Runkle
Footballguy
Oh, they are vastly more entertaining than many other groups have been this early.I guess I'm the odd one out that likes this cast of dipshirts.
"I almost stroked out right there."
They're also completely nutso. It's pure chaos.
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Survivor Season 42: Starts Wednesday March 9, 2022 (3 Viewers)
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They're also completely nutso. It's pure chaos.
krista4
Footballguy
I guess I'm the odd one out that likes this cast of dipshirts.
"I almost stroked out right there."
Oh no, I like the cast.
El Floppo
Footballguy
this would be interesting- surprised they haven't tried it.
the strength/speed physical challenges are too often slanted towards men, balance/endurance often towards women... which evens things out, but would be interesting to see that element removed with single-sex.
and I think the issue with "weak" vs "strong" is there are different components to the game- not just physical. so somebody may be physically weak but have great social/puzzle/whatever skill "strength", and vice-versa.
offdee
Footballguy
Oh yeah, let's do an all woman cast and then they have to be woke and include multiple transitioning women who are 6-2 and 210lbs with an adams apple. Perfect.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Swati's "you're my number 1" was the newbie version of Aubry's "I want to have a dialogue with you."
The players are bored and have nothing to do but talk to each other all day. Of course they're going to compare notes!
The players are bored and have nothing to do but talk to each other all day. Of course they're going to compare notes!
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Runkle
Footballguy
We've seen big physical guys on the show before, hell, even professional athletes, and I can't remember anyone dominating challenges as much as Johnathan. Even the non-physical parts, like unwinding the ropes, he's good at. Then he went speedboat and dragged the whole team through the water like it was nothing. It's just crazy.
Plus, his charming personality is a bonus. He's got that Channing Tatum-style self-awareness that you just don't expect from who should be 'just a meathead'.
The rest, though... what a bunch of maroons.
Plus, his charming personality is a bonus. He's got that Channing Tatum-style self-awareness that you just don't expect from who should be 'just a meathead'.
The rest, though... what a bunch of maroons.
Runkle
Footballguy
Did they get rid of the rebus-puzzle-check-us-out-online bits for the home viewer this year? I haven't noticed any, but, I could have missed them.
Since they didn't have the reaction to the previous season when they filmed this one... whoever came up with that idea must have thought it'd be a hit and so worth doing that they must have done it again for 42... which means it was such a disaster they re-edited the current season to remove any references.
Since they didn't have the reaction to the previous season when they filmed this one... whoever came up with that idea must have thought it'd be a hit and so worth doing that they must have done it again for 42... which means it was such a disaster they re-edited the current season to remove any references.
offdee
Footballguy
Yeah, it's almost unfair. That tribe just isn't going to lose anything and will he ever lose when he's solo too? I literally could see him winning every single competition. The only ones he will probably struggle in are the ones where you're perched up on a little step that the light women with tiny feet always win. Once he loses anything solo, the tribe would be complete morons to not get rid of him.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
He won’t win everything. You know the producers can’t have that. But yes once merge hits they better get him out asap when he does not win.
PlayaHata
Footballguy
I am still trying to sort out what is happening with the "say the super weird phrase" at the reward/immunity challenge shared immunity idol thing. Maryanne is obviously saying her phrase, but I swore the clue said you had to say the phrase at the challenge, yet the other tribe is purposely opting not to do so because the 3rd tribe seemingly hasn't found their clue yet. Am I misremembering? Is it optional to say the phrase?
Runkle
Footballguy
The parchment says "you must say this at the next immunity challenge."
So it implies you only need to say it once. Maryanne should not be repeating it every time. She should wait.
Mike has not said it at all. I don't know what the punishment is for that, if any, or if anyone has noticed.
I noticed, however, that Daniel The Lawyer read that parchment twice, saw the word "must", and still advised Mike to keep his mouth shut.
Edit: Text from last season's parchment, this season definitely also includes "must"
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Runkle
Footballguy
Kudos to Hai for realizing Daniel is a dunce and gave up all his negotiating position. Early in this week's episode he said Daniel's blunder here made it easy for him to stand firm and get his way.
bryhamm
Footballguy
My interpretation is that in order to "activate" the idol, you MUST say the phrase. But, that doesn't mean you are required to say the phrase no matter what.
Keep in mind, last year if the idols were not activated by the merge, they became useless. This year, if they are not activate by the merge they automatically become activated. I think that is more why Mike is not saying it. He wants to get to the merge and have it activated then. If the 3rd tribe finds theirs and says the phrase and then Maryanne says her phrase again, will be interesting to see if Mike goes ahead and says it or not.
But I agree that Maryanne should not say it again until at least one of the other tribes says their phrase. Heck, maybe even wait until both say it.
Keep in mind, last year if the idols were not activated by the merge, they became useless. This year, if they are not activate by the merge they automatically become activated. I think that is more why Mike is not saying it. He wants to get to the merge and have it activated then. If the 3rd tribe finds theirs and says the phrase and then Maryanne says her phrase again, will be interesting to see if Mike goes ahead and says it or not.
But I agree that Maryanne should not say it again until at least one of the other tribes says their phrase. Heck, maybe even wait until both say it.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Runkle
Footballguy
It's a cross-tribe dynamic we haven't seen before, so I at least applaud the original thinking by the producers here.
Of course, one must assume that people who find an advantage keep it secret, but, if someone actually did that for once, they'd have inside knowledge not only of their own game but of other players on other tribes that they haven't interacted with yet. That's powerful post-merge info if people actually played this game with a shred of intelligence, and not, for example, organizing a whole-tribe idol hunt or anything dumb like that, Maryanne.
offdee
Footballguy
But the need to say "the sheep fly by night, but the caterpillar is an ephiphany" is just dumb and completely unnecessary.
They could at least have them say something that logically applies to the context of the moment right before a challenge. Its just unnecessary drama provoking.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
They did lose a challenge which involved him directing a puzzle. He’s not good at those. And at least a few individual immunity challenges have puzzles. Plus, as you said, we don’t know how he’ll do in the balance challenges that show up frequently in the post merge.offdee said:
Guys like that are usually booted at the first opportunity in the post merge in modern Survivor. But this cast has made a LOT of weird decisions so far, so who knows what we will see.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
They changed the rule between 41 and 42. You had to say it at every challenge in 41, but not 42. And if the idols aren’t activated by the merge, in 42 they become idols anyway, whereas in 41 they would have disappeared.PlayaHata said:
This hasn’t been explained in detail on the show, only in bits from the Mike/Daniel conversation and in exit interviews.
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Angry Bovine
This is my take as well, you must say it if you want it to activate. The downside to not activating it of course is not having a vote until merge.bryhamm said:
I'm surprised Tori is still there. I think everyone sees she's a snake but got to caught up in Swati's "You're my number 1". Don't you assume when someone tells you they are number 1 that you should take it with a grain of salt? If I were Drea, there's no way I'm letting Tori off the hook when she tried to stir stuff up with Roxrory. Talk about someone you can't trust.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
A side effect of casting superfans is that they make moves in the premerge as if it’s the endgame. Booting Swati instead of Tori is kind of like in S39 when they booted Molly instead of Noura — they are already thinking about who they want to face at the end.
Agreed. Clearly Swati was considered more of a threat and Tori isn’t going to be someone voted for later. She’s a controllable number which is better than Swati who’s clearly playing the game more. It’s not like Swati was integral to winning challenges.
Personally, I don’t think what Tori did was as untrustworthy as Swati. Tori’s on the bottom so of course she’s going to try and sway the swing vote. Swati committed herself to Tori and the people who wanted Tori out. Rox was proof of that as Tori didn’t know anything unless Swati told her. Swati was absolutely more untrustworthy.
Rocks is so oblivious to anything. I know he’s the “dad” but his speech to Tori about him being right was amazing, no self awareness at all. I don’t know if I’d bring him or Tori. I feel like Rocks could make an older friend after the merge and peel off quickly or he could be loyal to a fault.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Was wondering the same. The text said had. I don’t think anyone didn’t say the phrase last season so not sure what the ruling will be for the bald dude.PlayaHata said:
Swati at the end saying she thought she played a very good game and maybe they should bring her back for a Survivor Allstars.... 
you literally played one of the worst games in a short amount of time ever on the show....basically going around humping everybody's leg telling them "you're my #1" and thinking that strategy was going to work....
you literally played one of the worst games in a short amount of time ever on the show....basically going around humping everybody's leg telling them "you're my #1" and thinking that strategy was going to work....
I feel like they have some sort of personality test questions that can give them the level of self-awareness and pick the people with the least. Swati comparing herself to Boston Rob after getting booted for one of the biggest faux pas, Rocks thinking he’s never wrong and that people appreciate him for it and Tori who shows her disdain for people and eye rolling and thinking that people watching will think she’s got a personality to be a therapist. Not even looking at other tribes and people like Daniel and Chanelle,Swati at the end saying she thought she played a very good game and maybe they should bring her back for a Survivor Allstars....
you literally played one of the worst games in a short amount of time ever on the show....basically going around humping everybody's leg telling them "you're my #1" and thinking that strategy was going to work....
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Runkle
Footballguy
Rumblings online and in the podcast-verse are:
1) in Season 41, when they first tried this out, the intent was the player had to somehow say the phrase at every immunity challenge until all 3 phrases were spoken. Once Xander did it twice, though, they realized that it was just too much so they told him he didn't need to every time, that he could wait until someone else spoke up, because he's already suffering with the no-vote rule so there's not much else they can do to him or enforce against him.
2) in this season, they intended that you only had to say it at the first challenge after you open it. However, it was still slightly ambiguously worded: the outside of the Beware Advantage says something like, "if you take this, you must do what it says, otherwise give it to someone else". But the inside reads: "In order for your idol to have power..." and then lists the instructions which include "you must say". Here's a current season screenshot of the parchment. Which implies that if you don't want your idol to have power, you don't have to do anything, and can just wait it out for the merge.
3) Production reviewed Daniel and Mike's conversation and decided to "let the players run with it." That if Mike doesn't want the power before the merge, he can keep his mouth shut as long as he wants.
The upshot is the "rules" are quite flexible at the producer's discretion, if someone wants to make an out-of-the-box play, 1) they'll give them some leeway (or enough rope to hang themselves, if it makes for better TV), and 2) they don't intend for the Beware Advantage to have a punishment worse than "you can't vote".
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
It is Survivor., so it is better than most other shows on at this point.
That being said, this is really a weak batch of contestants. After the first show, I was thinking i was going to find some of these people interesting, but that has faded. Big guy is the only one we are pulling for, but you know the powers that be are going to level the playing field here somehow. Some limited tribe switch (not necessarily a merge) but something is coming,
That being said, this is really a weak batch of contestants. After the first show, I was thinking i was going to find some of these people interesting, but that has faded. Big guy is the only one we are pulling for, but you know the powers that be are going to level the playing field here somehow. Some limited tribe switch (not necessarily a merge) but something is coming,
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Good riddance Daniel! I have no idea why neither Daniel nor Chanel wouldn't play their shot in the dark. Of course I don't understand the Mike vote either by Chanel. Totally dumbfounding, and they didn't show us any type of camp talk that may have talked her into.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
yea i didnt get the Mike vote either. Odd. i wonder what the twist is next week. threre appears to be no merge right away?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Regarding the mike vote: https://twitter.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1511871558880534528?s=20&t=JJ89g6S8dFTJ6zXGTxCGyw
offdee
Footballguy
Good God Maryanne may be the most annoying human on Earth. She can’t even hand Jeff the tribe idol without making it a Broadway production. I just DESPISE people like that. I gotta hand it to Jonathan for keeping it together with her at the beginning of the episode. My blood would just boil until I couldn’t help myself from screaming….SHUUUUUT UUUUP!! Just shut your mouth for 10 seconds please, dear god, PLEASE!!!
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Corporation
Angry Bovine
That makes some sense. She had to be expecting Daniel to play the SITD, and figured with a stats guy on the team at least one vote would be thrown her way. She really didn't have much of a shot with them anyway, so kudos to her. They were all expecting a merge <STOP READING NOW IF YOU DON'T LIKE TO WATCH THE PREVIEWS>
but the previews lead you to believe a merge is not coming, looks perhaps like a tribe shuffle. It strengthens her play if she thought it didn't matter if she made Mike mad because a merge was coming. Now she just has to hope she doesn't end up the same tribe as him (if a reshuffle is what happens).
Runkle
Footballguy
Definitely a play to avoid the shot in the dark. I like it.
Glad Daniel's gone. Very weak player and no sense of how he comes off to other people. I loved how his whole pitch to Hai was "You and me to the end. That's all I have to say." like he thinks that means anything to Hai
Greatest negotiator ever.
Glad Daniel's gone. Very weak player and no sense of how he comes off to other people. I loved how his whole pitch to Hai was "You and me to the end. That's all I have to say." like he thinks that means anything to Hai
Greatest negotiator ever.
It’s funny because I know no one likes Daniel but I think Hai and Lydia screwed up big time. I think Daniel would have stayed loyal and I don’t think Chanelle will. I mean, last tribal she lied about risking her vote and this one as well. It couldn’t be clearer that she’s lied several times and is 100% doing everything for herself even risking others in her alliance. She is the one that caused Mike’s ally to get voted out last tribal. Her constant eye rolling and facial expressions sure are missed by the rest of the tribe. I definitely agree that this is a weaker playing group even though I’m enjoying the season. Chanelle would have absolutely been gone for what she’s done but these guys seem to be oblivious that Daniel’s one of the bring to the end, win easy against guys and she’s one of those flop at the first chance and now your alliance is the minority type players.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Agree with all of this but strictly as a viewer, I'm so happy I don't have to watch Daniel any more.
I’ll be honest, I would have no problem if that entire tribe went away. The rest of the tribe is uninspired and/or people you don’t want to win. You’ve got Rocks, Tori and maybe Maryanne that rub you the wrong way a bit but I’m just not a fan of green.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Agreed on all the players you mentioned - who I'd been as happy to see go. I just can't help snickering every time I think back to the first episode where Tori suggested she was going to play the warm/fuzzy social worker or whatever. Too funny.
I'm fine rooting for team Hai at this point, after he tactically destroyed Daniel by risking a stone draw. That said, emphatically hitching his wagon to a so-so like Lydia (not that he had many options) could bite him after merge, or whatever reshuffle they could be a duo in.
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offdee
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Or, in the words of Andrew Savage, a wimpy little non-leader.
I’ve never seen anyone epitomize “book smart, but dumb at everything else” as much as Daniel.
offdee
Footballguy
Is he even book smart though? Guy just seems like an overall moron.
The whole hurt shoulder but can go out spear fishing for an hour was ridiculous. Loved when he was walking out to the ocean the tribe had to say "now, don't lose the spear while you're out there"
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