TE Mark Andrews, BAL (2 Viewers)

[TampaMike19]

One of the most annoying players in fantasy this year.

 

[JohnnyU]

One of the most annoying players in fantasy this year.

Not for me. He's scored double digits every week except two since week 5. Two of those are 20 points or greater and two of those 15 points or greater. Most every player produces a dud sometimes. He's plug and play.

 

[the moops]

I drafted him and stuck with him until I grabbed Taysom Hill off waivers in week 5. Kept Andrews though. Been alternating them here and there and have chosen wrong nearly every week. Has cost me 3 wins

My dynasty team has Andrews, Hock, and Goedert. All I do is pick the wrong one every time. Cost me a couple of games too. So, you're in good* company.


*might be bad company, depends lol

Just looked at the last 5 weeks where I had a choice between Hill or Andrews. Here is what I missed out on in PPR for choosing the wrong guy. Damn I am bad at this.

9 instead of 15
4 instead of 40
6 instead of 18
4 instead of 15
6 instead of 14

 

[Ilov80s]

One of the most annoying players in fantasy this year.

Not for me. He's scored double digits every week except two since week 5. Two of those are 20 points or greater and two of those 15 points or greater. Most every player produces a dud sometimes. He's plug and play.

Ended up scoring 11 TDs in his last 12 games I believe. He is going to lead all TEs in TDs and is likely to finish top 5-7 in the NFL in receiving TDs. Seems pretty clear that summer car accident is to blame for the slow start. Remove those first 4 games where he had a combined 6 targets and was hardly running routes, he had a season pace of 800 yards and 14 TDs. So in other words, he seems fine for fantasy moving foward. Just no more injuries hopefully.

 

[Big Nate]

One of the most annoying players in fantasy this year.

Not for me. He's scored double digits every week except two since week 5. Two of those are 20 points or greater and two of those 15 points or greater. Most every player produces a dud sometimes. He's plug and play.

Ended up scoring 11 TDs in his last 12 games I believe. He is going to lead all TEs in TDs and is likely to finish top 5-7 in the NFL in receiving TDs. Seems pretty clear that summer car accident is to blame for the slow start. Remove those first 4 games where he had a combined 6 targets and was hardly running routes, he had a season pace of 800 yards and 14 TDs. So in other words, he seems fine for fantasy moving foward. Just no more injuries hopefully.

It is a good reminder to think about this for next year. I was saying the offseason rehab with his major injury and then the car accident on top of it is why he had a slow start. He missed a good portion of training camp and preseason. People wanted to write him off as washed and he wasn't even 30 yet. The one issue we do have to be careful of with Andrews is he is a diabetic and sometimes means he could be slower to recover from injuries. He does a great job monitoring it though and keeps great care of himself.

Going into next year, if there a is a good player who isn't "old" yet but is off to a slow start lets pause for a second and ask why. Injury? scheme? QB? Coaching? Some things can't be dealt with or change during the year if the qb or scheme/coaching is just bad. But in a case like Andrews the QB was the same and the coaching was solid so we needed to be patient with the recovery.

Grats to those who bought low. Well played.

 

[Faust]

Baltimore Ravens refuse to blame Mark Andrews for loss

 

[Da Guru]

Baltimore Ravens refuse to blame Mark Andrews for loss

Their are always plays that change the course of games, but the last one sticks in peoples minds. Should Jackson be blamed for a terrible INT and a fumble that led to Buffalo points? Should Harbaugh be blamed for chasing points early going for 2 and not making it? They kick the PAT in the third and they don`t need to go for 2. Add up plays in a game and that is why they lost, not because of a failed 2 point conversion that was not the easiest catch in those conditions. Plus even if he caught they still might not have won.

So Andrews might feel bad but there is plenty of blame to share with him.

 

[bcat01]

Baltimore Ravens refuse to blame Mark Andrews for loss

Their are always plays that change the course of games, but the last one sticks in peoples minds. Should Jackson be blamed for a terrible INT and a fumble that led to Buffalo points? Should Harbaugh be blamed for chasing points early going for 2 and not making it? They kick the PAT in the third and they don`t need to go for 2. Add up plays in a game and that is why they lost, not because of a failed 2 point conversion that was not the easiest catch in those conditions. Plus even if he caught they still might not have won.

So Andrews might feel bad but there is plenty of blame to share with him.

I would put the blame on Harbaugh for going for 2. That is a decision he made not a play where there are many variables.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Baltimore Ravens refuse to blame Mark Andrews for loss

Their are always plays that change the course of games, but the last one sticks in peoples minds. Should Jackson be blamed for a terrible INT and a fumble that led to Buffalo points? Should Harbaugh be blamed for chasing points early going for 2 and not making it? They kick the PAT in the third and they don`t need to go for 2. Add up plays in a game and that is why they lost, not because of a failed 2 point conversion that was not the easiest catch in those conditions. Plus even if he caught they still might not have won.

So Andrews might feel bad but there is plenty of blame to share with him.

Agree and also begs the question why they didn't just run the ball on at least one of the 2pt conversion attempts. Why attempt a high risk pass while running sideways in slippery conditions when Henry and the others were running well much of the game? Just as big a mistake imo.

 

[efactor]

Feel bad for him. Better players have dropped easier passes, but due to the timing, he will be forever blamed for the Ravens losing this game despite the Bills having a full 90 seconds to get into FG position and avoid OT.

 

[Da Guru]

Just watched that play again in slow motion. Andrews lost his footing and the way he was going down even though his lower body was on the goal line, his hands and the ball were not, the ball might not have broken the plain and pylon before he slid OB even if caught. Would have been very close.

 

[Rubi]

Like the guy
Feel sorry for him
But he did have a bad game overall
Did the cold have an effect?
Maybe

 

[Hankmoody]

I would put the blame on Harbaugh for going for 2. That is a decision he made not a play where there are many variables.

100%. Way too early to chase points in that game and I said when they lined up for it he was a moron. You're looking at 3-5 more possessions at that point and it's very easy to forsee a couple of FG's resulting. Horrible decision. 6 minutes left? Sure, but 16.5 minutes is way, way too early.

 

[travdogg]

Like the guy
Feel sorry for him
But he did have a bad game overall
Did the cold have an effect?
Maybe

Agree with this.

Andrews proved he's still a top-5 NFL TE after his slow start, likely due to his accident. He had a bad game and was one of the biggest reasons for the Ravens losing, but he'll be fine. Weather I think played a pretty big role in more than a few performances yesterday.

 

[Big Nate]

Andrews should have caught that for sure. But if we are being honest the pass location was not good. Andrews had to slow up and reach down/back. Lamar leads him a bit and its a much easier pass to catch.

Either way that was tough to see. I'm a big fan of Andrews and Lamar.

 

[Kuz]

I'm just surprised that they didn't run Henry once on the 2 point play. He's was killing the up the middle

 

[Faust]

Ravens' Mark Andrews breaks silence after nightmarish showing in loss to Bills: It 'will only make me stronger'

 

[JohnnyU]

Ravens' Mark Andrews breaks silence after nightmarish showing in loss to Bills: It 'will only make me stronger'

Was it Bill Buckner bad? No way.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

He had another amazing season. Wouldn't hesitate to draft him at adp or a tad earlier next year, sans any off-season issues.

 

[Big Nate]

He had another amazing season. Wouldn't hesitate to draft him at adp or a tad earlier next year, sans any off-season issues.

As he gets older his value/ADP should be fairly reasonable. Look at Kittle as an example - Can be a top 5 TE each year but since he is older and not the new flavor people start to avoid. Add in an injury or 2 here and there and it gives people pause.

Andrews can finish top 5 again next year and I would think his value will be reasonable come draft time.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

He had another amazing season. Wouldn't hesitate to draft him at adp or a tad earlier next year, sans any off-season issues.

As he gets older his value/ADP should be fairly reasonable. Look at Kittle as an example - Can be a top 5 TE each year but since he is older and not the new flavor people start to avoid. Add in an injury or 2 here and there and it gives people pause.

Andrews can finish top 5 again next year and I would think his value will be reasonable come draft time.

Definitely in the category of player you should look for come draft/auction season where you know the shine is off them due to age or simply not being the 'new' toy, but will produce at a discounted rate.

 

[zamboni]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

 

[jm192]

If we throw out his 1st 4 games (which is hardly cherry picking)

His 17 game pace was: 795 yards, 14 TD's.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out. Baltimore doesn't have a lot of cap space, so Andrews will have to restructure his financial doings going forward if he wants to stay with the Ravens. Adding to the fun is that he and Lamar Jackson are apparently best friends off of the field. Likely (& Kolar) also are eligible for new contracts in 2026.

 

[Big Nate]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

While TDs aren't sticky, he has always been a fairly good an reliable target in the RZ. They added King Henry this year which teams have to legit worry about and defend, leaving Andrews more 1 on 1s. The only other big threat was Bateman who scored 9 TDs this year.

Next year assuming everyone is back I would expect a few more targets and yards for Andrews to solidify his base #s and it won't be so bad if his TDs regress. Full offseason to continue his rehab and he will only be 30 years old. I'd feel comfortable with him as my TE for another 2 years.

 

[menobrown]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

This is how I see it. He's not for me. Better best ball type, understand he got on a TD heater but I don't want to rely on TD's, especially in 1.5 PPR TE leagues I mainly play. I think he's going to go a lot higher then were I'll want to take him.

 

[zamboni]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

While TDs aren't sticky, he has always been a fairly good an reliable target in the RZ. They added King Henry this year which teams have to legit worry about and defend, leaving Andrews more 1 on 1s. The only other big threat was Bateman who scored 9 TDs this year.

Next year assuming everyone is back I would expect a few more targets and yards for Andrews to solidify his base #s and it won't be so bad if his TDs regress. Full offseason to continue his rehab and he will only be 30 years old. I'd feel comfortable with him as my TE for another 2 years.

I agree he still will have value, just that the level is much lower than peak Andrews. He also didn't have Likely beside him during his peak years.

 

[menobrown]

It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out. Baltimore doesn't have a lot of cap space, so Andrews will have to restructure his financial doings going forward if he wants to stay with the Ravens. Adding to the fun is that he and Lamar Jackson are apparently best friends off of the field. Likely (& Kolar) also are eligible for new contracts in 2026.

Yes and I'm sure you already know/hear this but for others here is summary of what was said after the season.

I'm paraphrasing.

You listen to Harbaugh and it sounded like case closed. Said he loved him and he'd be a big part of their future.

DeCosta was more fuzzy. Said he loved his TE room but understanding all 3 are in last year of their contract and decisions will need to be discussed and made. Said he's discussed this some with Andrews already and added he preferred to keep the nature of those conversations private.

 

[Big Nate]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

This is how I see it. He's not for me. Better best ball type, understand he got on a TD heater but I don't want to rely on TD's, especially in 1.5 PPR TE leagues I mainly play. I think he's going to go a lot higher then were I'll want to take him.

I know lots can change from now until our fantasy drafts but early ADP rankings have him at 75th overall, TE6.

For all the reasons stated I don't think his ADP will rise all that much and will be a value come draft time. Lamar still trusts him, especially in the RZ.

 

[menobrown]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

This is how I see it. He's not for me. Better best ball type, understand he got on a TD heater but I don't want to rely on TD's, especially in 1.5 PPR TE leagues I mainly play. I think he's going to go a lot higher then were I'll want to take him.

I know lots can change from now until our fantasy drafts but early ADP rankings have him at 75th overall, TE6.

For all the reasons stated I don't think his ADP will rise all that much and will be a value come draft time. Lamar still trusts him, especially in the RZ.

He or Likely could be on a new team before the season starts so you are right a lot could change. But some of us have already started drafting.

Just a few drafts of data so far but in FFPC BB he's going as TE8, player 72. This is 1.5 PPR which I think lowers his value relative to other leagues because he's not a high volume pass catcher, but also BB which I think enhances his value as you don't have to try and predict the games he scored a TD.

I don't have an issue with that price but I'm not really trying to target him either and have 6 TE's, in TEP format, I like squarely over him. Gets jumbled to me after that top 6, a lot of talent who can end up being top 5 but hard to know right now so for me I'm more likley to punt at TE when my top 6 are gone and shop cheaper options, at least until more info is known.

 

[Big Nate]

I think the high TD total propped up some of his value this year. I get that he had that car accident, but 55-436 along with an ascending TE talent alongside him in Likely doesn't inspire a lot of optimism. Andrews is also heading into his final contract year, so it's something to watch how they handle that.

This is how I see it. He's not for me. Better best ball type, understand he got on a TD heater but I don't want to rely on TD's, especially in 1.5 PPR TE leagues I mainly play. I think he's going to go a lot higher then were I'll want to take him.

I know lots can change from now until our fantasy drafts but early ADP rankings have him at 75th overall, TE6.

For all the reasons stated I don't think his ADP will rise all that much and will be a value come draft time. Lamar still trusts him, especially in the RZ.

He or Likely could be on a new team before the season starts so you are right a lot could change. But some of us have already started drafting.

Just a few drafts of data so far but in FFPC BB he's going as TE8, player 72. This is 1.5 PPR which I think lowers his value relative to other leagues because he's not a high volume pass catcher, but also BB which I think enhances his value as you don't have to try and predict the games he scored a TD.

I don't have an issue with that price but I'm not really trying to target him either and have 6 TE's, in TEP format, I like squarely over him. Gets jumbled to me after that top 6, a lot of talent who can end up being top 5 but hard to know right now so for me I'm more likley to punt at TE when my top 6 are gone and shop cheaper options, at least until more info is known.

Good to know. TE8 seems reasonable but of course depends on your build etc. If he's healthy and on the Ravens I'm comfortable with his projections as top 5 TE again.

 

[Faust]

Could the Ravens consider trading tight end Mark Andrews?

 

[travdogg]

Could the Ravens consider trading tight end Mark Andrews?

Could be the prize of the offseason. He looked every bit the top-5 TE once he got going after the car crash, that obviously affected him early in the season.

He'd be an excellent fit on the Chargers (duh), Washington, or Denver.

 

[Tau837]

Could the Ravens consider trading tight end Mark Andrews?

Could be the prize of the offseason. He looked every bit the top-5 TE once he got going after the car crash, that obviously affected him early in the season.

He'd be an excellent fit on the Chargers (duh), Washington, or Denver.

I would be happy for the Chargers to trade for him if the trade capital wasn't too significant (e.g., not higher than 3rd round pick).

 

[Faust]

Ravens GM Eric DeCosta on TE Mark Andrews remaining with team: 'Never know what's going to happen'

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Ravens GM Eric DeCosta on TE Mark Andrews remaining with team: 'Never know what's going to happen'

I put as much stock into what DeCosta and Harbaugh say as I do into what politicians promise. They are accomplished liars.

That said, something's gotta give. Andrews, Likely, Kolar are all in the last years of their contracts. Andrews carries either the 3rd or 4th highest cap hit on the team this coming season.

I am leaning more and more towards the scenario where Baltimore trades Andrews. The issue is "when?". If they trade him before extending Likely, then Likely gains a ton of leverage. If they extend Likely first, then potential trade partners gain leverage in an Andrews trade negotiation.

But maybe the Ravens just let the season play out and then deal with it (wouldn't be the first time). They've done pretty well drafting/developing TEs.

 

[Max Power]

Ravens GM Eric DeCosta on TE Mark Andrews remaining with team: 'Never know what's going to happen'

I put as much stock into what DeCosta and Harbaugh say as I do into what politicians promise. They are accomplished liars.

That said, something's gotta give. Andrews, Likely, Kolar are all in the last years of their contracts. Andrews carries either the 3rd or 4th highest cap hit on the team this coming season.

I am leaning more and more towards the scenario where Baltimore trades Andrews. The issue is "when?". If they trade him before extending Likely, then Likely gains a ton of leverage. If they extend Likely first, then potential trade partners gain leverage in an Andrews trade negotiation.

But maybe the Ravens just let the season play out and then deal with it (wouldn't be the first time). They've done pretty well drafting/developing TEs.

I wouldn't think a Likely extension reduces the trade value too much for Andrews. Teams either want him or they don't. He's an aging TE who's best years are probably behind him.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Ravens GM Eric DeCosta on TE Mark Andrews remaining with team: 'Never know what's going to happen'

I put as much stock into what DeCosta and Harbaugh say as I do into what politicians promise. They are accomplished liars.

That said, something's gotta give. Andrews, Likely, Kolar are all in the last years of their contracts. Andrews carries either the 3rd or 4th highest cap hit on the team this coming season.

I am leaning more and more towards the scenario where Baltimore trades Andrews. The issue is "when?". If they trade him before extending Likely, then Likely gains a ton of leverage. If they extend Likely first, then potential trade partners gain leverage in an Andrews trade negotiation.

But maybe the Ravens just let the season play out and then deal with it (wouldn't be the first time). They've done pretty well drafting/developing TEs.

I wouldn't think a Likely extension reduces the trade value too much for Andrews. Teams either want him or they don't. He's an aging TE who's best years are probably behind him.

Maybe you're right, as I'm a horrible predictor of future events. I think Andrews is still an attractive target for teams and Likely certainly is. How much money should the Ravens tie up in TEs? I hope they find a way to keep both - Andrews is gonna have his # on the Ring Of Honor in the next 10 or 12 years - but Baltimore also has Hamilton, Linderbaum, and Oweh decisions coming up in the next couple of years. They are threading a needle here.

 

[menobrown]

I know due to age, and helped out by some Decosta comments, that everyone is thinking along the lines of extend Likely and either play out Andrews last year or trade him.

What if they pivoted? What if Likely, due to his youth, drew back a higher trade return,what if they found they could more easily agree on an extension with Andrews then Likely or just feel like Mark Andrews for the next 2-3 years is still their best TE?

I've seen only one person remotely speculate on this and it was kind of a throw away line.

Speaking for fantasy purposes I don't care who, I just want one of them traded.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

 

[travdogg]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

 

[Buckna]

I know due to age, and helped out by some Decosta comments, that everyone is thinking along the lines of extend Likely and either play out Andrews last year or trade him.

What if they pivoted? What if Likely, due to his youth, drew back a higher trade return,what if they found they could more easily agree on an extension with Andrews then Likely or just feel like Mark Andrews for the next 2-3 years is still their best TE?

I've seen only one person remotely speculate on this and it was kind of a throw away line.

Speaking for fantasy purposes I don't care who, I just want one of them traded.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I like that line of thinking, it's not like Likely is a proven commodity although he has obviously flashed bigtime. And is Andrews really an "aging TE"? TE's aren't like RB's or WR's, they take a few years to get going and the elite ones last into their mid-30's. While maybe not the uberstuds they once were, they are often still fantasy relevant for much of their 30's. I'm thinking of guys like Kelce, Sharpe, Gates, Witten, Gonzo, etc. For example, Kittle turned 31 and just put up the 2nd best season of his career. Kelce's best two seasons were in his early 30's as well (partly due to them drafting Mahomes of course.)

 

[Tau837]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

 

[travdogg]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

 

[Tau837]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I don't see the Ravens trading up 5 spots with the cost being Andrews. Especially in THIS draft where - from everything I've read - there are about 13 "1st round" picks and about 60 "2nd round" grades. Someone would REALLY have to fall for them to do that. I think they'd rather trade him for a 3rd or 4th straight-up.

Again, I'm terrible at predicting this kind of stuff. I don't want Andrews to go anywhere. He's one of the best players the Baltimore Ravens have ever had. I'm just thinking there's a salary crunch coming here.

 

[travdogg]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I don't see the Ravens trading up 5 spots with the cost being Andrews. Especially in THIS draft where - from everything I've read - there are about 13 "1st round" picks and about 60 "2nd round" grades. Someone would REALLY have to fall for them to do that. I think they'd rather trade him for a 3rd or 4th straight-up.

Again, I'm terrible at predicting this kind of stuff. I don't want Andrews to go anywhere. He's one of the best players the Baltimore Ravens have ever had. I'm just thinking there's a salary crunch coming here.

Just to throw it out there, am I the only one whom thinks Andrews is still clearly better than Likely?

Like I think Andrews is a much better route runner, much better blocker, and typically has better hands (though Andrews had some yips last year) Likely is really only better at run after catch in my eyes.

Like, I think the offense would miss Andrews a ton. Though I do wonder if they traded Andrews, if they might run a lot more 3-WR sets, and possibly draft a WR early.

 

[Tau837]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I don't see the Ravens trading up 5 spots with the cost being Andrews. Especially in THIS draft where - from everything I've read - there are about 13 "1st round" picks and about 60 "2nd round" grades. Someone would REALLY have to fall for them to do that. I think they'd rather trade him for a 3rd or 4th straight-up.

Again, I'm terrible at predicting this kind of stuff. I don't want Andrews to go anywhere. He's one of the best players the Baltimore Ravens have ever had. I'm just thinking there's a salary crunch coming here.

I don't follow the Ravens closely, but they look like they need to clear some cap space. There are various ways to do it, but trading Andrews would save either $7M or $11M. OTC says $11M, but that doesn't make sense to me, since that would appear to be salary ($7M) + roster bonus ($4M), but the bonus was scheduled to be paid on the 5th day of the league year. There was speculation about trading him before that date because that would be the difference in saving another $4M or not. Did the Ravens and Andrews agree to reschedule that to a later date that hasn't been reached yet?

Even if only $7M, that would still be helpful to their cap.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I don't see the Ravens trading up 5 spots with the cost being Andrews. Especially in THIS draft where - from everything I've read - there are about 13 "1st round" picks and about 60 "2nd round" grades. Someone would REALLY have to fall for them to do that. I think they'd rather trade him for a 3rd or 4th straight-up.

Again, I'm terrible at predicting this kind of stuff. I don't want Andrews to go anywhere. He's one of the best players the Baltimore Ravens have ever had. I'm just thinking there's a salary crunch coming here.

Just to throw it out there, am I the only one whom thinks Andrews is still clearly better than Likely?

Like I think Andrews is a much better route runner, much better blocker, and typically has better hands (though Andrews had some yips last year) Likely is really only better at run after catch in my eyes.

Like, I think the offense would miss Andrews a ton. Though I do wonder if they traded Andrews, if they might run a lot more 3-WR sets, and possibly draft a WR early.

Oh, definitely they'd miss him. He allows Baltimore to do a lot of different things. Even when he was struggling early last season, opposing teams were still accounting for him.

Plus, he and Lamar Jackson are really good friends. I don't know how much, if at all, that'll play into this.

 

[menobrown]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I don't see the Ravens trading up 5 spots with the cost being Andrews. Especially in THIS draft where - from everything I've read - there are about 13 "1st round" picks and about 60 "2nd round" grades. Someone would REALLY have to fall for them to do that. I think they'd rather trade him for a 3rd or 4th straight-up.

Again, I'm terrible at predicting this kind of stuff. I don't want Andrews to go anywhere. He's one of the best players the Baltimore Ravens have ever had. I'm just thinking there's a salary crunch coming here.

Just to throw it out there, am I the only one whom thinks Andrews is still clearly better than Likely?

Like I think Andrews is a much better route runner, much better blocker, and typically has better hands (though Andrews had some yips last year) Likely is really only better at run after catch in my eyes.

Like, I think the offense would miss Andrews a ton. Though I do wonder if they traded Andrews, if they might run a lot more 3-WR sets, and possibly draft a WR early.

Oh, definitely they'd miss him. He allows Baltimore to do a lot of different things. Even when he was struggling early last season, opposing teams were still accounting for him.

Plus, he and Lamar Jackson are really good friends. I don't know how much, if at all, that'll play into this.

I don't think they'd miss him, not in the sense he would create some hole, gap or need. He's been unavailable or not overly productive for the last 1.5 seasons and they've not skipped a beat.

 

[travdogg]

Maybe a minority opinion, but I think Andrews is still a top 5 NFL TE. He looked like his old self once he got over his car accident injury. His bad game in the playoffs was unfortunate, but man, I'd much rather have 29-year-old Andrews, than 21/22 year old Arroyo or Taylor in the draft. Its more likely than not, those guys are never as good as Andrews is right now.

I will actually predict that TE's will dominate the veteran trade market during and after the draft. Feel like some teams are on hold seeing how the draft falls to them but Mayer, Goedert and a Raven all seem possible to likely.

I could see this as well. Personally, I think Mayer is overrated and would take guys like Arroyo or Ferguson over him, but Goedert and especially Andrews feel well above your non-Warren/Loveland prospects.

I would guess the price tag is roughly:
Andrews/3rd rounder
Goedert/4th rounder
Mayer/5th rounder

How about 22 for 27 and Andrews? The value chart delta between 22 and 27 is 100 points, roughly equivalent to an end of 3rd round pick.

I think that's tougher than the trade chart says, just because the difference is 2 top 100 players vs 1 for the Ravens. Maybe if there was a guy they REALLY wanted at #22 who they didn't think would make it to #27, but in this draft that feels less valuable than the 3rd rounder to me. Possible though.

I kind of had the same reaction. As a Chargers fan, I would rather have 27 and Andrews. Then again, given his age and salary level, I'm not sure if a 3rd is right. I had been thinking it would take a 4th.

I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I don't see the Ravens trading up 5 spots with the cost being Andrews. Especially in THIS draft where - from everything I've read - there are about 13 "1st round" picks and about 60 "2nd round" grades. Someone would REALLY have to fall for them to do that. I think they'd rather trade him for a 3rd or 4th straight-up.

Again, I'm terrible at predicting this kind of stuff. I don't want Andrews to go anywhere. He's one of the best players the Baltimore Ravens have ever had. I'm just thinking there's a salary crunch coming here.

Just to throw it out there, am I the only one whom thinks Andrews is still clearly better than Likely?

Like I think Andrews is a much better route runner, much better blocker, and typically has better hands (though Andrews had some yips last year) Likely is really only better at run after catch in my eyes.

Like, I think the offense would miss Andrews a ton. Though I do wonder if they traded Andrews, if they might run a lot more 3-WR sets, and possibly draft a WR early.

Oh, definitely they'd miss him. He allows Baltimore to do a lot of different things. Even when he was struggling early last season, opposing teams were still accounting for him.

Plus, he and Lamar Jackson are really good friends. I don't know how much, if at all, that'll play into this.

I don't think they'd miss him, not in the sense he would create some hole, gap or need. He's been unavailable or not overly productive for the last 1.5 seasons and they've not skipped a beat.

He was 4th in the NFL (1st at TE) in TD catches last season. I mean, that's pretty productive.