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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (6 Viewers)
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rick6668
Footballguy
No kidding, I kept getting re-buffed on my selections and finally gave up and selected something I watched and loved.
jwb
Footballguy
So for you folks who are perusing the board on New Year's Eve, you get a treat - SCI FI RANKINGS!!!
I asked for lists and @Yo Mama and @Hov34 responded. Really appreciate it guys, and you were very helpful. In posting all three scores I mixed them up for each pick because a few times I tip my hand in the comments saying I was the high/low guy or whatever (so if you surmise that I'm the third number because of my comment, I may be the first on the next selection).
I also did not 100% rank by adding up the scores - in the end, it's my list, and I asked for help not to fully add scores but more or less to keep myself in check. Still, they do generally follow the score totals, and I was pleased to see that our lists were fairly close, especially on the top and bottom.
1 pt - Heroes – (15, 14, 15) – Did not score well in the aggregate. None of us like this all that much. Sorry drafter.
2 pts - The Prisoner (16, 16, 12) – A little too slow, and hard to get into (and this is coming from a guy who loves the original Solaris).
3 pts - Devs (13, 13, 14) – Again, sometimes scifi can be slow, and this was definitely that. I thought maybe I was missing it, but my two helpers confirmed my low score.
4 pts - The Orville (9, 14, 15) – I’ll tip my hand here that I am the higher score. But I’m looking at it through the “nostalgia for STTNG” lens. Taken on it’s own, I suppose it’s good, but not great.
5 pts - Fringe (13, 10, 9) – Starting to get tough, as these are all pretty decent shows, starting with this one. It started slow, but it got pretty good.
6 pts - The Handmaids Tale (8, 11, 12) – It’s definitely good. Maybe it should be higher.
7 pts - MST3K (16, 5, 11) – Again, hand is tipped – I was the high score, and this is my pick. It’s a legit show (200+ episodes, with a half hour of original ongoing story content for each episode). But still, the main draw is riffing movies, so despite my love for it, it scores here.
8 pts - The Expanse (6, 9, 11) – Cool premise, and enjoyable show. Definitely the top of the bottom half.
9 pts - Quantum Leap (8, 6, 12) – For a time, it seemed like this was always on, no matter what channel you turned to. Again, cool premise that endured.
10 pts - Lost (4, 10, 7) – It was VERY good at first, then got silly, then got sillier. But the strength of its first few seasons cannot be denied.
11 pts - Black Mirror (6, 5, 7) – Basically a modern Twilight Zone. Really like this.
12 pts – Westworld (8, 3, 5) – It could have been garbage, but it wasn’t.
13 pts – The X-Files (2, 7, 3) – Was riveting TV for years. Enjoyed this a lot.
14 pts – Battlestar Galactica (3, 1, 4) – Fantastic reboot. Hated the end, and the whole “are cylons machines or not?” got a little odd, but you can’t deny it was a lot of fun. The original (which I loved) would have scored around 9 or 10.
15 pts – Star Trek (2, 1, 4) – Groundbreaking. Viewed now it’s a little cheesy, but it completely paved the way for everyone else.
16 pts - Star Trek TNG (5, 1, 2) Simply the best Sci Fi Series of all time. Yes I’m the 1 here, and the numbers don’t quite add up. But it’s my list, and this wins.
I asked for lists and @Yo Mama and @Hov34 responded. Really appreciate it guys, and you were very helpful. In posting all three scores I mixed them up for each pick because a few times I tip my hand in the comments saying I was the high/low guy or whatever (so if you surmise that I'm the third number because of my comment, I may be the first on the next selection).
I also did not 100% rank by adding up the scores - in the end, it's my list, and I asked for help not to fully add scores but more or less to keep myself in check. Still, they do generally follow the score totals, and I was pleased to see that our lists were fairly close, especially on the top and bottom.
1 pt - Heroes – (15, 14, 15) – Did not score well in the aggregate. None of us like this all that much. Sorry drafter.
2 pts - The Prisoner (16, 16, 12) – A little too slow, and hard to get into (and this is coming from a guy who loves the original Solaris).
3 pts - Devs (13, 13, 14) – Again, sometimes scifi can be slow, and this was definitely that. I thought maybe I was missing it, but my two helpers confirmed my low score.
4 pts - The Orville (9, 14, 15) – I’ll tip my hand here that I am the higher score. But I’m looking at it through the “nostalgia for STTNG” lens. Taken on it’s own, I suppose it’s good, but not great.
5 pts - Fringe (13, 10, 9) – Starting to get tough, as these are all pretty decent shows, starting with this one. It started slow, but it got pretty good.
6 pts - The Handmaids Tale (8, 11, 12) – It’s definitely good. Maybe it should be higher.
7 pts - MST3K (16, 5, 11) – Again, hand is tipped – I was the high score, and this is my pick. It’s a legit show (200+ episodes, with a half hour of original ongoing story content for each episode). But still, the main draw is riffing movies, so despite my love for it, it scores here.
8 pts - The Expanse (6, 9, 11) – Cool premise, and enjoyable show. Definitely the top of the bottom half.
9 pts - Quantum Leap (8, 6, 12) – For a time, it seemed like this was always on, no matter what channel you turned to. Again, cool premise that endured.
10 pts - Lost (4, 10, 7) – It was VERY good at first, then got silly, then got sillier. But the strength of its first few seasons cannot be denied.
11 pts - Black Mirror (6, 5, 7) – Basically a modern Twilight Zone. Really like this.
12 pts – Westworld (8, 3, 5) – It could have been garbage, but it wasn’t.
13 pts – The X-Files (2, 7, 3) – Was riveting TV for years. Enjoyed this a lot.
14 pts – Battlestar Galactica (3, 1, 4) – Fantastic reboot. Hated the end, and the whole “are cylons machines or not?” got a little odd, but you can’t deny it was a lot of fun. The original (which I loved) would have scored around 9 or 10.
15 pts – Star Trek (2, 1, 4) – Groundbreaking. Viewed now it’s a little cheesy, but it completely paved the way for everyone else.
16 pts - Star Trek TNG (5, 1, 2) Simply the best Sci Fi Series of all time. Yes I’m the 1 here, and the numbers don’t quite add up. But it’s my list, and this wins.
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jwb
Footballguy
This was a pretty good list - bottom wasn't great, but from 6-7 on they were all good shows. Some notable omissions, either not drafted or put somewhere else:
Babylon 5 (not drafted) would have probably scored around 8-10. That was a good show. Same for Firefly (drafted for Westerns). I already said the original Battlestar would be around ten (I would have it ahead of both I just mentioned). Twilight Zone would be top 5. I don't want to say what would happen w/ GoT here - glad it was in the horror category - it fit there a little better. Lost in Space would have been upper bottom half. 7-ish.
Babylon 5 (not drafted) would have probably scored around 8-10. That was a good show. Same for Firefly (drafted for Westerns). I already said the original Battlestar would be around ten (I would have it ahead of both I just mentioned). Twilight Zone would be top 5. I don't want to say what would happen w/ GoT here - glad it was in the horror category - it fit there a little better. Lost in Space would have been upper bottom half. 7-ish.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I trust that makes you feel better about it. This was the last pick in the entire draft.
jwb
Footballguy
You know, you are kind of right.
In reading the wiki page, it does seem like the premier "movie" was first released in Canada/etc before US TV (and then US theater afterwards). However, I would have allowed it for two reasons. First, it does seem to always have been meant for TV release. The international theater release may have been to test it. Plus, whatever format the original movie was released in, the "series" that followed is clearly TV - there were 20-something episodes aside from the 2-3 part movie.
I was 12 or 13 when this came out. This show was on a Star Wars level with my peer group.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
On a Sci Fi tangential note, anyone else watching the Twilight Zone marathon on SYFY channel?
Some classic episodes coming up. At 1pm ET, “Two” with Charles Bronson and Elizabeth Montgomery. Episodes airing later today include “It’s a Good Life,” “To Serve Man”, and William Shatner’s “Nightmare at 20,000 Feet” at 10.
Some classic episodes coming up. At 1pm ET, “Two” with Charles Bronson and Elizabeth Montgomery. Episodes airing later today include “It’s a Good Life,” “To Serve Man”, and William Shatner’s “Nightmare at 20,000 Feet” at 10.
jwb
Footballguy
I thought Westworld's first season was very, very good. So I'm kind of going off of that.
I am with you on MST3K - to me, it's the funniest thing ever. But in the end, it's my pick (so I am biased) and I could see people complaining that the big part of its appeal is riffing movies, which makes it borderline unfair. But like I pointed out in my brief writeup, there was about a half hour of original, ongoing, and definitely sci-fi related content in each episode (invention exchanges, songs, skits, etc.), so in some ways, it is a legit "show".
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
It's the Sister Mary Stigmata vibe, isn't it?I know I'm scared and confused when you are judging.
timschochet
Footballguy
Where are we? Anyone got an up to date standings?
Val Rannous
Footballguy
I think everybody vanished for the holidays...
AcerFC
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’ll have animated shows rankings this week. Won’t have as much write-up and my two sitcom categories.
AcerFC
Footballguy
1 --Yo Mama--439
2 --Tolstoy--355
3 --timschochet--348
4 --tuffnutt--347
5 --mphtrilogy--347
6 --KarmaPolice--344
7 --jwb--336
8 --Hov34--328
9 --AcerFC--326
10 -Gally Steiner--317
11 -Zow--316
12 -Doug B--316
13 -rick6668--303
14 -Mrs. Rannous--303
15 -Pitchfork--293
16 -TripleLayne--284
2 --Tolstoy--355
3 --timschochet--348
4 --tuffnutt--347
5 --mphtrilogy--347
6 --KarmaPolice--344
7 --jwb--336
8 --Hov34--328
9 --AcerFC--326
10 -Gally Steiner--317
11 -Zow--316
12 -Doug B--316
13 -rick6668--303
14 -Mrs. Rannous--303
15 -Pitchfork--293
16 -TripleLayne--284
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Mama crush
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Hey now, in the categories I judged (or helped judge) my picks came in right around where I drafted them. I couldn’t even get a 16 out of my first rounder in the Sci Fi category. (Not bitter or anything).
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Animated Shows
1 point - Bob’s Burgers
I actually do like this show more than I thought I would when it was first advertised, but it’s just too lightweight to be placed above anything else drafted.
2 points - The Justice League
It had potential to be much better than its execution which is generally how I feel about most animated Super Hero shows.
3 points - Rick and Morty
Was originally written as a Back to the Future parody but developed into a smart and funny show.
4 points – Archer
I like the comic book style artwork and the writing but I just can’t move it up further.
5 points - Ren and Stimpy
Short lived peak and more gross than funny.
6 points - Beavis and Butthead
Was huge at it’s peak, but did not stand the test of time. The humor is childish, crude and a bit one-dimensional.
7 points - Bojak Horseman
A show that makes you care about a horse is hard to pull off but this show can be as laugh-out-loud funny as any show
8 points - Futurerama
I personally like this better than some that are ranked above it but it just didn’t make the cultural impact or enjoy the longevity of shows like South Park or Family Guy.
9 points - Family Guy
A semi-ripoff of the Simpsons, but laid the basis for many live action shows which rely on “day-dream - sequences” and pop-culture interjections into the script.
10 points - Batman, The Animated Series
Many consider Mark Hammil’s portrayal of the Joker as the quintessential interpretation.
11 points - South Park
Crudely drawn and crude in nature but there’s no denying its longevity and impact.
12 points - The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
The grandfather of meta-humor in animation.
13 points - Avatar, The Last Airbender
A beautifully animated and written show. My step son wrote his college admissions essay based around a quote from the show.
14 points - The Flintstones
The first prime-time animated show which is still engrained in pop-culture today.
15 points - Spongebob Squarepants
Has been on the air for 20 years (13 seasons) and is equally as funny for kids as it is for adults.
16 points - The Simpsons
Probably the biggest no-brainer 16 pointer in the entire draft.
1 point - Bob’s Burgers
I actually do like this show more than I thought I would when it was first advertised, but it’s just too lightweight to be placed above anything else drafted.
2 points - The Justice League
It had potential to be much better than its execution which is generally how I feel about most animated Super Hero shows.
3 points - Rick and Morty
Was originally written as a Back to the Future parody but developed into a smart and funny show.
4 points – Archer
I like the comic book style artwork and the writing but I just can’t move it up further.
5 points - Ren and Stimpy
Short lived peak and more gross than funny.
6 points - Beavis and Butthead
Was huge at it’s peak, but did not stand the test of time. The humor is childish, crude and a bit one-dimensional.
7 points - Bojak Horseman
A show that makes you care about a horse is hard to pull off but this show can be as laugh-out-loud funny as any show
8 points - Futurerama
I personally like this better than some that are ranked above it but it just didn’t make the cultural impact or enjoy the longevity of shows like South Park or Family Guy.
9 points - Family Guy
A semi-ripoff of the Simpsons, but laid the basis for many live action shows which rely on “day-dream - sequences” and pop-culture interjections into the script.
10 points - Batman, The Animated Series
Many consider Mark Hammil’s portrayal of the Joker as the quintessential interpretation.
11 points - South Park
Crudely drawn and crude in nature but there’s no denying its longevity and impact.
12 points - The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
The grandfather of meta-humor in animation.
13 points - Avatar, The Last Airbender
A beautifully animated and written show. My step son wrote his college admissions essay based around a quote from the show.
14 points - The Flintstones
The first prime-time animated show which is still engrained in pop-culture today.
15 points - Spongebob Squarepants
Has been on the air for 20 years (13 seasons) and is equally as funny for kids as it is for adults.
16 points - The Simpsons
Probably the biggest no-brainer 16 pointer in the entire draft.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
yeesh. the one i never heard of - i remember thinking "there's Yo Mamas's kryptonite" when i saw Airbender on his list - gets a frikkin 13.............
beautifully judged. thank you for low-weighting all the underwritten, underdrawn metadreck of the last decade's animcoms and giving Spongebob and Moose&Squirrel the love they deserve, DocOc
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Doug B
Footballguy
Sorry, Pitchfork :(
But yeah ... Bob's Burgers is a regular in our living room. Thought I'd give the show a little love in this thing. It has actually carved out a nice little pop culture niche -- it's lasted a decade now, and while it's not The Simpsons, it's at least in that Futurama and Family Guy tier in meatspace.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Agreed. Bob's Burgers is so freakin' good, but most people won't give it the time of day for some reason.
And as for Rick and Morty being so low...
I'll be back.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I like BB, in fact I’m watching a it now. It was just hard to rank it higher based on the level of the field.Agreed. Bob's Burgers is so freakin' good, but most people won't give it the time of day for some reason.
And as for Rick and Morty being so low...
Sorry about R&M as well - another good show. It’s just that the shows above it are either better, more iconic or more groundbreaking.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
It's all good. To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterization- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
not hardly - you'd have to disprove Dirichlet just to qualify for taking any kind of offenseI think I’ve been insulted.
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Val Rannous
Footballguy
Hey Doc Ock, quick question - how would Star Blazers have done for animation? I was addicted to that show back in the late 70s. Robotech was good too, but not as cool as a WWII battleship mounting a Wave Motion Gun!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
From a nostalgia perspective I want to say at least mid-pack - but haven’t seen in it in a long time so not sure how it would hold up. It would be unique compared to the rest of the list for sure which would be in its favor.
Doug B
Footballguy
The battleship Yamato is reborn -- 364 days to save the Earth.
The Wave Motion Gun debuts by torching
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m going to try and get to Villain and Action this week - I’m taking lists (and need the help), so please submit any you have.
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m ready to do greatest show of all time- but I thought I would wait until the rest of the rankings were completed. How’s that looking?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
We’ve got 10 more categories to judge. I’m hoping to have Teen out tomorrow ( @tuffnutt are you still going to send me rankings?).
We still need judges for the following:
Miniseries
Finale
Foreign
Ive already volunteered for more than my share of categories, so it would be nice for someone else to step up.
tuffnutt
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I'll help with miniseries and finale. When I first signed up to judge Yo Mama said I had to put his pick at the top of the list. Is that still a rule?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Where do I send the lists?Yo Mama said:
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Yo Mama
Footballguy
I wasn’t planning on working on those categories. Anyone else interested in teaming up to do miniseries or finale with corporation?
If no one else steps up I can see if I can help out after I’m done with teen.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I'm done with Miniseries. Lot of good picks. The Winds of War, Lonesome Dove, and When They See Us would have scored well but weren't picked. There was one I wasn't familiar with but had seen all the others, so I had to read up on it. Would definitely want other feedback to make sure I didn't misplace that one.
Just FYI, for judging I sorted the spreadsheet in alpha order by the name of the pick and deleted the columns that said where it was picked and who picked it. I then filter by category to only show those picks so I don't get unfairly influenced by where something was picked.
Just FYI, for judging I sorted the spreadsheet in alpha order by the name of the pick and deleted the columns that said where it was picked and who picked it. I then filter by category to only show those picks so I don't get unfairly influenced by where something was picked.
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