The Lawyer Thread Where We Stop Ruining Other Threads (3 Viewers)

[Eminence]

"This is your last warning. I will not threaten to not enroll in your PowerPoint course again."

@ a PowerPoint class at "college."

I hear they cover "fly in/out" animations the first week

You guys are showing your age. Business Computer apps is a standard class for any Business Degree nowadays.

Normally it's jammed into one class covering excel, powerpoint, word, etc. I took a comparable class at a University I attended a few years back but am retaking it at this institution to pad my GPA.

It's an easy A.

 

[Eminence]

At that point you can expect to be summons. I will summons the following people:

The fun part will be to see how they respond.

 

[T Bell]

At that point you can expect to be summons. I will summons the following people:

The fun part will be to see how they respond.

You mean after they stop laughing and showing it to their friends?

 

[Frostillicus]

"This is your last warning. I will not threaten to not enroll in your PowerPoint course again."

@ a PowerPoint class at "college."

I hear they cover "fly in/out" animations the first week

You guys are showing your age. Business Computer apps is a standard class for any Business Degree nowadays.

Normally it's jammed into one class covering excel, powerpoint, word, etc. I took a comparable class at a University I attended a few years back but am retaking it at this institution to pad my GPA.

It's an easy A.

For who?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Bragging time: just settled my first relatively big tort case.

Nice. Congrats.

 

[Instinctive]

You're going to work. A lot. You're going to work late nigts. They'll feed you to make you feel better. You're going to work weekends. You're going to miss fun things in your life. You are inevitably going to work for at least one (1) stressed out major #####. You won't like it. In the end you're going to make some money and wear your hours number like a twisted badge of honor.

Welcome, my son, to associate life at a big law firm. We've been expecting you.

PS...you're not going to change the world in any appreciable way. You're a cog,one of thousands, inside a machine which understands that your useful life is limited given the system and billing rates. The machine expects, no, needs you statistically to wash out in a few years to make room for the new crop.

Except I'm likely on a path to avoid Biglaw. That could change of course, but it sure is comforting to "know" right now.

 

[Christo]

You're going to work. A lot. You're going to work late nigts. They'll feed you to make you feel better. You're going to work weekends. You're going to miss fun things in your life. You are inevitably going to work for at least one (1) stressed out major #####. You won't like it. In the end you're going to make some money and wear your hours number like a twisted badge of honor.

Welcome, my son, to associate life at a big law firm. We've been expecting you.

PS...you're not going to change the world in any appreciable way. You're a cog,one of thousands, inside a machine which understands that your useful life is limited given the system and billing rates. The machine expects, no, needs you statistically to wash out in a few years to make room for the new crop.

Except I'm likely on a path to avoid Biglaw. That could change of course, but it sure is comforting to "know" right now.

BigLaw is for #######.

 

[Zow]

About to head into court and argue to a judge as to why the plea agreement I got for my client isn't overly harsh (a previous judge has already rejected it for being such). And, in doing so, argue to a judge that there is significant emotional harm suffered by a fifteen year old boy who got to have lots of sex with a 21 year old relatively attractive female.

This should be fun.

 

[Henry Ford]

You're going to work. A lot. You're going to work late nigts. They'll feed you to make you feel better. You're going to work weekends. You're going to miss fun things in your life. You are inevitably going to work for at least one (1) stressed out major #####. You won't like it. In the end you're going to make some money and wear your hours number like a twisted badge of honor.

Welcome, my son, to associate life at a big law firm. We've been expecting you.

PS...you're not going to change the world in any appreciable way. You're a cog,one of thousands, inside a machine which understands that your useful life is limited given the system and billing rates. The machine expects, no, needs you statistically to wash out in a few years to make room for the new crop.

Except I'm likely on a path to avoid Biglaw. That could change of course, but it sure is comforting to "know" right now.

Allow me to try to recruit you: be a country lawyer. Work in a small city, be the brightest bulb in plaintiff's work in your area, and have all the things Skadden will deny you.

Also, "hi" from Belize.

 

[njherdfan]

BigLaw is for #######.

You're going to work. A lot. You're going to work late nigts. They'll feed you to make you feel better. You're going to work weekends. You're going to miss fun things in your life. You are inevitably going to work for at least one (1) stressed out major #####. You won't like it. In the end you're going to make some money and wear your hours number like a twisted badge of honor.

Welcome, my son, to associate life at a big law firm. We've been expecting you.

PS...you're not going to change the world in any appreciable way. You're a cog,one of thousands, inside a machine which understands that your useful life is limited given the system and billing rates. The machine expects, no, needs you statistically to wash out in a few years to make room for the new crop.

Except I'm likely on a path to avoid Biglaw. That could change of course, but it sure is comforting to "know" right now.

Allow me to try to recruit you: be a country lawyer. Work in a small city, be the brightest bulb in plaintiff's work in your area, and have all the things Skadden will deny you.

Also, "hi" from Belize.

What were your respective career paths? Did you both avoid biglaw entirely?

 

[Zow]

About to head into court and argue to a judge as to why the plea agreement I got for my client isn't overly harsh (a previous judge has already rejected it for being such). And, in doing so, argue to a judge that there is significant emotional harm suffered by a fifteen year old boy who got to have lots of sex with a 21 year old relatively attractive female.

This should be fun.

Actually, this was insanely awful. Had the judge indicate the plea was a miscarriage of justice, rip our statutes and the legislature who created them, and slam the prosecutor. Then tell my client she was getting an illegal sentence and it's a travesty. Tears everywhere. Yay lawyering.

 

[T Bell]

About to head into court and argue to a judge as to why the plea agreement I got for my client isn't overly harsh (a previous judge has already rejected it for being such). And, in doing so, argue to a judge that there is significant emotional harm suffered by a fifteen year old boy who got to have lots of sex with a 21 year old relatively attractive female.

This should be fun.

Actually, this was insanely awful. Had the judge indicate the plea was a miscarriage of justice, rip our statutes and the legislature who created them, and slam the prosecutor. Then tell my client she was getting an illegal sentence and it's a travesty. Tears everywhere. Yay lawyering.

So the judge upheld the plea agreement?

 

[Zow]

About to head into court and argue to a judge as to why the plea agreement I got for my client isn't overly harsh (a previous judge has already rejected it for being such). And, in doing so, argue to a judge that there is significant emotional harm suffered by a fifteen year old boy who got to have lots of sex with a 21 year old relatively attractive female.

This should be fun.

Actually, this was insanely awful. Had the judge indicate the plea was a miscarriage of justice, rip our statutes and the legislature who created them, and slam the prosecutor. Then tell my client she was getting an illegal sentence and it's a travesty. Tears everywhere. Yay lawyering.

So the judge upheld the plea agreement?

Yes. Reluctantly. Made a record of his position that he was making an illegal finding of a statutory aggravator in order to do so. Then basically told my client that if she were to file for post conviction relief, then she should win.

What sucks though is that, based on the mandatory sentencing we have in our state, I did get her a "good" plea. If she went to trial and was convicted of all counts (likely), she's going to prison AND registering as a sex offender. The plea I got her, which was the result of several meetings with the prosecutor hard work compiling some statistics to show him, eliminated the latter - which is arguably a worse sanction than the former. Within the confines of my state's law and the stubbornness of the prosecutor assigned to the case, I did my job and got her a beneficial plea and what I believe was the best plea possible. Just so painful to hear a judge telling your client that she's getting injustice.

 

[Instinctive]

Do you practicing lawyers have a preference for Lexis or Westlaw, generally? Writing our first individual memo assignment for LRW. It's kind of fun to fit the cases together, analogize/distinguish and such.

Then after a couple hours it's not fun anymore. But when I start it is! That's something to hold on to.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Do you practicing lawyers have a preference for Lexis or Westlaw, generally? Writing our first individual memo assignment for LRW. It's kind of fun to fit the cases together, analogize/distinguish and such.

Then after a couple hours it's not fun anymore. But when I start it is! That's something to hold on to.

We were forced to use the library because " you never know when there will be a power outage or your computer won't work and you won't have the internet so you are going to need to learn how to Shepardize the way we did before electricity because we are all ***holes and get off on forcing you to use these ridiculous books."

I actually don't use either. Waste of money. My state bar has a very cheap alternative that has more information and Google Scholar is your friend.

 

[thecatch]

Do you practicing lawyers have a preference for Lexis or Westlaw, generally? Writing our first individual memo assignment for LRW. It's kind of fun to fit the cases together, analogize/distinguish and such.

Then after a couple hours it's not fun anymore. But when I start it is! That's something to hold on to.

Westlaw is more widely used generally, but there are various jurisdictions that prefer Lexis. I think WestlawNext is awesome.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Both next gen platforms are fine (and Yankees is right to the extent that if you can get by with a free research service, that's even better). I used to prefer Westlaw for how they handled USITC cases, but that's the type of stuff that is likely to make your decision for you if and when you practice. No need to develop a preference in law school.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Writing our first individual memo assignment for LRW. It's kind of fun to fit the cases together, analogize/distinguish and such.

Then after a couple hours it's not fun anymore. But when I start it is! That's something to hold on to.

If/when you're buried in bull#### discovery practice as a junior associate, you'll beg to draft something resembling actual legal argument. You're in law school. You're supposed to like that part.

 

[Wooderson]

I reckon I'll ask this question in here.

How much would defense attorney make in a major city with 5 years experience?

Is a defense attorney a common first job out of law school?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Do you practicing lawyers have a preference for Lexis or Westlaw, generally?

They're both pretty awesome when you're not paying for them. I always liked Westlaw better, but it's generally more expensive (depending on exactly which packages you get).

You should use them both plenty right now while they're free, rather than becoming especially attached to one or the other.

 

[Henry Ford]

BigLaw is for #######.

You're going to work. A lot. You're going to work late nigts. They'll feed you to make you feel better. You're going to work weekends. You're going to miss fun things in your life. You are inevitably going to work for at least one (1) stressed out major #####. You won't like it. In the end you're going to make some money and wear your hours number like a twisted badge of honor.

Welcome, my son, to associate life at a big law firm. We've been expecting you.

PS...you're not going to change the world in any appreciable way. You're a cog,one of thousands, inside a machine which understands that your useful life is limited given the system and billing rates. The machine expects, no, needs you statistically to wash out in a few years to make room for the new crop.

Except I'm likely on a path to avoid Biglaw. That could change of course, but it sure is comforting to "know" right now.

Allow me to try to recruit you: be a country lawyer. Work in a small city, be the brightest bulb in plaintiff's work in your area, and have all the things Skadden will deny you.Also, "hi" from Belize.

What were your respective career paths? Did you both avoid biglaw entirely?

I did. I did some defense work for what passes for a larger law firm in Louisiana many years ago.

 

[Christo]

I reckon I'll ask this question in here.

How much would defense attorney make in a major city with 5 years experience?

Is a defense attorney a common first job out of law school?

Defense of what?

 

[Henry Ford]

I reckon I'll ask this question in here.

How much would defense attorney make in a major city with 5 years experience?

Is a defense attorney a common first job out of law school?

Defense of what?

You know. Defense.

 

[Wooderson]

I reckon I'll ask this question in here.

How much would defense attorney make in a major city with 5 years experience?

Is a defense attorney a common first job out of law school?

Defense of what?

You know. Defense.

Whoops public defender.

 

[krista4]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

 

[Wooderson]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

It's a relative of mine. He had a job with a firm doing contract law. Then something happened where I guess he had to find something new. He now has been a public defender for 5 years.

He has good stories but I don't think it would be a lawyers dream job.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

It's a relative of mine. He had a job with a firm doing contract law. Then something happened where I guess he had to find something new. He now has been a public defender for 5 years. He has good stories but I don't think it would be a lawyers dream job.

Pretty sure Woz was a pd.

 

[Christo]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

It's a relative of mine. He had a job with a firm doing contract law. Then something happened where I guess he had to find something new. He now has been a public defender for 5 years.

He has good stories but I don't think it would be a lawyers dream job.

If you like to be in court it's exactly the opposite of the BigLaw jobs. You are there every day and you are directly affecting people's lives every day. I have friends who went to public defender and state's attorney jobs. And they weren't easy to get even though the starting salary in '98 was in the mid $30ks. Burn out rate is high given the low pay. I only remember one guy who was there longer than 5 years.

 

[krista4]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

It's a relative of mine. He had a job with a firm doing contract law. Then something happened where I guess he had to find something new. He now has been a public defender for 5 years.He has good stories but I don't think it would be a lawyers dream job.

Pretty sure Woz was a pd.

Yes, he was. I'm sure he'd have more info on what's a good salary as well. Agree that it's probably not the dream job for most lawyers, but for some it's exactly what they want to do. Is he happier doing it?

 

[thecatch]

I reckon I'll ask this question in here.

How much would defense attorney make in a major city with 5 years experience?

Is a defense attorney a common first job out of law school?

Defense of what?

You know. Defense.

Whoops public defender.

Federal, probably 80-90k ish.

 

[Wooderson]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

It's a relative of mine. He had a job with a firm doing contract law. Then something happened where I guess he had to find something new. He now has been a public defender for 5 years.He has good stories but I don't think it would be a lawyers dream job.

Pretty sure Woz was a pd.

Yes, he was. I'm sure he'd have more info on what's a good salary as well. Agree that it's probably not the dream job for most lawyers, but for some it's exactly what they want to do. Is he happier doing it?

He says it good. But he seemed to like his previous job more. He has to work a lot more hours as a PD.

 

[Otis]

You're going to work. A lot. You're going to work late nigts. They'll feed you to make you feel better. You're going to work weekends. You're going to miss fun things in your life. You are inevitably going to work for at least one (1) stressed out major #####. You won't like it. In the end you're going to make some money and wear your hours number like a twisted badge of honor.

Welcome, my son, to associate life at a big law firm. We've been expecting you.

PS...you're not going to change the world in any appreciable way. You're a cog,one of thousands, inside a machine which understands that your useful life is limited given the system and billing rates. The machine expects, no, needs you statistically to wash out in a few years to make room for the new crop.

Except I'm likely on a path to avoid Biglaw. That could change of course, but it sure is comforting to "know" right now.

Probably a good idea.

 

[Zow]

I was a PD for about 3 years combined and worked for a PD all through law school. Furthermore, I handle a large chunk of the caseload my current firm gets with our public defense contracts (some jurisdictions, usually the smaller ones, won't have a formal public defender's office but will instead contract the work out to private defense attorneys) so I still do plenty of "public defense". So, in total, I have near seven years of working public defense. I'll try to answer as many as I can.

First, concerning strictly the work, I love public defense work. It offers the most rewarding parts of practice for me (negotiations, trials, and client contact), is never boring, and doesn't include the negative aspect of paying clients expecting the world from you and you wanting to deliver it solely so you can get paid. I have some crazy stories and when I get together with my civil friends I usually have the most interesting stories. There are certainly times where it's a thankless job (i.e. you did your best to get a guy who did some awful things a good plea deal and you have a victim cursing at you, a monster for a client with unreasonable expectations who treats you like dirt, and a public who doesn't even think you're a "real lawyer" yet helped carry out some injustice). Nonetheless, that stuff really didn't bother me a ton.

Second, regarding the hours worked, I imagine this is strictly jurisdiction specific. In my experience, I never really had one of those nightmarish caseloads you may see in the movies. Frankly, unless I had a big trial I had to prep for, I rarely worked more than 40 hours/week. Hell, when I worked for a major city's public defense offense the office kept the caseload so manageable and the prosecutor's had no authority to deviate off a plea matrix I maybe did 25 hours of actual work a week. I work far more now in private practice than I ever did as a PD (despite the common notion that private attorneys aren't overworked like PDs).

Third, regarding pay, again that's jurisdiction specific. In the two states I've worked (MN in school, AZ for work) the pay was pretty uniformly scaled across the state. Since it's public record, I can tell you in AZ a starting PD makes in the mid-50s. For me, as a single dude fresh out of law school, the 50k or so I made coming out of school and living in a rural area was more than enough to pay the bills and throw money at girls and Vegas on the weekends. Obviously, in a city where the cost of living is higher, or if one has a family and hefty student loans, I'm sure it's more difficult. In some of the other cities, however, I don't think it's quite as good. I have had buddies go work in the Boston and LA PDs and they barely made enough to cover their student loans. Nonetheless, an experienced attorney who takes a job as the jurisdiction's "Public Defender" could make six figures and I know the federal guys are making near that, too.

Finally, as far whether it's a common "starting job" I'd say it's a very common (and absolutely worthwhile) starting position for those that want to do criminal defense, but it's not necessarily a common "starting job" across the board. I would imagine as well that since the starting salaries do tend to be a bit lower, there are probably a higher rate of public defenders from lower-tiered schools, but that's maybe a loose correlation. Heck, in my experience when I started I came in with a Harvard, a Georgetown, a Cal, and a University of Chicago grad. As Krista indicated, for some public defense is what these people view as their missions in life and it truly isn't about the money for them.

That was way too long, but hopefully that's helpful.

 

[Zow]

I reckon I'll ask this question in here.

How much would defense attorney make in a major city with 5 years experience?

Is a defense attorney a common first job out of law school?

Defense of what?

You know. Defense.

Whoops public defender.

Federal, probably 80-90k ish.

The real cream is the federal contract. You get to bill at like 200/hr and, due to the sentencing guidelines and statutory limitations on plea bargaining, the work really isn't that hard/time consuming. I know some guys that make like 200/year as a solo with very minimal overhead.

 

[Zow]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

It's a relative of mine. He had a job with a firm doing contract law. Then something happened where I guess he had to find something new. He now has been a public defender for 5 years.

He has good stories but I don't think it would be a lawyers dream job.

If you like to be in court it's exactly the opposite of the BigLaw jobs. You are there every day and you are directly affecting people's lives every day. I have friends who went to public defender and state's attorney jobs. And they weren't easy to get even though the starting salary in '98 was in the mid $30ks. Burn out rate is high given the low pay. I only remember one guy who was there longer than 5 years.

Yeah, I wish public defense office's realized that they'd be far better off in the long run (and actually save money) if they gave raises quicker. They generally can get good candidates right out of school and the nature of the job offers new lawyers and opportunity to get trial and practice experience that is bar none the best. So, these good lawyers come out of school and spend a few years getting great experience, and then have the skills and resume to go after the higher paying jobs and, for the good ones, they get cherry-picked by the top local firms and can't turn down the money because their PD office has some scaled pay raise plan that moves at a snail's pace. Truth is though most of these lawyers would probably stay at the PDs if there was at least some regularity in raises because the security and benefits are so good, but instead the PDs let these well-oiled machines leave and have to resort to continually spending a ton of money and time training new PDs instead of simply paying their current employees just a bit more to be somewhat competitive in the market. Nonetheless, since PDO budgets are usually controlled by some elected legislative or executive body, they're going to be incredibly reluctant to give consistent raises.

When I left my first PDO job after 2.5 years to go join a tiny start up firm in Phoenix, I first went into my boss's office and asked if there was some raises in sight. He leveled with me and said the instruction was that current employees were on a hiring freeze and I shouldn't expect a raise anytime soon (I also suspected the county's "employee review" system was rigged and he somewhat confirmed that. So I left. Two months later I get a call from my boss's boss who asked if I would come back for about a 15k/year higher salary than what I was making previously. I asked if my former co-workers who I started with and were still there were getting raises too, to which he laughed and said no and that he can only get funds to bring on experience. Just dumb.

 

[Wooderson]

Thanks

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Settled stressful case. Don't feel like doing any other work today.

 

[T Bell]

"Common job" coming out of law school? I'd say no. 0% of the people I went to law school with took such a job. Might depend upon the school or area of the country, though?

Yep, definitely an unusual pick of jobs from my school too, though there were a few.

Generally I found that those who went straight to the PD's office tended to be Birkenstock-wearing liberal types who were doing this based upon ideology as much as anything else. Now as a 15+ year attorney, the funny thing that I've noticed is that other attorneys of my vintage who are PD's are pretty jaded about who they represent.

If you want to be a criminal defense attorney in private practice long term, either go work for the DA's office and then switch over, or else go work for a firm that does high end criminal defense (e.g. white collar) to cut your teeth.

 

[T Bell]

I've got a jury that just got a case on Friday. Two-day jury expedited trial with only an 8-person jury. Wife #2 is suing (Ex-)Wife #1 for slander and emotional distress. I've got the plaintiff. Crazy case.

I'll add more details later.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I've got a jury that just got a case on Friday. Two-day jury expedited trial with only an 8-person jury. Wife #2 is suing (Ex-)Wife #1 for slander and emotional distress. I've got the plaintiff. Crazy case.

I'll add more details later.

See now this is popcorn worthy. Not fighting with a school or wondering if you should cheat on your wife with the girl that rubs your back. I'm ready. And really not into doing any work today...... so "later" is like in 10 minutes, right? Right?

 

[T Bell]

I've got a jury that just got a case on Friday. Two-day jury expedited trial with only an 8-person jury. Wife #2 is suing (Ex-)Wife #1 for slander and emotional distress. I've got the plaintiff. Crazy case.

I'll add more details later.

See now this is popcorn worthy. Not fighting with a school or wondering if you should cheat on your wife with the girl that rubs your back. I'm ready. And really not into doing any work today...... so "later" is like in 10 minutes, right? Right?

No, later-later. Like this evening at the earliest.

I know what you mean about not wanting to work after a big settlement. It's like that for jury trials with me. I get so into a trial that it takes at least a week for me to be able to refocus on my other cases. Major cases that settle are like that too, particularly when it's on the eve of trial.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I've got a jury that just got a case on Friday. Two-day jury expedited trial with only an 8-person jury. Wife #2 is suing (Ex-)Wife #1 for slander and emotional distress. I've got the plaintiff. Crazy case.

I'll add more details later.

See now this is popcorn worthy. Not fighting with a school or wondering if you should cheat on your wife with the girl that rubs your back. I'm ready. And really not into doing any work today...... so "later" is like in 10 minutes, right? Right?

No, later-later. Like this evening at the earliest.

I know what you mean about not wanting to work after a big settlement. It's like that for jury trials with me. I get so into a trial that it takes at least a week for me to be able to refocus on my other cases. Major cases that settle are like that too, particularly when it's on the eve of trial.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Of all the doj offices out there, its just my luck that the one prosecuting my company's client is located in freakin Newark. Second trip there in a month, likely more on the horizon. I don't like business travel much anymore to begin with, but this is downright depressing.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Of all the doj offices out there, its just my luck that the one prosecuting my company's client is located in freakin Newark. Second trip there in a month, likely more on the horizon. I don't like business travel much anymore to begin with, but this is downright depressing.

I'll be there in federal on Friday.

Yes, Newark is not exactly...... nice.

 

[Henry Ford]

I hate coming back from vacation.

 

[Henry Ford]

I've been in the office for 3 hours, and this is the first chance I've had to get coffee.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Of all the doj offices out there, its just my luck that the one prosecuting my company's client is located in freakin Newark. Second trip there in a month, likely more on the horizon. I don't like business travel much anymore to begin with, but this is downright depressing.

I'll be there in federal on Friday.

Yes, Newark is not exactly...... nice.

We're staying on Broad St. a few blocks from the federal building. Asked the cab driver and hotel front desk for dinner recommendations, both said its best to just stay in the hotel at night. WTF?

 

[T Bell]

I've been in the office for 3 hours, and this is the first chance I've had to get coffee.

Back to work, slacker!

 

[T Bell]

Of all the doj offices out there, its just my luck that the one prosecuting my company's client is located in freakin Newark. Second trip there in a month, likely more on the horizon. I don't like business travel much anymore to begin with, but this is downright depressing.

I'll be there in federal on Friday.

Yes, Newark is not exactly...... nice.

We're staying on Broad St. a few blocks from the federal building. Asked the cab driver and hotel front desk for dinner recommendations, both said its best to just stay in the hotel at night. WTF?

I've always felt that Broad Street should be where the prostitutes work. Such a waste of a marketing opportunity.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Of all the doj offices out there, its just my luck that the one prosecuting my company's client is located in freakin Newark. Second trip there in a month, likely more on the horizon. I don't like business travel much anymore to begin with, but this is downright depressing.

I'll be there in federal on Friday.

Yes, Newark is not exactly...... nice.

We're staying on Broad St. a few blocks from the federal building. Asked the cab driver and hotel front desk for dinner recommendations, both said its best to just stay in the hotel at night. WTF?

Totally true.