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My damned DVR cut off towards the end. The last part I got was Stan at the movies with his wife, then (the start of?) Phillip's voice over while Elizabeth was locking windows in the bedroom and walking away from them. Did anything else happen after?

Can someone shed some light on what happened at the carnival when Phillip had to sub for the other guy on the drop? I watched it twice but am evidently too :bag: to know if I understood it.
Don't think you missed anything.

At the carnival, the guy just needed Phillip to sub because the guy he was meeting had been followed for a while. He'd met with him a couple times during that span and was worried the follow guys would start to recognize him.

 
I had a feeling Phil's new friend was gonna get whacked as soon as we met him. total redshirt vibe.

and I assume the son knows nothing about his parents' spy life, but now he knows Phil is involved in their death. not good.

 
So, the Bayer aspirin bottle stuff was from the drop? I'm sure it was obvious, but I'm having a hard time connecting the dots these days.

 
So, the Bayer aspirin bottle stuff was from the drop? I'm sure it was obvious, but I'm having a hard time connecting the dots these days.
I think so. Though, at first, I thought he'd gotten it from the hotel room (when he got a little booklet of codes from the suitcase).

But the hand-off makes more sense. I couldn't tell what he got at first, but I recall it being the size of the aspirin bottle.

I don't think the guy explained much about the intelligence being exchanged in the hand-off. Just why Phillip should do it, and why he should involve his son.

 
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What an awesome start to the season. Although my DVR cut off in the same place as Uruk-Hai.
There's something about this show that makes my DVR go wonky. It cut off almost all the episodes in half over the last month when I was trying to watch Season 1.

Last night, the 10:00 showing cut-off about 40 minutes into the episode, and the program title switched to "to be announced". Luckily, it still recorded the later showing.

 
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I had a feeling Phil's new friend was gonna get whacked as soon as we met him. total redshirt vibe.

and I assume the son knows nothing about his parents' spy life, but now he knows Phil is involved in their death. not good.
Where are you assuming that from? Phil never met the kid and they barely made eye contact on the way down the hallway. I love that this show is based in the 80's so I dont have problems with "why didnt the video cameras show him there" which so many current shows ignore.

 
I had a feeling Phil's new friend was gonna get whacked as soon as we met him. total redshirt vibe.

and I assume the son knows nothing about his parents' spy life, but now he knows Phil is involved in their death. not good.
Where are you assuming that from? Phil never met the kid and they barely made eye contact on the way down the hallway. I love that this show is based in the 80's so I dont have problems with "why didnt the video cameras show him there" which so many current shows ignore.
hmm, maybe you're right. for some reason, I thought the kid knew him. better for the show if he doesn't.

 
So, the Bayer aspirin bottle stuff was from the drop? I'm sure it was obvious, but I'm having a hard time connecting the dots these days.
Yes. Wasn't there coded numbers on those scrolls and/or the picture of something (looked like a piece of equipment almost like a bom box) rolled up in the bottle?

 
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I had a feeling Phil's new friend was gonna get whacked as soon as we met him. total redshirt vibe.

and I assume the son knows nothing about his parents' spy life, but now he knows Phil is involved in their death. not good.
Where are you assuming that from? Phil never met the kid and they barely made eye contact on the way down the hallway. I love that this show is based in the 80's so I dont have problems with "why didnt the video cameras show him there" which so many current shows ignore.
hmm, maybe you're right. for some reason, I thought the kid knew him. better for the show if he doesn't.
Didn't know him but made direct eye contact with him as he was walking away from his family's room. The kid gives him a polite smile And Phil has a nervous look about him. Kid brushes it off only to walk in and find his family murdered. I bet he remembers the strange guy hurrying away from his family's room that day.

 
Great opener. One thing i didnt understand unless it was a plot hole. They invite their new spy buddies to the carnival so they can see each others kids and the friends conveniently had a mission in the same spot?

 
Great opener. One thing i didnt understand unless it was a plot hole. They invite their new spy buddies to the carnival so they can see each others kids and the friends conveniently had a mission in the same spot?
Funny. I came back to the thread as I just realized the same thing.

 
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in the opening fight, I think there was some terrible editing or something, after Phillip said something like send this message to your people he turned around and was a few feet away from the guy on teh ground, next second the guy grabs him and they start to brawl, but the editing seemed so weird because he was too far away at that point to be grabbed like that, I thought he had grabbed the other fallen guy or something.

 
I enjoyed this one- great sense of paranoia pervaded through acting, directing and editing.

Can someone remind me... besides being a plot device, why is the daughter so freaking nosy and suspicious of her parents? I don't recall ever doubting or questioning a thing my parents told me, let alone giving me cause to start digging around through their personal items.

 
I enjoyed this one- great sense of paranoia pervaded through acting, directing and editing. Can someone remind me... besides being a plot device, why is the daughter so freaking nosy and suspicious of her parents? I don't recall ever doubting or questioning a thing my parents told me, let alone giving me cause to start digging around through their personal items.
Were your parents Russian spies living in America constantly talking about their spy work in the home?

 
I enjoyed this one- great sense of paranoia pervaded through acting, directing and editing. Can someone remind me... besides being a plot device, why is the daughter so freaking nosy and suspicious of her parents? I don't recall ever doubting or questioning a thing my parents told me, let alone giving me cause to start digging around through their personal items.
Were your parents Russian spies living in America constantly talking about their spy work in the home?
I don't remember the girl overhearing anything... is that what happened?

 
re: the teen daughter's suspicions... i'm thinking that she is suspicious of all the comings/goings as they potentially relate to her parents' separation last season. Likely still nervous/paranoid that one or both of them has a relationship going on the side. Nothing related to spy business.

 
I enjoyed this one- great sense of paranoia pervaded through acting, directing and editing. Can someone remind me... besides being a plot device, why is the daughter so freaking nosy and suspicious of her parents? I don't recall ever doubting or questioning a thing my parents told me, let alone giving me cause to start digging around through their personal items.
Were your parents Russian spies living in America constantly talking about their spy work in the home?
I don't remember the girl overhearing anything... is that what happened?
It seems like the suspicion showed up in the last episode of season 1. I can't remember exactly what happened, but the daughter asked her mother what she was doing down in the basement or up so late at night/early morning or something like that, and the mother said she was doing laundry. The daughter later would check to see if the laundry had been done. Maybe since the parents separated for awhile she is wondering if they are having affairs or swinging. I'm not sure what she thinks may be going on.

 
Paige started her snooping ways last year when she caught Elizabeth coming from the garage at like 2 in the morning and her response was she was folding laundry. Even a stupid little kid knows that's a load of B.S.

eta: what simey said.

 
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Paige started her snooping ways last year when she caught Elizabeth coming from the garage at like 2 in the morning and her response was she was folding laundry. Even a stupid little kid knows that's a load of B.S.

eta: what simey said.
I guess I was a stupid little kid. :shrug:

If my mom was wearing an Evil Kneivel suit with sparklers at 2am and told me she was just folding laundry, I still would've believed her.

eta: the separation does make sense as a catalyst for distrust though- pretty much forgot about that.

 
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I enjoyed this one- great sense of paranoia pervaded through acting, directing and editing. Can someone remind me... besides being a plot device, why is the daughter so freaking nosy and suspicious of her parents? I don't recall ever doubting or questioning a thing my parents told me, let alone giving me cause to start digging around through their personal items.
Were your parents Russian spies living in America constantly talking about their spy work in the home?
I don't remember the girl overhearing anything... is that what happened?
What others said, but I was referring to the general feel of the home and possibly things we haven't seen.

It would be hard to interweave such outrageous secrets and not give some sort of hints that something fishy is going on.

It makes sense they would've gotten overconfident with the things they've said and done, not knowing when the kids might start get smart enough to notice some clues.

With a big theme of the show being the spies feeling too comfortable in the lives they pretend to lead, they might start to get too comfortable and let their guard down at home (like a normal couple).

 
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oso diablo said:
re: the teen daughter's suspicions... i'm thinking that she is suspicious of all the comings/goings as they potentially relate to her parents' separation last season. Likely still nervous/paranoid that one or both of them has a relationship going on the side. Nothing related to spy business.
This. Typical teen nosiness. She has no idea what they're into.

 
El Floppo said:
Plorfu said:
Paige started her snooping ways last year when she caught Elizabeth coming from the garage at like 2 in the morning and her response was she was folding laundry. Even a stupid little kid knows that's a load of B.S.

eta: what simey said.
I guess I was a stupid little kid. :shrug:

If my mom was wearing an Evil Kneivel suit with sparklers at 2am and told me she was just folding laundry, I still would've believed her.

eta: the separation does make sense as a catalyst for distrust though- pretty much forgot about that.
Affairs have a way of making kids not trust their parents.

 
El Floppo said:
Plorfu said:
Paige started her snooping ways last year when she caught Elizabeth coming from the garage at like 2 in the morning and her response was she was folding laundry. Even a stupid little kid knows that's a load of B.S.

eta: what simey said.
I guess I was a stupid little kid. :shrug: If my mom was wearing an Evil Kneivel suit with sparklers at 2am and told me she was just folding laundry, I still would've believed her.

eta: the separation does make sense as a catalyst for distrust though- pretty much forgot about that.
Affairs have a way of making kids not trust their parents.
who said thats why they separated
 
Yeah, as others have said. The daughter is a teenager. We've seen the daughter butt heads several times with the mother. The parents are separated, which can be a tough thing on kids, especially at those ages. So naturally, with all of that in mind, when your mother comes walking from out of the garage at 2 am, you are suspicious. That, coupled with natural curiosity, you have a nosy teenage daughter, who hasn't put the real pieces together, but wants to find out what is really going on.

 
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Oh, and let me add that because of the nature of their real jobs, the parents are constantly ditching the kids for this or that. The father leaving town for a few days. On and on... surprised the son hasn't become suspicious yet. I guess he's the younger one who just wants the ol' family back together and doesn't want to know...?

 
El Floppo said:
Plorfu said:
Paige started her snooping ways last year when she caught Elizabeth coming from the garage at like 2 in the morning and her response was she was folding laundry. Even a stupid little kid knows that's a load of B.S.

eta: what simey said.
I guess I was a stupid little kid. :shrug:

If my mom was wearing an Evil Kneivel suit with sparklers at 2am and told me she was just folding laundry, I still would've believed her.

eta: the separation does make sense as a catalyst for distrust though- pretty much forgot about that.
I'm with you...I was in my own little world until I went to college.

 
So who did kill the family in Alexandria? Did the KGB whack them since they were compromised? Did the FBI/CIA take them out if they were trailing "Fred"?

(I'm assuming the FBI/CIA knew who the family was since Fred said he didn't recognize them and Phillip said he was there and saw the bodies.)

Were the utility company workers also KGB trying to send the message to Keri Russell?

 
So who did kill the family in Alexandria? Did the KGB whack them since they were compromised? Did the FBI/CIA take them out if they were trailing "Fred"?

(I'm assuming the FBI/CIA knew who the family was since Fred said he didn't recognize them and Phillip said he was there and saw the bodies.)

Were the utility company workers also KGB trying to send the message to Keri Russell?
I think it's the KGB, or at least that's what I feel we're being led to believe.

 
So who did kill the family in Alexandria? Did the KGB whack them since they were compromised? Did the FBI/CIA take them out if they were trailing "Fred"?

(I'm assuming the FBI/CIA knew who the family was since Fred said he didn't recognize them and Phillip said he was there and saw the bodies.)

Were the utility company workers also KGB trying to send the message to Keri Russell?
I think she was just paranoid with the utility workers. She was suspicious of everyone in the neighborhood when she went to get the newspaper.

I'm not sure if we're supposed to know yet who killed the family.

 
Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure we’d see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says “Don’t worry, he’ll be taken care of.” So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.

 
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Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure we’d see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says “Don’t worry, he’ll be taken care of.” So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.
Based on last season, I took that as Mother Russia will make sure the kid will be provided for. But I guess it could be taken the other way as well- Russia will "take care of him"... ie: take him out.

There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.

 
Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure we’d see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says “Don’t worry, he’ll be taken care of.” So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.
Based on last season, I took that as Mother Russia will make sure the kid will be provided for. But I guess it could be taken the other way as well- Russia will "take care of him"... ie: take him out.

There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
I took it as he will be provided also for but there is definitely the double meaning the way he worded it.

 
Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure we’d see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says “Don’t worry, he’ll be taken care of.” So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.
Based on last season, I took that as Mother Russia will make sure the kid will be provided for. But I guess it could be taken the other way as well- Russia will "take care of him"... ie: take him out.

There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
We've seen how Mother Russia "takes care" of its victims. Remember the mother and her kid from Season 1? The one they said was going to Cuba?

 
So who did kill the family in Alexandria? Did the KGB whack them since they were compromised? Did the FBI/CIA take them out if they were trailing "Fred"?

(I'm assuming the FBI/CIA knew who the family was since Fred said he didn't recognize them and Phillip said he was there and saw the bodies.)

Were the utility company workers also KGB trying to send the message to Keri Russell?
I think it's the KGB, or at least that's what I feel we're being led to believe.
I agree. It also sets the stage for further doubt as to whether they can continue this life. As try flat out said, until now they never even thought that their children could be at risk. If one thing rises above duty to country it is that to ones children.

 
She definitely said "What do you mean by take care of?" and he gave a look or something to that effect. I think it was definitely more the latter than the former. When he said it to Fred he was just comforting him and implied the former.

 
Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure we’d see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says “Don’t worry, he’ll be taken care of.” So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.
Based on last season, I took that as Mother Russia will make sure the kid will be provided for. But I guess it could be taken the other way as well- Russia will "take care of him"... ie: take him out.

There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
We've seen how Mother Russia "takes care" of its victims. Remember the mother and her kid from Season 1? The one they said was going to Cuba?
damn my memory sucks... the kid did make it, right? mom- not so much.

and Russell's boyfriend was going to be provided for, IIRC- right?

 
Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure we’d see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says “Don’t worry, he’ll be taken care of.” So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.
Based on last season, I took that as Mother Russia will make sure the kid will be provided for. But I guess it could be taken the other way as well- Russia will "take care of him"... ie: take him out.

There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
We've seen how Mother Russia "takes care" of its victims. Remember the mother and her kid from Season 1? The one they said was going to Cuba?
damn my memory sucks... the kid did make it, right? mom- not so much.

and Russell's boyfriend was going to be provided for, IIRC- right?
Kid made it...back to Moscow.

 
The one thing I find fascinating for some reason is the fact that we were at "war" with this country yet let them have an embassy on our soil. Are we forced to let a country have an embassy on our soil? How does that work?

Also, anyone else find it funny that when the Russians speak to each other they continue to refer to each other with first and last name? Is that a cultural thing or something? I just found it strange

 
The one thing I find fascinating for some reason is the fact that we were at "war" with this country yet let them have an embassy on our soil. Are we forced to let a country have an embassy on our soil? How does that work?

Also, anyone else find it funny that when the Russians speak to each other they continue to refer to each other with first and last name? Is that a cultural thing or something? I just found it strange
That's the Russian patronymic. "Oleg Ivanovich" isn't first and last name. It's Oleg, son of Ivan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic

RussianIn East Slavic languages, the ending -ovich, -yevich, -yich is used to form patronymics for men. For example, in Russian, a man named Ivan with a father named Nikolay would be known as Ivan Nikolayevich or 'Ivan, son of Nikolay' (Nikolayevich being a patronymic). For women, the ending is -yevna, -ovna or -ichna. For masculine names ending in a vowel, such as Ilya or Foma, when they are used as a base for patronymic, the corresponding endings are -ich (for men) and -inichna (for women).

In Russia, the patronymic is an official part of the name, used in all official documents, and when addressing somebody both formally and among friends. A Russian will rarely formally address a person named Mikhail simply as 'Mikhail', but rather as 'Mikhail' followed by his patronymic (i.e. 'Mikhail Nikolayevich' or 'Mikhail Sergeyevich' etc.).[citation needed] However, on informal occasions when a person is called by a diminutive (such as Misha for Mikhail resp. Nastya for Anastasia), the patronymic is rarely used. In colloquial, informal speech, it is also possible to contract the ending of a patronymic: thus Nikolayevich becomes Nikolaich, and Stepan Ivanovich becomes Stepan Ivanych or simply Ivanych as the given name may be omitted altogether. In this case the contraction, if possible, is obligatory: Ivan Sergeyevich Sidorov may be called 'Sergeich' or, more rarely, 'Sergeyevich', though such contractions are sometimes avoided as they tend to bring a shade of muzhik-style familiarity. Aleksandr Aleksandrovich (Александр Александрович) may be called San Sanych (Сан Саныч) and Pavel Pavlovich (Павел Павлович) may be called Pal Palych (Пал Палыч). A famous example of a contracted female patronymic is 'Mar' Ivanna' (Марьванна), short for 'Maria Ivanovna' (Мария Ивановна), a young female teacher who is a recurring character in Vovochka jokes. In contrast to male names, if a woman is called by her patronymic name without a given name, the patronymic is never contracted: 'Ivanovna' but 'Mar' Ivanna'. Male and female patronymic names derived from names ending in -slav (Vladislav, Yaroslav) have two possible forms: long, with -vovich/-vovna (Yaroslavovich, Yaroslavovna) and short, with -vich, -vna (Yaroslavich, Yaroslavna).
 
Why do I get the feeling that Phillip is going to end up killing Fred in a later episode despite Fred sparing his life?

And I thought for sure wed see the son that survived the killings but Phillip says Dont worry, hell be taken care of. So now I wonder if he is just written out.

ETA: At least Directv's guide made it a 65 minute time block this week so now I recorded the end of the show.
Based on last season, I took that as Mother Russia will make sure the kid will be provided for. But I guess it could be taken the other way as well- Russia will "take care of him"... ie: take him out.

There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
Not the children. The baby of the agent that died was sent back to Russia to be raised by his grandparents. Not sure how they'd handle a grown boy who grew up in America. Much trickier.

 
The one thing I find fascinating for some reason is the fact that we were at "war" with this country yet let them have an embassy on our soil. Are we forced to let a country have an embassy on our soil? How does that work?

Also, anyone else find it funny that when the Russians speak to each other they continue to refer to each other with first and last name? Is that a cultural thing or something? I just found it strange
Cold War. No official declarations were ever made. Some battlefields chosen (Korea, Vietnam). Some were quieter (Iran, Afghanistan) and some were political battles (Cuba). You placed an embassy in the rivals country because it was a great listening post. You simply understood that meant they would have an embassy in yours. You had to bank on having better counter intelligence than them.

 
So who did kill the family in Alexandria? Did the KGB whack them since they were compromised? Did the FBI/CIA take them out if they were trailing "Fred"?

(I'm assuming the FBI/CIA knew who the family was since Fred said he didn't recognize them and Phillip said he was there and saw the bodies.)

Were the utility company workers also KGB trying to send the message to Keri Russell?
We don't know who killed them. That's what Philip and Elizabeth would like to find out. I'm sure their handler, Claudia, would like to find out as well. It would make no sense for it to have been the KGB. It wasn't the FBI, based on Beeman apparently not knowing anything about it.

Fred didn't recognize them because he'd never seen them without their undercover costumes.

The utility company was trying to repair some pipes or something.

 
There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
I don't think it's likely that the kid will remember anything about the random guy in the hall whom he'd never seen before. People forget the faces of nondescript strangers an instant after seeing them.

 
There is no way the kid doesn't feature again- he'll put together a sketch of Phillip that the FBI guy will see and compare to the other sketches he's been looking at.
I don't think it's likely that the kid will remember anything about the random guy in the hall whom he'd never seen before. People forget the faces of nondescript strangers an instant after seeing them.
The only exception I would put in there is that he saw Phil hurrying away from his hotel room where seconds later he found his family murdered. He might have more recollection then.
 
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