****Super Bowl LIX - Kansas City 17-2 vs Philadelphia 17-3****(+1.5, 49.5) The Eagles are your 2024 Champions!!! (4 Viewers)

[Desert_Power]

I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.

And that is why, despite enjoying Kendrick, I found that Super Bowl performance an odd choice. Could you imagine the NFL letting Tupac do a Super Bowl halftime in 1997 after releasing a similar massive diss track? Is it it different because they are just making accusations and not shooting each other?

Yes. Subtle lyrics that fly well over the head of 99% of people over 50 to suggest someone is a pedo ("a minor" lyrics) is vastly different than "you tried to be a player but I ####ed your wife"

I'd love to hear what censored version of Hit em Up they would use for that.

I get it is different. But it's still weird.

 

[need2know]

Havent watched a halftime show in 20 years

 

[N Zone]

Halftime show sucked. I changed the channel after about a minute in and watched Seinfeld.

 

[Insein]

Halftime show sucked. I changed the channel after about a minute in and watched Seinfeld.

I used the time to get stuff I needed done for Monday out of the way. Perfect amount of time.

 

[Faust]

Fox projects Super Bowl averaged record 126M U.S. viewers

 

[Faust]

Super Bowl 2025: How the Eagles dominated the Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes

Super Bowl 2025: Five Chiefs-Eagles plays that defined the game

 

[rockaction]

Fox projects Super Bowl averaged record 126M U.S. viewers

Bread and circuses? How many Canadians watched? Or is the Four Nations thing already revving up north of the border?

 

[Faust]

Canadian television ratings for Super Bowl LIX fall 15 percent year-over-year

4 Nations Face-Off schedule 2025: Full dates, times, scores, TV channels, live streams to watch every hockey game

 

[rockaction]

I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.

And that is why, despite enjoying Kendrick, I found that Super Bowl performance an odd choice. Could you imagine the NFL letting Tupac do a Super Bowl halftime in 1997 after releasing a similar massive diss track? Is it it different because they are just making accusations and not shooting each other?

I'm a long-time Hip-Hop fan, and I thoroughly enjoyed Kendrick's performance. He's an extremely talented artist, and his performance was provocative, creative and thoughtful.

He trolled Drake, and he also trolled Trump with "The Revolution is about to be televised. Y'all picked the right time, but the wrong guy".

literally the best show with a message beyond music in halftime show history, it’s no surprise what the demographic of the haters is…

What was his message, pray tell?

uncle sam who said he was too loud, too reckless, too ghetto. a divided flag and saying we picked the wrong one. plenty of drake beef as well with sony/music/serena/sza

Right. Divisive to begin with and further complicated by what I posted upthread about his “beef” with Drake. But some people are going to like that. I’ve followed Lamar since his very first radio single and I don’t truck with his vibe no more.

 

[Soulfly3]

I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.

And that is why, despite enjoying Kendrick, I found that Super Bowl performance an odd choice. Could you imagine the NFL letting Tupac do a Super Bowl halftime in 1997 after releasing a similar massive diss track? Is it it different because they are just making accusations and not shooting each other?

I'm a long-time Hip-Hop fan, and I thoroughly enjoyed Kendrick's performance. He's an extremely talented artist, and his performance was provocative, creative and thoughtful.

He trolled Drake, and he also trolled Trump with "The Revolution is about to be televised. Y'all picked the right time, but the wrong guy".

literally the best show with a message beyond music in halftime show history, it’s no surprise what the demographic of the haters is…

What was his message, pray tell?

uncle sam who said he was too loud, too reckless, too ghetto. a divided flag and saying we picked the wrong one. plenty of drake beef as well with sony/music/serena/sza

Right. Divisive to begin with and further complicated by what I posted upthread about his “beef” with Drake. But some people are going to like that. I’ve followed Lamar since his very first radio single and I don’t truck with his vibe no more.

Feb 2025 and he's still milking every single drop from a beef 75% of the nation has no idea about (nor cares about)... A world in which attention spans move onto the next topic within hours, if not days... And yet here he is, still riding another man's (much bigger) wave to make a dollar. And still calling him a pedo. And still calling said person "not black", simply for the approval of tiktok kids.

Didn't watch, don't care... But Kendo had no business doing halftime, and is lame regardless. The videos of the crowd during his performance tell the entire story. You might as well have has the teletubbies up there - tho the crowd would've known their lyrics at least.

 

[renesauz]

The Chiefs this year were clearly a very good team but I never thought they were great. Probably should have lost four or five games. I was surprised to see the line at -1.5 in early betting and claimed that the line would come to a pick 'em due to the sheer studs on the Eagles roster. Hard to believe that never happened in retrospect.

been shouting this for several weeks now. Caught a lot of grief for it too

 

[Joe Bryant]

We don't get all these right, but we got this one right.

https://www.footballguys.com/article/2024-passing-matchups-week22


Bad Passing Matchup

Kansas City vs Philadelphia
Like most of the season, Patrick Mahomes II has done just enough to win throughout the playoffs, as this is a flawed passing unit. In their two playoff games this postseason, the Chiefs are averaging just 211 passing yards per game, slightly below his season average of 231, the lowest of his career. Despite Christian Benford leaving early in the Bills game, the Chiefs were unable to take advantage of the extremely favorable matchup and threw for just 245 yards. The issue that has haunted Kansas City throughout the season has been consistency at the wide receiver position. Xavier Worthy has established himself as the number one receiver in Kansas City as he has 40 yards or more in nine straight games. Outside of Worthy, the Chiefs just have not had any consistency from JuJu Smith-Schuster, Marquise Brown, or DeAndre Hopkins. Throughout the playoffs, Hopkins has been a complete non-factor, as he has just one catch on three targets, and his snap counts have fallen from 50% to about 20% throughout the postseason. Brown has picked up those snaps as he's been at 65% in each of the two playoff games, but he has just three receptions on seven targets for 35 yards total in the two postseason games. The key piece to this passing offense is Travis Kelce. Kelce was dominant in their Divisional Round victory against the Texans as he had 117 yards and a touchdown, but he was largely a non-factor last week as he had just two receptions for 19 yards against Buffalo as he was kept into chip block Von Miller while Buffalo did a great job taking him away with the combination of Matt Milano and the safeties Damar Hamlin and Taylor Rapp. Kelce had his 14-game playoff streak of 70+ receiving yards snapped against Buffalo, and it will be critical for him this week to have a significant impact in this game.

Philadelphia has built a juggernaut of defense almost overnight through the draft. The Eagles spent their first- and second-round picks on cornerbacks and have hit on two of the best rookie cornerbacks in the draft. Both Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean have been outstanding, which has led the Eagles to the fewest passing yards per game during the regular season at just 192. Even more impressive is that they allowed just 6.0 yards per attempt, which led the NFL by over half a yard. Throughout the postseason, the Eagles have seen an increase in opponent passing success, but that is largely due to game script and volume as they're allowing 263 passing yards per game but just 6.3 yards per attempt, which is still elite as each of their past two opponents has needed to throw more than 40 times per game. In the playoffs, the Eagles have been outstanding at forcing turnovers as they have four interceptions in their three games, along with six fumble recoveries as their defensive backs and linebackers are some of the best in the NFL in punching the ball out of receivers hands.

 

[unckeyherb]

Betting the over unless that number starts with a 7

You think the eagles might get 50 again? Cause the chiefs aren’t scoring more than 20-25

I still think KC has another gear they can get to if they need it. As a pretty neutral fan, I hope Philly can push them to the end at least. I'm expecting KC to do what they do though and score almost every time early and manage the game late.

Eagles really don't give up more than 25 points (and frankly its more like 20) to anyone. I mean, they gave up 23 to Washington, 20 to the Rams, 10 to the Packers in their three playoff games. Prior to that-going back to the bye week-they gave up 13, 7, 36*,13, 16, 19, 20, 18, 6, 23, 17, 3 and 16 points. They just don't let the opposing offense get going and I don't really see that changing in two weeks. As amazing as Mahomes and Andy are, prior to last night's 32 point performance, when was the last time they dropped a 30+ point bomb on an opposing team? 30 against the Panthers in week 11?

*I view this as an outlier game because Jalen Hurts got knocked out in the second drive and CJGJ got ejected from the game. Prior to that happening, Washington wasn't doing much on offense. Once he left, they scored 22 points.

Eagles really don't give up more than 25 points (and frankly its more like 20) to anyone. I mean, they gave up 23 to Washington, 20 to the Rams, 10 to the Packers in their three playoff games. Prior to that-going back to the bye week-they gave up 13, 7, 36*,13, 16, 19, 20, 18, 6, 23, 17, 3 and 16 points.

Anything that happened up until this point really doesn't matter. But the same thing could be said about the Chiefs defense. The last time they allowed 31 or more points was against the Eagles in the SB. The last time they allowed 31+ points and lost was in the 2021 season. Since you mentioned 25 points, PHI had games this season where they gave up 36, 33, and 29 points. Ignoring Week 18, KC had games where they allowed 30, 29, and 27. The Chiefs don't really care how many points they score or how many points they allow . . . as long as they outscore their opponent by 1 point. It's hard to really assess teams when the point different between them is so vastly different . . . so far this year the Eagles are +210 points vs. +71 for KCC. On paper, it looks like PHI should win . . . but the Chiefs seem to always do enough to come out on top.

I'll reiterate that 36 point game you listed was with Jalen going out on the second drive and CJGJ getting ejected. Again, Washington was struggling on offense until both of those things happened. Before CJGJ went out, Washington went downs on 4 plays, fumble, punt, TD, fumble, TD, punt, Interception, fumble. CJGJ got ejected on the that last fumble play. Then Washington went TD, TD, Int, TD.

The 29 points they gave up was week 1 in Brazil and the 33 points was the week 4 loss to TB right before the bye. After the bye is when they got Cooper Dejean on the field for the first time due to injury and they basically never gave up more than 20 points again.

This does not inspire confidence

So, I was curious about Vic’s record against Big Red. Not looking so good for Philly. Different teams, different times, etc. but Andy will exploit the holes in that zone, especially with the resurgence that their WRs have had late.

If you look at the numbers, he's held Andy Reid offenses to around 22-25 points. What's not to like?

ETA: If I told Eagles fans the Chiefs will score between 22-25 points (Reid's teams have averaged 25 points against Fangio Ds), would you be happy or worried?

Its what I've been saying for weeks. This defense allows 20 points or less basically every week. If they hold the Chiefs to 20-25 points, they win the game.

This does not inspire confidence

So, I was curious about Vic’s record against Big Red. Not looking so good for Philly. Different teams, different times, etc. but Andy will exploit the holes in that zone, especially with the resurgence that their WRs have had late.

Yeah, this is kind of the elephant in the room that people haven't thought of much (I also don't watch much analysis on TV about this).

You make a very good point here.

If the question is who do I have more faith in, Fangio, or Jonathan "already one foot out the door" Gannon, I am happy to have my money on Fangio even with that 0-8 record.

Yeah ya know I'm just kinda looking thru the stats and team rankings of this team, the 2022 team, and that 2020 TB team. That TB team was 21st in pass Defense, but 1st against the run, 3rd in pressure rating, 5th in sacks.

This team vs 2022 Eagles its wildly different - 15th in sacks and 28th in pressure rating. Both are/were #1 against the pass, just different how it was achieved. 1st overall this year, 3rd overall in 2022. We are a bit better overall this year IMO, since we are also 10th ranked against the run this year, and we were showing signs of being susceptible to the run in 2022 with the 17th ranked run D, and that was certainly exploited in SB52.

Just feel its going to be much much different as far as our defensive performance this go round.

I posted earlier but the only area of “deficiency” this defense has versus the ‘22 team is pass rush and specifically edge rushers. They almost set the record for sacks that year. Thing is, with the field conditions, that element of the defense was completely nullified.

This team has better middle Dline play, better LBers, better defensive backfield and better coaching/scheme.

Over 48.5 feels pretty solid.

I'm liking the under here, just barely though. Neither team gives up a ton of points, Philly is 2nd in scoring D and KC is 4th.

KC moves to 13th if you look at points allowed per drive. The defense is on the field less than anyone in the league and knows how to close out games with a lead. I don't expect KC's defense can win them the game. They need Mahomes to put them in the same position he usually does.

I don't know, looking at how the teams are built, everything is telling me that KC is going to have a tough time scoring a bunch of points (I've seen people predict 30+ for them). They're one dimensional on offense. Their RZ efficiency isn't great. Their defense doesn't get many turnovers. They have to fight and claw to put points on the board. I have a hard time seeing them getting 30 on Sunday.

I'll be shocked if KC puts up 30+. Honestly, I don't see them scoring more than 20-24 points.

If it’s a close game I give the Chiefs the edge. They just seem to always do just enough to win (this is the Mahomes factor imo). That doesn’t mean the eagles can’t win a close one, just a slight edge to KC. If there is a 10+ point gap in the fourth quarter I think that HEAVILY favors the birds. I just think that KC is going to struggle to put up more than 23-24 points against this defense (just like every other team they’ve played since week 4).

The question is whether the Birds can put up 28+. If Jalen does what he’s been doing since the bye and doesn’t turn it over, the eagles are damn near unbeatable. If he throws a pick or fumbles the ball then it’s up in the air. I think he’s on a mission to right the wrong if 2022. Expect the eagles to win this one by double digits. This offense is just too good and the defense is one of the best units I’ve ever seen in Midnight green.

The Mahomes magic dies tomorrow and people will have to admit to Jalen’s greatness.

Eagles win 34-24

ETA: everyone keeps stroking Spags and his blitzes, which is all deserved. Hurts’ legs and Saquons speed and patience are great equalizers there. KC better be careful with bringing the heat because if Saquon can get through or around that initial crush, there won’t be much left to stop him and he’ll take it to the house. I fully expect at least one 50+ yard TD from him because of this.

This defense did exactly what I thought they'd do. For 17 weeks in a row, they just never let teams score into even the mid 20's. This Super Bowl was such a redemption to last year's atrocious defense and '22's loss. The job that Moore, Fangio and Nick did this year to right the ship after arguably the biggest collapse in Philadelphia sports' history is nothing short of miraculous. I couldn't be prouder to be an Eagles fan. Onto Broad Street.

 

[GoBirds]

Betting the over unless that number starts with a 7

You think the eagles might get 50 again? Cause the chiefs aren’t scoring more than 20-25

I still think KC has another gear they can get to if they need it. As a pretty neutral fan, I hope Philly can push them to the end at least. I'm expecting KC to do what they do though and score almost every time early and manage the game late.

Eagles really don't give up more than 25 points (and frankly its more like 20) to anyone. I mean, they gave up 23 to Washington, 20 to the Rams, 10 to the Packers in their three playoff games. Prior to that-going back to the bye week-they gave up 13, 7, 36*,13, 16, 19, 20, 18, 6, 23, 17, 3 and 16 points. They just don't let the opposing offense get going and I don't really see that changing in two weeks. As amazing as Mahomes and Andy are, prior to last night's 32 point performance, when was the last time they dropped a 30+ point bomb on an opposing team? 30 against the Panthers in week 11?

*I view this as an outlier game because Jalen Hurts got knocked out in the second drive and CJGJ got ejected from the game. Prior to that happening, Washington wasn't doing much on offense. Once he left, they scored 22 points.

Eagles really don't give up more than 25 points (and frankly its more like 20) to anyone. I mean, they gave up 23 to Washington, 20 to the Rams, 10 to the Packers in their three playoff games. Prior to that-going back to the bye week-they gave up 13, 7, 36*,13, 16, 19, 20, 18, 6, 23, 17, 3 and 16 points.

Anything that happened up until this point really doesn't matter. But the same thing could be said about the Chiefs defense. The last time they allowed 31 or more points was against the Eagles in the SB. The last time they allowed 31+ points and lost was in the 2021 season. Since you mentioned 25 points, PHI had games this season where they gave up 36, 33, and 29 points. Ignoring Week 18, KC had games where they allowed 30, 29, and 27. The Chiefs don't really care how many points they score or how many points they allow . . . as long as they outscore their opponent by 1 point. It's hard to really assess teams when the point different between them is so vastly different . . . so far this year the Eagles are +210 points vs. +71 for KCC. On paper, it looks like PHI should win . . . but the Chiefs seem to always do enough to come out on top.

I'll reiterate that 36 point game you listed was with Jalen going out on the second drive and CJGJ getting ejected. Again, Washington was struggling on offense until both of those things happened. Before CJGJ went out, Washington went downs on 4 plays, fumble, punt, TD, fumble, TD, punt, Interception, fumble. CJGJ got ejected on the that last fumble play. Then Washington went TD, TD, Int, TD.

The 29 points they gave up was week 1 in Brazil and the 33 points was the week 4 loss to TB right before the bye. After the bye is when they got Cooper Dejean on the field for the first time due to injury and they basically never gave up more than 20 points again.

This does not inspire confidence

So, I was curious about Vic’s record against Big Red. Not looking so good for Philly. Different teams, different times, etc. but Andy will exploit the holes in that zone, especially with the resurgence that their WRs have had late.

If you look at the numbers, he's held Andy Reid offenses to around 22-25 points. What's not to like?

ETA: If I told Eagles fans the Chiefs will score between 22-25 points (Reid's teams have averaged 25 points against Fangio Ds), would you be happy or worried?

Its what I've been saying for weeks. This defense allows 20 points or less basically every week. If they hold the Chiefs to 20-25 points, they win the game.

This does not inspire confidence

So, I was curious about Vic’s record against Big Red. Not looking so good for Philly. Different teams, different times, etc. but Andy will exploit the holes in that zone, especially with the resurgence that their WRs have had late.

Yeah, this is kind of the elephant in the room that people haven't thought of much (I also don't watch much analysis on TV about this).

You make a very good point here.

If the question is who do I have more faith in, Fangio, or Jonathan "already one foot out the door" Gannon, I am happy to have my money on Fangio even with that 0-8 record.

Yeah ya know I'm just kinda looking thru the stats and team rankings of this team, the 2022 team, and that 2020 TB team. That TB team was 21st in pass Defense, but 1st against the run, 3rd in pressure rating, 5th in sacks.

This team vs 2022 Eagles its wildly different - 15th in sacks and 28th in pressure rating. Both are/were #1 against the pass, just different how it was achieved. 1st overall this year, 3rd overall in 2022. We are a bit better overall this year IMO, since we are also 10th ranked against the run this year, and we were showing signs of being susceptible to the run in 2022 with the 17th ranked run D, and that was certainly exploited in SB52.

Just feel its going to be much much different as far as our defensive performance this go round.

I posted earlier but the only area of “deficiency” this defense has versus the ‘22 team is pass rush and specifically edge rushers. They almost set the record for sacks that year. Thing is, with the field conditions, that element of the defense was completely nullified.

This team has better middle Dline play, better LBers, better defensive backfield and better coaching/scheme.

Over 48.5 feels pretty solid.

I'm liking the under here, just barely though. Neither team gives up a ton of points, Philly is 2nd in scoring D and KC is 4th.

KC moves to 13th if you look at points allowed per drive. The defense is on the field less than anyone in the league and knows how to close out games with a lead. I don't expect KC's defense can win them the game. They need Mahomes to put them in the same position he usually does.

I don't know, looking at how the teams are built, everything is telling me that KC is going to have a tough time scoring a bunch of points (I've seen people predict 30+ for them). They're one dimensional on offense. Their RZ efficiency isn't great. Their defense doesn't get many turnovers. They have to fight and claw to put points on the board. I have a hard time seeing them getting 30 on Sunday.

I'll be shocked if KC puts up 30+. Honestly, I don't see them scoring more than 20-24 points.

If it’s a close game I give the Chiefs the edge. They just seem to always do just enough to win (this is the Mahomes factor imo). That doesn’t mean the eagles can’t win a close one, just a slight edge to KC. If there is a 10+ point gap in the fourth quarter I think that HEAVILY favors the birds. I just think that KC is going to struggle to put up more than 23-24 points against this defense (just like every other team they’ve played since week 4).

The question is whether the Birds can put up 28+. If Jalen does what he’s been doing since the bye and doesn’t turn it over, the eagles are damn near unbeatable. If he throws a pick or fumbles the ball then it’s up in the air. I think he’s on a mission to right the wrong if 2022. Expect the eagles to win this one by double digits. This offense is just too good and the defense is one of the best units I’ve ever seen in Midnight green.

The Mahomes magic dies tomorrow and people will have to admit to Jalen’s greatness.

Eagles win 34-24

ETA: everyone keeps stroking Spags and his blitzes, which is all deserved. Hurts’ legs and Saquons speed and patience are great equalizers there. KC better be careful with bringing the heat because if Saquon can get through or around that initial crush, there won’t be much left to stop him and he’ll take it to the house. I fully expect at least one 50+ yard TD from him because of this.

This defense did exactly what I thought they'd do. For 17 weeks in a row, they just never let teams score into even the mid 20's. This Super Bowl was such a redemption to last year's atrocious defense and '22's loss. The job that Moore, Fangio and Nick did this year to right the ship after arguably the biggest collapse in Philadelphia sports' history is nothing short of miraculous. I couldn't be prouder to be an Eagles fan. Onto Broad Street.

Not to mention the only way Mahomes sniffed 20 was garbage time points mostly after starters were pulled. Heck of a performance.

 

[TheAristocrat]

This defense did exactly what I thought they'd do. For 17 weeks in a row, they just never let teams score into even the mid 20's. This Super Bowl was such a redemption to last year's atrocious defense and '22's loss. The job that Moore, Fangio and Nick did this year to right the ship after arguably the biggest collapse in Philadelphia sports' history is nothing short of miraculous. I couldn't be prouder to be an Eagles fan. Onto Broad Street.

To be fair, Philly held them to 14 and then Mahomes got one over on Doug and Bert and the rest of the 7th string defense from the Philly crowd in the stands. Good stuff and have a great time.

I had to cut out all of your correct analysis due to the character limit on posts.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Please keep this to football and drop the political shots.

 

[cheese]

I dunno man. My teenage daughter has gotten into Drake/Lamar, amongst other hip hop artists......and maybe I'm getting old, but most of what I've heard is just kinda nasty stuff......super degrading to women.

I consume hip hop and rap as an adult and would be completely unpsyched if my children listened to it at an impressionable age, especially if they thought it was cool/took it as a serious life guide instead of something much deeper and emblematic of a uniquely American problem/condition.

Kendrick lyrics are way tamer than Eminem lyrics or basically everyone from that generation. I think he just came 5 years too late for most of this board (we're old).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This defense did exactly what I thought they'd do. For 17 weeks in a row, they just never let teams score into even the mid 20's. This Super Bowl was such a redemption to last year's atrocious defense and '22's loss. The job that Moore, Fangio and Nick did this year to right the ship after arguably the biggest collapse in Philadelphia sports' history is nothing short of miraculous. I couldn't be prouder to be an Eagles fan. Onto Broad Street.

To be fair, Philly held them to 14 and then Mahomes got one over on Doug and Bert and the rest of the 7th string defense from the Philly crowd in the stands. Good stuff and have a great time.

I had to cut out all of your correct analysis due to the character limit on posts.

Also, to be fair, that game hit the over before the garbage time Worthy TD though. Eagles scored 40 of the 48.5 needed. Once the Chiefs got the 1st the game was a FG away with over a full quarter to play.

And to be faaaaaaaair, one could accurately describe the entire second half as “garbage time” for the chiefs. Soon as the Eagles got up 24-0 that game was over.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

We don't get all these right, but we got this one right.

https://www.footballguys.com/article/2024-passing-matchups-week22


Bad Passing Matchup

Kansas City vs Philadelphia
Like most of the season, Patrick Mahomes II has done just enough to win throughout the playoffs, as this is a flawed passing unit. In their two playoff games this postseason, the Chiefs are averaging just 211 passing yards per game, slightly below his season average of 231, the lowest of his career. Despite Christian Benford leaving early in the Bills game, the Chiefs were unable to take advantage of the extremely favorable matchup and threw for just 245 yards. The issue that has haunted Kansas City throughout the season has been consistency at the wide receiver position. Xavier Worthy has established himself as the number one receiver in Kansas City as he has 40 yards or more in nine straight games. Outside of Worthy, the Chiefs just have not had any consistency from JuJu Smith-Schuster, Marquise Brown, or DeAndre Hopkins. Throughout the playoffs, Hopkins has been a complete non-factor, as he has just one catch on three targets, and his snap counts have fallen from 50% to about 20% throughout the postseason. Brown has picked up those snaps as he's been at 65% in each of the two playoff games, but he has just three receptions on seven targets for 35 yards total in the two postseason games. The key piece to this passing offense is Travis Kelce. Kelce was dominant in their Divisional Round victory against the Texans as he had 117 yards and a touchdown, but he was largely a non-factor last week as he had just two receptions for 19 yards against Buffalo as he was kept into chip block Von Miller while Buffalo did a great job taking him away with the combination of Matt Milano and the safeties Damar Hamlin and Taylor Rapp. Kelce had his 14-game playoff streak of 70+ receiving yards snapped against Buffalo, and it will be critical for him this week to have a significant impact in this game.

Philadelphia has built a juggernaut of defense almost overnight through the draft. The Eagles spent their first- and second-round picks on cornerbacks and have hit on two of the best rookie cornerbacks in the draft. Both Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean have been outstanding, which has led the Eagles to the fewest passing yards per game during the regular season at just 192. Even more impressive is that they allowed just 6.0 yards per attempt, which led the NFL by over half a yard. Throughout the postseason, the Eagles have seen an increase in opponent passing success, but that is largely due to game script and volume as they're allowing 263 passing yards per game but just 6.3 yards per attempt, which is still elite as each of their past two opponents has needed to throw more than 40 times per game. In the playoffs, the Eagles have been outstanding at forcing turnovers as they have four interceptions in their three games, along with six fumble recoveries as their defensive backs and linebackers are some of the best in the NFL in punching the ball out of receivers hands.

Am I imagining things, or did I see a FBG email with a superbowl analysis that had the final score around 50?

Didn’t get there quite like the model predicted, but it got there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

 

[Snotbubbles]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

Not much they could do.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

Not much they could do.

Yep. As I said in the Eagles thread, this performance was as close as a defense can get to the '85 Bears given the rules of the modern NFL.

 

[sm8680]

With the youngest defense in the NFL, the potential for improvement is immense and quite intimidating. I was confident that both lines would perform exceptionally well. As someone pointed out, Kansas City had three Pro Bowlers on their offensive line. However, it appeared to me that Patrick Mahomes was constantly on the run, which seemed to affect the entire team's performance.

I won't point fingers at those who doubted Mekhi Becton, but I think he performed really well. It was heartwarming to see him celebrating with his son.

 

[Joe Bryant]

We don't get all these right, but we got this one right.

https://www.footballguys.com/article/2024-passing-matchups-week22


Bad Passing Matchup

Kansas City vs Philadelphia
Like most of the season, Patrick Mahomes II has done just enough to win throughout the playoffs, as this is a flawed passing unit. In their two playoff games this postseason, the Chiefs are averaging just 211 passing yards per game, slightly below his season average of 231, the lowest of his career. Despite Christian Benford leaving early in the Bills game, the Chiefs were unable to take advantage of the extremely favorable matchup and threw for just 245 yards. The issue that has haunted Kansas City throughout the season has been consistency at the wide receiver position. Xavier Worthy has established himself as the number one receiver in Kansas City as he has 40 yards or more in nine straight games. Outside of Worthy, the Chiefs just have not had any consistency from JuJu Smith-Schuster, Marquise Brown, or DeAndre Hopkins. Throughout the playoffs, Hopkins has been a complete non-factor, as he has just one catch on three targets, and his snap counts have fallen from 50% to about 20% throughout the postseason. Brown has picked up those snaps as he's been at 65% in each of the two playoff games, but he has just three receptions on seven targets for 35 yards total in the two postseason games. The key piece to this passing offense is Travis Kelce. Kelce was dominant in their Divisional Round victory against the Texans as he had 117 yards and a touchdown, but he was largely a non-factor last week as he had just two receptions for 19 yards against Buffalo as he was kept into chip block Von Miller while Buffalo did a great job taking him away with the combination of Matt Milano and the safeties Damar Hamlin and Taylor Rapp. Kelce had his 14-game playoff streak of 70+ receiving yards snapped against Buffalo, and it will be critical for him this week to have a significant impact in this game.

Philadelphia has built a juggernaut of defense almost overnight through the draft. The Eagles spent their first- and second-round picks on cornerbacks and have hit on two of the best rookie cornerbacks in the draft. Both Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean have been outstanding, which has led the Eagles to the fewest passing yards per game during the regular season at just 192. Even more impressive is that they allowed just 6.0 yards per attempt, which led the NFL by over half a yard. Throughout the postseason, the Eagles have seen an increase in opponent passing success, but that is largely due to game script and volume as they're allowing 263 passing yards per game but just 6.3 yards per attempt, which is still elite as each of their past two opponents has needed to throw more than 40 times per game. In the playoffs, the Eagles have been outstanding at forcing turnovers as they have four interceptions in their three games, along with six fumble recoveries as their defensive backs and linebackers are some of the best in the NFL in punching the ball out of receivers hands.

Am I imagining things, or did I see a FBG email with a superbowl analysis that had the final score around 50?

Didn’t get there quite like the model predicted, but it got there.

Not sure which email you mean. The over / under was 48.5 and our game predictor model is closely connected with Las Vegas lines so I expected about 50 points to be scored. But not in this way of course.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not sure which email you mean. The over / under was 48.5 and our game predictor model is closely connected with Las Vegas lines so I expected about 50 points to be scored. But not in this way of course.

It was one of the ones y'all sent on game-day or the day before. It was a brief breakdown with predictions for passing, rushing & scoring.

Sorry - you send me a lot of emails, so I can't say exactly which one it was. As I was also on the over, I liked seeing the implied total - but yeah, you had it like 29.x-28.x or something.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

Not much they could do.

I mean - there were a few things they could have done. I suggested a few. At the very least, with the game on the line call a time out and get everyone on the same page. That was the first back to back sack - they were still sort of in the game. But they just send everyone, and expected the same shaky OL to protect Mahomes when they'd not protected him all game to that point.

Easy to be post-game QB-ing it, but this is obvious stuff that we collectively observe in just about every game topic I can't remember ever seeing a team give up sacks like that and not make an adjustment to help their QB.

IIRC on the 2nd back-to-back series, they had a TE in to chip the rusher, but it was supposed to be a quick screen - and the TE completely whiffed, giving a free line to Mahomes. He had none chance. Why even call that play given the ease with which the defensive front was getting to Mahomes? Madness.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

With the youngest defense in the NFL, the potential for improvement is immense and quite intimidating. I was confident that both lines would perform exceptionally well. As someone pointed out, Kansas City had three Pro Bowlers on their offensive line. However, it appeared to me that Patrick Mahomes was constantly on the run, which seemed to affect the entire team's performance.

I won't point fingers at those who doubted Mekhi Becton, but I think he performed really well. It was heartwarming to see him celebrating with his son.

The Eagles' OL coach is the best at what he does. All underachieving linemen should want to come to Philly to revive their careers.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Havent watched a halftime show in 20 years

Same. Thats a bathroom break along with second dinner and drinks for me every SB lol

With the youngest defense in the NFL, the potential for improvement is immense and quite intimidating. I was confident that both lines would perform exceptionally well. As someone pointed out, Kansas City had three Pro Bowlers on their offensive line. However, it appeared to me that Patrick Mahomes was constantly on the run, which seemed to affect the entire team's performance.

I won't point fingers at those who doubted Mekhi Becton, but I think he performed really well. It was heartwarming to see him celebrating with his son.

The Eagles' OL coach is the best at what he does. All underachieving linemen should want to come to Philly to revive their careers.

And oddly enough, per Stoutland’s interview at the SB it was Sirianni who’s suggested to Stoutland to try Becton at guard.

 

[unckeyherb]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

Not much they could do.

I mean - there were a few things they could have done. I suggested a few. At the very least, with the game on the line call a time out and get everyone on the same page. That was the first back to back sack - they were still sort of in the game. But they just send everyone, and expected the same shaky OL to protect Mahomes when they'd not protected him all game to that point.

Easy to be post-game QB-ing it, but this is obvious stuff that we collectively observe in just about every game topic I can't remember ever seeing a team give up sacks like that and not make an adjustment to help their QB.

IIRC on the 2nd back-to-back series, they had a TE in to chip the rusher, but it was supposed to be a quick screen - and the TE completely whiffed, giving a free line to Mahomes. He had none chance. Why even call that play given the ease with which the defensive front was getting to Mahomes? Madness.

Those two sacks preceded the next play, which sent Mahomes into scramble mode again,missed a read and threw a pick six to Cooper. I agree it seemed like, and we were talking about it at my house, they were just not prepared to adapt to what was being thrown at them. It’s not like Fangio was bringing some exotic blitz packages. They brought four every single down. Never blitzed once. Just unbelievable.

 

[BoltNlava]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

 

[sm8680]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

They were probably filming a commercial. Honestly the best thing for this Pittsburgher is the following. I'm hoping I see less KC Chiefs commercials as a result of their Super Bowl smackdown.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

Thanks. Do you have link and the timeline?

 

[Lansdowne]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

 

[jasvic]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

Not much they could do.

I mean - there were a few things they could have done. I suggested a few. At the very least, with the game on the line call a time out and get everyone on the same page. That was the first back to back sack - they were still sort of in the game. But they just send everyone, and expected the same shaky OL to protect Mahomes when they'd not protected him all game to that point.

Easy to be post-game QB-ing it, but this is obvious stuff that we collectively observe in just about every game topic I can't remember ever seeing a team give up sacks like that and not make an adjustment to help their QB.

IIRC on the 2nd back-to-back series, they had a TE in to chip the rusher, but it was supposed to be a quick screen - and the TE completely whiffed, giving a free line to Mahomes. He had none chance. Why even call that play given the ease with which the defensive front was getting to Mahomes? Madness.

Guess you don't remember Osi Umenyiora night when he whooped on Winston Justice and Andy never adjusted. This game reminded me a lot of old school Andy with the Eagles and the things he did that drove us all crazy. Abandoning the run early, not adjusting to pressure, square peg/round hole stuff I thought he out grew. Don't misunderstand me, he was and is a great coach, but those flaws were infuriating. All that was missing was wasting timeouts and mismanaging the clock.

 

[Insein]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

Yea. Chiefs are still the team of the 2020's so far. Unless another team wins more for the 2nd half of the decade.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

Yea. Chiefs are still the team of the 2020's so far. Unless another team wins more for the 2nd half of the decade.

Eagles are set up for a good 2-3 year run.

 

[BoltNlava]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

Thanks. Do you have link and the timeline?

I think I read that on TMZ. Not sure . Something like 30 hours before?

Found it: https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/08/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-swarmed-by-fans-pre-super-bowl-dinner-date/

 

[Joe Bryant]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

Thanks. Do you have link and the timeline?

I think I read that on TMZ. Not sure . Something like 30 hours before?

Found it: https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/08/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-swarmed-by-fans-pre-super-bowl-dinner-date/

Thanks. The TMZ site said the dinner was Friday, right?

Was there something different in the Quarter a few hours before kickoff?

 

[BoltNlava]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

Thanks. Do you have link and the timeline?

I think I read that on TMZ. Not sure . Something like 30 hours before?

Found it: https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/08/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-swarmed-by-fans-pre-super-bowl-dinner-date/

Thanks. The TMZ site said the dinner was Friday, right?

Was there something different in the Quarter a few hours before kickoff?

Not that was reported. My point was- It was before the SB and the circus that follows took precedent over planning and preparations for the game. Just wondering if Jalen was spotted doing the same thing. I thought KC looked unprepared did you? Also it's really a day before because it was Friday night.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

Thanks. Do you have link and the timeline?

I think I read that on TMZ. Not sure . Something like 30 hours before?

Found it: https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/08/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-swarmed-by-fans-pre-super-bowl-dinner-date/

Thanks. The TMZ site said the dinner was Friday, right?

Was there something different in the Quarter a few hours before kickoff?

Not that was reported. My point was- It was before the SB and the circus that follows took precedent over planning and preparations for the game. Just wondering if Jalen was spotted doing the same thing. I thought KC looked unprepared did you? Also it's really a day before because it was Friday night.

Thanks. For a Sunday night game, I don't mind a guy having dinner with his girlfriend on Friday.

Especially for a veteran used to all the distractions of a Super Bowl.

Obviously, Kelce didn't play well Sunday. But I'd guess that was way more Vic Fangio than a dinner two days before.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But to your bigger point @BoltNlava, I agree and can see how it could be better for all players to stay out of public beyond the press stuff. I don't disagree there.

 

[renesauz]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

To be fair, there is NO good answer to turn things around when giving up consistent pressure to a 4 man pass rush. There just isn't

 

[renesauz]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

Certainly they were good...but this was probably the weakest of those 6 teams. For some strange reason this was going largely unrecognized by fans/media, even today

 

[Snotbubbles]

In any case, last night was one of those games where one team was going to win no matter the other's gameplan. Phi was much too dominant in the trenches.

Sometimes you just want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic

I agree they should have at least tried a different approach for sure and adjust to what was happening on the field.

Not only this, but what adjustments did the chiefs make when literally nothing they’d tried in the 1st half was working?

To my eye they looked like they just kept doing the same stuff hoping for better results.

One prop I missed ($20 at -130) on was Worthy rushing yards over 6.5 - he’d rushed for more pretty much every game. They didn’t give him a single attempt. That looked like free money - glad I didn’t bet the farm.

But that’s just another example of how small the Chiefs playbook became when they were down a couple of scores.

Also when the Eagles gave up the first 3-4 sacks, wouldn’t a smart OC bring in a TE or RB to help in pass pro? Or call a time out at least?

They gave up back to back sacks against a 4-man rush *twice* in this game. And called none time outs in the process. Never seen anything like it.

To be fair, there is NO good answer to turn things around when giving up consistent pressure to a 4 man pass rush. There just isn't

Well, not every team can get pressure with 4.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

The Packers won 5 NFL Championships in 7 years, '61-'67.

 

[Lansdowne]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

The Packers won 5 NFL Championships in 7 years, '61-'67.

Pre-merger, not the same level of competition. But if you wish to include them in the discussion then I don’t have a problem with it.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Let's be honest: Were the Chiefs ever really even that good?

They needed a last second ref bailout against the Eagles the first time, and the other 2 they got gifted with a game against career choke artist Kyle Shanahan. Their 2 losses they got absolutely smoked.

THREE SUPER BOWL WINS aka NFL CHAMPIONSHIPs in the last five years. Deal with it. They also won a lot of regular season and playoff games over the last several years.

It was 3 in the last 5 years until Sunday. Now it’s 3 in the last 6 years. Which is still impressive. Puts them in company with the 1970s Steelers, the 1980s 49ers, the 1990s Cowboys, the 2000s Patriots, and the 2010s Patriots.

The Packers won 5 NFL Championships in 7 years, '61-'67.

Pre-merger, not the same level of competition. But if you wish to include them in the discussion then I don’t have a problem with it.

Definitely not the same level of competition, nor was the game the same in the 70s or 80s, but the NFL counts them all as Championships in its record book so I include those teams in the discussion.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I bring this up often because I think he is a legit all-time-all-pro player….The best player in the Super Bowl is Chris Jones.

If the Eagles can stop him from wrecking shop on crucial downs they win. If they can’t, they don’t.

His PFF run defense grade is only above average (64.3, 38th/219 DL). If the Eagles just stay ahead of the chains, they can continue to run the ball on all downs to limit Jones' best asset, his pass rush (91.0, 1st/219 DL). I really think KC is going to crash Saquon on the RPOs, Hurts could have 15+ rushes this game. I would be looking at Hurts rushing prop bets, I think he's going to have a day running the ball.

WE got this game in the bag! GO BIRDS!!!!!!!!!

I'm taking these posts unironically. You have seen the light.

. I will be rooting for the Eagles for real because of this.

I’m not sure we can be friends anymore

I tried but I guess the good lord knew what was actually in my heart.

 

[GoBirds]

Mahomes and Travis seen at restaurants in the middle of the Quarter (with crew in tow), hours before kickoff isn't a great look either. I know you need to unwind and relax and really enjoy the success, but I think party was more evident here than business. Anyone have hurts and company doing the same?

If they were taking things lightly the non stop upper cuts they took throughout that game should teach them. They should be embarrassed on multiple levels.

 

[need2know]

Happy Birthday to the future Super Bowl MVP

Cooper Dejean

Hes gonna have a pick and a punt return td

got close with this