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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (1 Viewer)

NCCommish said:
All Panthers picks but Corn and Butker signed. All UDFAs signed. Nice to have it largely out of the way.
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I believe all the picks are signed now. Not messing around this year. I think the front office is working hard to give the offense what it needed and the defense (via FA more) and getting out of the way. I am sure they are now combing through every FA on the market. Happy with this offseason, complete opposite of last year in terms of free agency and our franchise tag. Even the draft was a lot better, partially just because we sucked enough to have better picks in every round.

 
stbugs said:
I believe all the picks are signed now. Not messing around this year. I think the front office is working hard to give the offense what it needed and the defense (via FA more) and getting out of the way. I am sure they are now combing through every FA on the market. Happy with this offseason, complete opposite of last year in terms of free agency and our franchise tag. Even the draft was a lot better, partially just because we sucked enough to have better picks in every round.
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Yeah its been a decent off-season.

 
Bradberry fractured his wrist diving for a ball. He is going to be in a cast for 6 weeks. Is expected to be a full go for camp. May even be able to get reps in minicamp.

In Cam news he is expected to start throwing on the side next week.

 
Noah Davis said:
and the way they handled Steve Smith, D. Will, Trai Turner, Mario Addison, J. Norman franchise fiasco...etc..
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I will give you Norman but he approached those others as a business and not personal.  Same goes with Olsen and TD.  Hurney got too close to the players and it was DG that had to dig out of all of those stupid contracts.  There has to be more to this, has to be

 
Noah Davis said:
and the way they handled Steve Smith, D. Will, Trai Turner, Mario Addison, J. Norman franchise fiasco...etc..
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Well hopefully Olsen is happy now since it seems likely his holdout threat was the trigger. So I guess we go back to the days of cap hell and overpaying guys on the wrong side of 30.

Personally I prefer 3 playoff berths and a Super Bowl appearance in 4 years.

 
NCCommish said:
Well hopefully Olsen is happy now since it seems likely his holdout threat was the trigger. So I guess we go back to the days of cap hell and overpaying guys on the wrong side of 30.

Personally I prefer 3 playoff berths and a Super Bowl appearance in 4 years.
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pretty much this, there better be something criminal attached to this and even then it would make it hard for me to get rid of DG. 

 
pantherclub said:
pretty much this, there better be something criminal attached to this and even then it would make it hard for me to get rid of DG. 
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All the rumors are that it stems from Richardson's "loyally" to long time players. Yeah loyally is why NE has all those rings. At this point I view this as a huge negative move and it makes me wonder what message it sends to the next GM.

 
Gettleman was doing exactly what NFL GM's have to do to win.

Richardson is too nice.  Prepare for big $ to be given to players who's best days are behind them.

 
So what was supposed to happen was a new contract for TD this year and a new contract for Olsen next year. It was being done this way to allow for controlling the cap long term. TD has one year left and Olsen has two. It makes sense. Yes Olsen outplayed his contract no doubt. And he would have likely gotten a large upfront payment. But I guess he ran through the 12 million he got a couple years ago and couldn't wait.

I do get the get paid now thing. But there are a lot of moving parts to keeping a team together with a hard cap. And we need more than one 32 year old TE to get it done.

 
Gettleman has made some moves I really disagreed with, but he is a shrewd GM and excellent at identifying talent.  This has to be a huge loss.   Would rather see Ron, Shula, and the older players walk before Gettleman.

 
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NCCommish said:
Oh lucky us. Now an over the hill RB wants to come back to the team. Sign him quick Jerry.
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The Panthers (Hurney rather) gave both stewart and Dwill way more money then they should have ever seen.  Dwill should be grateful and stop acting smug.  Also releasing Smith was the absolute right thing to do

 
So he drafts well while ruthlessly deciding that the old and injured get cut and/or don't get paid. Sounds like a winning NFL GM to me

 
Noah Davis said:
and the way they handled Steve Smith, D. Will, Trai Turner, Mario Addison, J. Norman franchise fiasco...etc..
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As far as Smith goes. I know several people who are close to the team. They all said the same thing. Smith was an active hindrance to bringing along the young talent. He wasn't interested in mentoring all he wanted to do was tell them.they weren't as good as him and never would be. He also resented the attention Cam got and made it clear. He had to go

Norman's agent caused that fiasco. He admitted as much by firing him over it.

Deangelo was taking up roster space and cap with declining production.

 
spider321 said:
Gettleman was doing exactly what NFL GM's have to do to win.

Richardson is too nice.  Prepare for big $ to be given to players who's best days are behind them.
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Richardson isn't always Mr. Nice Guy. He fired his two sons back in '09, and he managed to squeeze money out of the taxpayers to renovate the stadium. He also sent a letter out to PSL owners during Fox's last year apologizing to the owners for the bad season, even though he gutted the team (to more than likely prep for the lockout during the collective bargaining thing) leaving Fox little to work with. Fox didn't even know about the letter until a reporter informed him after he was asked about it. 

 
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Unsettling news, especially with the timing.  Got to be more to it than a looming Olsen holdout.  Outside of recending Norman's franchise tag, I think DG did a good job.  Who's next.. and will the new GM be afraid to make a tough decision?

 
Sad news for Panthers fans, but we have to remember it is a business that a guy owns. It's the NFL so it is a profitable business almost no matter what. So the owner has 2 options: be cut throat and try to win at all costs or "do right" by his employees and create a more positive work culture. The former is better for the fans, but that might not be how the owner wants things. We had that issue in Detroit will Millen and Ford. The owner knew Millen sucked, but they were buddies and the team was making money so why fire your buddy?

 
#Panthers owner Jerry Richardson and Marty Hurney meeting today, league source said. If all goes well, he's expected to be named interim GM.

sometimes there are simply no words

Getting old and completely losing your mind must not be a fun thing to go through

 
I really find it hard to believe they would bring back Hurney. There will be fan backlash. Might be a lot of empty seats this season.

 
NCCommish said:
I really find it hard to believe they would bring back Hurney. There will be fan backlash. Might be a lot of empty seats this season.
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They being the big cat.  He has really lost his mind if this goes down.  He is being too much like Jerry Jones and not letting the GM do his job.  Its still hard for me to fathom that all of this started because Olsen and Davis started beating their chest about money. 

 
pantherclub said:
They being the big cat.  He has really lost his mind if this goes down.  He is being too much like Jerry Jones and not letting the GM do his job.  Its still hard for me to fathom that all of this started because Olsen and Davis started beating their chest about money. 
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The crazy thing with TD is he wants more money and the plan is to reduce his role and snap count. They have to get Shaq on the field for more snaps as he is an impact player in the making. TD is winding down. And really he took a lot of.money and sat. He would have been cut a long time ago most teams.

Of course being known as the owners favorite player buys you some slack.

 
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NCCommish said:
The crazy thing with TD is he wants more money and the plan is to reduce his role and snap count. They have to get Shaq on the field for more snaps as he is an impact player in the making. TD is winding down. And really he took a lot of.money and sat. He would have been cut a long time ago most teams.

Of course being known as the owners favorite player buys you some slack.
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To be fair TD has made the Pro Bowl that last two seasons, the only times he has ever made the Pro Bowl. I think he was also All Pro in one of the last 2 years.

That being said I understand that he is long in the tooth 

 
Yenrub said:
To be fair TD has made the Pro Bowl that last two seasons, the only times he has ever made the Pro Bowl. I think he was also All Pro in one of the last 2 years.

That being said I understand that he is long in the tooth 
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Don't get.me wrong. I love TD as a player and a person. I hope he retires as a Panther. But yeah players have a tendency to fall off a cliff when time catches up. Paying for past performance this late in a career is usually not good.

 
NCCommish said:
Don't get.me wrong. I love TD as a player and a person. I hope he retires as a Panther. But yeah players have a tendency to fall off a cliff when time catches up. Paying for past performance this late in a career is usually not good.
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I just looked TD up. Holy crap I didn't realize he was going to be 34 this season

 
pantherclub said:
^and crying about money after the panthers stuck by him through 3 acl tears.   The road goes both ways. 
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He hasn't cried about money. He was in the negotiation stages when Gettleman was fired, and Davis said things were going well. He also said it isn't fair for people to say that he and Greg were part of the reason Gettleman was let go. He said they (he and Greg) aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.

 
simey said:
He hasn't cried about money. He was in the negotiation stages when Gettleman was fired, and Davis said things were going well. He also said it isn't fair for people to say that he and Greg were part of the reason Gettleman was let go. He said they (he and Greg) aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
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Well that's a convenient opinion to have. The timing suggests otherwise.

 
simey said:
He hasn't cried about money. He was in the negotiation stages when Gettleman was fired, and Davis said things were going well. He also said it isn't fair for people to say that he and Greg were part of the reason Gettleman was let go. He said they (he and Greg) aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
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Of course he said that

 
NCCommish said:
Well that's a convenient opinion to have. The timing suggests otherwise.
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:tinfoilhat:  People are going to believe what they want to anyway, aren't they?  You mentioned a fan backlash if Hurney is brought back as an interim GM. If he is, I hope that fans aren't petty enough to not show up for games. If those type of fans don't show up, they will if the cats start winning games. My mom and dad will show up no matter who is GM.

 
pantherclub said:
They being the big cat.  He has really lost his mind if this goes down.  He is being too much like Jerry Jones and not letting the GM do his job.  Its still hard for me to fathom that all of this started because Olsen and Davis started beating their chest about money. 
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Jerry has really kind of gotten out of that business. He really hasn't been doing that for several years now. When they go to the point a handful of years ago and said shut up, we are building a dominant line. We are getting another receiver this year. We aren't getting Johnny Manziel next year."  We are picking nits but it isn't fair to put Jones in that boat anymore.

 
I hope there is nothing, nothing, nothing truthful about Thomas Davis related to this move because Thomas Davis as a person and as a success despite all the injuries is nothing but the kind of stuff you root for and want on your team. And it goes both ways because the Panthers stuck by him through THREE ACL tears and that is not only unlikely but pretty much unheard of. I give a LOT of credit to the Panthers for helping save his career (he wouldn't gotten a chance anywhere else after all the injuries) and I give a lot of credit to Davis for making them as good a team as they become. They deserve to do right by one another. 

 
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