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****Super Bowl LIX - Kansas City 17-2 vs Philadelphia 17-3****(+1.5, 49.5) The Eagles are your 2024 Champions!!! (3 Viewers)

In 90 seconds, every easter egg you probably missed in the Kendrick Lamar halftime show

+1 one more the reviewer missed

(also missed the PlayStation stage + Squid Game outfits + 40 acres & a mule + a ton of other BHM stuff but whatevs)

#GameOver



the entire show - worth another watch


did not watch the game

did watch a masterpiece tho



@JohnnyU

1958 NFL Championship Game halftime show
Maybe worthy of its own thread since folks have opinions on both sides of the coin.

A masterpiece? I'm going to temper my comments here so that I don't get banned or canceled, but that was about as opposite as you can get from a masterpiece.

Just chatted up a fellow vet, my age, who said that whole production - everything from the costumes, the choreography, the mashup lyrics - so much intentionality. More layers than a Toni Morrison novel.

Asked og if he was retired. Naw, love to teach, just doing less of it these days. NYU prof.

With a massive collection of hits & 22
Grammys, kdot went niche. It’s alright to not like it, or to not attempt to understand it.

Just understand black culture is Americana.

Hip hop & rap are the preferred genre of huge swaths of the NFL/NBA.

Black History Month is American History.

It probably is worthy of a separate thread.

Drake VS Kendrick explained to white people
In 90 seconds, every easter egg you probably missed in the Kendrick Lamar halftime show

+1 one more the reviewer missed

(also missed the PlayStation stage + Squid Game outfits + 40 acres & a mule + a ton of other BHM stuff but whatevs)

#GameOver



the entire show - worth another watch


did not watch the game

did watch a masterpiece tho



@JohnnyU

1958 NFL Championship Game halftime show
Maybe worthy of its own thread since folks have opinions on both sides of the coin.

A masterpiece? I'm going to temper my comments here so that I don't get banned or canceled, but that was about as opposite as you can get from a masterpiece.

Just chatted up a fellow vet, my age, who said that whole production - everything from the costumes, the choreography, the mashup lyrics - so much intentionality. More layers than a Toni Morrison novel.

Asked og if he was retired. Naw, love to teach, just doing less of it these days. NYU prof.

With a massive collection of hits & 22
Grammys, kdot went niche. It’s alright to not like it, or to not attempt to understand it.

Just understand black culture is Americana.

Hip hop & rap are the preferred genre of huge swaths of the NFL/NBA.

Black History Month is American History.

It probably is worthy of a separate thread.

Drake VS Kendrick explained to white people

Josh Johnson is terrific

:lol:

Anyway, I’m out. The FBG Guide probably doesn’t want this on his board.

Josh Johnson is terrific

:lol:

Anyway, I’m out. The FBG Guide probably doesn’t want this on his board.
I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I was teenager once too, and my parents didn't necessarily like my music......metal head. They just thought it was noise, and anger....lol. So I'm trying to be understanding, but when your teenage daughter listens to music that talks about what these artists talk about.....it's not that exciting as a parent.
Artist is pushing it :) Yeah, get off my lawn you scoundrel.
 
I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.
 
In 90 seconds, every easter egg you probably missed in the Kendrick Lamar halftime show

+1 one more the reviewer missed

(also missed the PlayStation stage + Squid Game outfits + 40 acres & a mule + a ton of other BHM stuff but whatevs)

#GameOver



the entire show - worth another watch


did not watch the game

did watch a masterpiece tho



@JohnnyU

1958 NFL Championship Game halftime show
Maybe worthy of its own thread since folks have opinions on both sides of the coin.

A masterpiece? I'm going to temper my comments here so that I don't get banned or canceled, but that was about as opposite as you can get from a masterpiece.

Just chatted up a fellow vet, my age, who said that whole production - everything from the costumes, the choreography, the mashup lyrics - so much intentionality. More layers than a Toni Morrison novel.

Asked og if he was retired. Naw, love to teach, just doing less of it these days. NYU prof.

With a massive collection of hits & 22
Grammys, kdot went niche. It’s alright to not like it, or to not attempt to understand it.

Just understand black culture is Americana.

Hip hop & rap are the preferred genre of huge swaths of the NFL/NBA.

Black History Month is American History.

It probably is worthy of a separate thread.

Drake VS Kendrick explained to white people
In 90 seconds, every easter egg you probably missed in the Kendrick Lamar halftime show

+1 one more the reviewer missed

(also missed the PlayStation stage + Squid Game outfits + 40 acres & a mule + a ton of other BHM stuff but whatevs)

#GameOver



the entire show - worth another watch


did not watch the game

did watch a masterpiece tho



@JohnnyU

1958 NFL Championship Game halftime show
Maybe worthy of its own thread since folks have opinions on both sides of the coin.

A masterpiece? I'm going to temper my comments here so that I don't get banned or canceled, but that was about as opposite as you can get from a masterpiece.

Just chatted up a fellow vet, my age, who said that whole production - everything from the costumes, the choreography, the mashup lyrics - so much intentionality. More layers than a Toni Morrison novel.

Asked og if he was retired. Naw, love to teach, just doing less of it these days. NYU prof.

With a massive collection of hits & 22
Grammys, kdot went niche. It’s alright to not like it, or to not attempt to understand it.

Just understand black culture is Americana.

Hip hop & rap are the preferred genre of huge swaths of the NFL/NBA.

Black History Month is American History.

It probably is worthy of a separate thread.

Drake VS Kendrick explained to white people

Josh Johnson is terrific

:lol:

Anyway, I’m out. The FBG Guide probably doesn’t want this on his board.

Josh Johnson is terrific

:lol:

Anyway, I’m out. The FBG Guide probably doesn’t want this on his board.
I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I was teenager once too, and my parents didn't necessarily like my music......metal head. They just thought it was noise, and anger....lol. So I'm trying to be understanding, but when your teenage daughter listens to music that talks about what these artists talk about.....it's not that exciting as a parent.

There was nothing degrading about last night (unless you’re Drake lol).

Zero cuss words in 13 minutes.

I gotta get away….I like having posting privileges.
 
In 90 seconds, every easter egg you probably missed in the Kendrick Lamar halftime show

+1 one more the reviewer missed

(also missed the PlayStation stage + Squid Game outfits + 40 acres & a mule + a ton of other BHM stuff but whatevs)

#GameOver



the entire show - worth another watch


did not watch the game

did watch a masterpiece tho



@JohnnyU

1958 NFL Championship Game halftime show
Maybe worthy of its own thread since folks have opinions on both sides of the coin.

A masterpiece? I'm going to temper my comments here so that I don't get banned or canceled, but that was about as opposite as you can get from a masterpiece.

Just chatted up a fellow vet, my age, who said that whole production - everything from the costumes, the choreography, the mashup lyrics - so much intentionality. More layers than a Toni Morrison novel.

Asked og if he was retired. Naw, love to teach, just doing less of it these days. NYU prof.

With a massive collection of hits & 22
Grammys, kdot went niche. It’s alright to not like it, or to not attempt to understand it.

Just understand black culture is Americana.

Hip hop & rap are the preferred genre of huge swaths of the NFL/NBA.

Black History Month is American History.

It probably is worthy of a separate thread.

Drake VS Kendrick explained to white people
In 90 seconds, every easter egg you probably missed in the Kendrick Lamar halftime show

+1 one more the reviewer missed

(also missed the PlayStation stage + Squid Game outfits + 40 acres & a mule + a ton of other BHM stuff but whatevs)

#GameOver



the entire show - worth another watch


did not watch the game

did watch a masterpiece tho



@JohnnyU

1958 NFL Championship Game halftime show
Maybe worthy of its own thread since folks have opinions on both sides of the coin.

A masterpiece? I'm going to temper my comments here so that I don't get banned or canceled, but that was about as opposite as you can get from a masterpiece.

Just chatted up a fellow vet, my age, who said that whole production - everything from the costumes, the choreography, the mashup lyrics - so much intentionality. More layers than a Toni Morrison novel.

Asked og if he was retired. Naw, love to teach, just doing less of it these days. NYU prof.

With a massive collection of hits & 22
Grammys, kdot went niche. It’s alright to not like it, or to not attempt to understand it.

Just understand black culture is Americana.

Hip hop & rap are the preferred genre of huge swaths of the NFL/NBA.

Black History Month is American History.

It probably is worthy of a separate thread.

Drake VS Kendrick explained to white people

Josh Johnson is terrific

:lol:

Anyway, I’m out. The FBG Guide probably doesn’t want this on his board.

Josh Johnson is terrific

:lol:

Anyway, I’m out. The FBG Guide probably doesn’t want this on his board.
I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I was teenager once too, and my parents didn't necessarily like my music......metal head. They just thought it was noise, and anger....lol. So I'm trying to be understanding, but when your teenage daughter listens to music that talks about what these artists talk about.....it's not that exciting as a parent.

There was nothing degrading about last night (unless you’re Drake lol).

Zero cuss words in 13 minutes.

I gotta get away….I like having posting privileges.
Huh? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
 
Even if you don’t like the music, the artistry of the visual and the choreography is undeniable.
That section inside the X with the cameraman in the middle rotating to each “arm” of the X was brilliant. So well planned and executed.

I’m not a big rap guy (unless you count Rappers Delight and Planet Rock ;) ) but I got into Kendrick on his first album. Didn’t keep up, but my oldest son (20 yrs old) loves him and we listened to his latest album together a bit on a drive to the airport. The sounds, arrangements, rhythms and creativity of the music alone is just amazing. And the rhythm and sound of his voice and lyrics are so unique, intentional and expertly executed, that anyone who plays music, regardless of genre, should be able to appreciate.

3 or 4 cents worth.
 
They finally utilized Saquon in the passing game tonight too. 6-40 giving him 97 total yards. It was by far his worst game in months but he still had a high impact on the game. Blocking and being the main focus for KC to key on. Saquon allowed Hurts and the offense to methodically move down the field and dominate the ball.
yeah, for Saquon, its more about the timing of his big plays than it is about the total yardage. his stats seemed a bit pedestrian in this game, but he performed at key times and that made his so so game turn into a very good game.
I didn’t like the outcome but very happy for Barkley. He made some big plays without touching the ball - big blitz pickup in 1st TD drive. Then excellent lead block on a QB draw.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
I think Tyreek was more valuable to them then they thought
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
I think Tyreek was more valuable to them then they thought
I mean they did still win 2 Super Bowls without him. If they pay Tyreek, not sure they have the defense they do.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

One of the best defensive performances in a Super Bowl through 3 quarters. Put it up there with the Bears, Ravens, Bucs.

Running quarters and rushing four - that’s a day one install on a good h.s. team defense. Zero blitzes.

Amazing.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

One of the best defensive performances in a Super Bowl through 3 quarters. Put it up there with the Bears, Ravens, Bucs.

Running quarters and rushing four - that’s a day one install on a good h.s. team defense. Zero blitzes.

Amazing.

Something for the league to ponder, the Eagles have the youngest defense in the league. Barring injury, they're only going to get better.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

One of the best defensive performances in a Super Bowl through 3 quarters. Put it up there with the Bears, Ravens, Bucs.

Running quarters and rushing four - that’s a day one install on a good h.s. team defense. Zero blitzes.

Amazing.

Something for the league to ponder, the Eagles have the youngest defense in the league. Barring injury, they're only going to get better.
Hard to maintain that edge though once they've won it. Will be a great coaching job if Nick can get them back to the Bowl again next year.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
I think Tyreek was more valuable to them then they thought
I mean they did still win 2 Super Bowls without him. If they pay Tyreek, not sure they have the defense they do.
It's a valid point. Their offense is really bad right now. Didn't seem like a typical Andy Reid/Mahomes joint. Losing Rice didn't help obviously. Their O line is bad. Mahomes doesn't seem to have the same magic he once had either. Tyreek was always kind of a cheat code.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

One of the best defensive performances in a Super Bowl through 3 quarters. Put it up there with the Bears, Ravens, Bucs.

Running quarters and rushing four - that’s a day one install on a good h.s. team defense. Zero blitzes.

Amazing.

Something for the league to ponder, the Eagles have the youngest defense in the league. Barring injury, they're only going to get better.
Will they be able to keep it together?
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
I subscribe to the theory that if a team continually makes the Super Bowl that they are good. Probably outlandish on my part.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
The early season loss to the Raiders seemed like a red flag for sure. They were kind of a "just enough" team throughout the season. Losing Rice significantly hampered their passing game, and Kelce has looked sluggish and inefficient out there.

They haven't looked the same without Tyreek Hill, and when they lost their ability to run the ball, the entire offense struggled. Especially after Rice was gone. Their defense really pushed them to some wins, and some opponents really helped them out - their biggest strength of OL play turned out to be their biggest weakness yesterday, with 6 sacks (including a FF) on zero blitzes, rushing only 4. That's wild.

There were several games where the Chiefs had essentially lost, but won due to a missed FG by an opponent, or an opponent being unable to get ~30 yards to get into FG position.

Not saying they're a bad team - and at times, yes - they were really good. So to the OP's 1st question, yes - they have been that good. But they weren't 15-2 good. They were probably more like 12-5, still get to the SB good though.

The bottom line of the Chiefs in 2025 is that Mahomes is their best player. He is inarguably the best QB in the NFL right now, and his ability to improvise with his legs has been underrated. His scrambling was how they beat the 49ers in the SB last year. And when your best player has a bad game, it's going to be really difficult to overcome that when it's your QB and he's committing 3 turnovers, and going 3-and-out.

You could make a very good case that Barkley is the Eagles best player. And when he had a mediocre game, the rest of the team stepped up in a big way.

KC's defense was probably the 2nd biggest let-down of yesterday. They've been so good all year - and they got steamrolled. Some of that was due to Mahomes turnovers - getting right back on the field can exhaust a defense. But where the Eagles seemed to have eyes on Mahomes every time he tried to run, the Chiefs didn't have a response to Hurts scrambling.

So TL/DR, yes - the Chiefs have been that good. But they haven't been as consistent this year, and they weren't 15-2 good. And TBH I didn't think they had a particularly good gameplan coming into the SB. They barely ran the ball, and Mahomes seemed confused by what Fangio was throwing out there against him.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

One of the best defensive performances in a Super Bowl through 3 quarters. Put it up there with the Bears, Ravens, Bucs.

Running quarters and rushing four - that’s a day one install on a good h.s. team defense. Zero blitzes.

Amazing.

Something for the league to ponder, the Eagles have the youngest defense in the league. Barring injury, they're only going to get better.
Will they be able to keep it together?
Many of them are on rookie contracts. The free agents this offseason are Zach Baun, Josh Sweat, Milton Williams and Darius Slay. Baun is absolutely essential to Fangio's scheme and has to be priority #1. Some or all of the others will walk, depends on how much of his cap magic Howie Roseman can work. But there are DL replacements in the pipeline thanks to incredible drafting in the past 4 years.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
The early season loss to the Raiders seemed like a red flag for sure.
They won that game, but didn't look good doing it.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

You could make a very good case that Barkley is the Eagles best player. And when he had a mediocre game, the rest of the team stepped up in a big way.

KC's defense was probably the 2nd biggest let-down of yesterday. They've been so good all year - and they got steamrolled. Some of that was due to Mahomes turnovers - getting right back on the field can exhaust a defense. But where the Eagles seemed to have eyes on Mahomes every time he tried to run, the Chiefs didn't have a response to Hurts scrambling.
There is no clear "best player" on the Eagles. In addition to Barkley, AJ Brown, the entire offensive line, and, yes, Jalen Hurts are among the best players in the NFL at their respective positions. Plus they have two of the league's best complementary weapons in Devonta Smith and Dallas Goedert.

The Chiefs sold out to stop Barkley and dared Hurts and the rest of the passing game to beat them. Which they did.
 
The Chiefs this year were clearly a very good team but I never thought they were great. Probably should have lost four or five games. I was surprised to see the line at -1.5 in early betting and claimed that the line would come to a pick 'em due to the sheer studs on the Eagles roster. Hard to believe that never happened in retrospect.
 
They weren't going to win, but the game would have been much more interesting if 1) Mahomes throws that ball away on 3rd and 16 and 2) KC would have run the ball and/or thrown passes to Worthy/Brown in the flat to pick up some yards from the get-go. They threw that one to Worthy early 2nd half, and it's like why didn't they do on the first drive of the game.
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

One of the best defensive performances in a Super Bowl through 3 quarters. Put it up there with the Bears, Ravens, Bucs.

Running quarters and rushing four - that’s a day one install on a good h.s. team defense. Zero blitzes.

Amazing.

Something for the league to ponder, the Eagles have the youngest defense in the league. Barring injury, they're only going to get better.
Will they be able to keep it together?

Just looking at players who played a somewhat major role on the defense this year:

Free Agent 2025
Josh Sweat
Zach Baun
Milton Williams
Isaiah Rodgers

Free Agent 2026
Darius Slay
Reed Blankenship
Nakobe Dean

Free Agent 2027
Jordan Davis
CJGJ
Moro Ojomo

Free Agent 2028
Jalen Carter
Nolan Smith
Cooper DeJean
Jalyx Hunt

Free Agent 2029
Quinyon Mitchell

Looks like they're in pretty good shape. Baun is a critical re-sign this offseason, but other than that, they have internal replacements for the UFAs.
 
They weren't going to win, but the game would have been much more interesting if 1) Mahomes throws that ball away on 3rd and 16 and 2) KC would have run the ball and/or thrown passes to Worthy/Brown in the flat to pick up some yards from the get-go. They threw that one to Worthy early 2nd half, and it's like why didn't they do on the first drive of the game.
Why KC didn't run Pacheco more was baffling. Maybe he's still too hurt to be out there. Pacheco absolutely killed the Eagles the last 2 times they played.
 
They weren't going to win, but the game would have been much more interesting if 1) Mahomes throws that ball away on 3rd and 16 and 2) KC would have run the ball and/or thrown passes to Worthy/Brown in the flat to pick up some yards from the get-go. They threw that one to Worthy early 2nd half, and it's like why didn't they do on the first drive of the game.
Why KC didn't run Pacheco more was baffling. Maybe he's still too hurt to be out there. Pacheco absolutely killed the Eagles the last 2 times they played.
He's looked slow since returning from injury. Hunt was outplaying him down the stretch.
 
They weren't going to win, but the game would have been much more interesting if 1) Mahomes throws that ball away on 3rd and 16 and 2) KC would have run the ball and/or thrown passes to Worthy/Brown in the flat to pick up some yards from the get-go. They threw that one to Worthy early 2nd half, and it's like why didn't they do on the first drive of the game.
Why KC didn't run Pacheco more was baffling. Maybe he's still too hurt to be out there. Pacheco absolutely killed the Eagles the last 2 times they played.

He hasnt looked good all year
 
They weren't going to win, but the game would have been much more interesting if 1) Mahomes throws that ball away on 3rd and 16 and 2) KC would have run the ball and/or thrown passes to Worthy/Brown in the flat to pick up some yards from the get-go. They threw that one to Worthy early 2nd half, and it's like why didn't they do on the first drive of the game.
Why KC didn't run Pacheco more was baffling. Maybe he's still too hurt to be out there. Pacheco absolutely killed the Eagles the last 2 times they played.
He's looked slow since returning from injury. Hunt was outplaying him down the stretch.
Yes, Pacheco is still hurting coming back from injury. Hunt had been better down the stretch, but Pacheco should be good to as 1a or 1b next season.
 
Had no dog in this fight, so that was about the most boring SB since the one where the rams scored 3 points.

We had some good ladder golf action. I heard the halftime show was meh......but they always are.
I really was rooting for it to be the Bills or the Ravens in the Super Bowl instead of the Chiefs. I firmly believe that either of those two teams would have made for a much better Super Bowl than what we got. My thoughts are in line with yours. I thought the Eagles looked very good, but that the game itself (including the halftime show) were very disappointing.
 
Had no dog in this fight, so that was about the most boring SB since the one where the rams scored 3 points.

We had some good ladder golf action. I heard the halftime show was meh......but they always are.
I really was rooting for it to be the Bills or the Ravens in the Super Bowl instead of the Chiefs. I firmly believe that either of those two teams would have made for a much better Super Bowl than what we got. My thoughts are in line with yours. I thought the Eagles looked very good, but that the game itself (including the halftime show) were very disappointing.

Best super bowl i have ever seen!
 
Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.
THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.
 
I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.
And that is why, despite enjoying Kendrick, I found that Super Bowl performance an odd choice. Could you imagine the NFL letting Tupac do a Super Bowl halftime in 1997 after releasing a similar massive diss track? Is it it different because they are just making accusations and not shooting each other?
 
Is it it different because they are just making accusations and not shooting each other?

Yes. Yes it is. The two people involved have no ties to nefarious elements. They're pure hip hop and rap. It's going to court rather than the two gentlemen going to prison. But "Not Like Us" is problematic in other ways I won't touch on because that's not what they want here.
 
Oh, **** it. I'll just print it. This person on reddit described the problem with the song better than I could, and it's exactly what I thought when I first heard the song.

"it's antisemitic in the complex sense that we are facing today, OR: it is simply a beef. But the rap is structured like this: There's a lot of throwing insults, clever and detailed, accusations of pedophilia, other random *** cultural slights that only make sense to the rap & pop elite and those that obsess over all that. But the actual framing of the whole piece, the ideas should be totally familiar, and they are not ideas that Kendrick Lamar came up with.

It's just the settler-colonial ideology. Others have noted it here already. Lamar even has to say, "Bear with me for a second, let me put ya'll on game" in order to introduce the ideas that he's parroting from the academic and activist world. Then he explains the core idea of settler-colonialism: namely, colonialism never ended, or as the academics like to say: "it's a structure not an event." Lamar puts it like this:

The settlers was usin' town folk to make 'em richer / Fast-forward 2024, you got the same agenda

There's been no historical development, no fourteenth adendment, no civil rights act, etc etc. What we have today is the same as the 17th and 18th centuries. It's a structure not an event. Then by the end, Drake is the embodiment when Lamar sums it all up:

No, You not a colleague, you a ****in' colonizer

This is where it starts to become anti-Jewish. We all know the remarkable thing about Drake is that he's got a dual identity, both black and Jewish. He's mixed. That property of Drake that he's more than one thing, that he's and embodiment of mixing, and openness between different peoples -- all that is erased. Here's he's just a colonizer. He's a part of this structure that exploits the "folk." Lamar is the folk, but he's hip to the structure. He's unveiling Drake's hip hop status as inauthentic, a cover for what he really is.

So why is this anti-Jewish? It's not simply because of the invocation of the settler-colonial vocabulary. That ideology is probably not anti-jewish in its core essence, but it's being used that way in that it takes Jews to be the example. That's what Kendrick does here. Anti-Jewish thought has always functioned somewhat differently in history compared other ideologies of hate. You can see this clearly when you appreciate, for example, that anti-black racists have never accused black people of being the controlling evil force behind the world's power structures, whereas that is the common crude form of anti-Jewish thought. But we can put a finer point on it still: Jews have often been used as a foil for identifying and evaluating the moral failings of society at large. When, in the last 19th and early 20th centuries, society was bound up with a critique of capitalism, Jews were seen as the most capitalist capitalists.

Today, the focus on "colonialism" as replaced the concern over "capitalism", and Jews are maligned as colonizers & settlers. This general attitude has, as we all observe, saturated the public sphere. It's a kind of "virtuous antisemitism" because it's a form of hatred at masquerades as social justice. And it's in this atmosphere that Lamar says all this.

All of this is brought together in the repetitive chorus: "Then not like us. They not like us." It's as hateful a chorus line as one can imagine. It compacts all the politics of resentment and harm and inauthenticity and directs it as Drake, the Jew masquerading as a black, the colleague who is just a colonizer. Except now it expands it not just to Drake, but to "they". And we know this conspiratorial pronoun very well.

The problem we have in identifying this rap as anti-Jewish, as based in a politics of rage and hate, is symptomatic of the problem we face in facing much anti-Jewish expression today that courses through the left and liberal political spheres, because it's all cleverly concealed behind the veil of social justice. The language is laced with these meanings in ways that the people who consume it feel without knowing. We have our work cut out for us in combatting this." - ethanzanemiller, Reddit
 
And you'll note the Palestinian flag flying at the end of the halftime show that they immediately removed from the spotlight. It's all in keeping. It's why I've never trucked with Kendrick after good kid m.A.A.d city

His politics are odious
 
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I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.
And that is why, despite enjoying Kendrick, I found that Super Bowl performance an odd choice. Could you imagine the NFL letting Tupac do a Super Bowl halftime in 1997 after releasing a similar massive diss track? Is it it different because they are just making accusations and not shooting each other?
Yes. Subtle lyrics that fly well over the head of 99% of people over 50 to suggest someone is a pedo ("a minor" lyrics) is vastly different than "you tried to be a player but I ####ed your wife"
 

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