an index of options is a thing that people do.
I've always thought the VIX should be called the negativity index, not the volatility index. It goes up on down days and down on up days.
It’s the “Don’t Pass” line at the craps table.
 
Seems like he's constantly predicting a blow off top and the worst recession since 1929 and just keeps pushing back the timing


At some point he will probably be right.
To his credit from the start he's always said it's a moving target. Election results, Fed moves, on again off again tariffs etc.
 
Vix already casting a shadow on 20 again. I just don't understand what volatility means anymore
Can you expound? What do you mean by casting a shadow? Sorry, I should know this, I'm sure, but I'm missing your point.
Casting a shadow means just "getting close".

VIX is a measure of stock market volatility and can be a buy and sell signal for certain momentum investors. You can trade the VIX with options because of course options on an index of options is a thing that people do.
I've always thought the VIX should be called the negativity index, not the volatility index. It goes up on down days and down on up days.
It’s the “Don’t Pass” line at the craps table.
Hmmm... I do like playing dark side. Maybe I should get into VIX
 
i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
I drive a Rivian. Had a convenience store clerk say cool ride and it's not one of those

i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans
I drive a Rivian. Had a convenience store clerk say cool ride and it's not one of those Nazi trucks.
At least he didn't say Nazi garbage trucks.:laugh:
 
Wound up buying 1700 more shares of AFMJF at 33 cents, lowering my cost basis about 10% and bringing my total to 7K. With today's volume 11x average, I think everyone who was going to panic already did.
 
Vix already casting a shadow on 20 again. I just don't understand what volatility means anymore
Can you expound? What do you mean by casting a shadow? Sorry, I should know this, I'm sure, but I'm missing your point.
Casting a shadow means just "getting close".

VIX is a measure of stock market volatility and can be a buy and sell signal for certain momentum investors. You can trade the VIX with options because of course options on an index of options is a thing that people do.
I've always thought the VIX should be called the negativity index, not the volatility index. It goes up on down days and down on up days.
It’s the “Don’t Pass” line at the craps table.
Hmmm... I do like playing dark side. Maybe I should get into VIX
Don't.
 
Wound up buying 1700 more shares of AFMJF at 33 cents, lowering my cost basis about 10% and bringing my total to 7K. With today's volume 11x average, I think everyone who was going to panic already did.

Wait is this the same stock that is about to have it's operation run over by militants?
 
i was talking to a woman last night who is very conservative and she bought a tesla a few years back she said that all of her conservative friends at the time gave her crap and called her a hippy yadda yadda now she says she is being flipped off and called a nazi by people she suspects are liberals she said she is getting rid of it and just wants to not be associated with tesla anymore and i suppose that is what a lot of people are thinking regardless of thier political affilitation i mean who wants a swastika painted on thier car take that to the bank brohans

Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer

So what...

It's a car

Intelligence and protesting don't go hand-in-hand

Mostly
 

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