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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (2 Viewers)

Crap I just did a huge write up for my American idol pick and it didn’t post (and isn’t in my editor). Paging Tucker Carlson. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Might be pushing the definition here, but the category is just "documentary".  I figured I would ask, but would get the stock "it's up to the judges" answer.   Looks like there will be movies, mini-series, and long running series.  Since zow just took my other one I was eyeing, I will through out:

10.02:  30 for 30 (Documentary) 
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I think you should pick the individual documentary.  I don't think 30 for 30 is a choice.  I think that is like picking NBC Variety show.   

 
Gally said:
I think you should pick the individual documentary.  I don't think 30 for 30 is a choice.  I think that is like picking NBC Variety show.   
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If this is the consensus thinking, I will just repick.    It is packaged and advertised as though they are seasons of 30 for 30s.  

 
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Let’s try this again.
 

10.01 - American Idol - Reality

Not going to do my full write up again, but here are some highlights for this ratings behemoth and cultural phenomenon:

- For 8 consecutive years, it had the highest rated show in US tv ratings

- Despite airing 3 times a week, it’s 5th season averaged over 30 million viewers

- Rival networks were forced to rearrange their lineups to avoid Idol

- There were more votes for some Idol contests that in most presidential elections

- Nominated for 9 outstanding reality program emmys and won 6 people’s choice awards for favorite reality show

- Gave us 345 Billboard chart toppers

- Gave almost as much game/infamy to the worst performers as to the contenders

- Brought us Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jennifer Hudson, Fantasia, Daughtry, Congressman Clay Aiken, Ruben Studdar, Adam Lambert, Jordin Sparks, Ryan Seacrest, Simon Cowell, the guy with crazy hair powered by an army of voter-bots, and the Little Sweet guy from the Diet Dr Pepper commercials. 
 

Legendary

 
KarmaPolice said:
If this is the consensus thinking, I will just repick.    It it packed and advertised as though they are seasons of 30 for 30s.  
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Typically a documentary is about one subject.  This is why I think many of the 30 for 30's would be good choices for the category as their own entity but I don't think the entire package should be able to be chosen.  Just my 2 cents. 

 
Zow said:
10.5 TV Documentary* - Planet Earth**

* With possibility of moving it into best foreign show. 

** I interpret my selection as being an encompassment of both seasons (Planet Earth and Planet Earth II). I'd like a consensus ruling on this and if I must select a particular one then I will. 
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KarmaPolice said:
I will go out on a limb and say that you will not like my pivot pick either.  
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I think it was a great pick.  I just don't think you should get every documentary in that catalogue.  I have a few of the catalogue on my lists as they are great.  It would be like getting every PBS documentary or every Ken Burns documentary.  I just don't think that is in the spirit of the draft.  

 
10.07 - **** Cavett  - Talk Show Host

I always thought he was the best interviewer, and his show was the quintessential "talk show". 10 Emmy nominations, 3 wins.

Intermittently since 1968, Cavett has been host of his own talk show, in various formats and on various television and radio networks:

ABC (1968–1974)

CBS (1975)

PBS (1977–1982)

USA Network (1985–1986)

Olympia Broadcasting (syndicated radio show, 1985–1989)

ABC (1986–1987)

CNBC (1989–1996)

Turner Classic Movies (2006–2007)

@Pitchfork

 
Gally said:
I think it was a great pick.  I just don't think you should get every documentary in that catalogue.  I have a few of the catalogue on my lists as they are great.  It would be like getting every PBS documentary or every Ken Burns documentary.  I just don't think that is in the spirit of the draft.  
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I agree with this. 

 
No idea if this is on anyone else's radar but it's my favourite "old" show ever and is indelibly etched into my soul. I used to stay up at nights with my dad and watch Nick at Nite. I would be laying on the couch falling in and out of sleep and he would be sitting in his favourite chair with a whiskey or two. We'd watch a lot of the 8-10 PM comedy block and then he'd try to go bed and I'd convince him to stay down for one show. I'm actually tearing up a bit here typing this all out, such great memories. 

Anyway, from that whole block, this was the one that I truly loved, and indeed, that may be because some of the comedy is well suited towards an eight year old.

I could go a lot of directions category wise and I recognize I may get killed in the judging here..

Would you believe...

10.08 - Agent 86 Maxwell Smart - 1950-70 Leading Man (comedy)

 
timschochet said:
I dunno. I agreed with Gally’s argument. As to what’s OK and what isn’t, I haven’t really thought about it. 
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I get it, I just want clarification.   I just saw documentary on the list and for whatever reason my mind went to TV shows that were documentary in nature (30 for 30/NOVA, and a couple others) or mini-series like Civil War or Planet Earth.   

 
KarmaPolice said:
Whatevs.  So made for TV documentary movie is OK,  Documentary mini-series is OK, but not a documentary tv show?  
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No dog in this fight but 30 for 30 is quite clearly a documentary series. If that is the category it should count. If it’s stand alone documentary single subject special we are looking for, then no. (And strike Planet Earth and Cosmos). 

 
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Pitchfork said:
No idea if this is on anyone else's radar but it's my favourite "old" show ever and is indelibly etched into my soul. I used to stay up at nights with my dad and watch Nick at Nite. I would be laying on the couch falling in and out of sleep and he would be sitting in his favourite chair with a whiskey or two. We'd watch a lot of the 8-10 PM comedy block and then he'd try to go bed and I'd convince him to stay down for one show. I'm actually tearing up a bit here typing this all out, such great memories. 

Anyway, from that whole block, this was the one that I truly loved, and indeed, that may be because some of the comedy is well suited towards an eight year old.

I could go a lot of directions category wise and I recognize I may get killed in the judging here..

Would you believe...

10.08 - Agent 86 Maxwell Smart - 1950-70 Leading Man (comedy)
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All I ever wanted was a sneaker that was a phone

 
KarmaPolice said:
If this is the consensus thinking, I will just repick.    It is packaged and advertised as though they are seasons of 30 for 30s.  
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To me, this is actually an issue disqualifying a pick from this category. While Tim didn’t say so out loud, I don’t believe he intended documentary collections and/or multi-year series to compete against short-form documentaries.

 
Nick Vermeil said:
No dog in this fight but 30 for 30 is quite clearly a documentary series. If that is the category it should count. If it’s stand alone documentary single subject special we are looking for, then no. (And strike Planet Earth and Cosmos). 
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I don’t think Planet Earth is a documentary either.  Cosmos is close, but I would’ve put in miniseries.

 
ok I think its my pick...

10.09 - South Park- Animated 

Outside The Simpsons, no animated series has had more of a social impacted than South Park. Never afraid to push the envelop, nothing is off limits. The satirical comedy is second to none and its ability to make an episode in a week lets its stay up to date on all current events. South Park started in 1997 and is every bit as relevant today.  

 
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Thinking about Planet Earth some more ... doesn’t it run multiple series itself?

And I believe 30 for 30 itself had had multi-part documentary mini-series under its umbrella. To me, any of those individual multi-parters would be fine.

Might need a Tim-call made here.

 
AcerFC said:
Stupid category if we cant figure out what it is
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Yea. Some categories just end up being stupid.

Kind of like teen/high school movies that had to be FOR teens (and not about them). Or rock and roll movies where the best concert films of all time finished bottom 5.

edit: we should try and figure this out.

 
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Doug B said:
Thought of this one early on, but didn’t think this was what the category was intended to cover.
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I wasn't sure, but IMO the line started blurring with Planet Earth, etc..  A mini-series or what is basically a season of a show is good, but not a show that is similar but had multiple seasons?  Like I said, I tried 30 for 30 because it was packaged in a similar way - ie Vol 1 being the first 30 they did, then other seasons/vols came out.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
I don't 100% see it that way, but get the point.  
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How about something narrower than “The News” but still getting to the point? For example, would the following feel like legit picks?

CBS’s coverage of the Apollo 11 mission and moon landing

CBS’ coverage of John F Kennedy’s assassination (up to Lee Harvey Oswald ‘s murder by Jack Ruby)

 
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Doug B said:
How about something narrower that “The News” but still getting to the point? For example, would the following feel like legit picks?

CBS’s coverage of the Apollo 11 mission and moon landing

CBS’ coverage if John F Kennedy’s assassination (up to Lee Harvey Oswald ‘s murder by Jack Ruby)
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Live news shouldn’t be eligible. 
Sorry to be vague here. When I made the category I honestly was thinking about shows like The Civil War. I wasn’t thinking about anthology series like 30 for 30. But I’m willing to do what everybody wants. 

 
:lol:   I had one more lined up that I watched a ton as a kid that I thought about too that is in a similar vein.  

Again, I just went into it with the impression that this draft was mostly character and show driven with a few odd categories.  I guess my mind put documentary more in the "shows" line of thinking vs. a one off like a holiday special or commercial.  

 
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