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I’m halfway through AD or it would maybe rank higher. Listen to the Smartless podcast with Arnett and Bateman - they have great chemistry.
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The Top 300 Greatest TV Shows of All Time: FBG Consensus: 50 Lists received. 2: Seinfeld 1: Breaking Bad (4 Viewers)
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Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I've never seen an episode so it didn't make my list. I'm sure I'll love it, but I hate narration for the most part. Top of the queue.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
I also didn't list the Leftovers after having only seen the 1st season. But I'm watching it now after this countdown remind me and season 2 is a barn burner. Great show.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Me too. It's well worth it.I've never seen an episode so it didn't make my list. I'm sure I'll love it, but I hate narration for the most part. Top of the queue.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
I also didn't list the Leftovers after having only seen the 1st season. But I'm watching it now after this countdown remind me and season 2 is a barn burner. Great show.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I thought that started really slow but by mid-season the intensity stepped up.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I've never seen an episode so it didn't make my list. I'm sure I'll love it, but I hate narration for the most part. Top of the queue.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
I also didn't list the Leftovers after having only seen the 1st season. But I'm watching it now after this countdown remind me and season 2 is a barn burner. Great show.
Nick Vermeil had gone too far, and had best watch his mouth
Yambag
Footballguy
Baby we got a stew going! Didn't submit a list, but would have been top 5 easily. I rewatch seasons 1-3 at least once a year. Amazing cast, nonstop jokes/gags and so clever. Happy to see it this high.
Todem
Footballguy
Season one was awesome.There have been some very uneven seasons for this show.26 - Stranger Things
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 822
Average Rank: 31.9
In 1980s Indiana, a group of young friends witness supernatural forces and secret government exploits. As they search for answers, the children unravel a series of extraordinary mysteries.
List Breakdown
Pip's Invitation 14
Runkle 14
steelerfan1 16
Tick 17
zamboni 21
Yo Mama 21
Atomic Punk 22
Psychopav 25
The Gator 25
Dr Octopus 26
Scoresman 26
Frostillicus 27
Nick Vermeil 38
Todem 39
shuke 46
John Madden's Lunchbox 48
Dan Lambskin 52
Gally 55
Chaos34 65
Hastur 66
First season was great, but the repetition and lack of an overall story arc makes it just seem like a cash cow at the moment.
Cohesion would help, but as this show is still live it could swing either way in my rankings.
At first the nostalgia was cute, but its become a parody of late.
Several of the actors have outgrown their characters age severely as well.
At its best, highly rated. Anyone think this finishes on a good note?
Season two stunk.
Season three was very solid.
Season four was outstanding.
Season 5 imo should wrap it all up nicely.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
i've never seen AD and i have no idea why
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Michael: "So this is the magic trick, huh?" G.O.B."Illusion, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money..." [sees children] "... or candy!"
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I have AD so low since its been a long time since I've seen it and I barely remember it but I do remember liking it so that's why it made my list.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
Son of a biscuit....25 - Fargo
Drama
Score: 848
Average Rank: 30.6
A drifter named Lorne Malvo arrives in small-town Minnesota and influences the population with his malice and violence, including put-upon insurance salesman Lester Nygaard.
List Breakdown
BlackCrowes 16
Runkle 18
Maik Jeaunz 19
Scoresman 21
Frostillicus 23
shuke 25
timschochet 25
Atomic Punk 28
McBokonon 35
kupcho1 37
Dr Octopus 40
Dan Lambskin 46
AAABatteries 50
Yo Mama 54
Nick Vermeil 54
landrys hat 59
KarmaPolice 67
Very pleasantly surprised by this ranking.
This was the show (out of the 4 that made my list) where I said Olyphant was part of an ensemble cast for one season of a show.
Two more still to come and I'm almost positive both will make it.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
another show never on my radar. will need to put this on the list now too.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
23 - Lost
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/HorrorScore: 882
Average Rank: 29
The survivors of a plane crash are forced to work together in order to survive on a seemingly deserted tropical island.
List Breakdown
Barry2 7timschochet 7John Madden's Lunchbox 13
Dan Lambskin 14
Pip's Invitation 15
shuke 16
Tick 19
Nick Vermeil 23
Maik Jeaunz 24
Scoresman 31
Yo Mama 31
Gally 33
Bottomfeeder Sports 35
Rand al Thor 37
AAABatteries 38
The Gator 40
landrys hat 42
Brutal Penquin 44
kupcho1 46
Instinctive 47
Frostillicus 47
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Same. Would probably have ranked if it ended after 3, but couldn't rank knowing I gave up on it at some point.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I don’t care what folks think of the final season- Lost was the greatest water cooler discussion TV show ever. The Easter eggs, the websites and phone numbers, the overall mystery sucked people in like few shows ever. Sure, they screwed up the end but those first 3-4 seasons were gold.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
The "Kate, we have to go back" season finale scene was one of the most jaw-dropping scenes in TV history. I think what made this show work was the regularly scheduled time slot and the mystery it built, as opposed to it being dumped all at once on a streaming service.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I am one of the few (I think few) that think they actually stuck the landing - at least on an emotional level.
For me it was always about the characters - and even poor old Ben Linus gets his atonement in the end.
Everyone talks about The Constant being one of the best episodes of anything ever - and they're not wrong.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
In hindsight I feel like I have Lost a little high, but maybe not
I didn’t watch S1 when it aired, ended up borrowing the DVD from my friend and I think we binged it in a couple days right before S2 started
I really can’t think of another show as captivating as Lost though, especially with all of the week to week speculation and searching for clues, theories, etc
Unfortunately it didn’t end great, but the initial journey was some of the most fun I’ve had with a series. Except for Paulo and Nikki…they were terrible
I didn’t watch S1 when it aired, ended up borrowing the DVD from my friend and I think we binged it in a couple days right before S2 started
I really can’t think of another show as captivating as Lost though, especially with all of the week to week speculation and searching for clues, theories, etc
Unfortunately it didn’t end great, but the initial journey was some of the most fun I’ve had with a series. Except for Paulo and Nikki…they were terrible
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure you'd like Fargo.
Not so sure about Lost - but I think you should like it even if you don't.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Incredibly funny, with lines that still get quoted constantly all these years later, and an absolutely stacked cast.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
One of the things I loved about it is, as time went on, we learned that Michael was almost as venal and dysfunctional as the rest of his family. He thought he was above it all, but in the end, he really wasn’t.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Like Star Trek, it was way ahead of its time and got cancelled in the middle of its third season.This one was a huge whiff and would be a little higher if I wasn't such a dunce. It would be in the top 15 for me as well. It was probably the only show I will miss now that I don't have NF. I will track it down and buy at least the first 3 seasons soon.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
So many amazing characters and lines.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Yes, they biffed the ending. I don’t care. It was the best thing on TV for its first two seasons (and the second half of the third season). I was absolutely obsessed with it and it was what prompted me to seek out TV discussion forums on the internet; before that I had mainly stuck to music and sports when surfing the web.23 - Lost
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 882
Average Rank: 29
The survivors of a plane crash are forced to work together in order to survive on a seemingly deserted tropical island.
List Breakdown
John Madden's Lunchbox 13
Dan Lambskin 14
Pip's Invitation 15
shuke 16
Tick 19
Nick Vermeil 23
Maik Jeaunz 24
Scoresman 31
Yo Mama 31
Gally 33
Bottomfeeder Sports 35
Rand al Thor 37
AAABatteries 38
The Gator 40
landrys hat 42
Brutal Penquin 44
kupcho1 46
Instinctive 47
Frostillicus 47
Seasons 4-6 had their moments even if the quality dipped a bit.
I was obsessed enough that I watched a whole bunch of successor series featuring various members of the Lost cast. Person of Interest was the best of those and I blew it by not putting it on my list.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I think AD and Lost would be up your alley. Fargo is another series that everyone I know likes but I haven’t gotten around to seeing yet.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It is, as is the S3 finale.
I agree that the ending worked on an emotional level but I think it could have been improved from a storytelling perspective.
Scoresman
Footballguy
If you guys like Lost style sci-fi mystery with a promise from the producers that they know how it will all end and questions will be answered, you owe it to yourself to check out From.
It did not make the list as only myself and one other list ranked it, but it is really good.
It did not make the list as only myself and one other list ranked it, but it is really good.
Chaos34
Footballguy
ETA. you got me.
I just sent him a text informing him I did not rank that show.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I don’t remember the episode - first one of s2 or s3 most likely but when it starts with Desmond’s morning routine and then the hatch opens was a - HOLY **** moment you don’t get often on TV.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Netflix season(s) were well below the FOX years.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I bailed on Lost about halfway through. I guess I was losing interest and constantly hearing that the ending sucked (I watched after the fact) so just stopped.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess you missed the Netflix seasons.Like Star Trek, it was way ahead of its time and got cancelled in the middle of its third season.This one was a huge whiff and would be a little higher if I wasn't such a dunce. It would be in the top 15 for me as well. It was probably the only show I will miss now that I don't have NF. I will track it down and buy at least the first 3 seasons soon.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
So many amazing characters and lines.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The good thing about Fargo is it's an anthology series (by season) so you don't need to watch all 6 seasons at once.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
yet 1 more I haven't watched.23 - Lost
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 882
Average Rank: 29
The survivors of a plane crash are forced to work together in order to survive on a seemingly deserted tropical island.
List Breakdown
John Madden's Lunchbox 13
Dan Lambskin 14
Pip's Invitation 15
shuke 16
Tick 19
Nick Vermeil 23
Maik Jeaunz 24
Scoresman 31
Yo Mama 31
Gally 33
Bottomfeeder Sports 35
Rand al Thor 37
AAABatteries 38
The Gator 40
landrys hat 42
Brutal Penquin 44
kupcho1 46
Instinctive 47
Frostillicus 47
Hastur
Footballguy
Fantastic show....until smoke started to seem to have a conscience. I bailed after that.23 - Lost
Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 882
Average Rank: 29
The survivors of a plane crash are forced to work together in order to survive on a seemingly deserted tropical island.
List Breakdown
John Madden's Lunchbox 13
Dan Lambskin 14
Pip's Invitation 15
shuke 16
Tick 19
Nick Vermeil 23
Maik Jeaunz 24
Scoresman 31
Yo Mama 31
Gally 33
Bottomfeeder Sports 35
Rand al Thor 37
AAABatteries 38
The Gator 40
landrys hat 42
Brutal Penquin 44
kupcho1 46
Instinctive 47
Frostillicus 47
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I did not. Their existence doesn’t change anything I said. FOX didn’t understand what it had.I guess you missed the Netflix seasons.Like Star Trek, it was way ahead of its time and got cancelled in the middle of its third season.This one was a huge whiff and would be a little higher if I wasn't such a dunce. It would be in the top 15 for me as well. It was probably the only show I will miss now that I don't have NF. I will track it down and buy at least the first 3 seasons soon.24 - Arrested Development
Comedy
Score: 859
Average Rank: 30.1
Level-headed son Michael Bluth takes over family affairs after his father is imprisoned. But the rest of his spoiled, dysfunctional family are making his job unbearable.
List Breakdown
Don Quixote 12
Bottomfeeder Sports 14
landrys hat 19
Pip's Invitation 20
Dan Lambskin 22
ilov80s 29
whoknew 31
Frostillicus 31
Maik Jeaunz 32
Sullie 33
Binky 37
AAABatteries 49
Dr Octopus 50
The Gator 53
Scoresman 57
Gally 62
BLOCKED PUNT 63
So many amazing characters and lines.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think serialized TV shows have a two built in problems.
First, there's always the threat of cancellation so the showrunners start with a collective one hand tied behind their back. There's no way of planning out a show where the season fit together perfectly for 3, 4, 5 etc. seasons because there's no way to know it'll last that long.
Second, it seems to me that the longer they go, the more the audience gets invested in how they WANT the story to proceed and/or end. When the story doesn't go the way they hoped, there's an increased dissatisfaction with it. Three of my favorite shows are Battlestar, Lost, and Westworld. All three have received the same criticism of "started great, ended lousy". And I just don't get it.
I think what is required is similar to the "suspension of disbelief" idea. Let the story tell what it wants to tell and don't worry so much if the t's and I's aren't crossed and dotted perfectly - it's just a story. Sometimes it's easier to suspend that disbelief/give leeway than it is others, no doubt.
First, there's always the threat of cancellation so the showrunners start with a collective one hand tied behind their back. There's no way of planning out a show where the season fit together perfectly for 3, 4, 5 etc. seasons because there's no way to know it'll last that long.
Second, it seems to me that the longer they go, the more the audience gets invested in how they WANT the story to proceed and/or end. When the story doesn't go the way they hoped, there's an increased dissatisfaction with it. Three of my favorite shows are Battlestar, Lost, and Westworld. All three have received the same criticism of "started great, ended lousy". And I just don't get it.
I think what is required is similar to the "suspension of disbelief" idea. Let the story tell what it wants to tell and don't worry so much if the t's and I's aren't crossed and dotted perfectly - it's just a story. Sometimes it's easier to suspend that disbelief/give leeway than it is others, no doubt.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Like True Detective, another one I need to get to (the first season, at least).
steelerfan1
Footballguy
That would have been me as the other voter. What did you think of this season Scores? I wasn't a huge fan compared to first 2.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I think I did like the first two better as well, but knowing they have a plan to wrap things up soon with an ending that is already planned has me hopeful.
I really like Harold Perrineau in it though. I really didn't like his character in Lost but love him in From.
Runkle
Footballguy
For a variety of reasons, some of which you mentioned, some economic, and some practical, among others, we're about to see a bit of a shift over the next few years away from serialized shows as streaming services are discovering additional value in "procedural" shows in which each hour's episode is a single story, without any overarching lore, more like "Law & Order" than the 'grander' big-scope, high-concept shows we've seen more frequently in the last decade.
simey
Footballguy
I liked season 1 and 2 of Fargo. Didn't finish season 3, but don't remember why. Didn't finish season 4, because I didn't like it. Haven't seen any of season 5.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Season 3's villain is good, but grotesque and hard to watch. And Ewan McGregor can't get the accent right. But the story ended up pretty good - who doesn't like Carrie Coon?
titusbramble
Footballguy
Could never get into Lost. Maybe because it aired around the same time as 24, and more happened in ten minutes of 24 than a whole series of Lost. Boring quickly.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Meh, not sure how I feel about this. Outside of sitcoms, the shift to serialized shows really corresponds to the increase in quality you see on cable streaming options compared to network TV over the years. Sounds like it's cheaper to make procedural rehashed stuff like a bazillion Law & Order spinoffs. Then watch the quality of TV overall fall tremendously.
A good middle ground would be anthology series. Keep seasons contained, but you dont need the years long commitments.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Six months ago I'd have had Arrested Development in the top 30.
But then I sat down to do a rewatch and just found it tiresome and over the top. Still some good moments and so many awesome lines and memes, but rewatchability was nonexistent for me and the narration was grinding this time around.
So I ended up leaving it off when this came around.
But then I sat down to do a rewatch and just found it tiresome and over the top. Still some good moments and so many awesome lines and memes, but rewatchability was nonexistent for me and the narration was grinding this time around.
So I ended up leaving it off when this came around.
Scoresman
Footballguy
22 - Ozark
DramaScore: 884
Average Rank: 28.9
A financial advisor drags his family from Chicago to the Missouri Ozarks, where he must launder money to appease a drug boss.
List Breakdown
steelerfan1 2Gally 4Todem 7zamboni 8Runkle 11
simey 15
BlackCrowes 19
shuke 26
timschochet 27
Brutal Penquin 28
Atomic Punk 30
kupcho1 31
Jayrod 31
Dr Octopus 32
Frostillicus 32
Yo Mama 37
Maik Jeaunz 37
AAABatteries 46
Instinctive 58
Scoresman 61
McBokonon 65
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
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