Navin Johnson
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Neither did black voters last time yet you are content to depend on them showing up in November.
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The Democrats need to wake up! Update: And near the last second, THEY HAVE (1 Viewer)
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ShamrockPride
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Why are you (and so many boomers) so determined to fight the will of the youth voting block? Bernie's ideas are the future of the country, like it or not. You've said it yourself. Why do you try so hard to fight the inevitable? Let the future generations have the world they see fit. You've lived a good life, now let the youth have one, one they collectively choose.timschochet said:
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BladeRunner
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Bernies ideas are NOT the future of the country. The "youth voting block" are unreliable and never show up when you need them. While they may be vocal, they are not nearly as strong and numerous as the older generations - the one with wisdom, logic and reason on their side.
timschochet
Footballguy
Because in the year 2020 we don’t have the electoral college of the future. We have the electoral college of the past. And that means that crappy old folks like myself are standing in the way of young America. We’re still able to keep them off our lawn.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
There is a reason young people mostly aren't in leadership roles in our government. They haven't the experience or wisdom to make sound decisions quite yet.
The fact that a lot of these young people are aligning with Sanders proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. It also shows a massive ignorance of history. Socialism is NEVER the answer.
You better believe that when a lot of these young people grow up, start a family and start making some real money they aren't going to be Socialists.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
So you're saying you're doing it for nothing more than selfish reasons...at least you're honest.
The Big Donkey
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
He wrote his book about policy before he ran for President. It’s chock full of centrism.Navin Johnson said:
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I agree with you on this part. PA is to Trump what FL is to the Democrats in that if you take it, it's game over. There's no universe that I can see Trump winning PA but losing FL.timschochet said:
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I bet you they will be considering the fact this generation and all others after (assuming we don't make a significant change to how things work in this country) will never build up any semi-significant wealth, since they'll likely be spending probably around 1/4 - 1/3 of their adult lives paying off school debt, and will inevitably be straddling bankruptcy the second someone in their family falls ill. Great society we have here.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'll take you up on that bet. So, should we meet back here in 30 or 40 years to pay up?
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Idk. You still planning on being around in that time?I'll take you up on that bet. So, should we meet back here in 30 or 40 years to pay up?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
BladeRunner
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BladeRunner
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timschochet
Footballguy
More wisdom from Rick Wilson:
When will Democrats learn that Bernie is a party of one, the Bernie Party? The nominee in this cycle, if not Bernie, will need to watch for Angry Old Commie Throws Hissy Fir, 2020 edition.
...He’s a grumpy mean old ******* who stomped off in 2016 after doing the absolute minimum for Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign. ...He’s the Commie Ron Paul.
...on Election Day 2016, between 10-15% of Bernie supporters voted for Donald Trump. These aren’t principled progressives; they’re arsonists. If they can’t have their man, they’re ready to burn the whole ####### thing down.
Also:
Democrats should also keep an eye on Putin shill Tulsi Gabbard, because I’d put money down she be announcing a third party run once she gets trounced in the Democratic Primary. As Jill Stein demonstrated, even a small bleed of voters on the left side of the Democratic equation can be catastrophic in the general.
When will Democrats learn that Bernie is a party of one, the Bernie Party? The nominee in this cycle, if not Bernie, will need to watch for Angry Old Commie Throws Hissy Fir, 2020 edition.
...He’s a grumpy mean old ******* who stomped off in 2016 after doing the absolute minimum for Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign. ...He’s the Commie Ron Paul.
...on Election Day 2016, between 10-15% of Bernie supporters voted for Donald Trump. These aren’t principled progressives; they’re arsonists. If they can’t have their man, they’re ready to burn the whole ####### thing down.
Also:
Democrats should also keep an eye on Putin shill Tulsi Gabbard, because I’d put money down she be announcing a third party run once she gets trounced in the Democratic Primary. As Jill Stein demonstrated, even a small bleed of voters on the left side of the Democratic equation can be catastrophic in the general.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
This book seems to be terrible.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Deal then. I'll be right here on these boards if Joe keeps em going.Gosh I hope so. I want to collect my money.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I'll see you guys then. Just visited my dad today, he's rolling along at almost 98. I'm banking on those genes to pull me through.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
It's Rick Wilson dude. He's any other other pundit on MSM. He swings his party affiliation based on who cuts him the fattest check.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I’m mostly kidding. He seems to be in your wheelhouse supporting your take on things.
timschochet
Footballguy
Reminder that the older generation voted for a guy who is the polar opposite of each of those traits, in part because he spent millions of dollars on Facebook ads designed to scare them about brown people. But please, tell me more about their “logic and reason“.
tommyGunZ
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Here we go with the racism card again. I know you want to believe that's true but it's not, no matter how many times you repeat it.
The people elected the lesser of two evils.
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
If the Dems would adopt the Milton Keynes economic model the election won’t even be close! 
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
The lesser of arguably the two worst major party candidates to face off in the general. Both brought to you by the wisdom and experience of the older generation.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Do you have any self reflection to realize that you may not want to have people who willingly put themselves in that much debt so early in life, long before they knew their earning potential, making political choices for the future of the country? I get that things are aren't as good as we might imagine they coud be and previous generations have and are leaving some messes. But people, really of all ages, need to get some historical perspective on how well we live in this day and age in this country, and there is a bright future out there that isn't dependent on a government that is in control of everything.
The Commish
Footballguy
Young vote isn't something the GOP has ever been interested in. They don't typically vote the way the GOP wants them to. For the GOP that's a feature not a bugBladeRunner said:
BladeRunner
Footballguy
You bet! The younger generation wants a Socialist so, yeah, I'll go with the older generation choices.
Btw, the younger generation is voting for an ancient older generation candidate as well.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I see Tim’s doing his best to help Trump paint the picture that Bernie is a socialist and socialism is bad. Mostly ignoring all the current socialist programs we have and that Bernie’s brand of “socialism” is very popular. People are tired of being screwed over by the 1% Tim.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
If I were you, I’d be careful about criticizing another generation’s experience and wisdom when you don’t even have a solid understanding between socialism and democratic socialism.
First of all, the notion that all Trump supporters viewed him through your prism as the lesser of two evils is as big an oversimplification as saying they were all motivated by racism. Have you seen a #MAGA rally lately? Those people don't seem to think he's the lesser of anything.
But tell you what: Let's leave the racism discussion aside for now. Are you really claiming that Trump, who was heavily supported by voters over the age of 65 -- along with Fox News, whose audience similarly skews older -- base their appeal on "logic and reason"? Seriously? Trump's entire campaign was like a hypodermic needle straight to their collective amygdala.
timschochet
Footballguy
I haven’t made a single argument in this thread that socialism is bad. That’s not the purpose of this thread. I even quoted Wilson to the effect that most Americans like a certain amount of socialism so long as it’s not called that.
This thread is about winning the election in 2020, not about which ideas should or should not be pursued.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Maybe $22/hr min wage?
unckeyherb
Footballguy
This guy is unaware that Bernie stumped in about 50 locations for Hillary, while Hillary did less than ten stops for Obama when she went down to him in 2008, right? What a ####### joke.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I keep hearing this but I’ve yet to see a link for it. I’ve heard at least 2-3 reputable journalists offer the opposite. Do you have a link? Tia
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
There is not much difference between socialism and democratic socialism.
There is a big difference between communism and democratic socialism.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think Biden, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would have the best shot against Trump in a national election. Biden is old, is a gaffe machine and has baggage with Hunter but if he somehow can salvage the nomination he would still have enough support to give Trump a run for his money. Klobuchar is smart, younger, more moderate than other Dems running, does well in debates and obviously would be more appealing to women than Trump. Bloomberg has the money and is moderate enough to be a reasonable choice for independents who are sick of the Trump circus.
Labeling yourself as a socialist democrat is a kiss of death so Sanders is not beating Trump. Warren has the same problem for Medicaire for all.
I think Mayor Pete would destroy Trump in a debate but his perceived lack of experience and lack of support from the black community are big problems but his biggest issue is being gay. There is no way this country is ready to have a married gay man as president. He has my vote but too many people won't.
That's my 2 cents anyway
Labeling yourself as a socialist democrat is a kiss of death so Sanders is not beating Trump. Warren has the same problem for Medicaire for all.
I think Mayor Pete would destroy Trump in a debate but his perceived lack of experience and lack of support from the black community are big problems but his biggest issue is being gay. There is no way this country is ready to have a married gay man as president. He has my vote but too many people won't.
That's my 2 cents anyway
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I said you are helping him do that and you are. I never said YOU are making that argument but that Trump is and you are helping him. If I cared enough I would search and assume I’d find plenty of posts of you labeling him a socialists and you do it on purpose because you know people are scared of the term like it’s the boogeyman.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
"...Sanders did 39 rallies for Clinton in 13 states over the final three months of the 2016 general election."
I've heard estimates as high as 50 events on numerous news sites, with none of her proxies actually debating those numbers when pushed on the narrative that he didn't "do enough" for her. I should add Bernie DID go to those blue-wall states and rallied for her. The same that she decided to ignore.
I'm not able to find a link regarding amount of Hillary-for-Obama stumps in 2008, but she definitely had to go kicking and screaming, waiting until long after Obama was the presumptive favorite. Her infamous Bobby Kennedy reference fell in that timeline. She didn't concede and support Obama until four days after the last primary, by which time it had already been a foregone conclusion that she was out.
It doesn't really matter. When he was out of the running, he campaigned for her. To suggest that he didn't is absurd revisionist history, written by people that can't admit their own failures. Its just untrue.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I understand the picture being painted by republicans wrt the economy but I am skeptical of its reality. They're not hitting the projections that most economists said were unrealistically optimistic. Despite this future forecasts have sustained the unrealistically optimistic numbers anyway - and spending accordingly.shader said:
