The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (3 Viewers)

[krista4]

I'm done with Miniseries.  Lot of good picks.  The Winds of War, Lonesome Dove, and When They See Us would have scored well but weren't picked.  There was one I wasn't familiar with but had seen all the others, so I had to read up on it.  Would definitely want other feedback to make sure I didn't misplace that one.  

Just FYI, for judging I sorted the spreadsheet in alpha order by the name of the pick and deleted the columns that said where it was picked and who picked it.  I then filter by category to only show those picks so I don't get unfairly influenced by where something was picked.

WAIT WTF.  Lonesome Dove was not chosen? 

I haven't even seen it, but WTF?  Generally considered the best of the best, no?

When They See Us was outstanding.

 

[Yo Mama]

WAIT WTF.  Lonesome Dove was not chosen? 

I haven't even seen it, but WTF?  Generally considered the best of the best, no?

When They See Us was outstanding.

Lonesome Dove was taken for Westerns 

 

[Yo Mama]

I'm done with Miniseries.  Lot of good picks.  The Winds of War, Lonesome Dove, and When They See Us would have scored well but weren't picked.  There was one I wasn't familiar with but had seen all the others, so I had to read up on it.  Would definitely want other feedback to make sure I didn't misplace that one.  

Just FYI, for judging I sorted the spreadsheet in alpha order by the name of the pick and deleted the columns that said where it was picked and who picked it.  I then filter by category to only show those picks so I don't get unfairly influenced by where something was picked.

When They See Us was amazing and also very difficult to watch. 
 

I think I misread your other post about these rankings. I say go ahead and post your rankings here. I think we’re running out of steam on this, so it’ll probably be hard to find other judges to get input from. 
 

Oh, and don’t forget to rank mine best. 

 

[wikkidpissah]

WAIT WTF.  Lonesome Dove was not chosen? 

I haven't even seen it, but WTF?  Generally considered the best of the best, no?

When They See Us was outstanding.

my three alltime favorite TV things were miniseries - Lonesome Dove, Jewel in the Crown & Angels in America

ETA: JitC unselected. shame on you young'uns

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Lonesome Dove was taken for Westerns 

And scored very high there.

 

[Corporation]

Lonesome Dove was taken for Westerns 

And scored very high there.

Ah that makes more sense.  Like I said I filter by category so I can't see if something was drafted for a different category.

 

[Corporation]

I'm done with Miniseries.  Lot of good picks.  The Winds of War, Lonesome Dove, and When They See Us would have scored well but weren't picked.  There was one I wasn't familiar with but had seen all the others, so I had to read up on it.  Would definitely want other feedback to make sure I didn't misplace that one.  

Just FYI, for judging I sorted the spreadsheet in alpha order by the name of the pick and deleted the columns that said where it was picked and who picked it.  I then filter by category to only show those picks so I don't get unfairly influenced by where something was picked.

When They See Us was amazing and also very difficult to watch. 
 

I think I misread your other post about these rankings. I say go ahead and post your rankings here. I think we’re running out of steam on this, so it’ll probably be hard to find other judges to get input from. 
 

Oh, and don’t forget to rank mine best. 

OK, I'll do a little write up on each one and post something.  If @krista4 or anyone else wants to send a list I'll be happy to incorporate.  For the record, it was the polish miniseries I didn't see.  The write-up on it sounds good but full disclosure I didn't see it.

 

[Corporation]

Last call for any ranking on miniseries, I've done writeups but can incorporate some of your thoughts as well. @krista4 and @wikkidpissah seem to be pretty knowledgeable on these.  If I don't hear back in the next hour or so, I will post.  They are in order from best to worst, I don't know who picked what so I won't have that information. I can put the point numbers in front if that is helpful.

 

[krista4]

I wouldn’t have time to do rankings but appreciate the shout-out.  I can tell you that Dekalog would get my top spot.

ETA:  I typed that without looking at the list, though.

 

[Yo Mama]

Teen TV Show Rankings

Teamed up with @tuffnutt to judge the teens.  This was a tough category to rank for a couple reasons:

1) there were so many good selections (and plenty more great options undrafted as noted below)

2) I think with this category, personal connection makes a big difference in how each judge ranks the show (as evidenced by some big differences between Tuff and I).  Were you a teen during the show’s run, did the show make you nostalgic for that time in your life if you were older, or even in my case did you have kids around that age when the show aired.  I’m guessing if we had more judges in this everyone’s rankings could be significantly different.

There were some great teen shows undrafted like The O.C., Felicity, Party of Five, Degrassi High (or even TNG), and Euphoria – I’m just not sure how high they could have climbed in the rankings aside from maybe a couple of the bottom few.

On to the rankings, my rankings are listed first, Tuffnutt’s second.  I broke any ties since too bad so sad.

The Bottom Tier

1 pts - Glee (YM 3, TN 1)

This show was actually a guilty pleasure for me in it’s first season (my wife even bought one of the CDs with the show’s music), but it quickly went off the rails and the formula of increasingly bizarre story lines followed by an a cappella mashup of a Journey and a Katy Perry song just couldn’t hold up.  Tuffnutt thumbs his nose at the whole idea.

2 pts - Gossip Girl (YM 1, TN 4)

I just didn’t get this show at all.  Solid cast that ended up doing bigger and better things after this show.  Obviously I couldn’t connect to super rich, barely still teens and all their 1% problems.  Tuffnutt is less old and crusty on this one than I am.

3 pts - 21 Jump Street (YM 4, TN 3)

I really like this show and the timing fit perfectly with my later teen years.  Huge cast and a broad reach in pop culture at the time.  I love the movies too.  I just couldn’t find a way to score it higher than any of the shows above it in my rankings – it’s a deep category.

4 pts - Boy Meets World (YM 2, TN 7)

My kids got into this show a little at the tail end of its run, but it never resonated with me as much as many of the other shows on this list.  I’m guessing Tuffnutt had more of a connection with this show than I did, so hoping I didn’t nuke it too much.  I just didn’t see a way to put it any higher on my list.

5 pts - American Bandstand (YM 6, TN 5)

Great outside of the box pick that I hadn’t thought about when making my list for this category.  The reason it doesn’t go any higher in the list for me is that it was more a show “for” teens than “about” teens.  I know there was no clear designation that this is what the picks needed to be judged by, I just think all the shows above it were able to capture the life and challenges of teens more and deserved higher rankings.

6 pts - Beverly Hills 90210 (YM 10, TN 2)

First major difference in the rankings between the judges.  For me, this was an iconic teen show that had major reach across popular culture – the most famous zip code in the world.  I’d place it in the tier above this. For Tuffnutt, he can’t stand Tim or anything he enjoys or holds dear (editor’s comment: this is not 100% true).

 

[Yo Mama]

Teen TV Show Rankings
 

The Middle Tier

(these are all super close and could easily swap places within the tier depending on the judges’ moods)

7 pts - Veronica Mars (YM 5, TN 11)

Probably the mirror image of 90210, where Tuffnutt had much better feeling about the show than I did.  I appreciate the quality of the show, I just had much more of a connection with the shows I ranked above it. 

8 pts - The White Shadow (YM 9, TN

This is one of my personal all time favorite shows.  This ran in the afternoons every summer when I was in high school and timed perfectly for me to watch every day after my summer league basketball practices.  Way better basketball scenes than either Chachi or Teen Wolf (or even Fresh Prince) would ever hope to make.

9 pts - Malcolm in the Middle (YM 8, TN 10)

Classic show with iconic characters and cast (I even took the dad for that category).

10 pts - Saved By the Bell (YM 12, TN 6)

OK, I have to admit to having an irrational appreciation of this show for some reason.  It was cheesy, campy, the acting was sub-par, the “real-life” issues were always somehow unrealistic, heck I wasn’t even a teen when it aired – but man, I swear I watched every episode and loved the hell out of all its cheesy greatness.  I don’t care what anyone else thinks.

11 pts - My So-Called Life (YM 7, TN 12)

This was a show that burned brightly for a shorter period (more on that to come).  Always rated highly for its ability to reflect the realities of modern teen life.

12 pts - Dawsons Creek (YM 11, TN 9)

Tuffnutt and his wife have matching The Creek t-shirts, she has a Pacey coffee mug, and he has pajamas with Dawson loves Joey on them – and somehow I ranked this higher than he did.  Great cast and show.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Last call for any ranking on miniseries, I've done writeups but can incorporate some of your thoughts as well. @krista4 and @wikkidpissah seem to be pretty knowledgeable on these.  If I don't hear back in the next hour or so, I will post.  They are in order from best to worst, I don't know who picked what so I won't have that information. I can put the point numbers in front if that is helpful.

my rankings would be so unlikable that i would have to defend them and i dont have timespace. i just came on to warn you to knock whatever @krista4's ranking of Dekalog was by at least 4 notches. she once stared at a Belarussian phone book for 7 hours she likes watching Slavic things so much

 

[Yo Mama]

Dramatic teen pause as I go for a walk

 

[krista4]

my three alltime favorite TV things were miniseries - Lonesome Dove, Jewel in the Crown & Angels in America

ETA: JitC unselected. shame on you young'uns

Oh, if Angels in America is on this list, it would be my top choice.  Dekalog can be second.

my rankings would be so unlikable that i would have to defend them and i dont have timespace. i just came on to warn you to knock whatever @krista4's ranking of Dekalog was by at least 4 notches. she once stared at a Belarussian phone book for 7 hours she likes watching Slavic things so much

Or sixth.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Dramatic teen pause as I go for a walk

will you go all the way?

 

[AcerFC]

I would have chose the OC instead of bandstand had I known the show had to be about teens. 

 

[Yo Mama]

will you go all the way?

Soft mood music starts playing

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Soft mood music starts playing

By the dashboard lights.

 

[Yo Mama]

I would have chose the OC instead of bandstand had I known the show had to be about teens. 

I didn’t say it had to be a show about teens. I just felt all the shows above it were better fits. I would have ranked OC about the same (I gave AB a 6 in my rankings). 

 

[Yo Mama]

Ok, walking resumes (paused for maskless  guy who was going same pace as me to get some distance)

 

[Corporation]

Miniseries

Again, my apologies to whoever drafted Dekalog. If it is any consolation, it has inspired me to go seek it out and watch out.  I didn't receive any other lists to balance out my own warped thoughts, and again this is an all star list so someone has to get low scores.  These are ranked from best to worst:

1. Band of Brothers - Simply one of the most powerful viewing experiences I've ever seen. Everything about it was just outstanding, from the writing and acting to the cinematography to the action scenes to the score. The best.
   
2. Roots - This was a cultural event and the most watched miniseries ever at the time. It shone a light on America's saddest chapter, and helped change race relations by humanizing a topic that many people wanted to brush over. 
   
3. Chernobyl - A well crafted miniseries on a story I thought I knew well. Expertly done everywhere, it really felt more about the degradation of a system of controls of a nation more than just a disaster re-telling. Hits home particularly at this difficult time for our own country.
   
4. Jesus of Nazareth - This was a staple in my house around Christmas and Easter. It was largely sourced from the 4 gospels with not a lot of dramatization. The miniseries has been viewed by countless millions over the years and continues to have a large impact due to frequent reshowings.
   
5. Angels in America - HBO rules the miniseries and this is another excellent entry.  Much as Roots highlighted a difficult subject for mainstream America to watch, Angels in America did the same for the AIDS epidemic. All Star cast with Pacino, Streep, Mary-Louise Parker and more, along with great directing from Mike Nichols.
   
6. John Adams - Again very well done, Adams was one of the founding fathers I knew the least about. Great acting from Giamatti and Linney, and the feel of the show seemed very authentic. It really highlighted Abigail's contributions through her interactions and influence on her husband.
   
7. Shogun - Starring the king of the miniseries Richard Chamberlain, this again was a massive cultural event. This was largely before VCRs, so people had to tune in live to watch it, and it fell just short of Roots rating records. The production values were not as strong as Roots, but it featured excellent acting and writing.  As a 7 year old watching the first time, I'll never forget when that guys head was chopped off. Had to beg my parents to keep watching.
   
8. Watchmen - This is the one I've seen most recently and loved it, trying not to let recency bias impact me. I loved the Watchmen comic series and the movie. This miniseries took me in a totally different direction. It highlighted the Tulsa race massacre I was unaware of, and the vigilantism strikes a strong resemblence to events we see today (largely filmed in 2018 before a lot of the civil unrest occuring now). More impactful than Shogun, but this felt like it was going to be an ongoing series that just stopped, as compared to Shogun which is one of the first things I think of when I hear "miniseries".
   
9. The Thorn Birds - Speaking of miniseries, the Thorn Birds also falls in that category and stars the aforementioned King Richard Chamberlain. This is actually the miniseries I enjoyed the least myself, my Mom was big on watching it. It is still beloved by many of a certain age group, and again I think it embodies what many think of when they hear the miniseries category as well.
   
10. Baseball - I love baseball and love Ken Burns style. I know it fits the definition of a miniseries, but I think it may have done better in the documentary category. It was really well done but isn't what I think of as a typical miniseries.
    
11. The People vs OJ Simpson - Another all star cast with some who shine (Cuba, Sarah Paulson, Courtney B. Vance) and some who don't (why is Travolta in anything anymore?). It was certainly interesting but overly dramatized in certain areas. I felt like they forced the Kardashians in there, and Ross would fall in the "didn't shine" category. I watched this roughly at the same time that I saw the OJ Made in America documentary, so the miniseries (while interesting and exciting) pales in comparison.
    
12. From the Earth to the Moon - Another great entry from HBO, excellent production values. I felt it was overly long and could have been condensed in some places.  No real complaints, probably suffers a little bit in comparison to the Right Stuff.  This is a really good miniseries for those interested in the Apollo program and space in general, but it has to land somewhere on a "greatest hits" list.
    
13. V - I LOVED V. As a ten year old, I ate up every minute of it. I watched it again as an adult with my kids, and the production values of course don't hold up very well. The acting was at Beastmaster levels, which can be viewed as a positive or a negative. It also gets a ding for being a 2 parter instead of more episodic like the other entries. But it was fun and it was everywhere.
    
14. Dekalog - So this is the one I didn't see. I read rave reviews about it, but almost everything on this list has rave reviews. Probably should have put it over V, but my nostalgia won out. The Dekalog apparently plays as 10 one hour movies aligned with the Ten Commandments. I would like to watch this, and I apologize to the drafter for not having more awareness of it.
    
15. The Pacific - This is the one I hated rating the most (well besides Dekalog since I didn't see it). On its own it is certainly a fine miniseries. It suffers in my opinion from the inevitable comparison to Band of Brothers. Both miniseries reflect the horrible realities of war. I thought Band of Brothers did a better job of drawing the human bonds together. The Pacific felt like unrelenting anguish, which I'm sure is what was intended. It did it well but left me with a much more down sense than Band of Brothers did. I was looking for that same feeling from Band of Brothers on initial watch (which somehow conveyed a sense of unity and hope) and am probably unfairly rating it.  Again it was very good, sorry for the low score.
    
16. Centennial - I think this featured every TV star from the 60s and 70s. We watched this live again as our family was big into these miniseries events. About halfway through we all got somewhat bored with it and missed several episodes. I have not gone back and watched it since. It was probably deeper than a 6 year olds mind could deal with at the time, but my parents also lost interest in it.  We kept watching just because it was something the family kind of planned around, but nothing from my memory nor what I've read up on has triggered a desire to re-watch.
    

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Baseball - I love baseball and love Ken Burns style. I know it fits the definition of a miniseries, but I think it may have done better in the documentary category. It was really well done but isn't what I think of as a typical miniseries.

That's not a mini series.  And it wouldn't have done well in documentary, as I mentioned in my write-up.  The format that wroked so well for the Civil War just made baseball boooooring.  And I really like old-timey baseball stuff.

 

[Yo Mama]

Teen TV Show Rankings

The Cream of the Crop

13 pts - Buffy The Vampire Slayer (YM 14, TN 13)

Tough ranking for this classic.  Tuffnutt just isn’t as much of a fan of this show as others, and I wonder if this would have done better in the supernatural category (that’s what I think of this show as first).  It wasn’t penalized for any of this, but the reason it couldn’t go higher than the epic shows above it.

14 pts - Friday Night Lights (YM 13, TN 15)

Excellent show, excellent cast, excellent story lines and sports sequences, excellent finale (hint, hint finale judge).

15 pts - The Wonder Years (YM 16, TN 14)

This show did an incredible job of capturing a particular point in time for the country, for the world, and for a young teen’s life.  Great job weaving in music into the show as well.

16 pts - Freaks and Geeks (YM 15, TN 16)

One of Tuffnutt’s favorite shows of all time.  I knew I sniped him on this pick, so I specifically picked him as a co-judge in this category to inflate its ranking.  Incredible cast and creators.  I put it below Wonder Years due to its longevity – it’s unlikely, but possible its shine could have diminished with further seasons.  Rolling Stone ranks it as the #11 all-time tv show (I thought briefly about making it my GOAT pick).

 

[Yo Mama]

Teen TV Show Final Rankings

16 pts - Freaks and Geeks

15 pts - The Wonder Years

14 pts - Friday Night Lights

13 pts - Buffy The Vampire Slayer

12 pts - Dawsons Creek

11 pts - My So-Called Life

10 pts - Saved By the Bell

9 pts - Malcolm in the Middle

8 pts - The White Shadow

7 pts - Veronica Mars

6 pts - Beverly Hills 90210

5 pts - American Bandstand

4 pts - Boy Meets World

3 pts - 21 Jump Street

2 pts - Gossip Girl

1 pts - Glee

 

[KarmaPolice]

I will admit, I was a bit nervous about the Band of Brothers pick as the draft went on.   

Good job on the judging today on a couple tough categories! 

 

[KarmaPolice]

That's not a mini series.  And it wouldn't have done well in documentary, as I mentioned in my write-up.  The format that wroked so well for the Civil War just made baseball boooooring.  And I really like old-timey baseball stuff.

Per wiki:

Baseball is a 1994 American television documentary miniseries created by Ken Burns about the game of baseball

 

[Gally]

That's not a mini series.  And it wouldn't have done well in documentary, as I mentioned in my write-up.  The format that wroked so well for the Civil War just made baseball boooooring.  And I really like old-timey baseball stuff.

I totally disagree with your evaluation.  I loved it and thought each "Inning" was great and provided so many interesting tidbits about the game and people in and around the game.  I learned a ton about the history of the sport and it was anything but boring.  You seem to have a bias against sports.  Hahhahahaha

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I will admit, I was a bit nervous about the Band of Brothers pick as the draft went on.   

Good job on the judging today on a couple tough categories! 

I'm not sure why you were nervous - BOB is an epic achievement and rightfully placed #1 here.

 

[Val Rannous]

I'm not sure why you were nervous - BOB is an epic achievement and rightfully placed #1 here.

Not taking any position against Band of Brothers, but Roots was a cultural phenomenon that not only did virtually everyone at the time watch, but actually led to discussions on race being held.  No matter how good/great BOB might be, I don't think it had that sort of impact.  I remember when I was growing up in the 70s, the week Roots was on TV was like the Super Bowl / last episode of MASH level of importance every night.  But they're #1 and #2, so there's not a room to lodge any complaints here.

 

[EYLive]

Can I sign up for this?

 

[Yo Mama]

Can I sign up for this?

Go for it. I joined late. 

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Per wiki:

Baseball is a 1994 American television documentary miniseries created by Ken Burns about the game of baseball

Not again.  That means it is a documentary with multiple episodes.  Nothing more.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I totally disagree with your evaluation.  I loved it and thought each "Inning" was great and provided so many interesting tidbits about the game and people in and around the game.  I learned a ton about the history of the sport and it was anything but boring.  You seem to have a bias against sports.  Hahhahahaha

That's why I picked a show about hockey as the number one pick.

Also, I have no idea what is funny about your comment.

 

[Gally]

That's why I picked a show about hockey as the number one pick.

Also, I have no idea what is funny about your comment.

Ok.  Maybe it was serious then

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not again.  That means it is a documentary with multiple episodes.  Nothing more.

Why do you hate docs, miniseries, and their definitions?  

 

[wikkidpissah]

Not taking any position against Band of Brothers, but Roots was a cultural phenomenon that not only did virtually everyone at the time watch, but actually led to discussions on race being held.  No matter how good/great BOB might be, I don't think it had that sort of impact.  I remember when I was growing up in the 70s, the week Roots was on TV was like the Super Bowl / last episode of MASH level of importance every night.  But they're #1 and #2, so there's not a room to lodge any complaints here.

Roots was hacky drama, though. This is where i have & get in trouble with y'all on culture - whether it's in knowing that Bewitched & Jeannie & Gilligan were terrible shows and largely thought so at the time or having adult critical views of landmark shows that were not as good as they were timely. Roots wasnt any better a picture of slavery than Rich Man, Poor Man was of income inequality and, frankly, not as good a generational saga as Centennial. It was just that it got on TV - important & perhaps foundational for many but not for those with already evolved outlooks. That's kinda why i declined giving @Corporation my miniseries list and judged no cats at all. A decade of dealing with y'all's cultural groupthink has worn me out on spoiling your parties.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So movies and TV shows...is music next?

 

[wikkidpissah]

So movies and TV shows...is music next?

i was hoping for off-Broadway next so all my one-man shows would qualify...

 

[Corporation]

Roots was hacky drama, though. This is where i have & get in trouble with y'all on culture - whether it's in knowing that Bewitched & Jeannie & Gilligan were terrible shows and largely thought so at the time or having adult critical views of landmark shows that were not as good as they were timely. Roots wasnt any better a picture of slavery than Rich Man, Poor Man was of income inequality and, frankly, not as good a generational saga as Centennial. It was just that it got on TV - important & perhaps foundational for many but not for those with already evolved outlooks. That's kinda why i declined giving @Corporation my miniseries list and judged no cats at all. A decade of dealing with y'all's cultural groupthink has worn me out on spoiling your parties.

I always appreciate different viewpoints, especially nuanced ones like yours.  At the end of the day, tastes and preferences are highly individual so I won't be upset when my beloved Andy Griffith is ranked lower than he should be.  I think most of the inflamed discussion arises from "that doesn't meet the category" type arguments.  I also like it when it is a panel of judges so one person's preferences doesn't entirely wreck a ranking, as if someone ranked Sopranos last and said "I'm not really in to Italian".

Hope you keep contributing, I value your thoughts

 

[wikkidpissah]

I always appreciate different viewpoints, especially nuanced ones like yours.  At the end of the day, tastes and preferences are highly individual so I won't be upset when my beloved Andy Griffith is ranked lower than he should be.  I think most of the inflamed discussion arises from "that doesn't meet the category" type arguments.  I also like it when it is a panel of judges so one person's preferences doesn't entirely wreck a ranking, as if someone ranked Sopranos last and said "I'm not really in to Italian".

Hope you keep contributing, I value your thoughts

i'd just throw out any list which wasnt weighted for value as well as judged for content.

nonetheless, it appears now two generations have been programmed by media saturation to believe in the Value of Big Numbers and it's not only knocking the stuffing out of the critical currency of otherwise perceptive individuals, but is at the heart of how suckerism is taking over this land.

ETA: and anyone will have to get past my bloody knuckles to put Sherriff Taylor & Co. low on any list. that it spawned a TV crackercopia dont detract at all

 

[Yo Mama]

Bump from the second page. 
 

 

[AcerFC]

1 --Yo Mama--483

2 --timschochet--378

3 --tuffnutt--378

4 --mphtrilogy--374

5 --Tolstoy--373

6 --KarmaPolice--372

7 --jwb--366

8 --AcerFC--350

9 --Gally Steiner--348

10 -Zow--347

11 -Doug B--346

12 -Hov34--345

13 -Mrs. Rannous--316

14 -rick6668--315

15 -TripleLayne--315

16 -Pitchfork--304

 

[AcerFC]

Looks like these categories are left

91-20 Leading man Comedy

91-20 Leading Man Drama

TV Dad

Finale 

Commercial

Action

Foreign Show

Villain

GOAT

 

[AcerFC]

Fun Fact, Pitchfork can get 16s in every category left and not catch Yo Mama

 

[Corporation]

Looks like these categories are left

91-20 Leading man Comedy

91-20 Leading Man Drama

TV Dad

Finale 

Commercial

Action

Foreign Show

Villain

GOAT

I can help with all of these except for Foreign Show (where I just don't have much experience).  I think Tim has GOAT ready but is saving it for the final number.  If I can get 2 other lists for each of the others I can compile them.  Not sure how much of a writeup will be involved.  Or I'm happy to send a list to anyone who may already be judging these.

 

[AcerFC]

I can help with all of these except for Foreign Show (where I just don't have much experience).  I think Tim has GOAT ready but is saving it for the final number.  If I can get 2 other lists for each of the others I can compile them.  Not sure how much of a writeup will be involved.  Or I'm happy to send a list to anyone who may already be judging these.

If you wind up doing it, can you please rank the shows with their scores. I am not a numbers guy and it was painful for me to figure out the mini series scores

 

[Yo Mama]

Looks like these categories are left

91-20 Leading man Comedy @Zow

91-20 Leading Man Drama @Zow

TV Dad @Zow

Finale OPEN

Commercial @hagmania ??

Action @AAABatteries

Foreign Show OPEN

Villain  @AAABatteries

GOAT  @timschochet

Hags hasn’t responded for a while, so I forget who said they sent him commercial rankings should just release their own rankings. 
 

@Corporation - I think aaa asked for help ranking his categories. 
 

We just need someone to step up for finale and foreign. 

 

[Yo Mama]

I sent my commercial rankings with comments to Hags a month ago.   Want me to just post mine?

No word from hags so, so go ahead and post your rankings. 

 

[AcerFC]

Hags hasn’t responded for a while, so I forget who said they sent him commercial rankings should just release their own rankings. 
 

@Corporation - I think aaa asked for help ranking his categories. 
 

We just need someone to step up for finale and foreign. 

@Getzlaf15I think

 

[Zegras11]

Ok, here's my ranking on commercials.   

Kinda of the weight I gave them.. I watched each again twice

Impact then - 10
Impact now - 3
longevity - 6
Originality - 10
Did it increase sales?- 8
My personal score - 7
Branding - 10 (i'm a huge believer in how branding works)

1 pt - Terry Tate Office - just plain horrible IMO. Don't even remember this. Very limited market for the schtick in this ad.

2 pts - Budweiser 911 ad.    Ran just once.   Nice idea, but not really effective marketing and Bud has much better branding ads.

3 pts -  Budweiser Xmas.

4 pts - AT&T Reach Out and Touch someone.   Touch this AT&T.   Semi-nice campaign, but very mediocre impact

5 pts - Tootsie Roll Ad - ad is too long.  Could have made the point asking an animal just once and playing that up more for better impact.

6 pts - Mc Donalds You Deserve a Break Today - Theme is a little catchy. Solid branding effort. Just not a lot of impact.

After these six, the level of the rest goes up several notches IMO.  It was hard to place these. I went back and forth on a lot of them.

7 pts - Got Milk?  Aaron Burr.   Welcome to the countdown Creativity and Originality. The rest were better and had more impact.

8 pts - Life Cereal - Mikey Likes it.    Very good ad that had lasting success and a catchy hook.

9 pts - Coke - Mean Joe Greene Catch.    Solid ad that tugged at that heart big time. Not that memorable though.

10 pts -   McDonalds - SHowdown.    Great branding ad using two of the greatest NBA players ever. 

11 pts - Budweiser - Wassup - Another great branding ad with creativity and lasting effect.

12 pts - Miller Lite - I Must be in the Front Row - One of the best in a great campaign that kept us entertained for years. One of the best branding efforts ever.

13 pts - Coke - I want to buy the world a coke - Another one of the best branding ads ever. Powerful theme.

14 pts - Fed Ex guy - The creativity and originality of this ad is just off the charts. Tied in perfectly with the Fed Ex model.

15 pts - Wendy's Where's the Beef?   I remember this having a huge impact when it came out. Still hear the phrase used often.  The ad put Wendy's on the map with the big guys.

16 pts - Apple McIntosh ad - The anticipation for this ad has never been matched IMO. The production of the ad and th story portrayed in the ad is just incredible.