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The 2009 K Thread (1 Viewer)

“The real short one [missed FG] was unacceptable. Plain and simple.” - Jacksonville Jaguars kicker Josh Scobee http://bit.ly/5EqRC1 #NFL 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Billy Cundiff FG gives Ravens 20-17 OT win over Steelers http://bit.ly/8uC3lH #NFL 8 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Jason Elam has another key missed FG for Falcons http://bit.ly/6SAltK #NFL 9 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Montreal Alouettes' kicker Damon Duval makes up for earlier miscues in Grey Cup victory http://bit.ly/4GYaND #CFL 23 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Strong run for Eagles kicker David Akers http://bit.ly/7OoC2A #NFL 31 minutes ago from TweetDeck

 
What is everyone expecting from John Carney tonight? Its supposed to be a shootout, which I fully expect, but do you think that he'll get a few fgs or what? The Saints have had a tendency to go for it on fourth as opposed to giving Carney a shot. Your thoughts?

 
I think a couple FGs might be in order for Carney this evening. However, if the Saints happen to fall behind early, his likelihood of FGs diminishes markedly.

 
Carney looked absolutely terrible last night...just didn't look comfortable, even on PAT's.

Any chance we see him inactive this week and Payton gets Hartley in there?

 
Many of us only carry one kicker. And many leagues close waivers after the regular fantasy season finale. So how confident are you if you have Carney as your only kicker entering the playoffs? He looked shaky to me last night and I'm considering swapping him out for a lower scoring option to avoid taking a goose egg when it matters the most, especially since New Orleans is already carrying a viable alterrnative on their roster in Garrett Hartley. Am I overthinking this situation? :wall:

 
I'm concerned for the first time. Bironas is still available in my league but it's awfully difficult to drop a kicker on an offense that's averaging 37 points per game. Even when Carney isn't great like last night he's still been productive.

 
If the Saints are going to hold onto Hartley, wouldn't this be a time to make the switch? Otherwise, what are they keeping him around for?

 
Chunky Soup said:
If the Saints are going to hold onto Hartley, wouldn't this be a time to make the switch? Otherwise, what are they keeping him around for?
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My guess is for the future. Is he under contract for next season? If so, then they're keeping him for the future and keeping Carney for this season. The Giants did the same thing last season with Carney and Tynes.
 
T @Adam_Schefter: wholesale special teams changes in Atlanta. K Jason Elam, LS Bryan Pittman released; K Matt Bryant, LS Joe Zelenka signed

 
Veteran kicker Jason Elam felt that he had one more miss before the Falcons would release him.He was correct. The missed 43-yard field goal on Sunday against Tampa Bay was his last miss for the Falcons. The legendary kicker and Bryan Pittman, the team's long snapper, were both released on Tuesday. The team signed former Tampa Bay kicker Matt Bryant and long snapper Joe Zelenka to to take their roster spots. The team had also worked out kicker Paul Edinger and long snapper Jeff Robinson on Tuesday. Last week, former Georgia standout Brandon Coutu, Steve Hauschka, Sam Swank and Shane Andrus all worked out, but were extended a contract offer.

Elam has missed seven field goals this season after making 29 of 31 attempts in 2008. He had key misses in the past three games, a 34-yarder in a two-point loss to Carolina and a 35-yarder against the New York Giants on Sunday. The Falcons lost in overtime 34-31 against the Giants. Against Carolina, Elam, who appears to look down at the holder and not at the center, started and stopped his motion before the ball was snapped to Koenen by Pittman. This signaled, perhaps, that the ball might not have been snapped after Koenen gave the signal. Against the Giants, Elam appeared to hesitate slightly before going into his motion. It appears that the unit's timing is off.

Elam, a star at Brookwood High School, is one of the games storied kickers. He is tied with Tom Dempsey for making the longest field goal (63 yards) in NFL history. He was signed in March 2008 to a four-year, $9 million contact, which included a $3.3 million in guarantees. He's making $1.7 million this season and is set to make $1.97 in 2010 and $2 million in 2011.

Bryant was cut by Tampa Bay at the end training camp, while coming back from a hamstring injury. He played for the Bucs from 2005-2008. He broke in with the New York Giants in 2002. Bryant, 5-foot-9 and 200 pounds, has made 138 of 168 field goals (82.1 percent) and 181 of 185 (97.8 percent) of his extra points over his career. He played collegiately at Baylor. Zeleneka has snapped in 157 games, including eight years in Jacksonville. Several of the Falcons coaches, including head coach Mike Smith came from Jacksonville.
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Falcons signed former Buc kicker Matt Bryant. I am so glad to see Matt Bryant back in the NFL. He is a great guy and I think the Bucs should have kept him this year. He doesn't have a good leg for 45+ yard FG's, but if it is 40 or less he is pretty much automatic.

 
Hey Capyberra, the Saints can't be keeping trotting Carney out there, can they? He could not look any worse.

 
Tynes was doing so well in the beginning of the season, I thought I had my kicker position all but settled.

The offensive woes and the unfriendly winds at the meadowlands have me a bit worried, has anyone jumped ship? what other kicker did you nab? I've been contemplating going after Prater or even Mare but just can't pull the trigger just yet.

 
I dropped Tynes on his bye(week10) for Bironas and like that choice so far. A lot depends on whats available on your wire. If there are enough candidates to play matchups each week on your wire, you could do that too. I think Matt Bryant is an intriguing choice, Dome kicker, decent offense, Atlanta seems to get a lot attempts. You could also hold on to Tynes, and pickup his replacement, if they dump him.

 
Freeman5 said:
Falcons signed former Buc kicker Matt Bryant. I am so glad to see Matt Bryant back in the NFL. He is a great guy and I think the Bucs should have kept him this year. He doesn't have a good leg for 45+ yard FG's, but if it is 40 or less he is pretty much automatic.
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didn't he drill that game winning 62 yd'er in 06?
 
Mike Herman said:
Liquid Tension said:
Mike Herman said:
RT @Adam_Schefter: With K Neil

"Matt [stover]'s been phenomenal and I wouldn't be surprise if we kept him the whole year.” Colts president Bill Polian http://bit.ly/6ijnk8 5:24 AM Nov 25th from TweetDeck
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Thanks Mike; I guess that means Vandy may not play?
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[i'll assume you meant Vina and not Vandy]. Sounds like they're leaning towards letting Stover play out the year, and letting Vinatieri extra fully heal. Similar to what the Giants did last year with Carney (not to imply that Tynes and Vinatieri have comparable track records). Plus, with McAfee handling kickoffs, Stover is probably the Colts' best bet on placekicking anyway.
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I ALWAYS carry two kickers into the playoffs. Picked up Stover based on this info. Good thing as I am getting worried now about Tynes.
 
BRONG said:
Hey Capyberra, the Saints can't be keeping trotting Carney out there, can they? He could not look any worse.
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They can and may very well do so. There's about four years of kicker saga behind the current scenario in New Orleans. In the video in the following link, they touch on this subject: link
 
The Giants didn't sign a kicker yesterday so it's likely that they'll ride Tynes for the rest of the year. He's currently the #3 PK in my league (3 pts from #1). I'll gladly ride him the rest of the way. The Giants are still getting a lot of FG opps even though the offense is struggling.

 
r0llin_game said:
Freeman5 said:
Falcons signed former Buc kicker Matt Bryant. I am so glad to see Matt Bryant back in the NFL. He is a great guy and I think the Bucs should have kept him this year. He doesn't have a good leg for 45+ yard FG's, but if it is 40 or less he is pretty much automatic.
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didn't he drill that game winning 62 yd'er in 06?
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He certainly did. Although in '07 & '08 he was 0-for-6 from 50+ yards. Also came up short on a 47 yarder last year. His longest kick this year in the UFL was 41 yards.
 
Really? All you guys roll into the playoffs with 2 kickers? I can understand it on the guys with question marks, but with some of the others, like say Bironas :thumbup: , I'll go with what little risk there is.

 
from Sean Payton press conference:

With the miss and near-miss by John Carney and Garrett Hartley on the roster, do you look at the kicking situation more closely now?

“I think you pay attention to the performance of your players and certainly you do with John. The difference is that you probably can’t bring two kickers and a punter up to the game day roster so we’ll continue to work with both of them and continue to clean up the operation with the first group and continue to give Garrett work and monitor his progress and put the best player out there each week that we think gives us the best chance to win.”

Was that a good snap and hold on the missed field goal?

“I thought the snap and the hold were good, he just pushed it a little bit. He’s been consistent and I just think he missed it.”



Are you concerned about the kicking game?

“Not right now. We constantly pay attention to how we can improve. How’s our get-off? All those things. As a coaching staff, our job is to really look closely at all aspects and make sure we’re improving in all areas. There were some things in the running game last week that I wasn’t pleased with; there were some things from a protection standpoint and defensively there were a number of things that we saw and Gregg will be working on this week to correct, no different than the operation in snapping, holding and kicking a field goal or extra point. Those are just things that we have to pay attention to. He hit the upright and we made the first field goal. I think that part of the reason that Garrett’s here is that we feel like we have a young, talented player that’s going to play a long time for us that we saw play well last year. We’ll continue to evaluate both he and John.”

On the extra point that was almost wide right, you looked a little unhappy. Were you?

“I’m sure I was. There are a number of things that make me unhappy during the game. I’m not going to go back and revisit them.”

Would you have to make a decision soon if you were to stick with John Carney or turn to Garrett Hartley?

“I don’t think so. Both of those guys are getting plenty of work right now. We’re fortunate enough to be able to carry the extra kicker, just like we are maybe an extra receiver that doesn’t get to the game, an offensive lineman that doesn’t get to the game. We put the inactives down each week and it varies some. I think there are times where because of injuries you might get pressed with that luxury. Fortunately, to date, we’ve been able to find room elsewhere and that has provided us that depth and we’ll continue to work just as we have been.”

 
Chunky Soup said:
Anyone picking up Hartley based on this news? :unsure:
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A young kicker with good results so far that plays for an explosive offense on a good, stable team whose home stadium is a dome. Crazy not to pick him up in a dynasty - he was on the WW in every league this week too.
 
Mike Herman said:
r0llin_game said:
Freeman5 said:
Falcons signed former Buc kicker Matt Bryant. I am so glad to see Matt Bryant back in the NFL. He is a great guy and I think the Bucs should have kept him this year. He doesn't have a good leg for 45+ yard FG's, but if it is 40 or less he is pretty much automatic.
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didn't he drill that game winning 62 yd'er in 06?
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He certainly did. Although in '07 & '08 he was 0-for-6 from 50+ yards. Also came up short on a 47 yarder last year. His longest kick this year in the UFL was 41 yards.
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Which game was he short from 47 in?
 
r0llin_game said:
Mike Herman said:
r0llin_game said:
Freeman5 said:
Falcons signed former Buc kicker Matt Bryant. I am so glad to see Matt Bryant back in the NFL. He is a great guy and I think the Bucs should have kept him this year. He doesn't have a good leg for 45+ yard FG's, but if it is 40 or less he is pretty much automatic.
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didn't he drill that game winning 62 yd'er in 06?
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He certainly did. Although in '07 & '08 he was 0-for-6 from 50+ yards. Also came up short on a 47 yarder last year. His longest kick this year in the UFL was 41 yards.
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Which game was he short from 47 in?
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vs. Seattle, week 7, final play of the first half: link
 
Mike Herman said:
r0llin_game said:
Mike Herman said:
r0llin_game said:
Freeman5 said:
Falcons signed former Buc kicker Matt Bryant. I am so glad to see Matt Bryant back in the NFL. He is a great guy and I think the Bucs should have kept him this year. He doesn't have a good leg for 45+ yard FG's, but if it is 40 or less he is pretty much automatic.
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didn't he drill that game winning 62 yd'er in 06?
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He certainly did. Although in '07 & '08 he was 0-for-6 from 50+ yards. Also came up short on a 47 yarder last year. His longest kick this year in the UFL was 41 yards.
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Which game was he short from 47 in?
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vs. Seattle, week 7, final play of the first half: link
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thanks! good info
 
“It’s leg speed, just like in golf. It can’t be leg strength, or Patrick Kerney would be kicking off.” - Olindo Mare http://bit.ly/4DjBot about 5 hours ago from TweetDeck

Saints Coach Sean Payton keeping an eye on the kicking game http://bit.ly/5Aqm8D #NFL about 5 hours ago from TweetDeck

Tennessee Titans kicker Rob Bironas was held out of practice today with an ankle injury http://bit.ly/6lKHcd #NFL about 14 hours ago from TweetDeck

Saints HC Sean Payton discusses John Carney and Garrett Hartley http://bit.ly/8O1Z6t #NFL about 14 hours ago fro

 
Mike Herman said:
“It’s leg speed, just like in golf. It can’t be leg strength, or Patrick Kerney would be kicking off.” - Olindo Mare http://bit.ly/4DjBot about 5 hours ago from TweetDeck

Saints Coach Sean Payton keeping an eye on the kicking game http://bit.ly/5Aqm8D #NFL about 5 hours ago from TweetDeck

Tennessee Titans kicker Rob Bironas was held out of practice today with an ankle injury http://bit.ly/6lKHcd #NFL about 14 hours ago from TweetDeck

Saints HC Sean Payton discusses John Carney and Garrett Hartley http://bit.ly/8O1Z6t #NFL about 14 hours ago fro
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From the gist of Payton's comments it doesn't sound to me like Carney's job is in any immediate danger. Another game like he had against NE, though, and things could change.
 
DALLAS

Dallas Cowboys kicker Nick Folk has missed four of his last eight field-goal tries, but coach Wade Phillips continues to express confidence in him. That is consistent with Phillips' coaching philosophy. While some members of the NFL coaching fraternity can barely tolerate kickers, Phillips has show extraordinary patience with them. This is his eighth season as a full-fledged NFL head coach. In that time, Phillips has never made an in-season change at kicker. His teams have used only three kickers: Jason Elam with Denver, Steve Christie with Buffalo and Folk. By comparison, Bill Parcells went through five kickers in his last two seasons as the Cowboys' coach.
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I don't know what Payton is thinking. He has a Super Bowl team and his kicker is a total wreck; something he could fix now. I don't get the denial, besides not wanting to rattle Carney's f'd up head even more.

 
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll said:
I don't know what Payton is thinking. He has a Super Bowl team and his kicker is a total wreck; something he could fix now. I don't get the denial, besides not wanting to rattle Carney's f'd up head even more.
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I suspect that Payton and/or the organization is still spooked by all the kicking woes they experienced after the last time they dumped Carney (despite the fact that Hartley was the one exception during the latter part of last year).
 
Mike Herman said:
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll said:
I don't know what Payton is thinking. He has a Super Bowl team and his kicker is a total wreck; something he could fix now. I don't get the denial, besides not wanting to rattle Carney's f'd up head even more.
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I suspect that Payton and/or the organization is still spooked by all the kicking woes they experienced after the last time they dumped Carney (despite the fact that Hartley was the one exception during the latter part of last year).
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Then they should be trying out other kickers. I can understand the coachspeak, but not addressing a potential big problem, I don't get.So what's up with Bironas?
 
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