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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (2 Viewers)

Doug B said:
Considered him a ton at the last turn. Was a little concerned that we'd get an under-40 person judging that category, and Cosell's status wouldn't register the same way to them.

I know, I know ... "don't consider the judging"  :D  
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My Bday was last Tuesday.  Well over 40

ETA:  Wouldn't that apply to any category that has the '50's in it also?

 
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Doug B said:
Not really.

To my mind, its definitely NOT an athlete unless that athlete has made a major name for themselves as a television figure. In other words, not merely a famous athlete who was on TV all time because they were a huge name in their sport. No Michael Jordans, or Tiger Woods, etc.
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Common sense tells me that this is how I will be judging this.     



Doesn't Jordan have a personality now after Last Dance?   LOL.      1pt if you list him LOL

 
I know Rudolph was taken first, but to me this is the greatest Holiday TV show of all time.  An annual tradition regardless of age and the Soundtrack by Vince Guaraldi is one of the greatest Christmas records of all time.  Released in the great year of 1965! A timeless Classic!

4.10 - A Charlie Brown Christmas - Holiday

The sad little Christmas tree! The Vince Guaraldi jazz score! Linus' impromptu recitation of a long section of scripture! This special has everything—most of all, a huge heart. Lovable sad sack Charlie Brown is depressed about the commercialization of Christmas and spends the entire special trying to connect with anyone who shares his understanding of the reason for the season. Charlie Brown is the perfect vehicle for this rather boldly traditional network special—he crabbily castigates his friends for laughing at his tree or prizing possessions over people. He's like a reverse Scrooge. It really shouldn't work, but it does every time.
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Getzlaf15 said:
Doug B said:
Not really.

To my mind, its definitely NOT an athlete unless that athlete has made a major name for themselves as a television figure. In other words, not merely a famous athlete who was on TV all time because they were a huge name in their sport. No Michael Jordans, or Tiger Woods, etc.
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Common sense tells me that this is how I will be judging this.     

Doesn't Jordan have a personality now after Last Dance?   LOL.      1pt if you list him LOL
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Yea, to me, it's the color guys, hosts, the "anchor" of the sports shows, etc. 

There are a few former athletes who I think will get picked towards the back half of the category. 

 
mphtrilogy said:
I know Rudolph was taken first, but to me this is the greatest Holiday TV show of all time.  An annual tradition regardless of age and the Soundtrack by Vince Guaraldi is one of the greatest Christmas records of all time.  Released in the great year of 1965! A timeless Classic!

4.10 - A Charlie Brown Christmas - Holiday
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Subjectively I may put something else No. 1, but objectively this is No. 1.

 
4.11 - Series Finale - M*A*S*H Finale

"Goodbye, Farewell and Amen"

In the United States, the episode drew 105.97 million total viewers and a total audience of 121.6 million.  The episode surpassed the single-episode ratings record that had been set by the Dallas episode that resolved the "Who Shot J.R.?" cliffhanger. From 1983 until 2010, "Goodbye, Farewell and Amen" remained the most watched television broadcast in American history, passed only in total viewership (but not in ratings or share) in February 2010 by Super Bowl XLIV.  It still stands as the most-watched finale of any television series, as well as the most-watched episode.

@higgins

 
This is about the time I really stop caring about being judged and just pick things I like. I was in 9th grade when this show came out. It was awesome coming home from school and watching this (along with another cartoon which I wont spotlight) from 4-5 on Fox. If you are a little older and didnt get to watch it, oh well, you missed out on a classic show. 

4.13 Batman, The Animated Series, Animated Show

@timschochet

 
AAABatteries said:
4.11 - Series Finale - M*A*S*H Finale

"Goodbye, Farewell and Amen"

In the United States, the episode drew 105.97 million total viewers and a total audience of 121.6 million.  The episode surpassed the single-episode ratings record that had been set by the Dallas episode that resolved the "Who Shot J.R.?" cliffhanger. From 1983 until 2010, "Goodbye, Farewell and Amen" remained the most watched television broadcast in American history, passed only in total viewership (but not in ratings or share) in February 2010 by Super Bowl XLIV.  It still stands as the most-watched finale of any television series, as well as the most-watched episode.

@higgins
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This one is interesting to me. 

Yes, the viewership is off the charts. But that's also because of the popularity of the series. As far as taken by itself as a finale, I remember not being enamored with it, despite being a big fan of the show. I felt it was a bit of a letdown, with that weird "Hawkeye goes crazy" storyline.   

 
jwb said:
This one is interesting to me. 

Yes, the viewership is off the charts. But that's also because of the popularity of the series. As far as taken by itself as a finale, I remember not being enamored with it, despite being a big fan of the show. I felt it was a bit of a letdown, with that weird "Hawkeye goes crazy" storyline.   
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Counterpoint: everyone in America flushed their toilets at the same time during a commercial break and plumbing systems throughout the country were overwhelmed. 

 
Im about to head out to practice. Wont be able to check in until 6 or so. Can anyone take a pick for me

 
Yo Mama said:
Counterpoint: everyone in America flushed their toilets at the same time during a commercial break and plumbing systems throughout the country were overwhelmed. 
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oh yes, this part I totally get. But that would have been true regardless of episode quality. MASH was a hugely popular show, and you could argue that this was the pinnacle of network TV's dominance. I remember them talking beforehand how this one would set viewership records.

The reason I say this one is interesting is I'm talking about the quality of the series finale, taken by itself. Was this one really that good? 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Is he a supporting character? I'd say Walter and Jesse were co-leads. He had his own storylines throughout the series.
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We can cross this bridge when we get to it ... but there are characters in television history that were never the narrative leads, yet were far and away the most compelling characters on their shows (for good or ill).

 
Pick 4.15 Team GallStein selects Lost (Category - Supernatural/Horror Category)

It was a great event show that most everyone was hooked on.  It led to many water cooler conversations and was incredible as it was happening.  Some didn't like the ending as it seemed rushed but it was effective in my eyes. 

@Hov34  I believe you are up for two picks

 
There are probably a lot of categories I could take that still have top 3 potential, but I don't really care about that and am taking thing I like that I still think are "respectable" in the category.

Two categories that I don't see a lot I like or think will be toward the top:  Westerns and Horror

4.16  Firefly - Western

Yes it was a western, just happen to be in space.  Love everything about this "1 year" series.  Have watched it several times and love the dialogue and themes throughout.  My 2nd Whedon pick. 

5.01  The Walking Dead - Horror

While it fell off in the last few seasons and has been picked apart ad nauseam it still is one of the most popular series ever.  And the first few seasons were top notch for the genre.

 
Hov34 said:
4.16  Firefly - Western

Yes it was a western, just happen to be in space.  Love everything about this "1 year" series.  Have watched it several times and love the dialogue and themes throughout.  My 2nd Whedon pick. 
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Okay, I was waiting to see if this would go as a "Western." Love Firefly, but I don't think this should qualify as a Western. 

Per the dictionary: "a film, television drama, or novel about cowboys in western North America, set especially in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."

 
Hov34 said:
There are probably a lot of categories I could take that still have top 3 potential, but I don't really care about that and am taking thing I like that I still think are "respectable" in the category.

Two categories that I don't see a lot I like or think will be toward the top:  Westerns and Horror

4.16  Firefly - Western

Yes it was a western, just happen to be in space.  Love everything about this "1 year" series.  Have watched it several times and love the dialogue and themes throughout.  My 2nd Whedon pick. 

5.01  The Walking Dead - Horror

While it fell off in the last few seasons and has been picked apart ad nauseam it still is one of the most popular series ever.  And the first few seasons were top notch for the genre.
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Two on my short list... mark em off

 
Zow said:
Okay, I was waiting to see if this would go as a "Western." Love Firefly, but I don't think this should qualify as a Western. 

Per the dictionary: "a film, television drama, or novel about cowboys in western North America, set especially in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."
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First line of Wikipedia:

Firefly is an American space Western drama television series, created by writer and director Joss Whedon
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Note: I chose Gunsmoke assuming shows like Firefly and other shows sometimes characterized as westerns even though they take place in different time periods in other geographical areas did not count as actual Westerns. 

 
Sorry, generally not trying to be difficult here, but I foresaw this as a possible issue and I do think it needs to be clarified. I didn't know how to raise it when I picked Gunsmoke as I thought doing so would be spotlighting Firefly. 

 
Zow said:
Hov34 said:
Ok, read this instead:

https://www.whedonist.com/single-post/2018/03/19/Western-or-Wuxia-Genre-in-Firefly
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The first sentence of the full first paragraph is "it's Sci-Fi, obviously, as it's set in space..."
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Why not include the entire paragraph?

It's Sci-fi, obviously, as it's set in Space.  It's kind of dystopian, with its evil government attempting to micromanage the 'Verse.  Occasionally, it's a crime caper (the epic hospital heist in Ariel springs to mind).  Most notably, it is absolutely a western, with its frequently barren wild west planets,  an honest-to-God train job, bordellos, horses, shotguns and hardy outdoor clothing (brown and leather, like cowboys, is a strong theme). 
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If that's not a western, I don't know what is.

 
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Hov34 said:
Why not include the entire paragraph?

If that's not a western, I don't know what is.
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Because doing so undermines my argument. :lmao:  

ETA: Still don't think it should count as a Western...

 
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UP 2. Gally/Charlie Steiner 

NEXT 3. timschochet 

AFTER 4. AcerFC 

I'll be back on line before 6 if Acer is not back I have his pick....

 
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