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It's actually not very limiting if you don't mind posting 30 times in a row.Haven't gotten into the Twitter thing and the limited characters just seems to make for a poor place for any considerable discussion
It's actually not very limiting if you don't mind posting 30 times in a row.Haven't gotten into the Twitter thing and the limited characters just seems to make for a poor place for any considerable discussion
I think he just asked for an unsafe space.Did you just ask for a safe space?
And I'm here to tell you, there's something else.....Henry Ford said:Forever is a mighty long time
Thanks -fish-. I'm not surprised in his answer since he regularly gets things completely wrong, but I thought it was obvious. The last thing I want is a safe space. Safe spaces are for those that need to make a separate thread for "supporters" and even delete the thread when they don't like how it goes. I want an anti-safe space. I want a "if you can't handle it then don't go in" thread. I want a relaxed moderation thread, but it's not happening, so let's just forget it.I think he just asked for an unsafe space.
All I asked was a simple question.Thanks -fish-. I'm not surprised in his answer since he regularly gets things completely wrong, but I thought it was obvious. The last thing I want is a safe space. Safe spaces are for those that need to make a separate thread for "supporters" and even delete the thread when they don't like how it goes. I want an anti-safe space. I want a "if you can't handle it then don't go in" thread. I want a relaxed moderation thread, but it's not happening, so let's just forget it.
Please don't go down this path. We need to put a stop to this.Thanks -fish-. I'm not surprised in his answer since he regularly gets things completely wrong, but I thought it was obvious. The last thing I want is a safe space. Safe spaces are for those that need to make a separate thread for "supporters" and even delete the thread when they don't like how it goes. I want an anti-safe space. I want a "if you can't handle it then don't go in" thread. I want a relaxed moderation thread, but it's not happening, so let's just forget it.
There was nothing wrong with the thread title. You gave your opinion and people are free to disagree. There was nothing offensive about it. It may not bother you but it doesn't sit well with me.adonis said:I don't mind the name change
Murkowski appears to be an amazing politician. Consider the fact that in 2010, the Tea Party successfully primaried her, with the help of Sarah Palin. Murkowski then had to run as an independent but her name was not on the ballot; voters had to write in "Murkowski". And they did.I'd give Lisa Murkowski my undivided attention if she were to seek higher office and presented a slightly right of center message.
You could go back to Bismark - he was an arch-conservative, authoritarian who made democratic compromises when necessary, yet he instituted national health care in Germany. But then Euro conservatism was traditionally nationalist.Governor John Kasich told Bill Maher that one of the former senators of Ohio that he looked up to (Robert Taft), a staunch conservative, once said "if somebody can't afford healthcare then the government should get it for them."
How did "conservatives" go from that line of thinking to repeatedly voting to take away healthcare from 20+ million americans?
No. The "winning narrative" dies when all the 70 yr old racist Trump supporting bigots die.The republicans are establishing a new winning narrative. That narrative is the democrats are racist against white people. BLM, not enforcing immigration laws, being against the border wall, anti-Russia, being anti-cop, claiming women need to be more equal.....all of these issues are repackaged into one GIANT negative that it is ALL veiled racism against whites. They could make jokes like "if Russia was full of latinos and Mexico was full of whites, democrats would want a border wall with Mexico" and it would actually get laughter.
This is how liberalism dies. It dies because the republicans successfully link liberalism with racism. When that link gets firmly established, it truly destroys Obama's legacy. it becomes shameful to have voted for Obama. The people who voted in Obama will be viewed as racists, people who hated whites for the color of their skin, and we need to move past color to progress.
I doubt it last that long.No. The "winning narrative" dies when all the 70 yr old racist Trump supporting bigots die.
Yea, I don't get how anyone can seriously look at this country and think for a second that white males are discriminated against. By any metric you can look at, being born white and male gives you tremendous advantages in this country. I think part of the issue is that working class young white men who have this belief need someone to blame for their own deficiencies. I mean, if they don't make tons of money, have tons of chicks, someone out "there" must be working against them.The republicans are establishing a new winning narrative. That narrative is the democrats are racist against white people. BLM, not enforcing immigration laws, being against the border wall, anti-Russia, being anti-cop, claiming women need to be more equal.....all of these issues are repackaged into one GIANT negative that it is ALL veiled racism against whites. They could make jokes like "if Russia was full of latinos and Mexico was full of whites, democrats would want a border wall with Mexico" and it would actually get laughter.
This is how liberalism dies. It dies because the republicans successfully link liberalism with racism. When that link gets firmly established, it truly destroys Obama's legacy. it becomes shameful to have voted for Obama. The people who voted in Obama will be viewed as racists, people who hated whites for the color of their skin, and we need to move past color to progress.
And you don't think Dems are trying to shame Republicans with similar tactics? I would go much further and suggest Dems are far worse in going about using such tactics.The republicans are establishing a new winning narrative. That narrative is the democrats are racist against white people. BLM, not enforcing immigration laws, being against the border wall, anti-Russia, being anti-cop, claiming women need to be more equal.....all of these issues are repackaged into one GIANT negative that it is ALL veiled racism against whites. They could make jokes like "if Russia was full of latinos and Mexico was full of whites, democrats would want a border wall with Mexico" and it would actually get laughter.
This is how liberalism dies. It dies because the republicans successfully link liberalism with racism. When that link gets firmly established, it truly destroys Obama's legacy. it becomes shameful to have voted for Obama. The people who voted in Obama will be viewed as racists, people who hated whites for the color of their skin, and we need to move past color to progress.
Our society values treating all people equally. I am not sure what is a joke about that.The whole white American males are discriminated against in this country has got to be a joke.
So lying?Riversco said:The republicans are establishing a new winning narrative. That narrative is the democrats are racist against white people. BLM, not enforcing immigration laws, being against the border wall, anti-Russia, being anti-cop, claiming women need to be more equal.....all of these issues are repackaged into one GIANT negative that it is ALL veiled racism against whites. They could make jokes like "if Russia was full of latinos and Mexico was full of whites, democrats would want a border wall with Mexico" and it would actually get laughter.
This is how liberalism dies. It dies because the republicans successfully link liberalism with racism. When that link gets firmly established, it truly destroys Obama's legacy. it becomes shameful to have voted for Obama. The people who voted in Obama will be viewed as racists, people who hated whites for the color of their skin, and we need to move past color to progress.
sure we dojon_mx said:Our society values treating all people equally. I am not sure what is a joke about that.
Lets not forget this gem
One by one, we are finding the illegal gang members, drug dealers, thieves, robbers, criminals, and killers. And we are sending them the hell back home where they came from,” President Trump told the crowd prompting applause.
“And once they are gone, we will never let them back in, believe me. The predators and criminal aliens who poison our communities with drugs and prey on innocent young people - these beautiful, beautiful, innocent young people - will find no safe haven anywhere in our country.”
And you’ve seen the stories about some of these animals. They don’t want to use guns because it’s too fast and it’s not painful enough. So they’ll take a young, beautiful girl, 16, 15, and others, and they slice them and dice them with a knife because they want them to go through excruciating pain before they die.”
you are a weird dudeRiversco said:The republicans are establishing a new winning narrative. That narrative is the democrats are racist against white people. BLM, not enforcing immigration laws, being against the border wall, anti-Russia, being anti-cop, claiming women need to be more equal.....all of these issues are repackaged into one GIANT negative that it is ALL veiled racism against whites. They could make jokes like "if Russia was full of latinos and Mexico was full of whites, democrats would want a border wall with Mexico" and it would actually get laughter.
This is how liberalism dies. It dies because the republicans successfully link liberalism with racism. When that link gets firmly established, it truly destroys Obama's legacy. it becomes shameful to have voted for Obama. The people who voted in Obama will be viewed as racists, people who hated whites for the color of their skin, and we need to move past color to progress.
A world of never ending happiness...you can always see the sun... day, or night...And I'm here to tell you, there's something else.....
Most of the time I think you believe what you say. And then you make a post like this.jon_mx said:Our society values treating all people equally. I am not sure what is a joke about that.
Does it?jon_mx said:Our society values treating all people equally. I am not sure what is a joke about that.
Trump's election isn't about ideas...it's a reaction to the liberalization of America. It's a reaction to folks being told they were wrong, politically incorrect, being told that minorities need special advantages, being told that immigrants are welcome in our country and can enjoy the services we pay for.
It's not. I think folks who feel this way wouldn't say, outright, they're being discriminated against, but rather that all other groups are being advantaged over/before them. Gays, blacks, women, immigrants, muslims, and so on are all getting benefits that aren't extended to white males, and society is changing they'd say for the worse because of it. And what's worse is that it's THEIR tax dollars being taken by the government to pay for all these benefits to all these other people.Mile High said:The whole white American males are discriminated against in this country has got to be a joke.
What? This post is not even remotely in touch with a bit of reality or in part with facts.The republicans are establishing a new winning narrative. That narrative is the democrats are racist against white people. BLM, not enforcing immigration laws, being against the border wall, anti-Russia, being anti-cop, claiming women need to be more equal.....all of these issues are repackaged into one GIANT negative that it is ALL veiled racism against whites. They could make jokes like "if Russia was full of latinos and Mexico was full of whites, democrats would want a border wall with Mexico" and it would actually get laughter.
This is how liberalism dies. It dies because the republicans successfully link liberalism with racism. When that link gets firmly established, it truly destroys Obama's legacy. it becomes shameful to have voted for Obama. The people who voted in Obama will be viewed as racists, people who hated whites for the color of their skin, and we need to move past color to progress.
split them into 2 and then have 4.The parties need to go. It's the only way out. We need to hit self destruct on them both.
The Republican Party goes crazy, and your solution is to nuke both? WTF?The parties need to go. It's the only way out. We need to hit self destruct on them both.
Progressives/LiberalsHow would this work?
I don’t think the party system is great and I would have said the same thing 8 years ago.The Republican Party goes crazy, and your solution is to nuke both? WTF?
Dont the parties exist because of our voting system? Must change the cause first.I don’t think the party system is great and I would have said the same thing 8 years ago.
How so?Dont the parties exist because of our voting system? Must change the cause first.
Okay maybe i dont get it. Ive never seen a candidate on a ballot (for major office) with no political party. I thought the parties dictate to our election offices who makes the ballot based on the organization and money to do so. Where am i wrong?How so?
Each state has their own ballot access laws, but none restrict the ballot only to candidates of certain political parties. The Democratic nominee might not have to specifically petition for ballot access in Nebraska the way an independent candidate might, but nothing bars the independent from being on the ballot if other conditions (typically petition signatures) are met.Okay maybe i dont get it. Ive never seen a candidate on a ballot (for major office) with no political party. I thought the parties dictate to our election offices who makes the ballot based on the organization and money to do so. Where am i wrong?
It's not like I'm a huge fan of the Democratic party, but they're not the problem here.The parties need to go. It's the only way out. We need to hit self destruct on them both.
I am not blaming Democrats for out current problem. I am partially blaming the party system though. The entire idea of partisan politics leads to groupthink or votes against personal beliefs or the beliefs on the constituents in order to fall in line with the party. It also leads to less informed voters who just look for a D or an R when they vote without often knowing much about the person or their beliefs. It also leads to people treating politics like sports where anything their team does is good and the other side does is bad.It's not like I'm a huge fan of the Democratic party, but they're not the problem here.
The two party system where both are beholden to special interests. This is the ultimate problem. It's good to see people like Beto and Kamala Harris not taking super pac money. I'm curious how this trend plays out. I'm curious if any R's have made this commitment.I am not blaming Democrats for out current problem. I am partially blaming the party system though.
Are you okay with Harris taking union money? I know I am. And union money is absolutely special interest money.The two party system where both are beholden to special interests. This is the ultimate problem. It's good to see people like Beto and Kamala Harris not taking super pac money. I'm curious how this trend plays out. I'm curious if any R's have made this commitment.
Why would a party change it's behavior if when they go crazy, the populance blames both sides? They essentially get to screw over the populance, while only getting half the blame.I am not blaming Democrats for out current problem. I am partially blaming the party system though. The entire idea of partisan politics leads to groupthink or votes against personal beliefs or the beliefs on the constituents in order to fall in line with the party. It also leads to less informed voters who just look for a D or an R when they vote without often knowing much about the person or their beliefs. It also leads to people treating politics like sports where anything their team does is good and the other side does is bad.
I am not both sidesing anything. I am not putting any blame on the Democrats in my posts above. The system has flaws and could be improved IMO. Simple as that.Why would a party change it's behavior if when they go crazy, the populance blames both sides? They essentially get to screw over the populance, while only getting half the blame.
Nothing personally IIlov80s, b/c I'm a fan of yours as a poster, but stuff like this boils my blood. Both sides-ing everything contributes to the problem.