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Ok that's big.
It's looking like Manafort was an extension of the Putin-Russo faction in Ukrainian politics.
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Ok that's big.
http://www.rferl.org/a/paul-manafort-konstantin-kilimnik-trump-campaign-ukraine/28326123.htmlWho Is Paul Manafort's Man In Kyiv? An Interview With Konstantin Kilimnik
An elusive Ukrainian associate of Paul Manafort says he briefed the former campaign chairman for U.S. President Donald Trump on Ukraine during last year's presidential race.
The comments by Konstantin Kilimnik, in an exclusive interview with RFE/RL, add to the swirl of intrigue surrounding Manafort, a shadowy political operative who helped bring Viktor Yanukovych to the Ukrainian presidency and who is now under FBI investigation for allegedly communicating with Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 U.S. campaign.
Kilimnik, a dual Russian-Ukrainian citizen, himself studied at the Russian military's main university for languages, which has led to speculation that he has ties to Russian military intelligence.
In the February 22 interview, Kilimnik denied any ties to Russian intelligence. But he said that he and Manafort spoke during the 2016 election "every couple months."
"I was briefing him on Ukraine," he said.
Manafort was fired by the Trump campaign in August after news reports documented payments to him from Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party.
Last month, The New York Times and other media reported that U.S. authorities were investigating Manafort and other Trump aides for allegedly communicating with Russian intelligence during the campaign.
... Kilimnik also said that he had drafted a plan to bring peace to Ukraine in the nearly three-year-old conflict with Russia.
He referred to it as a "Mariupol plan," a reference to the southeastern port city that abuts the current line of conflict between government forces and Russia-backed separatist fighters.
It would bring Yanukovych back to Ukraine as a regional leader in the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces, where fighting has raged on and off for nearly three years, or possibly involve others such as the current separatist leaders there.
That plan, which Kilimnik said Manafort was not involved with, would face almost certain opposition in Kyiv since it calls for Yanukovych returning to Ukraine from Russia, where he fled in February 2014. ...
It does seem to buttress the
http://www.rferl.org/a/paul-manafort-konstantin-kilimnik-trump-campaign-ukraine/28326123.html
- So we have yet another Ukraine peace plan, totally inimical to Ukraine interests, from the Putin-Russo Ukraine faction, but this one was apparently in the works during the campaign.
- It is pretty clear that pro-Putin forces in Ukraine want a peace plan. They want one that is totally weighted in Russia's favor (and theirs) but they clearly need to 'cauterise' the situation. This would behoove them but also Putin by the sound of it. Maybe because Putinb's friends are getting severely hurt by the sanctions, a lot of big business is not getting done.
This seems, again, to butress the
Paul Manafort confirmed the authenticity of the texts hacked from his daughter’s phone during an interview on Tuesday
Russian consul in Athens found dead in his apartment yesterday apparently.
Just bad luckNov. 2015 - Lesin. - Russia Today director founder and advisor to Putin. Dead.
January 2017 - Malanin. - Senior consul, Greek embassy. Dead.
January 2017 - Kadakin. - Ambassador to India. - Dead.
February 2017 - Churkin. - Ambassador to UN. - Dead.
They like big buts and can not lie.We've gone from But Hillary to But Obama all the way to But McCain!
In a CNN interview, Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii Artemenko said he discussed his left-field proposal for Ukraine in January with US President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, who offered to deliver the plan to the Trump administration.
...In his interview with CNN, Artemenko shines a light on how a key Trump associate was allegedly prepared to push a controversial peace plan that might benefit Russia at a time when questions were being raised about the Trump's ties to that country.
The Ukrainian member of parliament told CNN he met Cohen through a mutual acquaintance, businessman Felix Sater, and that the three had dinner in a Manhattan hotel in January.
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In a hurried interview in a Kiev hotel, Artemenko said Cohen told him that Flynn -- who resigned in mid-February due to a controversy over calls with the Russian ambassador to the US -- was his best connection at the White House.
"Michael Flynn is the best person, the best of my connections in the Trump administration, who if he likes [it], it's going to [get] huge support, huge support," Cohen said, according to Artemenko.
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Artemenko knew the proposal would be controversial as it undercuts both the US and Ukrainian diplomatic corps, and he says he knows it angered Kiev, who will have seen it as a pro-Russian proposal.
"That's why I feel pressure, and for sure today I can see people accusing me, and I see the prosecutor of Ukraine is trying to do something, to open a new case, to do an investigation about me," he told CNN.
He said of the January meeting that Sater invited Cohen to "a dinner in the hotel in Manhattan, and we probably spoke around 20-25 minutes, where I presented my intentions, my peace plan for the Ukraine, how we can stop the war, how we can stop the killing."
Artemenko said he had never dreamed that his proposal would be seen by the White House, but he claims Cohen said the plan had "great potential" and wanted to deliver it to the Trump administration.
"It was Michael Cohen's idea," he said. "He [Cohen] mentioned his name first in my meetings. And he said 'listen, Michael Flynn' -- from his personal opinion -- 'is most powerful man who can really support this idea, who can support, who can help you, who can provide this information to President Trump.'"
Flynn resigned 24 days into the job after misleading administration officials regarding his communications with the Russian ambassador to the US before Trump took office.
Flynn made several calls to the ambassador in December, including some on the same day that the outgoing Obama administration placed fresh sanctions on Russia over alleged election meddling.
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Artemenko left the interview with CNN to attend what he said was a meeting with the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, although the presidential administration denied such a meeting took place.
Yet moments after leaving the interview, Ukrainian prosecutors announced he would be investigated for "treason" over the deal.
In a text message to CNN, Cohen denied delivering any documents to Flynn, and refuted Artemenko's recollection of their January conversation.
- I'm curious how this hand delivered proposal came to light.Flynn did not respond to CNN's request for comment on this story.
- Another list.JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUAL³³º¹ @th3j35t3r 16m16 minutes ago
Russians connected w/ dossier, who since 'died' Erovinkin, Krivov, Karlov, Melanin, Chandelon, Polshikov, Churkin Not bad for 'fake news'
Apparently Sater was a FBI informant so he was my first guess.http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/trump-lawyer-ukraine-peace-deal/index.html
- I'm curious how this hand delivered proposal came to light.
- Aside from Trump and Cohen, who in the WH would have known about it besides Flynn? It could have been spoken of in inner circles, but the means of delivery itself?
oh man, that's a lot of guys from their embassies to die in such a short time span. no wonder Flynn was calling their ambassador to offer his condolences.SaintsInDome2006 said:Nov. 2015 - Lesin. - Russia Today director founder and advisor to Putin. Dead.
January 2017 - Malanin. - Senior consul, Greek embassy. Dead.
January 2017 - Kadakin. - Ambassador to India. - Dead.
February 2017 - Churkin. - Ambassador to UN. - Dead.
Totally forgot Karlov, ambassador to Turkey, in December 2016.oh man, that's a lot of guys from their embassies to die in such a short time span. no wonder Flynn was calling their ambassador to offer his condolences.
Russians dead since Steele Dossier: Erovinkin, Krivov, Karlov, Melanin, Chandelon, Polshikov, Churkin all connected to Dossier.Totally forgot Karlov, ambassador to Turkey, in December 2016.
Would have no connection to the Dossier or Trump but it's worth noting he had zero security protection when shot.
In Arkansas, Trump won 61-37 and Legalized Medical Pot won 53 to 47. That's a lot of overlap.Kind feel badly for the Trump voters who expected recreational weed to continue.
Wait, wut?Kind feel badly for the Trump voters who expected recreational weed to continue.
That certainly seems to bother him.Wait, wut?
If they move on the recreational weed expect his approval rating to plummet.
I don't understand how this isn't getting more coverage, specifically because Manafort confirmed that the leaked texts/note are indeed real. As I understand it, the argument against this being absolutely damning is that someone (doesn't have to be Leshchenko) is pretending to have dirt on Manafort (and Trump) in an attempt to make the mere act of blackmailing Manafort look suspicious. The idea would be to send the texts/note and then leak said texts/notes at a later date.fatness said:
That is crazy. That needs to be acted on immediately.I don't understand how this isn't getting more coverage, specifically because Manafort confirmed that the leaked texts/note are indeed real. As I understand it, the argument against this being absolutely damning is that someone (doesn't have to be Leshchenko) is pretending to have dirt on Manafort (and Trump) in an attempt to make the mere act of blackmailing Manafort look suspicious. The idea would be to send the texts/note and then leak said texts/notes at a later date.
It's a plausible scenario but much less likely in the face of the evidence that is piling up. Sure, as a single piece of evidence maybe you could dismiss it.. but now? No ####### way.
Also, in the article you can see the texts clearly but here is the note, which seems to be cut off in the article.
for posterity sake, the note claims ""One of such meeting with Donadl Trump took place on 06.17.2012 with close Yanukovich affiliate — governor of Cherkassy — Mr. S. Tulub"I don't understand how this isn't getting more coverage, specifically because Manafort confirmed that the leaked texts/note are indeed real. As I understand it, the argument against this being absolutely damning is that someone (doesn't have to be Leshchenko) is pretending to have dirt on Manafort (and Trump) in an attempt to make the mere act of blackmailing Manafort look suspicious. The idea would be to send the texts/note and then leak said texts/notes at a later date.
It's a plausible scenario but much less likely in the face of the evidence that is piling up. Sure, as a single piece of evidence maybe you could dismiss it.. but now? No ####### way.
Also, in the article you can see the texts clearly but here is the note, which seems to be cut off in the article.
There is a reference to NABU - that sounds like the Ukrainian federal corruption bureau:for posterity sake, the note claims ""One of such meeting with Donadl Trump took place on 06.17.2012 with close Yanukovich affiliate — governor of Cherkassy — Mr. S. Tulub"
Interestingly, this pre-dates the Russian invasion of Crimea.
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http://112.international/ukraine-top-news/nabu-questioned-akhmetov-on-onyshchenko-recordings-14333.htmlThe National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine "NABU" has interrogated businessman Rinat Akhmetov, who is the owner of System Capital Management company, on criminal case connected with the published recordings of MP Oleksandr Onyshchenko. This was reported by Ukrainian News referring to the source in NABU.
... According to the MP, the conversation was recorded using a pen with hidden device.
- It looks like another prong.Note: is this thread more about Trumps Ukranian ties than his Russian ties?
- That question seems important.But a White House official questioned the chronology supporting the claim, explaining that Trump had not worked with Manafort before the 2016 campaign.
- I don't think the Crimean invasion is the key date here, it's the disclosure of the Regions Party black books:for posterity sake, the note claims ""One of such meeting with Donadl Trump took place on 06.17.2012 with close Yanukovich affiliate — governor of Cherkassy — Mr. S. Tulub"
Interestingly, this pre-dates the Russian invasion of Crimea.
eta:The screenshots of hacked texts sent to Manafort’s daughter do not include any information indicating the date on which they were sent.
But Manafort said that the first of the texts arrived shortly before The New York Times published an August exposé revealing that the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine had obtained documents — which have since come under scrutiny — that appeared to show $12.7 million in cash payments earmarked for Manafort.
Manafort challenged the authenticity of the documents. And, while he said he could not be sure whether the texts apparently referencing them were in fact sent by Leshchenko, he said “I find it coincidental that I got these texts, and then he released these phony journals.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/paul-manafort-blackmailIn the Times story from last summer, Leshchenko says that he had received a partial copy of accounting records from an unnamed source that included line items totaling $66 million over a six-month period in 2012.
That may have something to do with the fact that the White House isn't actually allowed to contact the FBI on these matters.Well now, isn't this delightful...
CNN: FBI rejected White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Trump’s associates and Russians.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/fbi-refused-white-house-request-to-knock-down-recent-trump-russia-stories/index.html
so, connecting the dots, the implication here is that Trump was involved in Ukraine, either directly or indirectly, with Yanukovich. When Yanukovich was outed in Feb 2014, a bunch of Russian oligarch's deals went sour.- That question seems important.
- I don't think the Crimean invasion is the key date here, it's the disclosure of the Regions Party black books:
eta:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/paul-manafort-blackmail
The parliamentary elections were taking place over the course of 2012, the election was 10/28/12. So that would have been happening during that time period. It goes without saying that Ukraine is very much a pay to play environment.
Fortunately, we have an Attorney General who surely will act swiftly in sanctioning the administration for this.That may have something to do with the fact that the White House isn't actually allowed to contact the FBI on these matters.
The article made that clear (BTW can you imagine the Republican outrage if Obama or Clinton did this), but it also says they didn't want to comment on an ongoing investigation which implies they are looking at contacts :shrug;That may have something to do with the fact that the White House isn't actually allowed to contact the FBI on these matters.
Most of the world uses the date format DD.MM.YYYY Pretty much only Americans use MM.DD.YYYYI don't understand how this isn't getting more coverage, specifically because Manafort confirmed that the leaked texts/note are indeed real. As I understand it, the argument against this being absolutely damning is that someone (doesn't have to be Leshchenko) is pretending to have dirt on Manafort (and Trump) in an attempt to make the mere act of blackmailing Manafort look suspicious. The idea would be to send the texts/note and then leak said texts/notes at a later date.
It's a plausible scenario but much less likely in the face of the evidence that is piling up. Sure, as a single piece of evidence maybe you could dismiss it.. but now? No ####### way.
Also, in the article you can see the texts clearly but here is the note, which seems to be cut off in the article.
You don't have a wall with pictures and articles pinned up and connected by strings?Can someone point me to some kinda info graphic or timeline or something? I'm trying to read all these articles but between the Russian names and different companies and political acronyms and whatnot I'm kinda shuked.
I think @SaintsInDome2006 DoesYou don't have a wall with pictures and articles pinned up and connected by strings?
Anything interesting said?schindler speaking at CPAC in about 45 minutes, should be interesting
25% and rising in my opinion. But if he faces them, it'll be a death knell for the administration.What's the % chance Trump himself faces real consequences (impeachment hearings, indictment etc)? 10%? 50%?
IMO, flip a coin.What's the % chance Trump himself faces real consequences (impeachment hearings, indictment etc)? 10%? 50%?
>80%25% and rising in my opinion. But if he faces them, it'll be a death knell for the administration.
I think it hit 25% when Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails six months ago.25% and rising in my opinion. But if he faces them, it'll be a death knell for the administration.
An investigation is a long way from an impeachment.I think it hit 25% when Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails six months ago.