The longer XP (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

I like it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Me too. Besides looking weird right now, I don't see any downside.

 

[Snoopy]

And Graham of the Saints hit the upright for a miss.

 

[renesauz]

And Graham of the Saints hit the crossbar for a miss.

Somebody else missed tonight too.

Reducing the XP % from 99 to about 86 would make games more interesting, make the XP try relevant again, and also have the added benefit of encouraging more 2 point trys (which would still be from the 2)

 

[Porkchop Express]

Hope they implement it sometime.

 

[Gawain]

Something feels wrong to me about having to declare the type of play before it starts. If there's a bad snap, can the holder run it in for two points? What if the QB drop kicks through the uprights from the 2?

 

[Insein]

Sure why not.

 

[cloppbeast]

I guess we won't see as many fake fields goals for two point conversions now.

 

[Dez]

No more Tommy Tupa 2 pointers with this rule in effect.

 

[Shawn]

Its dumb. I love fake plays... this will essentially kill the fake field goal 2pt conversion...

 

[renesauz]

Its dumb. I love fake plays... this will essentially kill the fake field goal 2pt conversion...

Which we saw....three times in a season?

An occasional missed XP >>>>an almost as rare FAKE two point conversion attempt.

More importantly, we might see twice as many 2 point conversion attempts in general, which are >>>>the XP from 2 yrds out and still > the XP from 15 yards out

 

[Gawain]

I'd rather see the uprights narrowed than the XP from the 15. That would also effect FGs which have become pretty damn automatic in their own right.

 

[cloppbeast]

Its dumb. I love fake plays... this will essentially kill the fake field goal 2pt conversion...

The NFL clearly didn't think this one through.

 

[cloppbeast]

Its dumb. I love fake plays... this will essentially kill the fake field goal 2pt conversion...

Which we saw....three times in a season?

And those were probably the greatest 3 moments of the entire season.

 

[Insein]

I'd rather see the uprights narrowed than the XP from the 15. That would also effect FGs which have become pretty damn automatic in their own right.

I agree with this also.

 

[Fariq]

I guess we won't see as many fake fields goals for two point conversions now.

Huh?

A fake field goal can never result in two points. A successful fake field goal would either result in a first down or it would be a touchdown.

 

[Bamac]

Reducing the XP % from 99 to about 86 would make games more interesting, make the XP try relevant again

To me, kickers are a sideshow that should be phased out, not made more important. I'd rather see the 1-point XP become automatic unless the team elects to try for 2.

 

[Snoopy]

How about this, if the XP is kicked from the line of scrimmage being the 15-yard line, going for 2 would also start there but getting to the 13-yard line would be a successful 2-point conversion?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I think the extra point should start uniformly from the 2 yard line. If you want to kick it the kicker should have to be the person who scored the touchdown and there should be no substitutions from the team on the field during the scoring play. It is an extension of that original play. If you decide to run it in or throw it you can do so, but not for 2 points, just 1. Again, being an extension of the scoring play there can be no substitutions. If someone is hurt on the touchdown they may not be substituted for absent using a timeout.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Kinda surprised at the number of people who are against this because of the handful of fake XP tries that are ran a year. If this encourages teams to go for more 2 pointers I'm all for this idea. More 2 pointers equals more fantasy scoring opportunities.

 

[DropKick]

How about this, if the XP is kicked from the line of scrimmage being the 15-yard line, going for 2 would also start there but getting to the 13-yard line would be a successful 2-point conversion?

How about "never in a million years"?

 

[DropKick]

Its dumb. I love fake plays... this will essentially kill the fake field goal 2pt conversion...

Which we saw....three times in a season?

And those were probably the greatest 3 moments of the entire season.

Really? Raiders' fan?

 

[Riversco]

I guess we won't see as many fake fields goals for two point conversions now.

Huh?

A fake field goal can never result in two points. A successful fake field goal would either result in a first down or it would be a touchdown.

A fake field goal CAN result in 2 points if the offensive player with the ball runs out of bounds in his own end zone.

 

[DropKick]

I guess we won't see as many fake fields goals for two point conversions now.

Huh?

A fake field goal can never result in two points. A successful fake field goal would either result in a first down or it would be a touchdown.

A fake field goal CAN result in 2 points if the offensive player with the ball runs out of bounds in his own end zone.

However unlikely.... good point.

 

[Fariq]

I guess we won't see as many fake fields goals for two point conversions now.

Huh?A fake field goal can never result in two points. A successful fake field goal would either result in a first down or it would be a touchdown.

A fake field goal CAN result in 2 points if the offensive player with the ball runs out of bounds in his own end zone.

Yes, you are correct. Of course, the odds of that happening are about a trillion to one.

 

[Riversco]

I guess we won't see as many fake fields goals for two point conversions now.

Huh?

A fake field goal can never result in two points. A successful fake field goal would either result in a first down or it would be a touchdown.

A fake field goal CAN result in 2 points if the offensive player with the ball runs out of bounds in his own end zone.

However unlikely.... good point.

The easiest way would be a fake field goal try. The place holder gets up with the football and throws a pass that is intercepted inside the 5 yard line. The defender then runs backwards into his own end zone and steps out of bounds. Safety for the kicking team.

 

[Fariq]

It also, of course, is not what the other guy was writing about. I guess he meant PAT instead of field goal.

 

[Riversco]

It also, of course, is not what the other guy was writing about. I guess he meant PAT instead of field goal.

During a PAT, it is impossible to score two points. Anything that would normally be a safety is only worth 1 point during a PAT. It is possible (however almost impossible) for an NFL team to only score 1 point. The only way it happens is if the PAT is fumbled and then somehow rolls down the field all the way into the kicking team's end zone and goes out of bounds there. The defense would score a conversion safety, worth 1 point. It can only happen this way because the moment the defense actually takes possession during a PAT, the play is over. So it would somehow have to roll almost the entire distance of the field.

The only other way for it happen would be for some idiotic legal offensive player to scoop up the ball and just run straight backwards willingly into his own end zone, under the assumption they could run out the clock. But the clock doesn't run during a PAT so they shouldn't do that.

 

[Snoopy]

Or does this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1UZy7SSdDI

 

[Fariq]

I used to buy the rule book but it's been four years and what we are talking about is so obscure anyway that now I am confused.

One guy said there are fake field goals that could result in 2 points for the team faking the field goal.

Now you are saying a fake PAT is worth 1 point. The odds of that happening are a billion to one. No team would fake an extra point kick to throw or run. It is nonsensical. Different story if it happened due to a botched snap.

 

[DropKick]

I like it.

I like it too. Far less automatic and I could see a game hinging on this if implemented. Even if an XP was missed earlier in a game, it could have an effect on strategy.

 

[Fariq]

It also, of course, is not what the other guy was writing about. I guess he meant PAT instead of field goal.

During a PAT, it is impossible to score two points. Anything that would normally be a safety is only worth 1 point during a PAT. It is possible (however almost impossible) for an NFL team to only score 1 point. The only way it happens is if the PAT is fumbled and then somehow rolls down the field all the way into the kicking team's end zone and goes out of bounds there. The defense would score a conversion safety, worth 1 point. It can only happen this way because the moment the defense actually takes possession during a PAT, the play is over. So it would somehow have to roll almost the entire distance of the field.

The only other way for it happen would be for some idiotic legal offensive player to scoop up the ball and just run straight backwards willingly into his own end zone, under the assumption they could run out the clock. But the clock doesn't run during a PAT so they shouldn't do that.

You'd have to show us the rule because I don't think there is any way for the defense to score on a try.

 

[Riversco]

It also, of course, is not what the other guy was writing about. I guess he meant PAT instead of field goal.

During a PAT, it is impossible to score two points. Anything that would normally be a safety is only worth 1 point during a PAT. It is possible (however almost impossible) for an NFL team to only score 1 point. The only way it happens is if the PAT is fumbled and then somehow rolls down the field all the way into the kicking team's end zone and goes out of bounds there. The defense would score a conversion safety, worth 1 point. It can only happen this way because the moment the defense actually takes possession during a PAT, the play is over. So it would somehow have to roll almost the entire distance of the field.

The only other way for it happen would be for some idiotic legal offensive player to scoop up the ball and just run straight backwards willingly into his own end zone, under the assumption they could run out the clock. But the clock doesn't run during a PAT so they shouldn't do that.

You'd have to show us the rule because I don't think there is any way for the defense to score on a try.

There's no way for the defense to "possess the ball" during a try. But the defense actually can score if the kicking team runs out of the back of their own end zone with the ball. That's one point.

 

[Late225]

I think a fake extra point is more likely to work from the 15 now because no one will ever expect it. Fake extra point seem pass. More space down the middle. Holder is back up QB - I like it.

 

[Fariq]

It also, of course, is not what the other guy was writing about. I guess he meant PAT instead of field goal.

During a PAT, it is impossible to score two points. Anything that would normally be a safety is only worth 1 point during a PAT. It is possible (however almost impossible) for an NFL team to only score 1 point. The only way it happens is if the PAT is fumbled and then somehow rolls down the field all the way into the kicking team's end zone and goes out of bounds there. The defense would score a conversion safety, worth 1 point. It can only happen this way because the moment the defense actually takes possession during a PAT, the play is over. So it would somehow have to roll almost the entire distance of the field.

The only other way for it happen would be for some idiotic legal offensive player to scoop up the ball and just run straight backwards willingly into his own end zone, under the assumption they could run out the clock. But the clock doesn't run during a PAT so they shouldn't do that.

You'd have to show us the rule because I don't think there is any way for the defense to score on a try.

There's no way for the defense to "possess the ball" during a try. But the defense actually can score if the kicking team runs out of the back of their own end zone with the ball. That's one point.

I think you are wrong. In college, sure, the defense can score. I am not aware it is a possibility in the NFL.

 

[Riversco]

It also, of course, is not what the other guy was writing about. I guess he meant PAT instead of field goal.

During a PAT, it is impossible to score two points. Anything that would normally be a safety is only worth 1 point during a PAT. It is possible (however almost impossible) for an NFL team to only score 1 point. The only way it happens is if the PAT is fumbled and then somehow rolls down the field all the way into the kicking team's end zone and goes out of bounds there. The defense would score a conversion safety, worth 1 point. It can only happen this way because the moment the defense actually takes possession during a PAT, the play is over. So it would somehow have to roll almost the entire distance of the field.

The only other way for it happen would be for some idiotic legal offensive player to scoop up the ball and just run straight backwards willingly into his own end zone, under the assumption they could run out the clock. But the clock doesn't run during a PAT so they shouldn't do that.

You'd have to show us the rule because I don't think there is any way for the defense to score on a try.

There's no way for the defense to "possess the ball" during a try. But the defense actually can score if the kicking team runs out of the back of their own end zone with the ball. That's one point.

I think you are wrong. In college, sure, the defense can score. I am not aware it is a possibility in the NFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_(gridiron_football_score)

In American football, if what would normally be a safety is scored on an extra point or two-point conversion attempt (officially known in the rulebooks as a try), one point is awarded to the scoring team.[21][22][23] This is commonly known as a conversion safety or one-point safety[24] and it can be scored by the offense.[21][23]There are at least two known occurrences of the conversion safety in Division I college football – a November 26, 2004 game in which Texas scored against Texas A&M, and the 2013 Fiesta Bowl in which Oregon scored against Kansas State.[25] In both games the PAT kick was blocked, recovered by the defense, and then fumbled or thrown back into the end zone.[26] Coincidentally, play-by-play commentator Brad Nessler called both of these games.[27]No conversion safeties have been scored in the NFL since 1940, in part due to the ball becoming dead as soon as the defense gains possession. The only scenario in which a one-point safety could be scored in NFL play would involve the defense kicking or batting a loose ball out the back of the end zone without taking possession of it.[28]

In college football, a conversion safety could also be scored by the defense.[22] To accomplish this, the kicking team would have to retreat all the way back to their own end zone and then fumble the ball out of it or be tackled in it.[24] While such a conversion safety has never been scored by the defense, it is the only possible way in which a team could finish with a single point in an American football game.[24][A]