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The Real Official wildcard game 2 *** Steeler Vs Bengals *** (1 Viewer)

dparker713 said:
Steeler said:
dparker713 said:
If you're going to let instigation happen all game, it's just as much on you when someone finally reacts. They should have been flagging players earlier. When they finally decide things have gone too far then you need to acknowledge that you let the offending player be pushed to that point.
Again, this misses the main point. Pac Man did not get a flag for trash talking, he got the flag for bumping an official. As was said previously, trash talking was permitted during the game and while AB was injured, but bumping an official is never allowed.
It really doesn't. I've not claimed bumping an official should be tolerated. Then again, instigating someone to get them to bump an official also should not be tolerated.
:lmao: trash talking (whether you call it instigating or not) was being allowed by the officials. As soon as someone crossed the line and bumped an official the flag was thrown.

 
The Steelers homerism in this thread is hilarious.
Would you say it's more or less funny than this?
Why is emotion such a problem for you?
It's not. I am enjoying a gamut of positive emotions watching him cry.
If only your mother had held you when you were younger...
You seem to be taking this beat down pretty hard.
If anyone was beat down it was Antonio Brown
Not really, he's playing next week. Better luck next year, princess.
Or not.
Maybe, he has been reported to be playing from local media but ESPN has some "sources" saying otherwise.
Shockingly it looks like ESPN may be full of it.

http://www.observer-reporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20160112%2FSPORTS0403%2F160119865#.VpVfvXkLN88.twitter

 
poopdawg said:
Again, I don't think people are saying that they weren't penalties. People wanted Porter flagged as well.
There's no basis to flag Porter that I can discern.

Even if someone wants to argue that Porter violated the rule that states asst. coaches are not allowed on the field during injury timeouts, and ignore the fact that the rule is rarely enforced, and hadn't been enforced earlier in the same game during the Bernard injury, they would still have to provide evidence that the correct penalty for violating the rule is a 15-yard penalty. Nowhere have I seen anything pointing to this.

As for the trash talk, that surely had been going on all night. You can't let Porter and the Bengals call each other #####es all game long, and then suddenly throw a flag for it, on just one guy, in the last minute. It's absurd, frankly.
Pacman grabbed a ref from behind and pulled him. It's not because he was trash talking. Did you watch the video?
Did you mean to quote my post? It didn't say anything about Jones' actions.
 
3C said:
Chef Boyardee said:
I can't find anything, has Joey Porter received his fine yet?
Have a feeling even if there is a fine we won't hear about it.
I don't know about that, I mean Joey Porter was the cause of all this so surely the league would want everyone to know the punishment he received. We can't have people antagonizing these poor angels on the field by saying mean things to them and causing them to physically attack people.

 
So now allegedly. Burfict spit on DiCastro and was yelling he put Brown to sleep.

I believe 1 of them
There is video from the 12-13 game of DiCastro gouging the eyes of Gilberry in a pile. He is one of the biggest instigators out there. The league will have to step in to cool off this rivalry. Someone is going to get killed. Both teams are out of control.
Yup. If they put these guys on a Monday night game the place may get burned down.
We know the NFL will schedule the Bengals vs the Steelers on Week 4 Monday Night...right?

 
Florio is an NFL shill. Plus he's flat wrong.
Can't argue with either, just saying we might not see a fine. I live in Cincy, this place will lose its #### if he is let off the hook.
His entire paragraph that starts with second is wrong.
Except, according to this article from 2013 when the rule was instituted, he is right, and you are wrong.

Now, if you want to argue that Shazier did "line up" Bernard, that's another point, but according to this article, it is a necessary component.
Of course he lined him up I don't know how you can argue otherwise. ESPN had an former official on saying it should've been a penalty...a guy who's worked Super Bowl's. So dumb that so called "experts" can't even agree on this.
sho nuff said the rules are clear on this...

 
So now allegedly. Burfict spit on DiCastro and was yelling he put Brown to sleep.

I believe 1 of them
There is video from the 12-13 game of DiCastro gouging the eyes of Gilberry in a pile. He is one of the biggest instigators out there. The league will have to step in to cool off this rivalry. Someone is going to get killed. Both teams are out of control.
Yup. If they put these guys on a Monday night game the place may get burned down.
We know the NFL will schedule the Bengals vs the Steelers on Week 4 Monday Night...right?
Steelers guy on Twitter believes the first game between the two will be within the first three weeks in a 1 PM game. Not a good look for the league, and they want to avoid showcasing it.

 
So now allegedly. Burfict spit on DiCastro and was yelling he put Brown to sleep.

I believe 1 of them
There is video from the 12-13 game of DiCastro gouging the eyes of Gilberry in a pile. He is one of the biggest instigators out there. The league will have to step in to cool off this rivalry. Someone is going to get killed. Both teams are out of control.
Yup. If they put these guys on a Monday night game the place may get burned down.
We know the NFL will schedule the Bengals vs the Steelers on Week 4 Monday Night...right?
Steelers guy on Twitter believes the first game between the two will be within the first three weeks in a 1 PM game. Not a good look for the league, and they want to avoid showcasing it.
Obviously played when Burfict is suspended. Dan Rooney owns the NFL Commissioner's office. That's okay. I hear Paul Dawson is just as crazy as Burfict. Turn him loose....

 
poopdawg said:
Again, I don't think people are saying that they weren't penalties. People wanted Porter flagged as well.
There's no basis to flag Porter that I can discern.

Even if someone wants to argue that Porter violated the rule that states asst. coaches are not allowed on the field during injury timeouts, and ignore the fact that the rule is rarely enforced, and hadn't been enforced earlier in the same game during the Bernard injury, they would still have to provide evidence that the correct penalty for violating the rule is a 15-yard penalty. Nowhere have I seen anything pointing to this.

As for the trash talk, that surely had been going on all night. You can't let Porter and the Bengals call each other #####es all game long, and then suddenly throw a flag for it, on just one guy, in the last minute. It's absurd, frankly.
Pacman grabbed a ref from behind and pulled him. It's not because he was trash talking. Did you watch the video?
Did you mean to quote my post? It didn't say anything about Jones' actions.
I thought you were referring to him when you said about throwing a flag on one guy in the last minute.

 
It's a bit crazy to me that some Pittsburgh fans are so focused on "proving" Joey Porter being out there and causing #### wasn't the main reason the he was out there in the first place. He got exactly the reaction he wanted.

He got a Bengal to react and get a penalty. The Pittsburgh lineman is hopping up and down like a school girl when he see the flag thrown on Pac Man.

It's gamesmanship. It's been Porter's act forever. It's more on the Pac Man and the Bengals than him everyone is saying this.

Examining the video in slow motion funny as hell though.

 
It's a bit crazy to me that some Pittsburgh fans are so focused on "proving" Joey Porter being out there and causing #### wasn't the main reason the he was out there in the first place. He got exactly the reaction he wanted.

He got a Bengal to react and get a penalty. The Pittsburgh lineman is hopping up and down like a school girl when he see the flag thrown on Pac Man.

It's gamesmanship. It's been Porter's act forever. It's more on the Pac Man and the Bengals than him everyone is saying this.

Examining the video in slow motion funny as hell though.
:shrug:

The video doesn't lie

 
It's a bit crazy to me that some Pittsburgh fans are so focused on "proving" Joey Porter being out there and causing #### wasn't the main reason the he was out there in the first place. He got exactly the reaction he wanted.

He got a Bengal to react and get a penalty. The Pittsburgh lineman is hopping up and down like a school girl when he see the flag thrown on Pac Man.

It's gamesmanship. It's been Porter's act forever. It's more on the Pac Man and the Bengals than him everyone is saying this.

Examining the video in slow motion funny as hell though.
:shrug:

The video doesn't lie
What does it show again?

 
It's a bit crazy to me that some Pittsburgh fans are so focused on "proving" Joey Porter being out there and causing #### wasn't the main reason the he was out there in the first place. He got exactly the reaction he wanted.

He got a Bengal to react and get a penalty. The Pittsburgh lineman is hopping up and down like a school girl when he see the flag thrown on Pac Man.

It's gamesmanship. It's been Porter's act forever. It's more on the Pac Man and the Bengals than him everyone is saying this.

Examining the video in slow motion funny as hell though.
:shrug:

The video doesn't lie
What does it show again?
The video shows that he wasn't out there to instigate anything.

The video shows that he was kneeling next to Brown until he got up.

The video shows that he was walking right next to the Steelers trainer back towards the sideline past a group of Bengals until Burfict cut him off while trying to pat Brown on the shoulder.

People see him surrounded by Bengals, but they don't care that he's only in that situation because of what Burfict did.

The video also shows plenty of talking at that point by both Porter and the Bengals until Gilberry intentionally bumps Porter from behind as he's backing away.

An finally, the video shows the referees trying to separate everyone and no flags being thrown at all until Pac Man acts like an idiot and contacts a ref.

Still waiting to hear why there's no outrage that no personal foul call was called on Jeremy Hill for blatantly taunting William Gay after Green's TD. He did Gay's celebration dance right in front of him while pointing at him... far less has been flagged for taunting. That would've destroyed their chances at a 2 point conversion or made it a 50 yard extra point. Strange, Bengals fans don't care about that, or that their team wasn't penalized when they rushed the field after Bernard's hit.

 
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It's a bit crazy to me that some Pittsburgh fans are so focused on "proving" Joey Porter being out there and causing #### wasn't the main reason the he was out there in the first place. He got exactly the reaction he wanted.

He got a Bengal to react and get a penalty. The Pittsburgh lineman is hopping up and down like a school girl when he see the flag thrown on Pac Man.

It's gamesmanship. It's been Porter's act forever. It's more on the Pac Man and the Bengals than him everyone is saying this.

Examining the video in slow motion funny as hell though.
:shrug:

The video doesn't lie
What does it show again?
The video shows that he wasn't out there to instigate anything.

The video shows that he was kneeling next to Brown until he got up.

The video shows that he was walking right next to the Steelers trainer back towards the sideline past a group of Bengals until Burfict cut him off while trying to pat Brown on the shoulder.

People see him surrounded by Bengals, but they don't care that he's only in that situation because of what Burfict did.

The video also shows plenty of talking at that point by both Porter and the Bengals until Gilberry intentionally bumps Porter from behind as he's backing away.

An finally, the video shows the referees trying to separate everyone and no flags being thrown at all until Pac Man acts like an idiot and contacts a ref.

Still waiting to hear why there's no outrage that no personal foul call was called on Jeremy Hill for blatantly taunting William Gay after Green's TD. He did Gay's celebration dance right in front of him while pointing at him... far less has been flagged for taunting. That would've destroyed their chances at a 2 point conversion or made it a 50 yard extra point. Strange, Bengals fans don't care about that, or that their team wasn't penalized when they rushed the field after Bernard's hit.
Why was he out there? Forget it, never mind.

Whatever Hill was doing I agree with you and say he should have gotten a flag.

I'm not a Bengal fan, rooting for the Steelers in that game and will be against Denver as well.

 
To be clear, I don't really care if drawing a penalty was all part of his master plan. He had permission from the refs to be there due to the nature of Brown's injury, and if he wanted to take that opportunity to talk a little trash, I really don't care much. Both teams did TONS of talking that day. He's a young coach and "one of the guys," so you can be relatively sure that his initial reason for being out there was to check on Brown. If that changed a little and he saw an opportunity to try and draw a penalty after he got cut off, so be it... sorry for Bengals fans that Pac Man couldn't control himself.

Boswell still would've had the chance at a longer but still very makeable field goal anyways.

The issue is that people everywhere look at the 4 second video clip, see Porter in the middle of six Bengals, and vilify him for instigating something. Those people are too lazy to realize why he was in that situation. And it's not because he went and actively seeked that attention.

 
It's like Steelers fans won't be content until they're as hated as Pats fans.
:lmao: I do have to agree. i went into this thread just reading through it, and i think it has made me really hope Denver can beat them this weekend. It is good because i didn't have much of a rooting interest beside gambling and just watching the game, but after this thread and seeing the clips of it all again, i do leave here a little more of an anti-Steelers kind of guy

 
i'll give Pacman "Adam" Jones credit though. He presented pretty well on the Inside the NFL this week. Dude is not a likable guy (and a good point by B. Marshall that Jones has only had 2 unsportsmanlike penalties his whole career), but if i had to compare him to Greg Hardy, i will take Pacman

ETA: hmm, may have posted this to soon. I put this up in the beginning of the interview. Probably good for him to pull a Marshawn Lynch when people ask him questions

 
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i'll give Pacman "Adam" Jones credit though. He presented pretty well on the Inside the NFL this week. Dude is not a likable guy (and a good point by B. Marshall that Jones has only had 2 unsportsmanlike penalties his whole career), but if i had to compare him to Greg Hardy, i will take Pacman

ETA: hmm, may have posted this to soon. I put this up in the beginning of the interview. Probably good for him to pull a Marshawn Lynch when people ask him questions
He's dumber than a brick. I can't imagine he ever "presents pretty well"

 
i'll give Pacman "Adam" Jones credit though. He presented pretty well on the Inside the NFL this week. Dude is not a likable guy (and a good point by B. Marshall that Jones has only had 2 unsportsmanlike penalties his whole career), but if i had to compare him to Greg Hardy, i will take Pacman

ETA: hmm, may have posted this to soon. I put this up in the beginning of the interview. Probably good for him to pull a Marshawn Lynch when people ask him questions
He's dumber than a brick. I can't imagine he ever "presents pretty well"
i'm thinking that my expectations were real, real low.

 
Do you guys seriously think that Joey Porter orchestrated that whole thing? Leaving aside whether or not he should have been penalized (and I tend to think he should have been), I highly doubt that he actually planned that. If so, I gotta give him a lot of credit.

 
Do you guys seriously think that Joey Porter orchestrated that whole thing? Leaving aside whether or not he should have been penalized (and I tend to think he should have been), I highly doubt that he actually planned that. If so, I gotta give him a lot of credit.
i feel strongly he wasn't going out there to medically evaluate Brown. I don't think it was completely predetermined, but it is like asking an Johnny Manziel to hang out in a bar for an hour and do nothing but read a book. After you already had a coach pull an opposing player's hair, and your head coach has a history of tripping players on a field, i would hardly pretend that the Steelers are innocent in the whole situation

 
i'll give Pacman "Adam" Jones credit though. He presented pretty well on the Inside the NFL this week. Dude is not a likable guy (and a good point by B. Marshall that Jones has only had 2 unsportsmanlike penalties his whole career), but if i had to compare him to Greg Hardy, i will take Pacman

ETA: hmm, may have posted this to soon. I put this up in the beginning of the interview. Probably good for him to pull a Marshawn Lynch when people ask him questions
He's dumber than a brick. I can't imagine he ever "presents pretty well"
Totally OT, but it's a struggle to reconcile how complex and sophisticated NFL schemes/playbooks/systems are, and how dumb so many of the players executing those plans are.

 
Wow, do a little sideline dance during a kickoff return one time and all of a sudden you have a history of tripping players on the field.

 
i'll give Pacman "Adam" Jones credit though. He presented pretty well on the Inside the NFL this week. Dude is not a likable guy (and a good point by B. Marshall that Jones has only had 2 unsportsmanlike penalties his whole career), but if i had to compare him to Greg Hardy, i will take Pacman

ETA: hmm, may have posted this to soon. I put this up in the beginning of the interview. Probably good for him to pull a Marshawn Lynch when people ask him questions
He's dumber than a brick. I can't imagine he ever "presents pretty well"
Totally OT, but it's a struggle to reconcile how complex and sophisticated NFL schemes/playbooks/systems are, and how dumb so many of the players executing those plans are.
The individual players have very few jobs within any scheme. Most of them have no clue how it all works together, only what their role is.
 
i'll give Pacman "Adam" Jones credit though. He presented pretty well on the Inside the NFL this week. Dude is not a likable guy (and a good point by B. Marshall that Jones has only had 2 unsportsmanlike penalties his whole career), but if i had to compare him to Greg Hardy, i will take Pacman

ETA: hmm, may have posted this to soon. I put this up in the beginning of the interview. Probably good for him to pull a Marshawn Lynch when people ask him questions
He's dumber than a brick. I can't imagine he ever "presents pretty well"
Totally OT, but it's a struggle to reconcile how complex and sophisticated NFL schemes/playbooks/systems are, and how dumb so many of the players executing those plans are.
The individual players have very few jobs within any scheme. Most of them have no clue how it all works together, only what their role is.
Yup and a lot of guys can get by on sheer talent alone.

 
Dude that is awesome :lmao:

Someone send that to Joey for his defense in the league office
More unreasonable Steelers fans showing actual evidence of what happened using a video as proof. What nerve.

As has already been determined (and I've posted a description of what's on that video several times now), people have their own ideas about what MUST have happened out there and it doesn't matter what the video actually shows. Most are lazy and see nothing but the end, where Porter is in the middle of the Bengals players, and they don't realize how he got there or that he had never left Brown's side.

I'm sure Joey was talking #### all game on the sidelines. He always does. And I'm sure he had a little to say out there too. But his presence out there, which was OK'ed by the refs whether someone likes it or not, stirred up the Bengals. It's not the Bengals job to determine if he's allowed out there, it's the ref's. It's their job to maintain composure, and they could've verbally said anything they wanted. They just couldn't make it physical, especially with a ref, and whether it was intentional or not.

For whatever reason, guys like Gilberry and Pac Man couldn't control themselves. Game over.

 
When you say the refs OK'ed Porter being on the field, it implies he asked an official for permission, and he granted it. That is almost certainly not what transpired.

It'd be more accurate to say that the NFL is lax in its enforcement of the rule prohibiting guys like Porter from coming out onto the field.

It's a minor detail, but it's been bugging me. :shrug:

 
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When you say the refs OK'ed Porter being on the field, it implies he asked an official for permission, and he granted it. That is almost certainly not what transpired.

It'd be more accurate to say that the NFL is lax in its enforcement of the rule prohibiting guys like Porter from coming out onto the field.

It's a minor detail, but it's been bugging me. :shrug:
Understood. I'm also sure he didn't ask permission and get it. But given that he was out there with Brown for several minutes in full view of everyone, it's clear that the officials had no problem that he was out there. At that point, it's the Bengals' players responsibility to deal with it without acting stupid. And per Mike Pereira, there were 13 OTHER coaches on the field at that exact same time in various spots all over the place.

Yes, the NFL relaxes it's rules about assistant coaches and coaches being on the field in the case of major injuries. Always have. I don't believe it was a strategic move to send Porter out there with Brown... he's probably closer to the players than most coaches are as someone who was very recently a player. If Burfict doesn't cut him off, they all likely talk a little bit but none of the other stuff probably happens.

 
Can we all stop pretending that Porter had any intentions of checking on Brown? He was on the other side of the field where Bengals players were talking to a ref. He had a plan, knew what he was doing and executed it perfectly. Did nobody see the Steelers player jump like a kindergartener when the flag flew? They knew exactly what they were doing.
Amazing you still don't think Porter did anything wrong when he's getting fined by the NFL
Cameras weren't on him the whole time. Why is he going to be fined by the NFL if he was just standing there with his mouth shut?
I'll just assume that seeing how he is being fined he most likely did something to stir the fire?
You can tell the ref is getting in between Porter and the Bengals in that vid. You can see Porter is staying on the field after they are taking Brown off. What is he doing just before that, sharing recipes or training tips with the Bengals?

Porter is not any better than the ####### Bengal players, he's not even playing in the game. Get the hell off the field.
Any word on that fine yet?

 
Bengal Fan Logic...

If Porter is fined, it proves he was wrong and the Steelers cheat!

Bengals got shafted!

then...

Burfict getting Suspended 3 games just means the NFL is biased!!

Clean Hit!!!!1111!!

:oldunsure:

 
Bengal Fan Logic...

If Porter is fined, it proves he was wrong and the Steelers cheat!

Bengals got shafted!

then...

Burfict getting Suspended 3 games just means the NFL is biased!!

Clean Hit!!!!1111!!

:oldunsure:
I don't think a single person has claimed that Burfict's hit was legal.
How they call that I have no idea, from now on throw your head in to the defender if at all possible and you will get the call. Brown when from like what 6'1? down to 4'3?

Way to go NFL killing what could have been finally a good game.
If Pitt makes those penalties, there wouldn't be a flag and everyone would say just let the players decide at the end of the game. Cincy gets two personal fouls, and the reception is the opposite.
Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.
Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.
I didn't realize hitting someone with your shoulder was so bad.
 
Bengal Fan Logic...

If Porter is fined, it proves he was wrong and the Steelers cheat!

Bengals got shafted!

then...

Burfict getting Suspended 3 games just means the NFL is biased!!

Clean Hit!!!!1111!!

:oldunsure:
I don't think a single person has claimed that Burfict's hit was legal.
How they call that I have no idea, from now on throw your head in to the defender if at all possible and you will get the call. Brown when from like what 6'1? down to 4'3?

Way to go NFL killing what could have been finally a good game.
If Pitt makes those penalties, there wouldn't be a flag and everyone would say just let the players decide at the end of the game. Cincy gets two personal fouls, and the reception is the opposite.
Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.
Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.
I didn't realize hitting someone with your shoulder was so bad.
Apparently quite a few... :D

 
When you say the refs OK'ed Porter being on the field, it implies he asked an official for permission, and he granted it. That is almost certainly not what transpired.

It'd be more accurate to say that the NFL is lax in its enforcement of the rule prohibiting guys like Porter from coming out onto the field.

It's a minor detail, but it's been bugging me. :shrug:
For sure.

League will change how this is handled next season I'd think, if not it will happen again.

 
Bengal Fan Logic...

If Porter is fined, it proves he was wrong and the Steelers cheat!

Bengals got shafted!

then...

Burfict getting Suspended 3 games just means the NFL is biased!!

Clean Hit!!!!1111!!

:oldunsure:
I don't think a single person has claimed that Burfict's hit was legal.
How they call that I have no idea, from now on throw your head in to the defender if at all possible and you will get the call. Brown when from like what 6'1? down to 4'3?

Way to go NFL killing what could have been finally a good game.
If Pitt makes those penalties, there wouldn't be a flag and everyone would say just let the players decide at the end of the game. Cincy gets two personal fouls, and the reception is the opposite.
Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.
Idk. I feel like the Brown hit wasn't as bad as people think. It did seem like an attempt at the ball in real time, but with Burficts history and anytime you make such solid contact with the head, you won't get any benefit of the doubt.
I didn't realize hitting someone with your shoulder was so bad.
Apparently quite a few... :D
Not one of those says its not a foul. First bemoans making the call. Second one calls it a penalty. Third and fourth merely stating they didn't think the hit was particularly dirty. Apparently they left some children behind in Pittsburg.

 
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Not one of those says its not a foul. First bemoans making the call. Second one calls it a penalty. Third and fourth merely stating they didn't think the hit was particularly dirty.

Apparently they left some children behind in Pittsburg.
The first person says" How they call that I have no idea" That's saying it shouldn't be a foul.

You're just being obtuse.

 

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