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Kind of weird thing to say really. I formed an independent opinion on the Paige character and the actress playing her based on how horrible they both are.

 
The Z Machine said:
Such a great show. I'm always surprised it gets no love for an Emmy.  The soundtrack is killer too.

I'm also very happy that the Kimmy story line is seemingly done, but I can't recall how it ended.
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I didn't; I heard the creators in an interview for this season say they left it open deliberately so they could go back to it, if they wanted. 

 
I am really kind of hoping that they put Martha out to pasture. She is dangerous at this point. And the fallout with Phil and the Center would be pretty epic.

 
Tiger Fan said:
Great tension filled episode. Great cliff hanger also. 
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i wasn't feeling it last night. one of the weakest episodes in a while, imo. Very slow paced, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it just seemed that every scene lingered too long on pointless or superfluous shots. There was no tightness to the editing/directing/dialogue.

 
oso diablo said:
i wasn't feeling it last night. one of the weakest episodes in a while, imo. Very slow paced, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it just seemed that every scene lingered too long on pointless or superfluous shots. There was no tightness to the editing/directing/dialogue.
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I was on edge the entire time.  Would Phil do anything to Martha?  Would Phil do anything to Gabriel?  Would Kerri Russel to anything to Martha? Would she do anything to Phil when she realized he "showed" his true self to her?  What would Gabriel do?  ETc.

 
Tiger Fan said:
I was on edge the entire time.  Would Phil do anything to Martha?  Would Phil do anything to Gabriel?  Would Kerri Russel to anything to Martha? Would she do anything to Phil when she realized he "showed" his true self to her?  What would Gabriel do?  ETc.
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The only part where I was "on edge" and thought for sure it was the end of Martha was when Phil pushed his Coffee cup over to Gabriel as he left to go get the ☣ 

Thought that might have been Phil's way of saying "Take care of it as I can't" :mellow:

 
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I was half hoping to see Martha and Gabe throw down.  Old KGB fighter who can now barely walk v a woman who probably hasn't had many scraps...excellent matchup

 
snogger said:
The only part where I was "on edge" and thought for sure it was the end of Martha was when Phil pushed his Coffee cup over to Gabriel as he left to go get the ☣ 

Thought that might have been Phil's way of saying "Take care of it as I can't" :mellow:
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That's what I thought.

 
My guess is Phil has to kill her with her own gun and makes it look like suicide. Then pouts and is moody as the family finally gets to go to Epcot.

 
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oso diablo said:
i wasn't feeling it last night. one of the weakest episodes in a while, imo. Very slow paced, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it just seemed that every scene lingered too long on pointless or superfluous shots. There was no tightness to the editing/directing/dialogue.
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I liked the episode, but I also noticed some scenes ran a little long. Example: meeting with Phillip and William over, Phillip drives away, now lets watch Dylan Baker walk away for several seconds for no real reason. Guess they just came up a little short on time and didn't want to add another scene.

Dylan Baker is great in this, btw. Of all the stuff he's done the only other one I've actually seen is Damages and he was great in that as well.

 
I loved how Gabriel's face turned when she said, "KGB".  It was like a mask got pulled back, his eyes got darker and his anger flashed quickly.

Martha is done for regardless of the rest of the plots, and it's really all Philip's fault.  He got too close to her, too involved and couldn't work her the right way.  Elizabeth has never gotten that deep with anyone, but I don't doubt for a minute that she'd choke her agent to death in a heartbeat if she thought it was the right thing.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Dylan Baker is great in this, btw. Of all the stuff he's done the only other one I've actually seen is Damages and he was great in that as well.
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Yeah, he was especially good in Damages. Just looked at his imdb page and that's all I've seen him in too, although he's done a lot of network drama work.

 
the thing about Philip and Martha is that, for Philip, it's probably the most real affection anyone has ever had for him (other than his own kids)

 
oso diablo said:
the thing about Philip and Martha is that, for Philip, it's probably the most real affection anyone has ever had for him (other than his own kids)
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At the beginning of the show, probably.  But his relationship with Elizabeth seems to have gotten much more genuine with each passing season.

 
agreed, but there's still something inorganic about Phil/Elizabeth's relationship. i realize that's a strange word to use when the Martha relationship began as something 100% not real.

 
Yeah, the plan is to send Martha to Russia. There's no reason to doubt that, IMO. The plan may not come to fruition, but the pilot they were looking for was someone to fly a plane to Russia, not someone to fly a bullet into Martha's head.

 
Well, there was that strange scene where the Russian knocks on the door and when he walks in she quickly closes the folder she was reading.. Then when he mentions his pilot fell through she said " no worries, I found one".. and after he leaves she kind of "smirks" as she looks back down at the folder..

Sure left me with a  :oldunsure: feeling about poor Martha.

 
snogger said:
Well, there was that strange scene where the Russian knocks on the door and when he walks in she quickly closes the folder she was reading.. Then when he mentions his pilot fell through she said " no worries, I found one".. and after he leaves she kind of "smirks" as she looks back down at the folder..

Sure left me with a  :oldunsure: feeling about poor Martha.
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They also need to get the infected rat out..could be the same flight

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Yeah, the plan is to send Martha to Russia. There's no reason to doubt that, IMO. The plan may not come to fruition, but the pilot they were looking for was someone to fly a plane to Russia, not someone to fly a bullet into Martha's head.
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I understand that's the plan as far as Oleg and Arkady know it, but Tatiana obviously has clearances that they don't. (Example: when she won't allow Arkady into the communications room while she's sending a transmission). The conversation between her and Oleg where she told him she had a pilot definitely had a feel of her not telling him the truth. 

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I understand that's the plan as far as Oleg and Arkady know it, but Tatiana obviously has clearances that they don't. (Example: when she won't allow Arkady into the communications room while she's sending a transmission). The conversation between her and Oleg where she told him she had a pilot definitely had a feel of her not telling him the truth. 
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So you don't think she found a pilot? How are they going to get the infected rat to Russia?

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I understand that's the plan as far as Oleg and Arkady know it, but Tatiana obviously has clearances that they don't. (Example: when she won't allow Arkady into the communications room while she's sending a transmission). The conversation between her and Oleg where she told him she had a pilot definitely had a feel of her not telling him the truth. 
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So you don't think she found a pilot? How are they going to get the infected rat to Russia?
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I think the phone call kinda made it clear that the rat, not Martha was the priority.  Oleg and Arkady think Martha will be taken with the rat, Tatiana said to the caller something to the effect that nothing else but the rat was required.  At least that's what I understood. 

Gabriel probable gave the center the lowdown, the center felt Martha was no longer valuable, and they will take their chances with Phillip being angry by doing Martha in. 

After already losing a very empathetic character, losing Martha would be difficult.  However the Nina exit opens the door for Oleg to work with Stan, and the Martha exit would open the door for Phillip to do some really bad things to the Soviets.  The show arc in the favor of the U.S. does make sense in the end...

 
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snogger said:
Well, there was that strange scene where the Russian knocks on the door and when he walks in she quickly closes the folder she was reading.. Then when he mentions his pilot fell through she said " no worries, I found one".. and after he leaves she kind of "smirks" as she looks back down at the folder..

Sure left me with a  :oldunsure: feeling about poor Martha.
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Biological weapon development is illegal. So it is a very sensitive mission to steal bio-weapons. The rat is the sample of bioweapons in this case. Her mission is top secret and the rezidentura does not know about the details of her mission. She arranged transport of the rat, so when Oleg needed a pilot she told him she already had one. Not because she cares about getting Martha out, but because she has a thing for Oleg and is willing to jeopardize her main mission (the rat) to help Oleg (her crush).

 
Guess I was wrong about Martha. Sure seemed like that was what they were setting up.

Stan cracks me up. Asks for a beer and then just takes them all. Tells that stamp collector story to Gaad when he knows he's getting fired. Hard to believe his wife left him.

 
Great scene with Elizabeth unloading on the daughter. I thought her eyes were going to blow out of her head.

 
The day we discovered our parents were Russian spies

Not only were their parents indeed Russian spies, they were Russians. The man and woman the boys knew as Mom and Dad really were their parents, but their names were not Donald Heathfield and Tracey Foley. Those were Canadians who had died long ago, as children; their identities had been stolen and adopted by the boys’ parents.

Their real names were Andrei Bezrukov and Elena Vavilova. They were both born in the Soviet Union, had undergone training in the KGB and been dispatched abroad as part of a Soviet programme of deep-cover secret agents, known in Russia as the “illegals”. After a slow-burning career building up an ordinary North American background, the pair were now active agents for the SVR, the foreign spy agency of modern Russia and a successor to the KGB. They, along with eight other agents, had been betrayed by a Russian spy who had defected to the Americans.
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Dating myself here but.... Anyone else have "flashbacks" to seeing "The Day After" back when it was first released??  Sure, in today's movie world it wouldn't have the same impact.. .

I was 15 going on 16 and I still remember the :shock:   and impact it had on me for quite sometime afterwards..

 
snogger said:
Dating myself here but.... Anyone else have "flashbacks" to seeing "The Day After" back when it was first released??  Sure, in today's movie world it wouldn't have the same impact.. .

I was 15 going on 16 and I still remember the :shock:   and impact it had on me for quite sometime afterwards..
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Story in the Washington Post today echoes your thoughts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/05/11/yes-the-day-after-really-was-the-profound-tv-moment-the-americans-makes-it-out-to-be/

 
snogger said:
Dating myself here but.... Anyone else have "flashbacks" to seeing "The Day After" back when it was first released??  Sure, in today's movie world it wouldn't have the same impact.. .

I was 15 going on 16 and I still remember the :shock:   and impact it had on me for quite sometime afterwards..
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I was 21 and it scared the crap out of me (& everyone I knew), too

 
dparker713 said:
boilerdave said:
She said she arranged for a pilot for Martha but I think she arranged to have Martha ended.
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She was also arranging to have the bio weapon transported.  So Russia would actually seem to be the final destination
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PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Guess I was wrong about Martha. Sure seemed like that was what they were setting up.

Stan cracks me up. Asks for a beer and then just takes them all. Tells that stamp collector story to Gaad when he knows he's getting fired. Hard to believe his wife left him.
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sure, but...

 
What's even scarier than that movie is that the story about the Oko system malfunction is true. We came damn close to a nuclear annihilation before I had even gotten laid for the first time.

 
What was the lube (or whatever it was) Liz put on Don's crotch? And why? To make him think it was....."discharge" and so they actually did the deed? I thought she was setting him up for rape blackmail, but is it just adultery?

 
Do we even know what the end game is with Don/Young Hee?  I don't recall anything specific mentioned...just been assuming some tie into N. Korea?

NM, found it in a review:

Young Hee’s husband, Don, can apparently provide the elusive Level 4 access code William needs in order to obtain additional biochemical weapons specimens.

This assignment has now been accelerated because William, in a breach of protocol, signaled Philip and Elizabeth (instead of Gabriel) to inform them that his lab just got in a strain of the lassa virus – something that makes glanders look like the chicken pox: According to William, it liquefies your organs, and succeeds in scaring even the most jaded Directorate S officer on American soil.  “It’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen,” he tells Philip. He’s so weirded out by how lethal this biochemical fight has become that he doesn’t even want the Centre to know about it (which is why he signaled the Jennings). “I don’t trust us with it,” he says.

But better the Soviets than the Americans, so William needs that Level 4 clearance, like, seven months ago.

 
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