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Study says the later you are born the less important you feel it is to live in a democracy. (1 Viewer)

:shrug:   Collective memory getting further and further away from the alternative? (i.e WW2 era fascism and especially the boogeyman of Soviet bloc Communism)

 
Uwe Blab said:
:shrug:   Collective memory getting further and further away from the alternative? (i.e WW2 era fascism and especially the boogeyman of Soviet bloc Communism)
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Kind of what I was thinking.  I wouldn't think that those voting were thinking more in line with socialism - but just don't know.  

I haven't tried to find more about the study yet - will follow up.  

 
Binky The Doormat said:
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Weird results.  Clearly, if you were born after the 60s you are significantly less fond of living in a democracy.  Found this off a twitter post - the guy claimed to be a democracy expert.  

William Easterly ‏@bill_easterly  4h4 hours ago
As a democracy expert, I have no frigging clue why this is happening
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I don't know man.  How "essential" is it?  As "democracy expert" William easterly surly knows, women haven't even been able to vote for a century now (next election will make it 100 years).  We were kinda doing okay before then.  I mean, just because elections are held, doesn't mean everybody has a say.  I think it's preferable.  But essential? 

 
People are sick of getting scrooged by the rich in a capitalistic society. Wealth keeps traveling up to the rich in capitalism, so it makes sense that the graphs would have more dissatisfied (poor) people as each decade passes by.  

 
Liberals have poisoned the children of this nation that living under a brutal dictator is all good. Go look at the Castro thread. They actually believe the people of Cuba are highly education and receive the best medical treatment. People these days have no idea how brutal some regimes can and have been. 

Sad really.

 
Or with communication improvements, people become more aware that their neighbors are idiots and shouldn't be allowed out of their houses, let alone vote.

 
Dexter said:
Liberals have poisoned the children of this nation that living under a brutal dictator is all good. Go look at the Castro thread. They actually believe the people of Cuba are highly education and receive the best medical treatment. People these days have no idea how brutal some regimes can and have been. 

Sad really.
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As the most liberal FBG I call B.S. on that.  In this Era of the Trump, are you guys gonna just keep making up facts?  Just curious.

 
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Walking Boot said:
Personally, I agree it's not really necessary to live in a formal democracy. I think people should be free to live under whatever system they want. Government comes from the consent of the governed. As long as certain basic human rights are respected, I say let 'em be. If people want to live in a theocracy, as long as the rights of the non-believers in the state religion are respected, in theory, I'm not against it. If Quebec or Basque wants to form their own country, I think we should support it. I'd be fine with the US supporting a muslim state that had protections for non-muslims. I think just about any separatist movement, (short of the Confederacy, for example) I'd support.
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So what you're saying is you have no idea how governments actually work.  :confused:

 
PIK95 said:
As the nost liberal FBG I call B.S. on that.
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Just calling a spade a spade, brotha! When major cucks like Justin Trudeau are praising Castro liberalism has gone too far. When liberal fake news stations (CNN) are sad Castro is dead. Well that pretty much says it all. Liberalism is a mental disorder that actively seeks repression and violence towards those with different beliefs.So I can see why they hate democracy. 

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
They're not teaching civics, the Constitutions or history in schools, here or abroad. It's really that simple.
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Dexter said:
Liberals have poisoned the children of this nation that living under a brutal dictator is all good. Go look at the Castro thread. They actually believe the people of Cuba are highly education and receive the best medical treatment. People these days have no idea how brutal some regimes can and have been. 

Sad really.
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You guys trying to out-stupid each other?

 
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Dexter said:
Just calling a spade a spade, brotha! When major cucks like Justin Trudeau are praising Castro liberalism has gone too far. When liberal fake news stations (CNN) are sad Castro is dead. Well that pretty much says it all. Liberalism is a mental disorder that actively seeks repression and violence towards those with different beliefs.So I can see why they hate democracy. 
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You're either a troll or you're nuts. I'm hoping troll.

 
cockroach said:
I don't know man.  How "essential" is it?  As "democracy expert" William easterly surly knows, women haven't even been able to vote for a century now (next election will make it 100 years).  We were kinda doing okay before then.  I mean, just because elections are held, doesn't mean everybody has a say.  I think it's preferable.  But essential? 
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This is up for debate here in the FFA?

Well that's not encouraging.

 
Uwe Blab said:
:shrug:   Collective memory getting further and further away from the alternative? (i.e WW2 era fascism and especially the boogeyman of Soviet bloc Communism)
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Communism wasn't a boogeyman for Europe, that was real and horrible.

The collective memory makes sense but that's where education comes in.

 
OrtonToOlsen said:
Civics, history, and govt are still being taught....the same as they were 30-40-50 years ago.
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Ha good lord I didn't mean they weren't teaching them at all, I meant they weren't being sufficiently taught. The theory being younger people don't believe in democracy as much because they are being properly taught The How and the Why of it. I admit that might be too simplistic or not even true.

So if not then what is the reason for the graph in the OP?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
They're not teaching civics, the Constitutions or history in schools, here or abroad. It's really that simple.
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You realize both Aristotle and Plato don't really favor democracy, right? Or that our constitution doesn't really set up a direct democracy?

I mean, democracy is a good form a government for a country our size, but it has some real serious flaws (i.e. majority rule) that probably make it a less than ideal form of government. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ha good lord I didn't mean they weren't teaching them at all, I meant they weren't being sufficiently taught. The theory being younger people don't believe in democracy as much because they are being properly taught The How and the Why of it. I admit that might be too simplistic or not even true.

So if not then what is the reason for the graph in the OP?
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The cold war and McCarthyism are long gone. :shrug:

 
Zow said:
You realize both Aristotle and Plato don't really favor democracy, right? Or that our constitution doesn't really set up a direct democracy?

I mean, democracy is a good form a government for a country our size, but it has some real serious flaws (i.e. majority rule) that probably make it a less than ideal form of government. 
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I think the key here is whether democracy is "essential." If it's not that implies something else could function just as well and suggests a willingness to accept a different form of government. 

I could see how the younger you are the less passionate one is about such things so maybe the belief in democracy will grow as this generation grows older.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I think the key here is whether democracy is "essential." If it's not that implies something else could function just as well and suggests a willingness to accept a different form of government. 

I could see how the younger you are the less passionate one is about such things so maybe the belief in democracy will grow as this generation grows older.
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Well, as a guy who has a major in political science and a doctorate in law who has been educated on civics, the US constitution, and history at what I would consider great length, I would argue that democracy isn't essential and take your sentiment one step further and say that there are other forms of government that, in a vaccuum, function better than democracy. 

I don't think the issue is at all that these subjects aren't being taught.  It's just that they're being taught differently than when schools had nuclear bomb drills on the regular. 

 
Am I the only one that thinks the thread title was worded oddly?  Wouldn't it be easier to say the younger you are rather than the later you are born?

 
Zow said:
Well, as a guy who has a major in political science and a doctorate in law who has been educated on civics, the US constitution, and history at what I would consider great length, I would argue that democracy isn't essential and take your sentiment one step further and say that there are other forms of government that, in a vaccuum, function better than democracy. 

I don't think the issue is at all that these subjects aren't being taught.  It's just that they're being taught differently than when schools had nuclear bomb drills on the regular. 
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Well then I think you're granting too much sophistication to the typical responder though. You may be making Jesuitical distinctions between pure democracy and republicanism which they are not, if I take you correctly.

I think the 50s example is not really the standard either.  If the study is valid it would be interesting to see if there is a correlation with understanding of key historical events which underlie the need for democracy.

 
Zow said:
Well, as a guy who has a major in political science and a doctorate in law who has been educated on civics, the US constitution, and history at what I would consider great length, I would argue that democracy isn't essential and take your sentiment one step further and say that there are other forms of government that, in a vaccuum, function better than democracy. 

I don't think the issue is at all that these subjects aren't being taught.  It's just that they're being taught differently than when schools had nuclear bomb drills on the regular. 
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In things like this, I usually interpret Democracy as a euphemism for some sort of representative form of government. I figure that's the case here, as the nations included have different forms of national government. Thus the question may be more like, "Is it essential to live in a country that has representative government?" Then you can get into what essential means too...

 
Uwe Blab said:
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This is absolutely the right answer. 

 
 Drop a younger person from the US into Saudi Arabia or hell, Russia and show them what a far less open society looks like.

 
Complacency is a #####.

In addition to the aforementioned lack of direct memory of WWII and other major crisis, you have three generations now (Gen X, Y / Millennials & Z) of and/or coming into adulthood who were born after the Civil Rights movement.  We still have huge racial issues, but #### - blacks were literally not allowed to vote, by law.  I mean, that's crazy.  

As I noted in the autonomous future thread, we are on an 80 year cycle here in the US, ranging from the recent period of significant stagnation and lack of change to the expected oncoming far more turbulent period, which coincides along this 80 year cycle with a desire for more societal order (aka, strongman gov't). When you lose respect for institutions, when power appears to be more diffuse as is the case today, there is a natural draw back to "law and order" governance - and therefore away from democracy toward an oligarchy (let's hope it doesn't even get that bad, but who knows honestly, history is littered with great societies that totally ####ed themselves up - and sometimes, with a quickness.

You know, like what happened just before most of us who are still living could remember (more prescient for me, personally, as I have no family on my mothers side as they were killed in the Holocaust, so while I was born 30 years after it ended, my life was still shaped by it)

 
Zow said:
Well, as a guy who has a major in political science and a doctorate in law who has been educated on civics, the US constitution, and history at what I would consider great length, I would argue that democracy isn't essential and take your sentiment one step further and say that there are other forms of government that, in a vaccuum, function better than democracy. 

I don't think the issue is at all that these subjects aren't being taught.  It's just that they're being taught differently than when schools had nuclear bomb drills on the regular. 
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Since we don't live in a vacuum, it's ridiculous to compare political systems in one. That's the entire reason we have the system of government that we have and the economy that we have.

 
Binky The Doormat said:
Kind of what I was thinking. I wouldn't think that those voting were thinking more in line with socialism - but just don't know.  

I haven't tried to find more about the study yet - will follow up.  
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I would very much argue this. And it's not just an American trend. It's a global millennial trend.

 
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i agree that the use of the word essential is a little odd.  

Preferable?  The best system?  Those would probably getting better responses.  (Though snarky churchill wannabes would likely the top response).

 
Binky The Doormat said:
Study chart

Weird results.  Clearly, if you were born after the 60s you are significantly less fond of living in a democracy.  Found this off a twitter post - the guy claimed to be a democracy expert.  

William Easterly ‏@bill_easterly  4h4 hours ago
As a democracy expert, I have no frigging clue why this is happening
What do we make of this?
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what do you mean less fond?  The question asks if it is "essential"

 
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