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Survivor Season 42: Starts Wednesday March 9, 2022 (3 Viewers)

In her exit interview with Dalton Ross, Shan said she wasn't around as much as she would have liked before tribal because she had to spend time with the medics because she hadn't pooped for 18 days. 😱

 
For the first time this season, I'm really looking forward to an episode.  Seeing how alliances form and re-form after last week's ouster seems like it will be fascinating.

 
Corporation said:
I agree it is those 5.  Ricard is growing on me as well, his gameplay has been really solid.  Erika really almost screwed that up royally but I understand why she did.

Updated rankings:

Come on guys, lets win!

  • Danny - Still like him by a pretty wide margin
  • Xander - Has done a really solid job of knowing when to play or hold an idol or advantage
  • Deshawn - Solid player but barely made this tier
Begrudging respect

  • Ricard - Excellent selections on who to take to the advantage and savage take out of Shan
  • Erika - It could have backfired horribly but a solid decision to split the vote once she knew her name was the fake name
Goat being drug to the end

  • Heather - No words needed
Only person left who would make me mad if they won

  • Liana - Drips with unearned arrogance
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Great summation.  Almost exactly how I feel at this point.  

 
Had a feeling that kind of episode was coming. Also have a feeling there will be plenty of people who don't like it.

I liked it. But didn't like the Monty Hall action. They're trying to replace strategy with something more random, which isn't so interesting to me.

 
El Floppo said:
Had a feeling that kind of episode was coming. Also have a feeling there will be plenty of people who don't like it.

I liked it. But didn't like the Monty Hall action. They're trying to replace strategy with something more random, which isn't so interesting to me.
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I don’t mind hitting the contestants with unexpected twists in general, but I don’t like twists that could force someone out of the game without a vote. I’m still not a fan of mandatory fire making at F4 but I understand why they do it (F4 votes had gotten predictable). This twist, I don’t understand why they did it.

 
El Floppo said:
Had a feeling that kind of episode was coming. Also have a feeling there will be plenty of people who don't like it.

I liked it. But didn't like the Monty Hall action. They're trying to replace strategy with something more random, which isn't so interesting to me.
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They stole that from Australian survivor. 

 
Have a feeling they will regret not taking out Richard. Pretty obvious at this point Heather is the drag along.. And pretty sure she knows it. One of these seasons a drag along will win.. Won't be this season, but soon. 

Next week I think we wave :bye:  to Ericka.

 
snogger said:
Have a feeling they will regret not taking out Richard. Pretty obvious at this point Heather is the drag along.. And pretty sure she knows it. One of these seasons a drag along will win.. Won't be this season, but soon. 

Next week I think we wave :bye:  to Ericka.
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They might also regret not taking out Xander, unless they are confident that this jury will not reward someone that young with big money.

 
snogger said:
One of these seasons a drag along will win.. Won't be this season, but soon. 
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I don’t agree, unless they change the type of people they cast. Since about S33, they have mainly cast fans of the game who understand it is a game and don’t take most moves personally. And a drag-along will only win if the jury is personally angry at the other two finalists. The kind of bitter juries that Russell Hantz faced are probably a thing of the past. 

 
simey said:
The discussion in tribal made me cry, especially with how emotional Deshawn was.
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Now that the racial lines have been drawn on Survivor for Danny or Deshawn to win it all it would behoove them for one of them to be on the jury to get the black vote.  That would be 3 automatic votes for one of them and probably assure a victory.  This is getting more and more like real politics.  They have a bigger voting block than the hispanic and gay vote. But is might seem misogynistic if they don`t vote for a female.

 
El Floppo said:
Had a feeling that kind of episode was coming. Also have a feeling there will be plenty of people who don't like it.

I liked it. But didn't like the Monty Hall action. They're trying to replace strategy with something more random, which isn't so interesting to me.
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I thought the episode was really well done all the way around.  I liked the strategy of whether to play or sit. The discussion and emotion they showed during tribal felt very real and was emotional.  I would have absolutely gone home on the Monty Hall problem, I was yelling to switch (and it's still the right call regardless of the outcome).

Xander had no confidence in Erika and used his vote.  What I'm not sure about is whether he gets to vote twice again in a revote (I don't think he does, but that is a pure guess).  If he doesn't get to reuse it, then it is a waste because on the revote Erika's side wins without Xander's extra vote.  If he can reuse it, then the strategy would be different, but if he can't then I think it was a bad move by both.  I think it will be one Erika regrets because she missed a chance to take out the top player, and Xander will regret it because he wasted his extra vote (again I consider it a waste if he doesn't get to reuse it, his best case scenario was to force a tie if Erika voted for him).

Updated rankings:

Let's win this:

  • Danny - has been my favorite all season.  A good player and I think a better person
  • Deshawn - an emotional player, which leads to up and down performances
  • Xander - When he started the "I'm in the top alliance" talk I thought well it may be his time to go. I was put off by him this week, I thought he wasted his extra vote, but I did feel like his tribal talk was authentic
Deserving winner if it ends up that way:

  • Ricard has been the best player this year, from challenges to social game to strategy.  No complaints if he wins
You coulda been a contender:

  • Erika - It feels like she's been on the cusp of something big game-wise the entire season, and other than the reverse time thing that literally everyone would have picked, she hasn't done much. Big missed opportunity tonight
Goat

  • Heather
  • Liana - moved her up (or Heather down depending on how you look at it).  She is still annoying and I'll be disappointed if either of these 2 win, but Liana came off a little better in this episode.
 
Summer Wheat said:
Now that the racial lines have been drawn on Survivor for Danny or Deshawn to win it all it would behoove them for one of them to be on the jury to get the black vote.  That would be 3 automatic votes for one of them and probably assure a victory.  This is getting more and more like real politics.  They have a bigger voting block than the hispanic and gay vote. But is might seem misogynistic if they don`t vote for a female.
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I didn't perceive the tribal discussion that way at all. If I were on the jury what was discussed would not sway my vote, but as a human being, I appreciate Deshawn, Danny, and Liana expressing their feelings. I found it educational and not political. 

 
simey said:
I didn't perceive the tribal discussion that way at all. If I were on the jury what was discussed would not sway my vote, but as a human being, I appreciate Deshawn, Danny, and Liana expressing their feelings. I found it educational and not political. 
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We will see how the vote plays out.   Richard is the winner right now is he is not ousted.

 
I enjoyed the episode. The Monty Hall thing didn't bother me too much since there was a lot of strategy surrounding it (initial choice of competing, requiring backup plans, etc), but I do agree with Pip's general feelings against people getting booted without a vote.

The race talk was also pretty well done. It does feel a little bit awkward every time they show Erika or Naseer during these kinds of discussions, though.

It also feels at least a little bit non-pc that the one contestant with an Asian ethnicity gets referred to as "sneaky" at least once or twice an episode, even when there's little evidence that she's any different from any other player.

 
I kind of liked the random part but what I didn’t like is that you know Jeff knew exactly what was in each box because he obviously had to open a skull to then have the choice to trade in his box.

I don’t think there was foul play but I’ll be honest, I did notice that the little bit of paper on top of the boxes was curled a bit on the first one and as soon as I saw it I thought the first box was fire.

Decent episode overall, good discussion that unlike the “guys” thing with Ricard at the start, didn’t seem coerced for the show. Xander did mess up but Erika was a bit squirrelly and I don’t blame Xander for guaranteeing Liana is gone especially since he still has an idol. Ricard isn’t dumb and probably knows that Deshawn or Danny could beat him with Shan, Liana and Deshawn or Danny on the jury. I think he knows his current final four is the only way he wins. I don’t know if Xander has thought that far or Erika. 

 
jhib said:
I enjoyed the episode. The Monty Hall thing didn't bother me too much since there was a lot of strategy surrounding it (initial choice of competing, requiring backup plans, etc), but I do agree with Pip's general feelings against people getting booted without a vote.

The race talk was also pretty well done. It does feel a little bit awkward every time they show Erika or Naseer during these kinds of discussions, though.

It also feels at least a little bit non-pc that the one contestant with an Asian ethnicity gets referred to as "sneaky" at least once or twice an episode, even when there's little evidence that she's any different from any other player.
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Per exit interviews, Erika got that perception because she refused to talk strategy early in the game so everyone assumed she had something going on in secret. But the edit didn’t show that, so unfortunately it comes off as the rest of the cast engaging in a stereotype.

I like the mechanic of “bad consequences for the first one out of the challenge,” I just don’t like those consequences to be “at risk of elimination without a vote.” Maybe send them to Exile Island so they can’t strategize?

 
stbugs said:
I kind of liked the random part but what I didn’t like is that you know Jeff knew exactly what was in each box because he obviously had to open a skull to then have the choice to trade in his box.

I don’t think there was foul play but I’ll be honest, I did notice that the little bit of paper on top of the boxes was curled a bit on the first one and as soon as I saw it I thought the first box was fire.

Decent episode overall, good discussion that unlike the “guys” thing with Ricard at the start, didn’t seem coerced for the show. Xander did mess up but Erika was a bit squirrelly and I don’t blame Xander for guaranteeing Liana is gone especially since he still has an idol. Ricard isn’t dumb and probably knows that Deshawn or Danny could beat him with Shan, Liana and Deshawn or Danny on the jury. I think he knows his current final four is the only way he wins. I don’t know if Xander has thought that far or Erika. 
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Shan might well vote Ricard over Deshawn/Danny. They were allies the whole game and upfront about having to betray each other at some point. Whereas she never expected Deshawn and Danny to betray her. 

Liana and Deshawn/Danny are definitely voting for Deshawn or Danny if they make FTC. 

I was pleasantly surprised by the vote because we’re at the point of the game where the person perceived as having the highest threat level goes, and instead someone with almost no shot to win got booted. Yes, that was a function of Danny and Deshawn being immune, but it’s nice to see at least four people who are true winner candidates still in the game at F6. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Shan might well vote Ricard over Deshawn/Danny. They were allies the whole game and upfront about having to betray each other at some point. Whereas she never expected Deshawn and Danny to betray her. 

Liana and Deshawn/Danny are definitely voting for Deshawn or Danny if they make FTC. 

I was pleasantly surprised by the vote because we’re at the point of the game where the person perceived as having the highest threat level goes, and instead someone with almost no shot to win got booted. Yes, that was a function of Danny and Deshawn being immune, but it’s nice to see at least four people who are true winner candidates still in the game at F6. 
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She might but I think if it’s say Ricard and Deshawn at the end and she’s the swing vote, do you think she might feel pressure to vote Deshawn even if she felt Ricard was the best player? In this new age, I feel like there would be a #### ton of social media and personal pressure she’d feel if she gave the million to the white male. I hope everyone just votes the way they want, regardless of what their reasoning is.

 
Liked the segment on Danny and his father. Agree with those that don't care for the idea of someone going home without being voted off.  Deshaun's challenge was ok but I thought it was going to be a fire building challenge against the clock.  Would have preferred that.  

When Deshaun made the vote I thought Liana was going to do the shot in the dark.  They were still down 4-3 in the voting and both Deshaun and Danny were safe.  After Ricard voted out Shan, what did she think was going to happen?  

Heather is ok being taken to the finals.

Xander seems to be flying a bit under the radar but I'm sure Ricard is soon to address that.  Xander used his extra vote (wondering if Ricard convinced him to do that) but still has his idol.  I'm sure they'll be looking to flush that next. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Per exit interviews, Erika got that perception because she refused to talk strategy early in the game so everyone assumed she had something going on in secret. But the edit didn’t show that, so unfortunately it comes off as the rest of the cast engaging in a stereotype.

I like the mechanic of “bad consequences for the first one out of the challenge,” I just don’t like those consequences to be “at risk of elimination without a vote.” Maybe send them to Exile Island so they can’t strategize?
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Yeah, I guess I'm not really blaming the contestants - I would just assume they're calling each other sneaky all the time - but more the editing choices to get those specific quotes in every episode.

 
stbugs said:
I kind of liked the random part but what I didn’t like is that you know Jeff knew exactly what was in each box because he obviously had to open a skull to then have the choice to trade in his box.

I don’t think there was foul play but I’ll be honest, I did notice that the little bit of paper on top of the boxes was curled a bit on the first one and as soon as I saw it I thought the first box was fire.

Decent episode overall, good discussion that unlike the “guys” thing with Ricard at the start, didn’t seem coerced for the show. Xander did mess up but Erika was a bit squirrelly and I don’t blame Xander for guaranteeing Liana is gone especially since he still has an idol. Ricard isn’t dumb and probably knows that Deshawn or Danny could beat him with Shan, Liana and Deshawn or Danny on the jury. I think he knows his current final four is the only way he wins. I don’t know if Xander has thought that far or Erika. 
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First bolded ... do you know the Monty Hall puzzle?  It only works BECAUSE Jeff knows.

Second bolded ... he didn't guarantee it though.  If Ericka had flipped, all Xander would have done is guarantee a tie vote.

 
One thing about the Monty Hall twist, in some ways it could be seen as a viable option for people; if you feel you're on the bottom, but have no real chance of winning the immunity challenge, you throw it and give yourself decent odds at immunity, rather than being voted off.  A lot better odds than the shot in the dark.  

 
bryhamm said:
First bolded ... do you know the Monty Hall puzzle?  It only works BECAUSE Jeff knows.

Second bolded ... he didn't guarantee it though.  If Ericka had flipped, all Xander would have done is guarantee a tie vote.
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Yes, I’m well aware, watched the show a long time ago and it’s been posted in here a dozen times. I didn’t like that he was aware and if you read further, I noticed the first box because of the curled paper and in the back of my mind I thought I’ll bet it’s that one. It turned out to be that one. I don’t think they were giving it away but I really didn’t like the game.

You are correct, there would have been a revote. I should have said it would negate a flop deciding it without a revote.

 
parrot said:
One thing about the Monty Hall twist, in some ways it could be seen as a viable option for people; if you feel you're on the bottom, but have no real chance of winning the immunity challenge, you throw it and give yourself decent odds at immunity, rather than being voted off.  A lot better odds than the shot in the dark.  
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Agree, although they didn't know it was going to be the MH choice.  They were just told it would be a separate challenge for the first out.

Doesn't the Monty Hall choice always come down to 50/50?  Better than a 1 in 6 chance or whatever the shot in the dark is.

 
Jayrok said:
Agree, although they didn't know it was going to be the MH choice.  They were just told it would be a separate challenge for the first out.

Doesn't the Monty Hall choice always come down to 50/50?  Better than a 1 in 6 chance or whatever the shot in the dark is.
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It's 66/33 I think, in the player's favor.  I thought Jeff said specifically it would be a "game of chance" rather than a separate challenge.  If I'm drawing dead elsewhere in the game, I wouldn't hate the sound of that even if I'm thinking coin-flip odds.   

 
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stbugs said:
Yes, I’m well aware, watched the show a long time ago and it’s been posted in here a dozen times. I didn’t like that he was aware and if you read further, I noticed the first box because of the curled paper and in the back of my mind I thought I’ll bet it’s that one. It turned out to be that one. I don’t think they were giving it away but I really didn’t like the game.

You are correct, there would have been a revote. I should have said it would negate a flop deciding it without a revote.
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But it can't be a Monty Hall puzzle if he is NOT aware.

 
Jayrok said:
Agree, although they didn't know it was going to be the MH choice.  They were just told it would be a separate challenge for the first out.

Doesn't the Monty Hall choice always come down to 50/50?  Better than a 1 in 6 chance or whatever the shot in the dark is.
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No.  It seems like it, but it is always a 67/33 split

 
Pip's Invitation said:
I like the mechanic of “bad consequences for the first one out of the challenge,” I just don’t like those consequences to be “at risk of elimination without a vote.” Maybe send them to Exile Island so they can’t strategize?
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What if the first person out always lost their vote?  That could really shake up voting numbers.  It would also make it tougher to drag a goat to the end if they were consistently losing challenges and had no vote to help an alliance.  

 
stbugs said:
She might but I think if it’s say Ricard and Deshawn at the end and she’s the swing vote, do you think she might feel pressure to vote Deshawn even if she felt Ricard was the best player? In this new age, I feel like there would be a #### ton of social media and personal pressure she’d feel if she gave the million to the white male. I hope everyone just votes the way they want, regardless of what their reasoning is.
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Ricard is Hispanic, so he’s not a standard “white male.”

However, Shan’s behavior on social media indicates she doesn’t really care what other people think of her, so I don’t think “what will they think of my vote on social media” crossed her mind. 

 
jhib said:
Yeah, I guess I'm not really blaming the contestants - I would just assume they're calling each other sneaky all the time - but more the editing choices to get those specific quotes in every episode.
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It’s possible she makes FTC and it comes up there. Sometimes the editing choices before the finale foreshadow what happens in the finale.

 
parrot said:
What if the first person out always lost their vote?  That could really shake up voting numbers.  It would also make it tougher to drag a goat to the end if they were consistently losing challenges and had no vote to help an alliance.  
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I’d be fine with that. I have no problems with consequences for people that suck at challenges. Just not consequences that get people booted without a vote.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Ricard is Hispanic, so he’s not a standard “white male.”

However, Shan’s behavior on social media indicates she doesn’t really care what other people think of her, so I don’t think “what will they think of my vote on social media” crossed her mind. 
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I agree.

In an interview with her, I think it is interesting how she felt the island helped her MS. Here is what she said when asked if she was scared she would have a flare up:

"Surprisingly, I was so terrified that I was going to have a flare up when I was out there in Fiji, but there was something that was so healing. I don't know if it was electromagnetic. I don't know if it was just being around a lot of green, and a lot of blue, and the sky, and it's a really warm climate, or the sand and being by the water. I don't know, but I felt like I healed in a lot of ways. For my MS, I had optic neuritis, so I couldn't see out of my right eye for a little while, and my left side just was my left shoulder. And I feel like I healed a lot when I was out there, surprisingly. My body just really, really healed.

I mean, I've done eight rounds of chemo Lemtrada. But when I was out there, I really felt my body just healing and just wellness being a part of my journey out there. And that, for me, has been a big, pivotal moment for me in coming back home. I've always been plant-based, but now just recognizing the importance of environment, and nature, and climate, and energy and the people that are around you, it was a joy to be out there."

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Ricard is Hispanic, so he’s not a standard “white male.”

However, Shan’s behavior on social media indicates she doesn’t really care what other people think of her, so I don’t think “what will they think of my vote on social media” crossed her mind. 
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I don’t know his full background, but I was more just emphasizing he’s not black. He wasn’t brought into the discussions of the 4. You may be right about Shan but I was just thinking that if the situation arises (deciding vote), it wouldn’t shock me if it crossed her mind. I hope she votes her way. The again, I don’t know how much the Ponderosa folks talk and whether or not they really know all the numbers before the final vote.

 
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Mr. Mojo said:
A good episode made better by Shan sulking like someone just let some stinky wind go right in front of her.
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This is exactly what I told my wife when they first showed her.  "It looks like she just smelled a giant fart."  And it was that face most of the tribal.  

 
stbugs said:
I don’t know his full background, but I was more just emphasizing he’s not black. He wasn’t brought into the discussions of the 4. You may be right about Shan but I was just thinking that if the situation arises (deciding vote), it wouldn’t shock me if it crossed her mind. I hope she votes her way. The again, I don’t know how much the Ponderosa folks talk and whether or not they really know all the numbers before the final vote.
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From what I’ve read, in some seasons everyone knows where the votes are before FTC, but in others they don’t. S36 and S37 are examples of recent seasons where the vote was up in the air before FTC. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
From what I’ve read, in some seasons everyone knows where the votes are before FTC, but in others they don’t. S36 and S37 are examples of recent seasons where the vote was up in the air before FTC. 
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It’s probably not too hard to have a good feeling on who’s vote is going where unless folks are trying to conceal it.

 
bryhamm said:
Jayrok said:
Agree, although they didn't know it was going to be the MH choice.  They were just told it would be a separate challenge for the first out.

Doesn't the Monty Hall choice always come down to 50/50?  Better than a 1 in 6 chance or whatever the shot in the dark is.
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No.  It seems like it, but it is always a 67/33 split
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Right, 67% if you switch, 33% if you don't, which is why Deshawn NOT switching and getting "fire" was even more a result of "luck".

 
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