The Real Official wildcard game 2 *** Steeler Vs Bengals *** (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

How much does Pacman get fined for that video?

Not a smart move.

Do you think he cares or did when he made it? Thank God he had an outlet like social media, you don't want that guy driving around mad, anything could happen.

 

[The Kerminator]

Wow McCarron is a crybaby

I don't feel that's fair today for someone who was just trying to play QB and win a game. If Burfict were crying then alright but AJ...look at his g/f, of course he is going to be a softie.

McCarron is also the back up QB, let's let him be.

If Dalton were out there tonight, different game IMHO.

"Every time we had the ball it rained , it didn't when they had it"

Is that an actual quote?

Had to be from Saturday Night Live right?

 

[Pipes]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply

Edit...2 yard loss....yes, should have been called.

That means that hits with the crown of the helmet are illegal when they are beyond three yards from the line of scrimmage even when they are between the tackels. It defines the area where it is allowed as a box with two sides being the tackles and the two other sides being 3 yards from the LOS.

This

 

[Jethro Q. Walrustitty]

The only way the game could have ended better is if Burfict hadn't been tackled on the interception, ran the ball into the wrong end zone and scored a safety.

Agreed - I was so hoping he wasn't down by contact. But stupid penalty instead will have to do.

 

[The Jerk]

I know I'll catch crap for this but watching the hits on Bernard and Brown reinforces two things for me:

1. I'll never let my boys play football

2. I think the NFL has peaked in popularity

the hit on Wheaton in the 1st half was no walk in the park

Agree with both. I think the NFL peaked last year. Would be curious to see the ratings.

It's hard to know exactly when something peaks until years after the fact. I think the peak was in 2010, and coincides with the rules changes on helmet-to-helmet hits. Penalties on these hits bother me, and I don't like it compared to before 2010, but I understand it, and feel less guilty about enjoying the on field action while hoping today's players won't have as high a rate of dementia and CTE as the players of the past generation.

 

[sho nuff]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive teams end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

Made my edit and he was behind the LOS...so illegal....but it does matter...once past 3 yards of the LOS, the tackle box ends by the rule above.

You are misinterpreting.

The tackle box is a 3 yard imaginary box. From tackle to tackle.

Once you get out of the box it's legal. So when the ball went passed the tackle you are out of the tackle box

It clearly says when both are clearly outside the tackle box.

I think Im reading the rule correctly here. Bolded it.

 

[dschuler]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

When has a shoulder to the head of a wr coming across the middle not been a penalty in the last 5 years

If that was Gronk or Witten out there they would have barely moved. Sure call a penalty, but it wasn't that malicious. Some of you guys act like he should be thrown in prison.

What exactly are you arguing? It was a penalty. Get over your hate.

I don't need to get over anything tough guy. I'm saying the hit wasn't as bad as people as making it out to be and I'll say it as much as I want to.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Jim Diapolis on ESPN saying Shazier's hit should've been penalized for leading with the crown of his helmet.

I agree with this and that is why I hated when Tomlin went for the fumble call. He just got away with killing one of their players and no flag on the crown of the helmet. 1st half they crucified the Cinci DB for just making a tackle at a guy running right at him full speed and leading with his helmet into the defender. Glad the media saw it that way.

This can't be for real, right?

It's very real. I have never been a Tomlin fan, felt he won with Cowher's team and the talent eroded on defense slowly over the years but I know some folks love the guy. He put his team in harm's way when he needed to keep things cool. He also is getting a pass for allowing his coaches on the field inciting the Bengals and especially Pacman Jones.

Stop. It's not Tomlin's fault Pacman is a ####in dummy.

Stop acting like the Steelers were choir boys tonight, nothing could be further from the truth.

They weren't, but they were a million times more composed than the Bengals.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Not a Big Ben fan, but props to him for being a tough sob.

He gets carted off every other week.

So sick of seeing Ben Limp around every week like he's dying and then people make a big deal about him coming back on every time.

He was limping with a hurt shoulder? Weird

 

[belljr]

Thinking it was a penalty = should be in prison? Ok

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The only way the game could have ended better is if Burfict hadn't been tackled on the interception, ran the ball into the wrong end zone and scored a safety.

Tim brings in an excellent point.

How come Marvin Lewis didn't realize that his guys were out of control? I thought for a second he really did run it back wrong and could at least put a game winning safety in play or on the scoreboard for the Steelers.

Lewis should have gotten it under control at that moment.

Burfict gave a hint if he hadn't already that he was a 1 man wrecking crew and was out of control. Sometimes it can be good when you have Lawrence Taylor but he ain't LT.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Red on ESPN said he was leading with the crown of his helmet which is illegal and should have been flagged

Total BS hit, felt that way at the time. Glad others not only see it but are finding the media members to say it. Fans in here, how can you listen to a Steelersfan on that hit? Of course they are going to say Bernard was not defenseless.

If folks want to argue that was leading with the crown, that's at lest subjective and can be debated.

There's no way Bernard was defenseless tho.

So you were pointing out the one rule, not "the rules", in your earlier post? Got it...

Nope. Thought you were arguing that it was a split second play on Bernard being defenseless which he clearly wasn't.

If I am wrong with the contact with crown thing, I've already posted I will own it.

I was arguing that it was classless of Shazier to be celebrating the head injury like he was. You decided to go all "it was legal hit by the rules" which had no bearing on it still being classless.

anyways...I was just busting balls with that last post (and the one before)

 

[sho nuff]

Either way...it was behind the LOS and outside the tackle box...hence, illegal.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Burfict-- you mad bro?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

End of an era I'd bet Lewis is fired after this

Lost control of the team.most importantly STILL has not won a playoff game. Marty Schottenheimer is off the hook as the worst postseason coach. Lewis is just plain bad

Good riddance.

Fins fan.

I'd fire Adam Gase tomorrow if Lewis became available.

 

[The Jerk]

Burfict-- you mad bro?

100% class

 

[JoeSteeler]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

 

[Politician Spock]

Either way...it was behind the LOS and outside the tackle box...hence, illegal.

Yep. The refs ####ed up.

 

[AAABatteries]

How much does Pacman get fined for that video?

Not a smart move.

Do you think he cares or did when he made it? Thank God he had an outlet like social media, you don't want that guy driving around mad, anything could happen.

He's shown he doesn't care about fines for sure, just curious how much it will be calling the refs out.

 

[cheese]

lol Lewis isnt even close to getting fired.

 

[The Kerminator]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

He should answer them "I'm just here so I don't get fined"

 

[sho nuff]

Either way...it was behind the LOS and outside the tackle box...hence, illegal.

Yep. The refs ####ed up.

and trying to read NFL rules after several bourbons and beers is not wise.

 

[AAABatteries]

Either way...it was behind the LOS and outside the tackle box...hence, illegal.

I don't really get why they even have the LOS qualifier.

 

[The Jerk]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

I don't think the Steelers win next week, down three RBs, and with their two best offensive players limited at best, but the way the Bengals have acted may make this one of my top ever Steeler wins.

That, and the random fact that the Steelers have not gone longer than five years without a playoff win since 1972. That streak would have ended with a loss tonight. An unbelievable feat if you think about it.

 

[dschuler]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

I don't think the Steelers win next week, down three RBs, and with their two best offensive players limited at best, but the way the Bengals have acted may make this one of my top ever Steeler wins.

That, and the random fact that the Steelers have not gone longer than five years without a playoff win since 1972. That streak would have ended with a loss tonight. An unbelievable feat if you think about it.

That's insane.

 

[treat88]

Red on ESPN said he was leading with the crown of his helmet which is illegal and should have been flagged

Total BS hit, felt that way at the time. Glad others not only see it but are finding the media members to say it. Fans in here, how can you listen to a Steelersfan on that hit? Of course they are going to say Bernard was not defenseless.

If folks want to argue that was leading with the crown, that's at lest subjective and can be debated.

There's no way Bernard was defenseless tho.

So you were pointing out the one rule, not "the rules", in your earlier post? Got it...

Nope. Thought you were arguing that it was a split second play on Bernard being defenseless which he clearly wasn't.

If I am wrong with the contact with crown thing, I've already posted I will own it.

I was arguing that it was classless of Shazier to be celebrating the head injury like he was. You decided to go all "it was legal hit by the rules" which had no bearing on it still being classless.

anyways...I was just busting balls with that last post (and the one before)

Agreed with the classless part. Still not sure what the crown of the helmet on a nondefenseless runner rule is.

Bust away!

 

[babydemon90]

Penalties aside - how do you fumble in that position. Run the ball 3 times and kick a field goal. I mean - that's all you have to fo to force Pitt to go 80 in 1 min for a TD.

 

[belljr]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive teams end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

Made my edit and he was behind the LOS...so illegal....but it does matter...once past 3 yards of the LOS, the tackle box ends by the rule above.

You are misinterpreting.The tackle box is a 3 yard imaginary box. From tackle to tackle.

Once you get out of the box it's legal. So when the ball went passed the tackle you are out of the tackle box

It clearly says when both are clearly outside the tackle box.

I think Im reading the rule correctly here. Bolded it.

I thought you were saying since he was behind the LOS it's not a penalty. In this instance it didn't matter because he was outside the box. But I think we're saying the same thing. I forgot that rule got added recently. Wit the following

Player must be lined up

Outside tackle box.

Crown hits him

 

[flapgreen]

Wow McCarron is a crybaby

I don't feel that's fair today for someone who was just trying to play QB and win a game. If Burfict were crying then alright but AJ...look at his g/f, of course he is going to be a softie.

McCarron is also the back up QB, let's let him be.

If Dalton were out there tonight, different game IMHO.

"Every time we had the ball it rained , it didn't when they had it"

Is that an actual quote?

So funny

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

When has a shoulder to the head of a wr coming across the middle not been a penalty in the last 5 years

If that was Gronk or Witten out there they would have barely moved. Sure call a penalty, but it wasn't that malicious. Some of you guys act like he should be thrown in prison.

What exactly are you arguing? It was a penalty. Get over your hate.

I don't need to get over anything tough guy. I'm saying the hit wasn't as bad as people as making it out to be and I'll say it as much as I want to.

It doesn't matter if it was as bad as people are making it out to be. It was PLENTY bad enough to draw a flag. This isn't new.

 

[flapgreen]

Surprised to see Cowher and Esiason calling for Lewis' head.

Respect them more after hearing them say it.

They're paid to build drama with what they say. Not sure why that garners respect. Just like Nance always pulls his bs

If it was anyone other than Burfict, I may agree with you. But you have to look at the history

I meant them calling for Lewis

 

[Politician Spock]

Either way...it was behind the LOS and outside the tackle box...hence, illegal.

I don't really get why they even have the LOS qualifier.

They don't. All it does is create a very small place on the field where it's legal to lead with the crown. It's a box about 8 yards wide and 3 yards beyond the LOS of scrimmage, and it exists because runnings backs would get their heads torn off if they couldn't lower they heads running through there.

 

[sho nuff]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive teams end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

Made my edit and he was behind the LOS...so illegal....but it does matter...once past 3 yards of the LOS, the tackle box ends by the rule above.

You are misinterpreting.The tackle box is a 3 yard imaginary box. From tackle to tackle.

Once you get out of the box it's legal. So when the ball went passed the tackle you are out of the tackle box

It clearly says when both are clearly outside the tackle box.

I think Im reading the rule correctly here. Bolded it.

I thought you were saying since he was behind the LOS it's not a penalty. In this instance it didn't matter because he was outside the box. But I think we're saying the same thing. I forgot that rule got added recently. Wit the following

Player must be lined up

Outside tackle box.

Crown hits him

Probably wasn't clear...bourbon and beer

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Penalties aside - how do you fumble in that position. Run the ball 3 times and kick a field goal. I mean - that's all you have to fo to force Pitt to go 80 in 1 min for a TD.

I don't think he fumbled on purpose. But that's just me.

 

[Jethro Q. Walrustitty]

Penalties aside - how do you fumble in that position. Run the ball 3 times and kick a field goal. I mean - that's all you have to fo to force Pitt to go 80 in 1 min for a TD.

With a backup QB in for the rest of the game as far as they knew. Hell, I might have had McCarron kneel 3 times just to eat up the TOs. No way Landry Jones gets it 80 yds to the endzone on a perfect day, much less in those conditions.

 

[humpback]

Penalties aside - how do you fumble in that position. Run the ball 3 times and kick a field goal. I mean - that's all you have to fo to force Pitt to go 80 in 1 min for a TD.

The fumble was bad, but they went almost 80 yards in 1 minute at the end of the game (and that's assuming Nugent makes the FG).

 

[flapgreen]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Guys are going super fast and Brown came down at last second. I'm sure Burflict had no idea he hadn't caught the ball.

I think if you watch the replays, Burfict's head was up when the ball went off Brown's hands. We can debate about whether he had time to slow down or pull up, but I'm certain he saw the ball go by.

You could be right there

 

[pecorino]

Steeler fan here with some thoughts. 1) the NFL should be ashamed of that disgraceful display, really by both teams 2) No way Marvin gets fired 3) Shazier's hit was definitely illegal and could have swung the game 4) do yourself a favor and find McCarron's post game interview. It was hilarious, 5) Ben is the biggest gamer in the league.

 

[flapgreen]

Time for Marvin to go.

A million times this. Eight years of this ####, and he doesn't even have control of his team.I don't even know why I'm so upset, I'm not even a Bengals fan; but Jesus, I am tried of seeing games where the refs affect the outcome more than the players do.

NFL refs tarnish this game.

It's never ending.

They do have a boss. It comes from above, blame Goodell.

The worst

 

[Prince Myshkin]

The only way the game could have ended better is if Burfict hadn't been tackled on the interception, ran the ball into the wrong end zone and scored a safety.

Tim brings in an excellent point.

How come Marvin Lewis didn't realize that his guys were out of control? I thought for a second he really did run it back wrong and could at least put a game winning safety in play or on the scoreboard for the Steelers.

Lewis should have gotten it under control at that moment.

Burfict gave a hint if he hadn't already that he was a 1 man wrecking crew and was out of control. Sometimes it can be good when you have Lawrence Taylor but he ain't LT.

Burfict is taking a lot of heat and should be, but...

He's the reason the Bengals were in that position. He made so many HUGE plays at crucial moments, including a game changing sack and what should have been a game ending interception. They didn't show it on TV, but apparently he went nutso after the Bernard hit, but got it back together and I though played under control that next series that ended with the sack. Doesn't excuse the final play, but up until that point he had done a decent job of walking the razor's edge between that 1-man wrecking crew and out-of-control.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Surprised to see Cowher and Esiason calling for Lewis' head.

Respect them more after hearing them say it.

They're paid to build drama with what they say. Not sure why that garners respect. Just like Nance always pulls his bs

If it was anyone other than Burfict, I may agree with you. But you have to look at the history

I meant them calling for Lewis

Flap you have really come around on your hate for a lot of the nonsense in the NFL.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Red on ESPN said he was leading with the crown of his helmet which is illegal and should have been flagged

Total BS hit, felt that way at the time. Glad others not only see it but are finding the media members to say it. Fans in here, how can you listen to a Steelersfan on that hit? Of course they are going to say Bernard was not defenseless.

If folks want to argue that was leading with the crown, that's at lest subjective and can be debated.

There's no way Bernard was defenseless tho.

So you were pointing out the one rule, not "the rules", in your earlier post? Got it...

Nope. Thought you were arguing that it was a split second play on Bernard being defenseless which he clearly wasn't.

If I am wrong with the contact with crown thing, I've already posted I will own it.

I was arguing that it was classless of Shazier to be celebrating the head injury like he was. You decided to go all "it was legal hit by the rules" which had no bearing on it still being classless.

anyways...I was just busting balls with that last post (and the one before)

Still not sure what the crown of the helmet on a nondefenseless runner rule is.

IMO, it's just one of these catch-all penalties that a ref can call if they thing it is egregious enough. By the book, that's one that could be called 10 times every game.

 

[belljr]

Crown of the helmet is not illegal people.

Here is the rule.

ARTICLE 8. INITIATING CONTACT WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET. It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive teams end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul. Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

Now...I would have to go back...but was Bernard past 3 yards of the LOS? If so, the rule would not apply.

Makes no difference. He was clearly outside the tackle box.

Made my edit and he was behind the LOS...so illegal....but it does matter...once past 3 yards of the LOS, the tackle box ends by the rule above.

You are misinterpreting.The tackle box is a 3 yard imaginary box. From tackle to tackle.

Once you get out of the box it's legal. So when the ball went passed the tackle you are out of the tackle box

It clearly says when both are clearly outside the tackle box.

I think Im reading the rule correctly here. Bolded it.

I thought you were saying since he was behind the LOS it's not a penalty. In this instance it didn't matter because he was outside the box. But I think we're saying the same thing. I forgot that rule got added recently. Wit the followingPlayer must be lined up

Outside tackle box.

Crown hits him

Probably wasn't clear...bourbon and beer

Lol.. no worries. Once Gio caught the ball he was already past the tackle on the rigjt so Los doesn't matter.

 

[Franknbeans]

so, who gets fined after this one?

 

[-fish-]

Pac Man's deleted post game instagram rant (NSFW)

 

[fred_1_15301]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

I don't think the Steelers win next week, down three RBs, and with their two best offensive players limited at best, but the way the Bengals have acted may make this one of my top ever Steeler wins.

That, and the random fact that the Steelers have not gone longer than five years without a playoff win since 1972. That streak would have ended with a loss tonight. An unbelievable feat if you think about it.

Steelers will win next week.

 

[-fish-]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

I don't think the Steelers win next week, down three RBs, and with their two best offensive players limited at best, but the way the Bengals have acted may make this one of my top ever Steeler wins.

That, and the random fact that the Steelers have not gone longer than five years without a playoff win since 1972. That streak would have ended with a loss tonight. An unbelievable feat if you think about it.

Steelers will win next week.

If the refs want them to.

 

[cheese]

so, who gets fined after this one?

I'll take guessesBurfict

Pacman

JHill

Munchak

Porter

Shazier

 

[Jethro Q. Walrustitty]

LOL at dbag Burfict answering I dont know to every question

I don't think the Steelers win next week, down three RBs, and with their two best offensive players limited at best, but the way the Bengals have acted may make this one of my top ever Steeler wins.

That, and the random fact that the Steelers have not gone longer than five years without a playoff win since 1972. That streak would have ended with a loss tonight. An unbelievable feat if you think about it.

Steelers will win next week.

If the refs want them to.

They do, and so does Jesus, so....

 

[fred_1_15301]

Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.

Burfict made zero attempt at the ball. Watch the angle from the sideline. He lined him up

And how the hell would you know what he was attempting for, Lombardi?

The play doesn't seem that bad to me. I might be in the minority but it's the way I feel. It doesn't help Brown weighs 100 lbs

When has a shoulder to the head of a wr coming across the middle not been a penalty in the last 5 years

If that was Gronk or Witten out there they would have barely moved. Sure call a penalty, but it wasn't that malicious. Some of you guys act like he should be thrown in prison.

What exactly are you arguing? It was a penalty. Get over your hate.

I don't need to get over anything tough guy. I'm saying the hit wasn't as bad as people as making it out to be and I'll say it as much as I want to.

Ok tough guy. You're still wrong.