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Just caught up in this season. Got to admit was a bit confused as I forgot some names and some of the various back stories.

But last two episodes were both fantastic. That Karaoke scene and Roman that whole night was killing me and then this last episode. So great and such a good way to handle what we all knew was going to happen. Love that we now get a bunch of episodes to handle the aftermath.
 
He's dead.
Yeah I'm kind of shocked by the timing and how it was handled on the show - so my first thought was this is some kind of a "set-up" and Logan is still alive. Then I thought this show is was too good to pull a stunt like that. I'm surprised it happened so early in the season, but he has to be dead or the show will jump the shark.
 
Just caught up in this season. Got to admit was a bit confused as I forgot some names and some of the various back stories.

But last two episodes were both fantastic. That Karaoke scene and Roman that whole night was killing me and then this last episode. So great and such a good way to handle what we all knew was going to happen. Love that we now get a bunch of episodes to handle the aftermath.

Still think the Prague episode where they go to the “Rhomboid” was the best episode for his one liners. Love that one.
 
Knowing that this is the final season, the timing seems right. Now they get to actually have some episodes about the "Succession". Logan was a good character to hate, but felt he could've been offed earlier. The kids vs. dad was kinda played out to me.
 
Knowing that this is the final season, the timing seems right. Now they get to actually have some episodes about the "Succession". Logan was a good character to hate, but felt he could've been offed earlier. The kids vs. dad was kinda played out to me.
Yeah, I can't claim I saw his death coming when it did, but I did have a feeling that this confrontation over Pierce and the Gojo deal wasn't going to end with the kids getting screwed once again. (I mean, long-term the kids will get screwed by someone else because they're born screw-ups, but I didn't think we'd see a repeat of the S3 finale).
 
While I recognize it was a good episode, I got pretty bored about halfway through. I think it's probably a product of my not actually liking any of the characters - again, recognizing that there are some really good characters, but no one I like and root for. Since I'm not really emotionally invested, a episode like this which would usually evoke emotions falls pretty flat on that front for me.
 
While I recognize it was a good episode, I got pretty bored about halfway through. I think it's probably a product of my not actually liking any of the characters - again, recognizing that there are some really good characters, but no one I like and root for. Since I'm not really emotionally invested, a episode like this which would usually evoke emotions falls pretty flat on that front for me.
Yeah. I have always felt this piece holds it back a bit and, for me, puts it solidly behind great episodes from other shows in the past year like "Plan and Execution" and "The Lord of the Tides". I'm not going to jump on anyone for loving it though. Extremely well-done episode.

My thoughts the last half of the episode were more about where the chess pieces move than the emotional side of it because they are just all pretty contemptable characters. It was such a fantastic decision to kill off Logan early enough that we get to see the whole fight shake out instead of watching him best his children yet again.

Like him or not, I'm really enjoying Tom right now and pulling for him in the chaos. That character has just been so well written and acted. Loved the bit in the VF piece about how they initially were not planning on giving him as much screen time in the episode.
 
We like to watch Succession as a family. My wife was traveling on Sunday night for work, so we had to wait until she got back to watch it together. On Sunday night I was looking at my Google News feed, and off to the side I saw, "OBITUARY: LOGAN ROY (1938-2023.)" The episode had literally aired just a few hours earlier and people were already including spoilers in headlines! Man, I was pissed. So the episode wasn't as impactful since I already knew what was going to happen.

Of course, my wife -- whose travel schedule was the whole reason we waited to watch it -- fell asleep halfway through the episode.
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show

Definitely. I do love many characters - so that's what encourages me. And yet, Logan is certainly one of the most compelling characters in the modern era.
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show

Definitely. I do love many characters - so that's what encourages me. And yet, Logan is certainly one of the most compelling characters in the modern era.


I think Logan got what he wanted. His kids working together to run his company. They have really come together instead of being separate entities like the beginning of the show.
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show
Hopefully ghost Logan comes back to mentor Romulous.
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show

Definitely. I do love many characters - so that's what encourages me. And yet, Logan is certainly one of the most compelling characters in the modern era.


I think Logan got what he wanted. His kids working together to run his company. They have really come together instead of being separate entities like the beginning of the show.

I imagine this kumbaya moment will last about 36 seconds into next week’s episode.
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show

Definitely. I do love many characters - so that's what encourages me. And yet, Logan is certainly one of the most compelling characters in the modern era.


I think Logan got what he wanted. His kids working together to run his company. They have really come together instead of being separate entities like the beginning of the show.

I imagine this kumbaya moment will last about 36 seconds into next week’s episode.
I think there will be a couple of episodes of the kids vs Tom and the old guard, after which the kids will splinter and fight for the throne
 
I figured Logan's death was inevitable - and I'm sure these actors and writers will finish this series strong. But I sure don't like the prospect of 6 episodes sans my favorite character.

i agree. he was the best part of the show. but its been so good im sure they have some good stuff planned for this last part of the show

Definitely. I do love many characters - so that's what encourages me. And yet, Logan is certainly one of the most compelling characters in the modern era.


I think Logan got what he wanted. His kids working together to run his company. They have really come together instead of being separate entities like the beginning of the show.

I imagine this kumbaya moment will last about 36 seconds into next week’s episode.

Oh, definitely. Connor isn't in the race, but Kendall, Shiv, and Romulus all want the throne. It may be a bloodbath.
 
The kids will ruin the empire and it will be all Logan's fault for being a horrible dad and raising a bunch of idiots. Even the other people surrounding him are morons.
Can't wait to see it all unfold.
 
Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
 
Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
It absolutely is not terrible acting lmao. You might not like the show but it’s some of the best acting we’ve ever seen.
 
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Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
You hate them because the acting is so good.
 
Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
I'm not sure why you'd continue fighting through it at this point. It doesn't get better, or substantially different style-wise, from this point forward.

If you don't like the show's style or the actors, probably best to just chalk it up as 'not your thing' and move on.
 
We like to watch Succession as a family. My wife was traveling on Sunday night for work, so we had to wait until she got back to watch it together. On Sunday night I was looking at my Google News feed, and off to the side I saw, "OBITUARY: LOGAN ROY (1938-2023.)" The episode had literally aired just a few hours earlier and people were already including spoilers in headlines! Man, I was pissed. So the episode wasn't as impactful since I already knew what was going to happen.

Of course, my wife -- whose travel schedule was the whole reason we waited to watch it -- fell asleep halfway through the episode.

This was EXACTLY what I was talking about. (Might be behind paywall.)


Logan Roy had been dead for only about an hour when his first obituary hit social media, sparking delight from some readers, and anger in others.

The demise of Roy, the fictional 84-year-old media mogul at the center of the HBO drama "Succession,” is the most consequential plot development of the critically lauded series now in its fourth and final season, and tees up the question inherent in the show’s title: Who succeeds him?

But many fans complained the show’s shocking moment was ruined before they could watch the episode — even despite their best efforts to avoid social media spoilers — due to headlines and other content that popped into their news feeds. The Los Angeles Times, for instance, published a real obituary of the fictional character as soon as the episode’s initial broadcast ended. Entertainment outlet Vulture published its own obit, and tweeted a black-and-white “RIP” photo of the character the morning after the episode aired.
 
Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
Keep us posted
 
Kendall’s name was clearly crossed out.

The defining moment of the entire show was Logan telling Ken he wasn’t a killer. That he didn’t think he could’ve made it as CEO. That flipped the switch and allowed Ken to let go of trying get his dad’s approval.

With nothing left to lose, he became a killer. But the ironic thing, is that he’s still chasing daddy’s approval trying to be a killer. Cold move killing the old man after he is dead.
 


I think Logan got what he wanted. His kids working together to run his company. They have really come together instead of being separate entities like the beginning of the show.


Logan Roy only wanted to control his children. Whatever it cost him to do that, then that's what he would pay to get it done.

The "right" successor to Waystar Royco was shown in the pilot episode - Lawrence Yee of Vaulter.

He was the straight up killer that Logan Roy wanted out of his own children. The fundamental problem was that while Vaulter could have become WR's version of GoJo, it had to be sacrificed so that Logan could break Kendall down fully. Blackmailing him wasn't going to be enough. Logan points this out to Kendall early on - It's not knights on a horse, it's two people fighting for control over a single knife in the mud.

What Yee did lack was a brake pedal. Even Logan Roy only was as savage from a business standpoint as was needed. Yee's rage against Kendall became personal, a pointed grudge that Kendall was there only by his last name and old legacy money, not by blood and sweat.

If you move beyond the writing convention, the key theme here on this show is physical ascension. All of Kendall's conflicts with his father are highlighted in the pilot. Where he smashes the bathroom apart, in anger, but muffles his screams and then gets on his knees to clean up. Fearful that his father would shame him for the damage inflicted. In the recent episode, Logan's former sidepiece is not allowed "upstairs", she can no longer "ascend" into a world and lifestyle where she was only an outsider. A piece of pure road beef. The same visual impact came with Kendall was late to the vote of no confidence. The camera lingers as his struggles to get up the building and into the conference room. Cousin Greg first encounters Logan by the elevator, he can't get up on his own, then Colin the bodyguard physically manhandles him. Logan dies in the air, above everyone else. "Boar On The Floor" has all the outsiders, on the knees, oinking for sausage, where they keep lowering themselves over and over again, groveling for Logan's mercy.

When you finally see Logan's vulnerabilities, the scars on his back while he's swimming, he's helpless and "low", just barely treading above the water line. And he has to be helped up and covered. He's also sitting when he is overpouring the coffee and when he hits his grandson with the food can during the party.

You see why Vaulter has weakness. They are all on the same floor. Right before Kendall comes to gut them whole. One spits in Kendall's face because he sees himself as an equal. That he was entitled to more agency than what the real power dynamic said about the situation.

None of the children are fit to run the company. This is like the Sopranos episode where Carmela goes to the Jewish therapist, and he tells her to run, take her children and leave, with nothing else, and save what's left of them. This is highlighted in Succession by the relationship with Connor and Logan. Connor believes he's on the outside of the toxic interactions, but he still relies on Logan's money. And he desperately wants to be taken seriously, so he wants to run for elected office.

What is the common saying for Borderline Personality Disorder? I hate you. Don't leave me.

Logan could only respect a child who left him. Didn't take anything. Made their own way. Asked for nothing.

The character archetypes are supposed to be built around Rupert Murdoch and his family. That much is obvious on the surface level. But the deeper pathology is the show wants to appeal to a modern audience by engaging in outrage porn. Infusing a White House fixer on the show called "Mary Anne" was a little to on the nose. Also son in law Tom, his incompetence and impotence, this is about as subtle as what Patty Jenkins did in Wonder Woman 1984. From a media optics standpoint, from a crisis management perspective, part of the point of this show is to take the general public and normalize them to a future assassination. The writing goes beyond just someone trying to emulate David Mamet and Dennis Lehane. The scripts are clearly laced with packaged themes built around some very on the edge behavioral psychology concepts. The "morality" here all leads to the same end road - You can't negotiate with a tyrant, you can only rejoice in his death.

This is not a modern retelling of core Shakespeare. This is a mirror test on the total capacity of narcissism within the individual viewer. This is a horror show. Anyone who has any experience with a full blown narcissist would find this tale to be too painful. The people who take such glee in this show are much like Tom, who is given beating after beating from Shiv emotionally, then immediately takes out all his rage and frustration on the very weak Cousin Greg.

Look for the people clapping the hardest while watching this show, then you know who the real petty tyrants are out there.
 
Yeah, Marcia tossing Carrie out with the garbage was just stone cold savage. She was basically like "you were a convenient option for my husband for a few months while I was out of town, but your services are no longer needed". But she took a little bit of a shot from Willa after the "look how far you've come" line (I believe Willa responded "both of us". Hasn't it been hinted that Marcia was an escort at some point as well? )

Karl nearly wetting his pants when Greg suggested he "might be Kendall's number 2" was pretty damn funny.

Fascinating watching Tom scramble. I feel like he's SORT of sad about Logan but also realizes he's one vote and one signed divorce document away from having nothing.

And it was definitely a cross out, not an underline.
 
Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
You hate them because the acting is so good.
This is what everyone keeps saying, but if it were true, wouldn't these actors have other jobs? Brian Cox is awesome. He plays the roll perfectly.
Nobody else has done much before and probably won't do much after.
 
Just jumping back in to say I am now on my 4th attempt to get through this show. Currently episode 6 of season 2.
My wife sat down for 5 minutes and said "what are you watching? This is terrible acting!". Tom is just awful. As is Home Alone's brother.
That has been my thought all along. Not sure how some of you think this is great TV, but I'm going to fight through it some more.
You hate them because the acting is so good.
And I hated characters in other shows due to acting. GOT for instance. But, to me, this show is full of bad acting.
Even Holly Hunter is just cliche after cliche.
 
The beauty is that Ken will never know if his name was underlined or crossed out, but I suspect we start to see him become the killer his dad was. Burning Logan to the ground is a start, and he was right when he said it is what his dad would have done.

Poor Tom is a man on an island with no one around to throw him a raft, although I could see Shiv seeing him as her best option to make moves in the coming weeks if Ken and Roman freeze her out of the power moves.
 

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