The growing need for adoption (1 Viewer)

[Captain Cranks]

Since we will have more children born into homes that can't afford them or they'll be unwanted, does today's ruling change your desire to adopt?

 

[quick-hands]

We got 1 adoption per 35 waiting for adoption.     I think we can handle it.

 

[BladeRunner]

What did we do for the first 4950 years of recorded history or the 135K to 1.9 million years man has been on the planet?

I say we go with that.

 

[Ilov80s]

We got 1 adoption per 35 waiting for adoption.     I think we can handle it.

Is that 35 couples waiting for 35 kids? I don't know the stats but I've work with many kinds in the foster system or under the care of the State and it's grim. 

 

[Ilov80s]

What did we do for the first 4950 years of recorded history?

Many things.

Give the unwanted baby to the Church and they became basically an indentured servant to the Church. 

Sell the kid to slavery.

Kill the kid. 

Sell the kid to the military. 

Kids raised by the much larger extended family units of the time.

Throw the kid out on the streets and let the kid figure it out. 

Sell the kid into marriage. 

Force the kid to start working as early as possible.

Have a real screwed up version of abortion of the time.  

 

[The General]

Many things.

Give the unwanted baby to the Church and they became basically an indentured servant to the Church. 

Sell the kid to slavery.

Kill the kid. 

Sell the kid to the military. 

Kids raised by the much larger extended family units of the time.

Throw the kid out on the streets and let the kid figure it out. 

Sell the kid into marriage. 

Force the kid to start working as early as possible.

Have a real screwed up version of abortion of the time.  

Well those sound bad.

 

[quick-hands]

Is that 35 couples waiting for 35 kids? I don't know the stats but I've work with many kinds in the foster system or under the care of the State and it's grim. 

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families

That's what it says.

 

[quick-hands]

Many things.

Give the unwanted baby to the Church and they became basically an indentured servant to the Church. 

Sell the kid to slavery.

Kill the kid. 

Sell the kid to the military. 

Kids raised by the much larger extended family units of the time.

Throw the kid out on the streets and let the kid figure it out. 

Sell the kid into marriage. 

Force the kid to start working as early as possible.

Have a real screwed up version of abortion of the time.  

Are they better off dead?

 

[BladeRunner]

Many things.

Give the unwanted baby to the Church and they became basically an indentured servant to the Church. 

Sell the kid to slavery.

Kill the kid. 

Sell the kid to the military. 

Kids raised by the much larger extended family units of the time.

Throw the kid out on the streets and let the kid figure it out. 

Sell the kid into marriage. 

Force the kid to start working as early as possible.

Have a real screwed up version of abortion of the time.  

So, just to be clear, you think we should kill babies because of the above?

Were there ever any positive outcomes?  Or is your list of negativity the only thing that ever happened?

 

[BladeRunner]

Well those sound bad.

Had I known my parents could make a little money off me I never would have volunteered to join the Marines. 

 

[Ilov80s]

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families

That's what it says.

Thanks, it does say newborns which makes sense with what I see. I work with teens and I am sure they aren't what most adopting young families are looking for. They want a baby. 

Are they better off dead?

I couldn't say. I neither know what exists after this life nor do I know of what suffering they faced during their lives. I am sure the answers may very depending on the person. 

 

[Ilov80s]

So, just to be clear, you think we should kill babies because of the above?

Were there ever any positive outcomes?  Or is your list of negativity the only thing that ever happened?

No, you just asked what people did before. Of course there were positive outcomes. 

 

[Nugget]

There will be a small bump in birthrate and then it will level out. Women who have a kid at 16 won’t have one at 25.  

 

[Ilov80s]

Abortion has existed as long as people have.  You can just look it up on Wikipedia. This is an issue as old as man itself. 

 

[Ilov80s]

There will be a small bump in birthrate and then it will level out. Women who have a kid at 16 won’t have one at 25.  

Whatever we have done the last 20 years, we've made amazing strides on reducing teen pregnancy. Since the 90s, we have reduced it by nearly 200%.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So, just to be clear, you think we should kill babies because of the above?

Were there ever any positive outcomes?  Or is your list of negativity the only thing that ever happened?

Yeah it went from worrying about the mother's help to a bunch of just unwanted babies quickly

 

[Nugget]

Whatever we have done the last 20 years, we've made amazing strides on reducing teen pregnancy. Since the 90s, we have reduced it by nearly 200%.

Abortion became legal in the 70’s. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Abortion became legal in the 70’s. 

Yes, I don't think abortion is the reason teen births have fallen. It has played a role for sure but it peaked in the 90s (not counting the mid century where it was normal for a 17-19 year old to marry and start a family, that's not what we are talking about). I don't think more States banning abortions will lead to a big uptick in teen pregnancy. For starters, teens are lest sexually active now than we have seen in a long time. 

 

[AAABatteries]

The only scenario where I adopt is if something happens to one of my kids and I need to “adopt” my grandchildren.  No change.

 

[dickey moe]

Are they better off dead?

As usual, crickets. 

 

[-OZ-]

have adopted. Just spent the last week assisting construction at an orphanage. The kids are already in need, if people aren’t responding already they most likely aren’t changing their minds now. Some may donate and give lip service to the need, few will actually do anything. Basically the same as any social problem. 

 

[quick-hands]

The only scenario where I adopt is if something happens to one of my kids and I need to “adopt” my grandchildren.  No change.

That's what I told my daughter.   Clan doesn't kill clan.   Give it to me.

 

[Captain Cranks]

have adopted. Just spent the last week assisting construction at an orphanage. The kids are already in need, if people aren’t responding already they most likely aren’t changing their minds now. Some may donate and give lip service to the need, few will actually do anything. Basically the same as any social problem. 

Thank you. The world needs more people like you. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

As usual, crickets. 

It was answered - nobody on either side of the equation knows that for sure.      Also a big difference in expected outcome and quality of life if the choice is sold into slavery or raised by extended family.    I'd probably rather be dead than option #1.      Yes, I realize that is not the reality in the US in 2020.  

The answer is none of us know.    

 

[quick-hands]

It was answered - nobody on either side of the equation knows that for sure.      Also a big difference in expected outcome and quality of life if the choice is sold into slavery or raised by extended family.    I'd probably rather be dead than option #1.      Yes, I realize that is not the reality in the US in 2020.  

The answer is none of us know.    

Where there is life there is possibility.   Dead is final.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Where there is life there is possibility.   Dead is final.

Of course, there is also the possibility of extreme pain and death.   Like I said, we don't know, but each side of the debate would show different stats and would maybe have different tolerance levels of those wide range of possibilities.   

Just saying, I can imagine scenarios where I would rather be dead than endure it, and same goes for my kids - so I would say "yes, in some of those situations they might be better off dead" to your question above.  

 

[Zow]

I’ve already adopted four. Don’t plan on any more so I put no change. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

Getting an abortion will not be as difficult as some are trying to make it out to be. Your state may not allow, but your neighboring state likely will.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Are they better off dead?

Absolutely. If it were me, I would 100% want to be aborted rather than live in any of those circumstances.

 

[Captain Cranks]

Of course, there is also the possibility of extreme pain and death.   Like I said, we don't know, but each side of the debate would show different stats and would maybe have different tolerance levels of those wide range of possibilities.   

Just saying, I can imagine scenarios where I would rather be dead than endure it, and same goes for my kids - so I would say "yes, in some of those situations they might be better off dead" to your question above.  

I've brought this up before, but if you're a Christian and you believe a) a soul is created at conception, b) souls who die as babies go to heaven, isn't being aborted a fast pass to skip this evil world and go right to heaven?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Many things.

Give the unwanted baby to the Church and they became basically an indentured servant to the Church. 

Sell the kid to slavery.

Kill the kid. 

Sell the kid to the military. 

Kids raised by the much larger extended family units of the time.

Throw the kid out on the streets and let the kid figure it out. 

Sell the kid into marriage. 

Force the kid to start working as early as possible.

Have a real screwed up version of abortion of the time.  

Absolutely. If it were me, I would 100% want to be aborted rather than live in any of those circumstances.

Man, you must hate your family.   

 

[Captain Cranks]

I’ve already adopted four. Don’t plan on any more so I put no change. 

Right on. I'm up to two and think I'm done. If the house gets too quiet in a few years maybe we'll bring in a foster kid.

 

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https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families

That's what it says.

Bull####. Then why are there hundreds of thousands of kids in a horrible foster system? 

Not the "right" kind of kids for those people? 
 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Getting an abortion will not be as difficult as some are trying to make it out to be. Your state may not allow, but your neighboring state likely will.

Sure, assuming your neighboring state does as well , and the state you reside in don't pass laws punishing going to other states.  

 

[shader]

We got 1 adoption per 35 waiting for adoption.     I think we can handle it.

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[Da Guru]

We got 1 adoption per 35 waiting for adoption.     I think we can handle it.

Know a couple I work with who have been trying to adopt for 2 years.  Good people, good incomes, lots of red tape.

Seems much easier to adopt chinese babies than babies here in the states.

 

[Ilov80s]

Bull####. Then why are there hundreds of thousands of kids in a horrible foster system? 

Not the "right" kind of kids for those people? 
 

I think that is for adopting a new born baby and not say a 10 year old. 

 

[shader]

I've brought this up before, but if you're a Christian and you believe a) a soul is created at conception, b) souls who die as babies go to heaven, isn't being aborted a fast pass to skip this evil world and go right to heaven?

My beliefs aren’t exactly this, but I don’t believe it’s the absolute end for aborted babies -

I feel the same way about any human that gets killed.  But that still doesn’t make it right to be the one who ends the life.

 

[Ilov80s]

Know a couple I work with who have been trying to adopt for 2 years.  Good people, good incomes, lots of red tape.

Seems much easier to adopt chinese babies than babies here in the states.

The system needs to be reformed. There’s a lot of BS and private companies making a lot of money from all the red tape.

 

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I think that is for adopting a new born baby and not say a 10 year old. 

Exactly... 

 

[shader]

This thread does raise a good point.  Will there be a growing need for adoption after the SC’s ruling?

 

[Ilov80s]

I've brought this up before, but if you're a Christian and you believe a) a soul is created at conception, b) souls who die as babies go to heaven, isn't being aborted a fast pass to skip this evil world and go right to heaven?

I forget the official line, if the child hasn’t been born yet, do they have original sin? Or is that only after being born? Regardless, it is a conflict of logic that I never understood while in Catholic School. They definitely taught us God loves babies and they go right to heaven but were also anti-abortion. The idea of challenging how deeply the teachers believed crossed my mind but wasn’t worth the drama. 

 

[Captain Cranks]

This thread does raise a good point.  Will there be a growing need for adoption after the SC’s ruling?

I would think so. Making abortion illegal doesn't change the fact that the baby is unwanted, whether it be for financial reasons or other. 

 

[shader]

I would think so. Making abortion illegal doesn't change the fact that the baby is unwanted, whether it be for financial reasons or other. 

If more babies are born as a result of the SC ruling, that’s a good thing. Hopefully laws can be changed to make it easier to adopt. 

I don’t have any problem with a woman that realizes she’s not in a position to handle a baby long term. That’s what adoption is for and it’s a great thing. 

 

[Nugget]

Yes, I don't think abortion is the reason teen births have fallen. It has played a role for sure but it peaked in the 90s (not counting the mid century where it was normal for a 17-19 year old to marry and start a family, that's not what we are talking about). I don't think more States banning abortions will lead to a big uptick in teen pregnancy. For starters, teens are lest sexually active now than we have seen in a long time. 

I think we will see the results of these actions between 2040 and 2050. I’d anticipate higher teen pregnancy in 2045 than in 2035. We will also be able to see if this occurs in states where abortion laws were changed. Each state becomes a laboratory. 

 

[Ilov80s]

I think we will see the results of these actions between 2040 and 2050. I’d anticipate higher teen pregnancy in 2045 than in 2035. We will also be able to see if this occurs in states where abortion laws were changed. Each state becomes a laboratory. 

It’s possible that Roe v Wade’s impact took 20 years to take effect but I’m not sold on your hypothesis. Being a HS teacher, sex and teen dating isn’t what it was in the 90s. Boys are far more interested in their phones and video games than they are the girls in class. 

 

[crackattack]

I'm not a "kid person". I don't like kids. I never had kids. I'm a selfish person about my free time, and children don't fit my lifestyle. I've known that for long time, and had no desire to have children. So I won't be adopting children anytime soon.

 

[hagmania]

Exactly... 

Personally speaking as someone who is looking to adopt, I don't think I am ready to be responsible for a 10 year old without having raised one up to that age first.

 

[jm192]

Genuinely curious:

I was told by multiple people that overturning Roe V Wade wouldn't have a meaningful impact on the number of abortions.  The abortions were going to still happen.  They would just be in a back alley or by self induced injury.  

In the  last 24 hours, I've read how we all need to be ready to pay more for welfare to support these extra babies.  I'm posting in a poll about the increasing need for adoption.  

These two arguments or ideas seem very incongruent.  The number of abortions can't stay the same and the number of babies increase.  

I'm torn on the issue for a lot of reasons.  

 

[jm192]

I would think so. Making abortion illegal doesn't change the fact that the baby is unwanted, whether it be for financial reasons or other. 

Judging by the fact that there are 35 couples per baby awaiting adoption posted earlier in this thread, I think the baby is very much wanted.  Just because it's biological parent(s) do not want it does not mean others do not.