Super Bowl 49 discussion thread: Seahawks vs Patriots (Poll added) (1 Viewer)

[proninja]

My favorite part about these next 2 weeks will be when Pats fans bash on the Hawks schedule...but AFC EAST

Packers fans talked a lot about the schedule.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

My favorite part about these next 2 weeks will be when Pats fans bash on the Hawks schedule...but AFC EAST

think we cleared up that particular misconception in another thread

maybe you should be subscribing to my rss feed to better educate yourself

although, bagging on the 'hawks schedule is pretty ridiculous

are those pats fans doing that or just the usual assortment of fbg trolls that can't stand watching someone succeed?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

My favorite part about these next 2 weeks will be when Pats fans bash on the Hawks schedule...but AFC EAST

Packers fans talked a lot about the schedule.

that's kind of funny considering part of their schedule was beating green bay

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

It is too bad Hernandez was framed for several murders because their offense would be downright scary with him right now.

 

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FYI, Russ Wilson is a career 0-6 (including playoffs) when teams put up >24 on him...but that's only what, 6 times in 55 career games.

Pats won't score 24, problem solved.

Under on NEP Team total line at SB looks juicy for those sharing your opinion.

 

[Freelove]

My favorite part about these next 2 weeks will be when Pats fans bash on the Hawks schedule...but AFC EAST

Packers fans talked a lot about the schedule.

And they were right.

Anyone can win, but the schedule was evidence the Seahawks might not be as good as the record, and true to that, they were firmly outplayed.

I'm glad SEA advanced, because I think it'll be a better SB (if the defense guys are healthy enough to play), but that's a win to be relieved about and grateful for, not proud of.

 

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We still have to listen to "the Seahawks didn't play any good QB's the second half of the season" after we just beat Aaron ####### Rodgers after spotting him 5 turnovers, and holding him to under 200 yards of passing, while Wilson improves to 10-0 against SB winning quarterbacks? Really? Can't you guys make some other crap up this week so at least the crap is different?

To be fair... Aaron rodgers was pretty much hobbled. Not QUITE the same thing.

Not saying the "sea hasn't played anyone" arguement has any merit, because it doesn't. But let's not pretend SEA just faced Rodgers at anywhere near 100%.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Based on 2013 results, at the start of this season, SEA had the 6th ranked SOS. DEN had the 2nd and SF had the 5th. So 3rd toughest based on 2013.


Based on 2014 results, SEA had the 14th ranked SOS, NE had the 6th. Also ahead of SEA was DEN, SF, ARI and GB.

I'd rather rank SOS on real results given the actual games played rather than last years results, where the teams change over the offseason.

Why don't you just look up SOS as determined by the NFL? The "real results" are right here. HTH

Seattle .525

NE .514

 

[seahawk 17]

Pats 38-20

You are horrible at predictions, I hope you have a day job.

 

[seahawk 17]

Can NE run the ball on Seattle? The Seahawks are the lightest team in the league, and the Patriots have no issue with ramming Blount down their throats if it's the path to glory.

Can the Patriots stop Seattle's offense? They generally fare pretty good against the run--then again that effort against Baltimore was awful.

Can they stop Wilson? Green Bay just did, and that defense is nothing special. NE have certainly mastered the art of the 'controlled rush', where they never actually get any sacks but they do keep the QB contained. If Seattle can't get playaction going, and are forced to rely on precision passing from Wilson, they'll be in rough shape.

I dunno, seems to be a minority opinion on here but I like the Patriots' chances.

How did GB "just stop" Wilson? He killed them in just a few minutes.

ETA: if anything came out of this game, Rodgers is totally overrated, can't overcome adversity like Wilson had, and this was a QB game. I think Wilson can stand up to Brady and play all 4 quarters and then some. Wilson was like Joe Montana today. His team never stopped playing for him, unlike GB did under Rodgers.

He had over 200 yards on 14 completions.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

How can a team be this undisciplined in a championship game?

That's what happens when you beat up on an easy schedule for most of the season

Stolen from the NFC thread, had to point this one out because devouredbyamoron is one of the worst posters on this board.

Seahawks have the #1 SOS among ALL playoff teams.

Do you actually believe Seattle's schedule was harder than NEs?

It wasn't, not even close........

Do you actually not consider SOS? It's a ####### statistic fact tubby, look it up.

Based on 2013 results, at the start of this season, SEA had the 6th ranked SOS. DEN had the 2nd and SF had the 5th. So 3rd toughest based on 2013.

Based on 2014 results, SEA had the 14th ranked SOS, NE had the 6th. Also ahead of SEA was DEN, SF, ARI and GB.

I'd rather rank SOS on real results given the actual games played rather than last years results, where the teams change over the offseason.

Thanks RW, I don't see how any1 can look at the schedules the two teams played (and when they played them) and not concede that NEs schedule was clearly more difficult, particularly the QBs and offense's they each played. Not a big deal, but it is rather obvious imho.

 

[seahawk 17]

We still have to listen to "the Seahawks didn't play any good QB's the second half of the season" after we just beat Aaron ####### Rodgers after spotting him 5 turnovers, and holding him to under 200 yards of passing, while Wilson improves to 10-0 against SB winning quarterbacks? Really? Can't you guys make some other crap up this week so at least the crap is different?

But he was injured.

 

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Blount has nimble feet and can make a dude miss now and then, but he's not really into lowering his shoulder and pushing a pile.

Not sure we watched the same game last night...

 

[seahawk 17]

Patriots are cheaters, is a pretty good thread.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Bill Belichick is 0-5.

The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Patriots. That is why the Seahawks should be favored to win.

Over the past 3 years, teams with mobile QBs, QB who are a genuine threat to run, or who excel at moving around in the pocket, are undefeated vs Bill Belichick.

The list:

2012; The Patriots lost at home to Colin Kapernick. Allowed 41 points.

2012: The Patriots lost on the road to Russell Wilson. Allowed 24 points.

2013: They lost on the road to Cam Newton. Allowed 24 points.

2014: They even lost to Alex Smith, who is known as a mobile QB. Allowed 41 points.

2014: They lost to Aaron Rodgers, another mobile QB. Allowed 26 points.

The Patriots have played 5 mobile / running QBs. Lost to ALL of them.

0-5.

The Patriots lost 4 games in 2014. One was because they had clinched HFA so they didn't care. Two were to the only two QBs who could run or scramble around on their schedule.

The Patriots are 40-14 over the past 3 seasons. 0-5 vs mobile QBs, 40-9 vs everyone else.

Not sure why this is happening. When you look at the stats, its not like these mobile QBs are having huge days on the ground. But the Patriots have failed to shut down the opposing offense in any of those games. Maybe Belichick is able to guard against the running threat of a mobile QB, but it weakens his defense elsewhere and he hasn't found a solution yet.

Belichick can't beat teams with mobile QBs, and he can't shut down their offenses. I think for the Patriots to win, they'll have to post 30 on the Legion of Boom. Not happening.

Seahawks win.

If you're counting Rogers and Alex Smith, shouldn't Luck be included as well?

no, we don't count anyone they beat -- messes up the pattern

they're 0-5 against mobile qb that they lost to

They also beat Geno Smith twice this year who qualifies as a mobile QB (well the mobile part at least). Sure he sucks but he actually had two of his better games against the Pats.

 

[Road Warriors]

Based on 2013 results, at the start of this season, SEA had the 6th ranked SOS. DEN had the 2nd and SF had the 5th. So 3rd toughest based on 2013.


Based on 2014 results, SEA had the 14th ranked SOS, NE had the 6th. Also ahead of SEA was DEN, SF, ARI and GB.

I'd rather rank SOS on real results given the actual games played rather than last years results, where the teams change over the offseason.

Why don't you just look up SOS as determined by the NFL? The "real results" are right here. HTH

Seattle .525

NE .514

wasn't trying to be tricky, first link with 2014 criteria is the one I linked searching on "NFL Strength of Schedule"

In any case... doesn't matter at this point. Two best teams facing off for the title sounds good to me. SEA looks like a tough matchup for the Pats, but I never count out a Brady/Belichick led team. Should be a good game.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

You weren't being tricky, as they say, there are 3 types of lies, Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics. The best example this year might be the Arizona Cardinals who while relatively healthy started 9-1, but as they suffered debilitating injury after injury were only able to finish 2-4. The Cards were an 11 win team, but clearly they were a more formidable team to play earlier in the year than later when they were forced to play their 3rd string qb.

 

[nobiz]

sounds like Sherman's injury is thought to be ulnar nerve damage, steroids being one of the ways to assist in the healing so I'm guessing he will be fine come February 1st.

Only if Gronk lets him buy some instead of bogarting the market

 

[Bad_Mo]

I'd rather be talking about Sherman's arm than his mouth.

Guy is beyond annoying.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I'd rather be talking about Sherman's arm than his mouth.

Guy is beyond annoying.

Oh, don't worry. Both will be talked about in depth come media week.

 

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Tests have revealed promising news for the Seattle Seahawks and star cornerback Richard Sherman.

NFL Media's Albert Breer reported Monday that an MRI showed that Sherman suffered a sprained elbow during Sunday's NFC Championship Game win over the Green Bay Packers. He should be able to play in Super Bowl XLIX on Feb. 1.

Sherman played much of the second half Sunday favoring his left arm after colliding with teammate Kam Chancellor at the end of aJames Starks run. A grimacing Sherman was in obvious pain each time Fox cameras cut to the All-Pro on the sideline. He kept his injured arm in a bent position while on the field.

Sherman told NFL Media's Steve Wyche on Sunday night that he will play against the New England Patriots despite the injury. Barring a setback over the next two weeks, expect to see Sherman on the field -- with some added protection on the crook of his left arm.

LINK

 

[zoonation]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game. Yeah, the stars aligned and the Hawks advanced, but this is not the same team they trotted out there last year. And, they looked just awful, really. For 55 minutes. Green Bay just collapsed in epic fashion.

I'd be seriously nervous. Wilson looked awful. And the brain has two weeks to prepare for him.

I like NE in this one. 24-20. Late seattle td makes it interesting.

 

[The Ref]

I can't wait for this game. I'm hating the fact that we need to wait two weeks.

 

[parrot]

Is Belicheck a meme I'm not aware of?

Belicheck yourself before you wreck yourself.

 

[JIslander]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game. Yeah, the stars aligned and the Hawks advanced, but this is not the same team they trotted out there last year. And, they looked just awful, really. For 55 minutes. Green Bay just collapsed in epic fashion.

I'd be seriously nervous. Wilson looked awful. And the brain has two weeks to prepare for him.

I like NE in this one. 24-20. Late seattle td makes it interesting.

You could also say the opposite, that NE should be more nervous. Seattle FOUND A WAY TO WIN after being pushed around all game. Scary team that will not be denied.

 

[Hooper31]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game.

I don't think either line got pushed around. What makes you say this?

I think the majority of fans overreact to single games. Worse even, they react to single plays. If your evaluation of a player or team changes drastically in a short amount of time, you're just being fickle.

My opinion of Tom Brady didn't change after that horrendous Monday night game at KC. Did yours?

Better example: The Packer fans that want massive change in their coaching staff or roster are overreacting to a single play. Had Seattle not converted the onsides kick, that conversation would be vastly different for way too many fans.

 

[Boston]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game. Yeah, the stars aligned and the Hawks advanced, but this is not the same team they trotted out there last year. And, they looked just awful, really. For 55 minutes. Green Bay just collapsed in epic fashion.

I'd be seriously nervous. Wilson looked awful. And the brain has two weeks to prepare for him.

I like NE in this one. 24-20. Late seattle td makes it interesting.

You could also say the opposite, that NE should be more nervous. Seattle FOUND A WAY TO WIN after being pushed around all game. Scary team that will not be denied.

I know it's been awhile but I think the Baltimore game had a few of those qualities...

 

[JIslander]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game. Yeah, the stars aligned and the Hawks advanced, but this is not the same team they trotted out there last year. And, they looked just awful, really. For 55 minutes. Green Bay just collapsed in epic fashion.

I'd be seriously nervous. Wilson looked awful. And the brain has two weeks to prepare for him.

I like NE in this one. 24-20. Late seattle td makes it interesting.

You could also say the opposite, that NE should be more nervous. Seattle FOUND A WAY TO WIN after being pushed around all game. Scary team that will not be denied.

I know it's been awhile but I think the Baltimore game had a few of those qualities...

Yeah (as a Ravens fan) they backed into the playoffs and had a serious flaw that is actually Seattle's strength.

 

[ShamrockPride]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game. Yeah, the stars aligned and the Hawks advanced, but this is not the same team they trotted out there last year. And, they looked just awful, really. For 55 minutes. Green Bay just collapsed in epic fashion.

I'd be seriously nervous. Wilson looked awful. And the brain has two weeks to prepare for him.

I like NE in this one. 24-20. Late seattle td makes it interesting.

Yeah man Seattle sure was getting pushed around at their own 1 twice yesterday.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

It amazes me that Seattle fans aren't super nervous after watching both their offense and defense get pushed around on the line of scrimmage for an entire game.

I don't think either line got pushed around. What makes you say this?

I think the majority of fans overreact to single games. Worse even, they react to single plays. If your evaluation of a player or team changes drastically in a short amount of time, you're just being fickle.

My opinion of Tom Brady didn't change after that horrendous Monday night game at KC. Did yours?

Better example: The Packer fans that want massive change in their coaching staff or roster are overreacting to a single play. Had Seattle not converted the onsides kick, that conversation would be vastly different for way too many fans.

My

Its not just one game, Sea is certainly a very good team, but they haven't looked as dominant as they did last year (imho) and they played a bunch of offensive stiffs down the stretch. Offensively challenged Car kept it close going into the 4th last week and GB dominated them for the vast majority of this latest game. NEs def is better than GBs and so is their offense (albeit arguably, but w Rodgers hobbled its a slam dunk imho). This will easily be the biggest challenge that the Sea def has faced this year.

It has all the makings of a great SB and sure Sea may very well win, but I don't understand the overconfidence and arrogance out of so many Sea fans.

I can't wait for the game

 

[carverlee]

As much as I don't want to see it turn out this way, I think the Pats run away with this one.

Outside the first game of the year, they have looked very beatable week in and week out. Seems their defense got their wheels back on for a stretch near the end but they played a handful of very inept offenses during that stretch. Their signature win late was in Philly but it's hard to know what to contribute that to. Philly was starting their slide, and Carroll I'm sure is very savvy to the Oregon offensive gimmick. They looked hapless against a weak Panthers team through 3 quarters then got dominated for 3 quarters this weekend. I believe Detroit and or Dallas wins that game had they gotten there.

No facts, no stats, just what my football eyes have been telling me. That said, NE hasn't exactly been gangbusters. I feel they can be had too, just not by Seattle. 30-13 Pats.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

As much as I don't want to see it turn out this way, I think the Pats run away with this one.

Outside the first game of the year, they have looked very beatable week in and week out. Seems their defense got their wheels back on for a stretch near the end but they played a handful of very inept offenses during that stretch. Their signature win late was in Philly but it's hard to know what to contribute that to. Philly was starting their slide, and Carroll I'm sure is very savvy to the Oregon offensive gimmick. They looked hapless against a weak Panthers team through 3 quarters then got dominated for 3 quarters this weekend. I believe Detroit and or Dallas wins that game had they gotten there.

No facts, no stats, just what my football eyes have been telling me. That said, NE hasn't exactly been gangbusters. I feel they can be had too, just not by Seattle. 30-13 Pats.

Agreed

 

[ROCKET]

As a Pats fan I have a feeling we win. I'm not going to go thru every thread and guarantee it, just a gut feeling. I was nervous in both the Giant games, for some reason I don't feel as anxious going into this one. I could be dead wrong but I really like our chances. If we lose I will tip my hat to Seattle and life will go on. It would suck but there is a hell of a lot more to life than football. Just to see my family happy and healthy will offset anything sports can ever do to me.

 

[Wingnut]

Man I feel for Green Bay fans. Just a gut punching loss. All the talk about Seattle destroying Green Bay the week leading up to the game makes me wonder how many Seattle fans were stunned and sick to their stomachs before the last 5 minutes.

And yet they will talk again about how the Seahawks will handle New England.

This could be Brady and Belichicks last chance to join the 4 ring club, and I don't see them being denied.

Seattle faced these coaches in the postseason during their run, including last season (all home games except for the Super Bowl last year of course)

Sean Payton

Jim Harbaugh

John Fox

Ron Rivera

Mike McCarthy

With the exception of maybe Payton, none of those coaches exactly strike fear into opponents.

Now they get Belichick, who has more rings than the whole above list combined. If I was a Seattle fan, I'd be nervous. Real nervous.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

considering what they did to last year's record setting denver team I probably wouldn't be all that worried about it if I was a seattle fan.

 

[JIslander]

considering what they did to last year's record setting denver team I probably wouldn't be all that worried about it if I was a seattle fan.

is that humility and realism? how dissapointing

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Brady has made dumb mental mistakes in two straight games that at minimum were 10 point swings in the game. In both instances, he forced the ball into tight coverage when the circumstances of the game should have called for a more conservative approach. To his credit, he rebounded with great play after each INT but I have a hard time thinking he can get away with the same against Seattle and win.

 

[Hooper31]

I don't understand the overconfidence and arrogance out of so many Sea fans.

I don't see that. I see a bunch of Seattle fans that want their team to win. I see a bunch of NE fans that want their team to win. Whatever arrogance you're perceiving is something that you're creating in your own mind. I see the game as a coin flip. Both teams have legitimate reasons why they can be successful.

 

[Hooper31]

As much as I don't want to see it turn out this way, I think the Pats run away with this one.

Outside the first game of the year, they have looked very beatable week in and week out. Seems their defense got their wheels back on for a stretch near the end but they played a handful of very inept offenses during that stretch. Their signature win late was in Philly but it's hard to know what to contribute that to. Philly was starting their slide, and Carroll I'm sure is very savvy to the Oregon offensive gimmick. They looked hapless against a weak Panthers team through 3 quarters then got dominated for 3 quarters this weekend. I believe Detroit and or Dallas wins that game had they gotten there.

No facts, no stats, just what my football eyes have been telling me. That said, NE hasn't exactly been gangbusters. I feel they can be had too, just not by Seattle. 30-13 Pats.

Agreed

Wow. Immediately after you attempt to point out "arrogant" Seattle fans you agree with the guy that says Pats run away with this.

You HOPE they win. You'll seek out whatever stat or reason that makes you feel better. GL with that.

 

[Hooper31]

And yet they will talk again about how the Seahawks will handle New England.

There is no "they". If you can't address people directly you're just looking to cause trouble. But then, that's sort of what you do for entertainment. Go figure.

 

[dirtyjay]

This has the makings of a great Super Bowl

 

[Wingnut]

And yet they will talk again about how the Seahawks will handle New England.

There is no "they". If you can't address people directly you're just looking to cause trouble. But then, that's sort of what you do for entertainment. Go figure.

They, meaning the ones who did it all week in the NFCCG thread.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I don't understand the overconfidence and arrogance out of so many Sea fans.

I don't see that. I see a bunch of Seattle fans that want their team to win. I see a bunch of NE fans that want their team to win. Whatever arrogance you're perceiving is something that you're creating in your own mind. I see the game as a coin flip. Both teams have legitimate reasons why they can be successful.

Maybe I'm projecting a bit and it has more to do with ITS and a couple others and the Seahawks countdown to an undefeated season thread, or the Seahawks just won the SB thread when Dal lost. We shall see.....

 

[MG345]

I don't understand the overconfidence and arrogance out of so many Sea fans.

I don't see that. I see a bunch of Seattle fans that want their team to win. I see a bunch of NE fans that want their team to win. Whatever arrogance you're perceiving is something that you're creating in your own mind. I see the game as a coin flip. Both teams have legitimate reasons why they can be successful.

Maybe I'm projecting a bit and it has more to do with ITS and a couple others and the Seahawks countdown to an undefeated season thread, or the Seahawks just won the SB thread when Dal lost. We shall see.....

The one that wasn't even started by a Seahawks fan? The large majority of fans on this site are level headed and rational, then there are ITS and MadSweeny (who I think is banned). On top of that, you have the trolls that take up the Hawks banner, when they are fans of other teams and they are just trying to get a rise out of other fan bases.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

As much as I don't want to see it turn out this way, I think the Pats run away with this one.

Outside the first game of the year, they have looked very beatable week in and week out. Seems their defense got their wheels back on for a stretch near the end but they played a handful of very inept offenses during that stretch. Their signature win late was in Philly but it's hard to know what to contribute that to. Philly was starting their slide, and Carroll I'm sure is very savvy to the Oregon offensive gimmick. They looked hapless against a weak Panthers team through 3 quarters then got dominated for 3 quarters this weekend. I believe Detroit and or Dallas wins that game had they gotten there.

No facts, no stats, just what my football eyes have been telling me. That said, NE hasn't exactly been gangbusters. I feel they can be had too, just not by Seattle. 30-13 Pats.

Agreed

Wow. Immediately after you attempt to point out "arrogant" Seattle fans you agree with the guy that says Pats run away with this.

You HOPE they win. You'll seek out whatever stat or reason that makes you feel better. GL with that.

I agreed with his reasoning; if u want to stick me with his final score prediction I guess I could live with it, but it is his not mine.

Yeah I hope NE will win and I think they will; there is plenty of supporting evidence that suggests they will do just that. However, I respect that Sea is a very strong opponent and it wouldn't shock me to see them win.

 

[Wingnut]

I don't understand the overconfidence and arrogance out of so many Sea fans.

I don't see that. I see a bunch of Seattle fans that want their team to win. I see a bunch of NE fans that want their team to win. Whatever arrogance you're perceiving is something that you're creating in your own mind. I see the game as a coin flip. Both teams have legitimate reasons why they can be successful.

Maybe I'm projecting a bit and it has more to do with ITS and a couple others and the Seahawks countdown to an undefeated season thread, or the Seahawks just won the SB thread when Dal lost. We shall see.....

I saw plenty of arrogance in the other thread. I didn't follow the AFC thread so I can't speak to NE fans...but there was more tham a few Seattle fans in the NFC thread that were unbearably arrogant...that said, ITS is definitely the ring leader, he must be a real winner IRL.

 

[JIslander]

The Insufferable Bowl --

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I don't understand the overconfidence and arrogance out of so many Sea fans.

I don't see that. I see a bunch of Seattle fans that want their team to win. I see a bunch of NE fans that want their team to win. Whatever arrogance you're perceiving is something that you're creating in your own mind. I see the game as a coin flip. Both teams have legitimate reasons why they can be successful.

Maybe I'm projecting a bit and it has more to do with ITS and a couple others and the Seahawks countdown to an undefeated season thread, or the Seahawks just won the SB thread when Dal lost. We shall see.....

The one that wasn't even started by a Seahawks fan? The large majority of fans on this site are level headed and rational, then there are ITS and MadSweeny (who I think is banned). On top of that, you have the trolls that take up the Hawks banner, when they are fans of other teams and they are just trying to get a rise out of other fan bases.

Yeah, as I said, I might have been projecting a bit to much (my bad); lets put the gloves on and have at it

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I wasn't even aware there were 'hawks fans posting on this board outside of ITS

 

[JHuber77]

Rooting for a Katy Perry wardrobe malfunction. Stupid time delays will screw this one up though.