The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)

[Jrodicus]

I didn't say he could continue at his YPC last season and have success. I just said he has to be good enough to hold onto the starting job (which he wasn't las year).

Somehow there is this perception that an RB is worthless unless he averages > 4.0 YPCand he won't get many touches. According to the data, over the past 4 seasons, roughly 30% of the RBs with more than 200 carries in a given year have done so with a sub 4.0 YPC.

Again, kudos for bringing some data to the discussion, but it really doesn't help your case at all. A 30% chance at 200 carries isn't good to begin with, and zero RBs who reached 200 carries had a ypc as low Richardson.I think you're the only one who brought up the magic 4.0 number, but what you basically said is if Richardson plays much better than he did last year, he can be relevant in fantasy. Nothing earth shattering there.

Actually, you left the original comment out where someone brought up a bogey of 3.5 YPC and inferring it is bad:mr roboto, on 29 Aug 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

Why would he get 'volume' if his ypc is terrible? That seems like a weird combination.

'Yeah, he'll average 3.5 but with 400 touches he will be a great flex!'

It's a bit ironic since we've already seen TRich have a season with 3.6 YPC where he put up RB1 numbers.

He doesn't need a great YPC; it can be as mediocre as it was his rookie year and he can still be valuable, as long as he holds on to the starting job.

Huh? That's not a bogey, it's just a random number he threw out there as an example (which is a bad ypc)- do you think the number of touches he picked is also a bogey? Even if you want to pretend it was, it's obviously different from the higher bogey you picked of 4.Back to reality- clearly the numbers you presented show that if he has a sub 4 ypc, it's more likely than not that he doesn't reach 200 carries (not that 200 carries is great for ff, especially if you have a crappy ypc).

No one said he can't be valuable if he has a mid 3's ypc, but he probably wouldn't be.

We've already seen TRich have a mid-3 YPC season. Was he valuable?

 

[Todem]

Got him in the 7th last night.

Soooo.... what did I just sign up for?

Pain.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I just noticed that vegas has a prop on TRich, the only one I've seen of its kind, an O/U on 3.5 YPC. The line on over is -130, it's EVEN on the under. Interesting.

 

[gump]

8th round, 31st RB in my 10-team standard (to me).

 

[pollardsvision]

Never been high in Richardson at all (got called stupid in this very thread about a half a dozen times right after that trade), but I dropped $26 on him in my most important league (Chris Johnson and Ray Rice were other guys I'd considered and they went for $34 each). .

Fairly deep keeper league, so prices are inflated, and auction day is mostly just for buying really old guys, guys that disappointed the year before, and rookies.

I don't like him, but as 3rd/4th RB, I like the gamble. Good chance of being usable as long as he holds on to the job (no guarantee if Bradshaw stays healthy), and I like the upside if he bounces back even if it's a rather small chance.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Well hes my RB2 until Rice is back so here's hoping we can at least salvage some PPR 4-30 and 30 rushing yards

 

[JFS171]

Zurlon Tipton or Boom Herron for the Trent haters? Was surprised Tipton made the roster, though I saw a PFF stat that he was among league leaders in preseason for forced missed tackles.

 

[pizzatyme]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

 

[georg013]

Not a Colts fan here. I've opted to avoid the Colts backfield altogether because the answer isn't there (unless it's TRich).

 

[Reegus]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

No one cares if you are a colts fan. Why do people always say this?

 

[Plorfu]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

Why do people always say this?

There's a chance they've followed this team more closely than others, and likely aren't just looking at this from fantasy owner-colored glasses.

Now, if you're the kind of guy who watches all the games 10 times, "breaks down tape" and keeps combine/pro-day numbers on a spreadsheet, then you can just go ahead and ignore it.

 

[Griffindor]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

No one cares if you are a colts fan. Why do people always say this?

Brainstorm for a second and see if you can come up with a couple reasons.

 

[Reegus]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

No one cares if you are a colts fan. Why do people always say this?

Brainstorm for a second and see if you can come up with a couple reasons.

I'm a Texans fan and I have zero insider information

 

[Hankmoody]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

Why do people always say this?

There's a chance they've followed this team more closely than others, and likely aren't just looking at this from fantasy owner-colored glasses.

Now, if you're the kind of guy who watches all the games 10 times, "breaks down tape" and keeps combine/pro-day numbers on a spreadsheet, then you can just go ahead and ignore it.

You're suggesting a homer fan is more subjective than a fantasy owner?

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

Why do people always say this?

There's a chance they've followed this team more closely than others, and likely aren't just looking at this from fantasy owner-colored glasses.Now, if you're the kind of guy who watches all the games 10 times, "breaks down tape" and keeps combine/pro-day numbers on a spreadsheet, then you can just go ahead and ignore it.

You're suggesting a homer fan is more subjective than a fantasy owner?

I would say so. Homers want their team to win, and want the players playing that give their team the best chance to do so.

They also usually watch the local news and beat reports, and get tidbits here and there regarding the pulse of the team.

 

[th3f00l]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own. Those who pass on him, congratulations. I'm sure everyone has a guy on their roster they know they are taking a risk on, and who will be first cut for the waiver wire gem of week. If you have a stud QB or TE, you can afford to take the risk on a boom or bust player in lieu of a back up that you will only be starting one week.

As far as my take on his possible value, I just point to him being on his second team in his third year in the NFL. A receiver who has underperformed one year in the NFL would be considered poised for a breakout year, to those that subscribe to the 3rd year breakout theory. The coaching staff blamed themselves for Richardson's performance last year, in not getting him adapted to the system. We have seen him do well in one year and bad in another. If they get him involved in the passing game he has big PPR upside. He is the goal line back. He is a down hill runner behind a line that won't be plowing a lane for him. My emotion if he does well will be ecstatic, but it won't bother me a bit if he looks like a catfish flopping around in a beer cooler. I'll toss him back or use him as bait. maybe I'm just

I can't wait till football starts.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own.

yeah, you're gonna trade him to one of those teams that let him drop down into the 9th for you to fish out of the dumpster.

I don't know whta kind of league you play in, but I think he'd have to slide a long way past 9th round before 560/3 has value.

 

[shader]

Trent honestly has fallen to the point in my leagues where he has zero value. I should go out and get him now, but I honestly have no desire to do that.

 

[th3f00l]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own.

yeah, you're gonna trade him to one of those teams that let him drop down into the 9th for you to fish out of the dumpster.

I don't know whta kind of league you play in, but I think he'd have to slide a long way past 9th round before 560/3 has value.

560/3 in one game. Geez, and I thought you were down on him.

Very low floor on the guy, but he can get all the touches with only Bradshaw to contest. This pick epitomizes the high risk/reward player. He is the lead back in a high powered offense that could be holding on to some fourth quarter leads. Sage fantasy advice on passing on the RB1 on a good team in the 9th round.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own.

yeah, you're gonna trade him to one of those teams that let him drop down into the 9th for you to fish out of the dumpster.

I don't know whta kind of league you play in, but I think he'd have to slide a long way past 9th round before 560/3 has value.

560/3 in one game. Geez, and I thought you were down on him.

Very low floor on the guy, but he can get all the touches with only Bradshaw to contest. This pick epitomizes the high risk/reward player. He is the lead back in a high powered offense that could be holding on to some fourth quarter leads. Sage fantasy advice on passing on the RB1 on a good team in the 9th round.

he wasn't the lead back on a high powered offense last year when he put up 560/3?

 

[th3f00l]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own.

yeah, you're gonna trade him to one of those teams that let him drop down into the 9th for you to fish out of the dumpster.

I don't know whta kind of league you play in, but I think he'd have to slide a long way past 9th round before 560/3 has value.

560/3 in one game. Geez, and I thought you were down on him.

Very low floor on the guy, but he can get all the touches with only Bradshaw to contest. This pick epitomizes the high risk/reward player. He is the lead back in a high powered offense that could be holding on to some fourth quarter leads. Sage fantasy advice on passing on the RB1 on a good team in the 9th round.

he wasn't the lead back on a high powered offense last year when he put up 560/3?

With no offseason or time to study the playbook? Converting to a different system after only just learning his first NFL system? He is in a position to bounce back after being coached to play in the system, and improve as a player. The coaching staff has also had more time to game-plan ways to play to his strengths (tough running, and receiving threat). This is a make or break year for his whole carrier, and his situation is favorable. The physical talents are there. Knowing that it is all on the line he should be barreling into those tiny holes the meager O-line can create instead of hesitating.

I'm not submitting that TRich is fantasy gold, or comeback player of the year etc. This is just the argument I make for the possibility. Plenty of backs have performed poorly in their first year with a new team, or second year in the NFL, and still bounced back. Some backs take years to even earn a starting spot. As a late round bye week fill in with starter potential you can do a lot worse. It's these type of risks that can make your season, with little risk of breaking it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own.

yeah, you're gonna trade him to one of those teams that let him drop down into the 9th for you to fish out of the dumpster.

I don't know whta kind of league you play in, but I think he'd have to slide a long way past 9th round before 560/3 has value.

560/3 in one game. Geez, and I thought you were down on him.

Very low floor on the guy, but he can get all the touches with only Bradshaw to contest. This pick epitomizes the high risk/reward player. He is the lead back in a high powered offense that could be holding on to some fourth quarter leads. Sage fantasy advice on passing on the RB1 on a good team in the 9th round.

he wasn't the lead back on a high powered offense last year when he put up 560/3?

With no offseason or time to study the playbook?

he had 4 months to study the playbook before the playoffs

in those 2 games he had a combined 4 carries for 1 yd

 

[th3f00l]

I got him at 09.02 as my RB4. I was avoiding him but when he slipped that far down I had to bite. Feels like a scratch off ticket, but worse case scenario I drop him to grab Bye week TE for Cameron by week 4. Honestly the volatile take on him has let him slip down so far that he actually has value. The people who drafted him have the opportunity to have a starter on their bench to trade to a team with RB issues, or solve their own.

yeah, you're gonna trade him to one of those teams that let him drop down into the 9th for you to fish out of the dumpster.

I don't know whta kind of league you play in, but I think he'd have to slide a long way past 9th round before 560/3 has value.

560/3 in one game. Geez, and I thought you were down on him.

Very low floor on the guy, but he can get all the touches with only Bradshaw to contest. This pick epitomizes the high risk/reward player. He is the lead back in a high powered offense that could be holding on to some fourth quarter leads. Sage fantasy advice on passing on the RB1 on a good team in the 9th round.

he wasn't the lead back on a high powered offense last year when he put up 560/3?

With no offseason or time to study the playbook?

he had 4 months to study the playbook before the playoffs

in those 2 games he had a combined 4 carries for 1 yd

Donald Brown had 10 touches for 55 in the same. The Run was their biggest weakness, hence bringing Richardson on board in the first place. The playoffs is not where you abandon what got you there, or hand off to the guy that struggled all season. A lot of time has been invested in fixing the run game in Indy, and it's worth a low end draft spot to see how it pans out.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Yeah, we agree - that's why i took bradshaw

 

[pizzatyme]

Not a Colts fan here. I've opted to avoid the Colts backfield altogether because the answer isn't there (unless it's TRich).

How in the hell do you know this? Bradshaw was good last season and Herron has been great so far this year. It's funny to me when people act all-knowing about situations they really know nothing about.

Edited for spelling error.

 

[georg013]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

Why do people always say this?

There's a chance they've followed this team more closely than others, and likely aren't just looking at this from fantasy owner-colored glasses.Now, if you're the kind of guy who watches all the games 10 times, "breaks down tape" and keeps combine/pro-day numbers on a spreadsheet, then you can just go ahead and ignore it.

You're suggesting a homer fan is more subjective than a fantasy owner?

I would say so. Homers want their team to win, and want the players playing that give their team the best chance to do so.

They also usually watch the local news and beat reports, and get tidbits here and there regarding the pulse of the team.

Lots of assumptions being made here.

 

[pizzatyme]

Colts fan here. I can tell you I've loaded up on Bradshaw and Herron in most leagues this year.

No one cares if you are a colts fan. Why do people always say this?

That's weird. I care who are fans of their particular teams. If I can gather tidbits of information, I'm happy to do so. I can choose to do what I want if someone is willing to share. Thanks for your input.

 

[georg013]

Not a Colts fan here. I've opted to avoid the Colts backfield altogether because the answer isn't there (unless it's TRich).

How in the hell do you know this? Bradshaw was good last season and Herron has been great so far this year. It's funny to me when people act all-knowing about situations they really know nothing about.

Edited for spelling error.

Funny post.

 

[pizzatyme]

Not a Colts fan here. I've opted to avoid the Colts backfield altogether because the answer isn't there (unless it's TRich).

How in the hell do you know this? Bradshaw was good last season and Herron has been great so far this year. It's funny to me when people act all-knowing about situations they really know nothing about.

Edited for spelling error.

Funny post.

So far, you're failing as a troll. Adios!

 

[georg013]

News Flash: I am now a Colts fan and therefore can be trusted, without reservation, to have watched every game, local news station, and listened to every radio interview involving the Colts. I also have season tickets in the skybox. Now, with that having been said (now that my opinion carries more weight *cough cough*, if it ain't Trent, it ain't happening this year. Better? Ha! Bradshaw is nothing more than a fragile game of pick up sticks. Go ahead and drink that Koolaid if you want to. The other guys are a JOKE. Take that to the damn bank.

"BACK OFF ME ALRIGHT!"

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

News Flash: I am now a Colts fan and therefore can be trusted, without reservation, to have watched every game, local news station, and listened to every radio interview involving the Colts. I also have season tickets in the skybox. Now, with that having been said (now that my opinion carries more weight *cough cough*, if it ain't Trent, it ain't happening this year. Better? Ha! Bradshaw is nothing more than a fragile game of pick up sticks. Go ahead and drink that Koolaid if you want to. The other guys are a JOKE. Take that to the damn bank.

I believe that fragile game of pick up sticks played about 90 games over 6 seasons with the giants, counting his rookie year when he came in as the 250th player drafted.

news flash

 

[Reegus]

News Flash: I am now a Colts fan and therefore can be trusted, without reservation, to have watched every game, local news station, and listened to every radio interview involving the Colts. I also have season tickets in the skybox. Now, with that having been said (now that my opinion carries more weight *cough cough*, if it ain't Trent, it ain't happening this year. Better? Ha! Bradshaw is nothing more than a fragile game of pick up sticks. Go ahead and drink that Koolaid if you want to. The other guys are a JOKE. Take that to the damn bank.

I believe that fragile game of pick up sticks played about 90 games over 6 seasons with the giants, counting his rookie year when he came in as the 250th player drafted.

news flash

News flash. He is now older, has tape keeping his feet together, and has a piece of metal attached to his neck. That screams health to me.

 

[Jrodicus]

News Flash: I am now a Colts fan and therefore can be trusted, without reservation, to have watched every game, local news station, and listened to every radio interview involving the Colts. I also have season tickets in the skybox. Now, with that having been said (now that my opinion carries more weight *cough cough*, if it ain't Trent, it ain't happening this year. Better? Ha! Bradshaw is nothing more than a fragile game of pick up sticks. Go ahead and drink that Koolaid if you want to. The other guys are a JOKE. Take that to the damn bank.

I believe that fragile game of pick up sticks played about 90 games over 6 seasons with the giants, counting his rookie year when he came in as the 250th player drafted.

news flash

84, but who's counting.

He's also played in only 29 games the past 3 season.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

News Flash: I am now a Colts fan and therefore can be trusted, without reservation, to have watched every game, local news station, and listened to every radio interview involving the Colts. I also have season tickets in the skybox. Now, with that having been said (now that my opinion carries more weight *cough cough*, if it ain't Trent, it ain't happening this year. Better? Ha! Bradshaw is nothing more than a fragile game of pick up sticks. Go ahead and drink that Koolaid if you want to. The other guys are a JOKE. Take that to the damn bank.

I believe that fragile game of pick up sticks played about 90 games over 6 seasons with the giants, counting his rookie year when he came in as the 250th player drafted.

news flash

84, but who's counting.

He's also played in only 29 games the past 3 season.

apparently, not you

 

[cstu]

I know one thing - I can't wait for Sunday.

 

[Jrodicus]

I know one thing - I can't wait for Sunday.

Me too - I'm going to the game.

 

[Grahamburn]

This guy soooooo needs a new thread when the season starts. Fresh start!

 

[mr roboto]

Will TRich have a higher ppg (points per game) or ppg (pages per game) this season?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This guy soooooo needs a new thread when the season starts. Fresh start!

another 16 games and we'll have a thread about trent richardson the broadcaster

 

[msommer]

Will TRich have a higher ppg (points per game) or ppg (pages per game) this season?

Initially the latter. Then the levels will meet at zero

 

[Dismattle]

Will TRich have a higher ppg (points per game) or ppg (pages per game) this season?

Im gonna go out on a limb, and say higher ppg.

 

[False Start]

Not a Colts fan here. I've opted to avoid the Colts backfield altogether because the answer isn't there (unless it's TRich).

How in the hell do you know this? Bradshaw was good last season and Herron has been great so far this year. It's funny to me when people act all-knowing about situations they really know nothing about.

Edited for spelling error.

Funny post.

Ironic huh.

I especially like the part where he says "Herron has been great this year."

Note: This year means in the preseason against 3rd stringers and cut guys.

 

[georg013]

Not a Colts fan here. I've opted to avoid the Colts backfield altogether because the answer isn't there (unless it's TRich).

How in the hell do you know this? Bradshaw was good last season and Herron has been great so far this year. It's funny to me when people act all-knowing about situations they really know nothing about.

Edited for spelling error.

Funny post.

Ironic huh.

I especially like the part where he says "Herron has been great this year."

Note: This year means in the preseason against 3rd stringers and cut guys.

Right?! LMAO. The "all knowing one" has spoken so it must be true. (plus he's a Colts fan so it REALLY REALLY must be true)

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Colts OC Pep Hamilton expects "to be able to run the football."

giddy-up!!

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Colts OC Pep Hamilton expects "to be able to run the football."

But with who?

 

[adam220891]

It is infuriating to me that I cannot get the guy with Bradshaw to trade with me. Just want to protect my bad investment in T-Rich

 

[GreenNGold]

It is infuriating to me that I cannot get the guy with Bradshaw to trade with me. Just want to protect my bad investment in T-Rich

Why would he want Bradshaw's backup?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It is infuriating to me that I cannot get the guy with Bradshaw to trade with me. Just want to protect my bad investment in T-Rich

Well that ought to tell you something.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Colts OC Pep Hamilton expects "to be able to run the football."

giddy-up!!

Not going to lie, I laughed pretty hard when I saw this blurb on rotoworld. I don't think I've ever seen a coach need to reassure everyone that his running back "can run the football". Oof.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It occurs to me that the critics in this thread would love to be wrong about Richardson. Can you imagine if there was a real hope that he was going to turn it around, before the general FF ownership realized it? People would be jumping all over that trying to trade for Richardson before the light went on - and that would be easy.