The Trent Richardson Thread (4 Viewers)

[FF Ninja]

INSIDE INFO ON 'BAMA BACKS.......they need elite offenses

Lacy ended up in an elite offense, or else he'd suffer the same fate as other overrated 'Bama backs.

Imagine Lacy with the Browns...loooool. That fat #### wouldn't break 900 yards there.

Ingram or Richardson in the Packers offense? = Lacy at minimum

Ingram hasn't been in an elite offense?

I don't think Ingram was ever really given a chance in that offense. He was one of the most predictably used RBs in the past few years (along with Mathews). If he was in the game, there was like a 67% chance they were going to run. And most of the time it was already in obvious running situations so he saw a stacked box. But I think most of his detractors had to eat a little crow last year. He clearly looked legit when given the opportunity. Dude can't stay healthy, though.

FWIW, I've never been an Ingram bandwagoner. Just a value seeker. I do think he'd put up similar stats to Lacy in GB's offense, but Lacy has been more durable than Ingram. I'll be shocked if Ingram ever hits 300 touches.

I can't even fathom a guess as to why Trent has busted. Bell, Forte, Tomlinson... he wasn't alone in starting his career below 4 ypc. Hell, Forte's second year was even worse than his first. But man, Trent never got going. The curious case of Trent Richardson.

 

[Shutout]

I guess the prophecy is complete. Where is that other thread where all those people talked about how he + Norv in Cleveland made him the 2nd coming and all those "I wouldn't take Adrian Peterson for the 1.01 right now" stuff?

There's as much to learn from colossal busts as their are major finds.

 

[stbugs]

Someone needs to explain to me what happened to all the picks from 2-7 in the 2012 draft.

RG3

TRich

Kalil

Blackmon

Claiborne

Barron

No idea, but very happy they were picked there and we got Kuechly at 9.

 

[stbugs]

INSIDE INFO ON 'BAMA BACKS.......they need elite offenses

Lacy ended up in an elite offense, or else he'd suffer the same fate as other overrated 'Bama backs.

Imagine Lacy with the Browns...loooool. That fat #### wouldn't break 900 yards there.

Ingram or Richardson in the Packers offense? = Lacy at minimum

Haha, no.

I think Ingram would be fine. He looked really good last year. Took him a little longer, but Ingram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richardson.

Also, why the Packers? Isn't Luck a good enough QB for Richardson. Lacy in Indy would be great, as would Ingram.

 

[Ilov80s]

Someone needs to explain to me what happened to all the picks from 2-7 in the 2012 draft.

RG3

TRich

Kalil

Blackmon

Claiborne

Barron

No idea, but very happy they were picked there and we got Kuechly at 9.

Kalil can't get healthy, he did make a Pro Bowl though. RG3's injury has to be at least somewhat to blame for his collapse. Blackmon is an alcoholic. Too bad, he was a good player.

 

[Ilov80s]

INSIDE INFO ON 'BAMA BACKS.......they need elite offenses

Lacy ended up in an elite offense, or else he'd suffer the same fate as other overrated 'Bama backs.

Imagine Lacy with the Browns...loooool. That fat #### wouldn't break 900 yards there.

Ingram or Richardson in the Packers offense? = Lacy at minimum

Haha, no.

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

INSIDE INFO ON 'BAMA BACKS.......they need elite offenses

Lacy ended up in an elite offense, or else he'd suffer the same fate as other overrated 'Bama backs.

Imagine Lacy with the Browns...loooool. That fat #### wouldn't break 900 yards there.

Ingram or Richardson in the Packers offense? = Lacy at minimum

Ingram hasn't been in an elite offense?

I don't think Ingram was ever really given a chance in that offense. He was one of the most predictably used RBs in the past few years (along with Mathews). If he was in the game, there was like a 67% chance they were going to run. And most of the time it was already in obvious running situations so he saw a stacked box. But I think most of his detractors had to eat a little crow last year. He clearly looked legit when given the opportunity. Dude can't stay healthy, though.

FWIW, I've never been an Ingram bandwagoner. Just a value seeker. I do think he'd put up similar stats to Lacy in GB's offense, but Lacy has been more durable than Ingram. I'll be shocked if Ingram ever hits 300 touches.

I can't even fathom a guess as to why Trent has busted. Bell, Forte, Tomlinson... he wasn't alone in starting his career below 4 ypc. Hell, Forte's second year was even worse than his first. But man, Trent never got going. The curious case of Trent Richardson.

I agree with all of this - but the post I responded to was a little odd in it's presentation imo. I think Ingram is every bit the talent that Lacy is and it's been his (lack of) usage and game day usage (like you say) that has limited his production. Acting like he's been a bust is misguided.

ETA: Not to mention Trent Richardson himself, was also in an elite offense playing with the Colts. All of the other RBs playing with him did fine there, so not sure going to GB would have helped.

 

[JohnnyU]

INSIDE INFO ON 'BAMA BACKS.......they need elite offenses

Lacy ended up in an elite offense, or else he'd suffer the same fate as other overrated 'Bama backs.

Imagine Lacy with the Browns...loooool. That fat #### wouldn't break 900 yards there.

Ingram or Richardson in the Packers offense? = Lacy at minimum

Exqueeze me but the last time I checked the Colts had an elite offense.

 

[cstu]

I can't even fathom a guess as to why Trent has busted.

You can't measure heart.

 

[cstu]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

He's done, folks. He's 25 and has made $20M. Even if he kept half of that after taxes/management that's $10M - enough to live on the interest the rest of his life.

 

[Bronco Billy]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

He's done, folks. He's 25 and has made $20M. Even if he kept half of that after taxes/management that's $10M - enough to live on the interest the rest of his life.

So you're saying he won't be a broke bum out panhandling in a couple of years?

 

[Wonderllama]

My biggest T-Rich regret was not trading him as soon as he was traded to Indy. It was an exciting time. Everyone thought he was going to be so much better. The hype was so high it affected me too.

 

[cstu]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

Exactly. Talent-wise, he was better than Ingram. The difference is that Ingram worked his ### off and you saw that on the field last year. Richardson has no desire to play football and it shows.

 

[beef]

TALENT PREVAILS!!!

 

[JohnnyU]

No vision and for some reason now, no burst. At Alabama he didn't need vision because the holes were so large.

 

[Shutout]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

Exactly. Talent-wise, he was better than Ingram. The difference is that Ingram worked his ### off and you saw that on the field last year. Richardson has no desire to play football and it shows.

Exactly right and I agree with you all. It really is as simple as that but one thing we should take away from all this is that old saying that the cream rises to the top. Sometimes it doesn't. TRICH had/has obvious ability but if a player doesn't have that drive, they just don't.

Good point above about the regret of not selling when he went to Indy. As excited as a lot of people were at that moment, I think any savvy ff vet could have said even then that they knew his value would never be higher and that's a huge aspect of ff. Sell high. Buy low.

 

[habsfan]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

Exactly. Talent-wise, he was better than Ingram. The difference is that Ingram worked his ### off and you saw that on the field last year. Richardson has no desire to play football and it shows.

Good point above about the regret of not selling when he went to Indy. As excited as a lot of people were at that moment, I think any savvy ff vet could have said even then that they knew his value would never be higher and that's a huge aspect of ff. Sell high. Buy low.

I seem to recall a lot of people thought they'd just won the lottery. Had to be a handful of savvy vets among them...

 

[Ilov80s]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

Exactly. Talent-wise, he was better than Ingram. The difference is that Ingram worked his ### off and you saw that on the field last year. Richardson has no desire to play football and it shows.

Good point above about the regret of not selling when he went to Indy. As excited as a lot of people were at that moment, I think any savvy ff vet could have said even then that they knew his value would never be higher and that's a huge aspect of ff. Sell high. Buy low.

I seem to recall a lot of people thought they'd just won the lottery. Had to be a handful of savvy vets among them...

It seemed that way, but it should definitely have given people more pause as to why the Browns were so quick to dump him. That kind of trade just does not happen in the NFL on a few levels. It is incredibly rare for a first round pick, yet alone the 3rd overall pick to be traded after 1 year. Especially when that 1 year was relatively successful. It is even more odd for the trade to happen after the regular season has already started. There were a lot of signs that pointed to something being off.

 

[Shutout]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

Exactly. Talent-wise, he was better than Ingram. The difference is that Ingram worked his ### off and you saw that on the field last year. Richardson has no desire to play football and it shows.

Good point above about the regret of not selling when he went to Indy. As excited as a lot of people were at that moment, I think any savvy ff vet could have said even then that they knew his value would never be higher and that's a huge aspect of ff. Sell high. Buy low.

I seem to recall a lot of people thought they'd just won the lottery. Had to be a handful of savvy vets among them...

It seemed that way, but it should definitely have given people more pause as to why the Browns were so quick to dump him. That kind of trade just does not happen in the NFL on a few levels. It is incredibly rare for a first round pick, yet alone the 3rd overall pick to be traded after 1 year. Especially when that 1 year was relatively successful. It is even more odd for the trade to happen after the regular season has already started. There were a lot of signs that pointed to something being off.

That was actually discussed a lot in the early part of this thread. Lot of lines drawn with "I won the lottery, it's on now" and "Maybe there's a reason the Browns got rid of him".

Either way, its ok to plant your foot in the ground on whichever side you like, but even if you thought "Ok, here we go. NOW he's back to a top 5-10 RB", my point is you KNEW right then that you would never get more for him than on that day and probably should have sold. If you have Andrew Luck or Gronk or a particular awesome WR, its ok to turn down dynasty offers for players that are young and you simply are going to build and succeed around. But you don't do it on a RB...never. THe careers are too short.

When a RB has that much value, you ALWAYS sell because I guarantee you it will go south before you think. Less than 2 years ago, people could have sold the #1 consensus RB Shady McCoy for an absolute mint and here we are 20 months later and he's almost an afterthought.

 

[Todem]

Different sport entirely, obviously, but it seems like he has the same issue as some race car drivers that constantly find themselves in the middle of a wreck; a lack of ability to see far enough ahead to avoid contact. Don't know if it's a lack of peripheral vision, or just looking at what's 3 feet in front of him rather than what's 20 feet in front of him. Maybe a specialist can help him, I don't know. Shame that the talent he displayed in college seems to have vanished.

I don't even think vision is the big problem. He is just sluggish and unexplosive. No burst. He can't beat a man 1v1 and isn't fast anymore. Watching the game last night, they put him in position to make plays on a few different occasions and he just couldn't deliver. Couldn't break the first tackle ever. It was sad to see, but not shocking given the way the last few years have gone for him.

I'll never understand why he flopped so hard, but I don't attribute his draft slot to the Bama OL. If you think that NFL front offices are remotely competent, you have to assume that they have a pretty good ability to separate a player's ability from his situation. Hence why even when they get fooled by a Montee Ball or Terrance Williams, they still don't invest a top 5 pick in him. I think if you had polled most Bama fans ~2011, all of them would've said Richardson was better than Lacy or Ingram. I felt he was much better at the time. He was picked significantly higher than those two. For whatever reason, it didn't materialize. He showed flashes as a rookie, but since then it's basically been a steady downward spiral.

Is that down to vision? Like I said, I don't think so. These days he looks heavy and sluggish, like he's running in mud. How many 20+ yard runs does he have in his NFL career? Maybe 4-5, on 614 carries. Doug Martin has probably had individual games with more than that, and he's had an inconsistent career. When Trent hits the gas pedal, nothing happens. It's jarring watching him run and then flipping over to someone with some real juice. The difference is very clear these days.

This is a great post man.

I am baffled what happened. I have personally had some great success handicapping RB's in FF for over 25 years now. This is the biggest whiff I ever had along with DeShaun Foster (remember that name?). His talent and game coming out of Bama was incredible. He had all the measurable's you wanted from a fast powerful, three down back.

I think what really happened is something inside of him died. He lost his love for the game. He does not care. It's obvious. He was collecting a paycheck. He checked out.

No other explanation. Because his physical measurable's were elite coming into the draft. But what you can't measure is someones heart & desire. You can only measure that in practice....which he missed quite a lot of. The practice field shows the players energy and effort and tells you a lot about what is inside that the combine can't measure.

 

[mr roboto]

No vision and for some reason now, no burst. At Alabama he didn't need vision because the holes were so large.

At Alabama the holes were huge and where they were supposed to be. He completely lacks the cutback ability crucial to an NFL RB. He runs straight to the spot that was designed to have a lane.

 

[humpback]

Confirmation bias can be very painful in fantasy. Virtually no one predicted how big of a bust Richardson has become, but there were plenty of signs very early on that he wasn't nearly as good as advertised. His rookie season was not good, but many people excused it or even argued it was good because he put up points for fantasy. Then when he was traded to Indy and played terribly, we heard every excuse in the book instead of just taking it for what it was- he flat out stunk. If you can put emotions aside and admit that earlier than most, you'll be able to minimize your losses when you are wrong about a prospect, which happens to all of us more often than we'd like to admit.

 

[cliffhuxtible]

Different sport entirely, obviously, but it seems like he has the same issue as some race car drivers that constantly find themselves in the middle of a wreck; a lack of ability to see far enough ahead to avoid contact. Don't know if it's a lack of peripheral vision, or just looking at what's 3 feet in front of him rather than what's 20 feet in front of him. Maybe a specialist can help him, I don't know. Shame that the talent he displayed in college seems to have vanished.

I don't even think vision is the big problem. He is just sluggish and unexplosive. No burst. He can't beat a man 1v1 and isn't fast anymore. Watching the game last night, they put him in position to make plays on a few different occasions and he just couldn't deliver. Couldn't break the first tackle ever. It was sad to see, but not shocking given the way the last few years have gone for him.

I'll never understand why he flopped so hard, but I don't attribute his draft slot to the Bama OL. If you think that NFL front offices are remotely competent, you have to assume that they have a pretty good ability to separate a player's ability from his situation. Hence why even when they get fooled by a Montee Ball or Terrance Williams, they still don't invest a top 5 pick in him. I think if you had polled most Bama fans ~2011, all of them would've said Richardson was better than Lacy or Ingram. I felt he was much better at the time. He was picked significantly higher than those two. For whatever reason, it didn't materialize. He showed flashes as a rookie, but since then it's basically been a steady downward spiral.

Is that down to vision? Like I said, I don't think so. These days he looks heavy and sluggish, like he's running in mud. How many 20+ yard runs does he have in his NFL career? Maybe 4-5, on 614 carries. Doug Martin has probably had individual games with more than that, and he's had an inconsistent career. When Trent hits the gas pedal, nothing happens. It's jarring watching him run and then flipping over to someone with some real juice. The difference is very clear these days.

This is a great post man.

I am baffled what happened. I have personally had some great success handicapping RB's in FF for over 25 years now. This is the biggest whiff I ever had along with DeShaun Foster (remember that name?). His talent and game coming out of Bama was incredible. He had all the measurable's you wanted from a fast powerful, three down back.

I think what really happened is something inside of him died. He lost his love for the game. He does not care. It's obvious. He was collecting a paycheck. He checked out.

No other explanation. Because his physical measurable's were elite coming into the draft. But what you can't measure is someones heart & desire. You can only measure that in practice....which he missed quite a lot of. The practice field shows the players energy and effort and tells you a lot about what is inside that the combine can't measure.

Deshaun Foster was awesome though. He just couldn't stay healthy.

Richardson was continually praised for his work ethic in college, and his weight room accomplishments indicate he worked really hard. I have no idea what happened, but I find it really odd that in the present day, where secrets are almost impossible to keep, that there hasn't been much talk about why Cleveland moved him, what his issues are, etc.

 

[Koya]

Confirmation bias can be very painful in fantasy. Virtually no one predicted how big of a bust Richardson has become, but there were plenty of signs very early on that he wasn't nearly as good as advertised. His rookie season was not good, but many people excused it or even argued it was good because he put up points for fantasy. Then when he was traded to Indy and played terribly, we heard every excuse in the book instead of just taking it for what it was- he flat out stunk. If you can put emotions aside and admit that earlier than most, you'll be able to minimize your losses when you are wrong about a prospect, which happens to all of us more often than we'd like to admit.

Don't think it's fair to say with 20/20 hindsight that his rookie season "wasn't good" - as you said, he produced in fantasy, and opportunity is half the battle. A full time RB who produced nicely on a TERRIBLE team the year before?

You'd assume his crap YPC might get to 4.0, nothing great, and on 300 carries plus catches and goal lines, the guy would be money.

As others have said, I've never seen such a quick fall for a RB. We've seen some flash in the pan one great rookie year WRS (Braylon Edwards comes to mind), but there's more variation with WRs re: systems, QB play, key drops... at least with a small sample size. But RB? Almost EVERYone saw his 2nd year as very high ceiling (the year before) and with only slight imporvements, a great year... and if somehow he "fulfilled" and got a 4.3 ypc and all, as was expected, huge.

Hindsight is easy. But not everyone was just so stupid to not see it.

 

[humpback]

Confirmation bias can be very painful in fantasy. Virtually no one predicted how big of a bust Richardson has become, but there were plenty of signs very early on that he wasn't nearly as good as advertised. His rookie season was not good, but many people excused it or even argued it was good because he put up points for fantasy. Then when he was traded to Indy and played terribly, we heard every excuse in the book instead of just taking it for what it was- he flat out stunk. If you can put emotions aside and admit that earlier than most, you'll be able to minimize your losses when you are wrong about a prospect, which happens to all of us more often than we'd like to admit.

Don't think it's fair to say with 20/20 hindsight that his rookie season "wasn't good" - as you said, he produced in fantasy, and opportunity is half the battle. A full time RB who produced nicely on a TERRIBLE team the year before?

You'd assume his crap YPC might get to 4.0, nothing great, and on 300 carries plus catches and goal lines, the guy would be money.

As others have said, I've never seen such a quick fall for a RB. We've seen some flash in the pan one great rookie year WRS (Braylon Edwards comes to mind), but there's more variation with WRs re: systems, QB play, key drops... at least with a small sample size. But RB? Almost EVERYone saw his 2nd year as very high ceiling (the year before) and with only slight imporvements, a great year... and if somehow he "fulfilled" and got a 4.3 ypc and all, as was expected, huge.

Hindsight is easy. But not everyone was just so stupid to not see it.

This is exactly what I'm talking about- his fantasy production was good, but his actual performance was far from it. He had a ypc under 3.6, only 36 first downs, 2 carries over 20 yards, etc.

 

[stbugs]

Confirmation bias can be very painful in fantasy. Virtually no one predicted how big of a bust Richardson has become, but there were plenty of signs very early on that he wasn't nearly as good as advertised. His rookie season was not good, but many people excused it or even argued it was good because he put up points for fantasy. Then when he was traded to Indy and played terribly, we heard every excuse in the book instead of just taking it for what it was- he flat out stunk. If you can put emotions aside and admit that earlier than most, you'll be able to minimize your losses when you are wrong about a prospect, which happens to all of us more often than we'd like to admit.

Don't think it's fair to say with 20/20 hindsight that his rookie season "wasn't good" - as you said, he produced in fantasy, and opportunity is half the battle. A full time RB who produced nicely on a TERRIBLE team the year before?

You'd assume his crap YPC might get to 4.0, nothing great, and on 300 carries plus catches and goal lines, the guy would be money.

As others have said, I've never seen such a quick fall for a RB. We've seen some flash in the pan one great rookie year WRS (Braylon Edwards comes to mind), but there's more variation with WRs re: systems, QB play, key drops... at least with a small sample size. But RB? Almost EVERYone saw his 2nd year as very high ceiling (the year before) and with only slight imporvements, a great year... and if somehow he "fulfilled" and got a 4.3 ypc and all, as was expected, huge.

Hindsight is easy. But not everyone was just so stupid to not see it.

This is exactly what I'm talking about- his fantasy production was good, but his actual performance was far from it. He had a ypc under 3.6, only 36 first downs, 2 carries over 20 yards, etc.

Yeah, not trying to pat myself on the back, but I avoided him like the plague in year 2 and was in this thread a bunch saying I didn't like him at all. I had a game against him in his rookie season and got beat because of two short yardage TDs on a 13-36-2 type performance and what I saw was pedestrian at best. I used Donald Brown as RB2 a bunch in 2013 due to injuries (a lot of them) and he performed pretty well. I watched a couple games and it was very clear to me that Richardson wouldn't amount to anything. I think I made fun of his dozen or so 8 men in a box type quotes about helping Luck out with his presence. I still can't believe after watching 2013 that people thought he would get 1000 yards in 2014.

 

[zeeshan2]

Ryan Clark calls Trent the worst RB of all time on First Take:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13557723

 

[zeeshan2]

Field YatesVerified account‏@FieldYates

Browns got 5 picks in Julio deal: * Phil Taylor * Greg Little * Owen Marecic * Brandon Weeden * 4th rder to move up 1 slot to draft T-Rich

1:39 PM - 1 Sep 2015

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Phil Taylor cut today.

 

[Ilov80s]

No way TRich puts up good numbers anywhere. I think what it really comes down to is work ethic and desire. TRich seemed to thought he made it after his rookie year and got lazy or apathetic. I am not sure how much he really wants to play football.

Exactly. Talent-wise, he was better than Ingram. The difference is that Ingram worked his ### off and you saw that on the field last year. Richardson has no desire to play football and it shows.

Good point above about the regret of not selling when he went to Indy. As excited as a lot of people were at that moment, I think any savvy ff vet could have said even then that they knew his value would never be higher and that's a huge aspect of ff. Sell high. Buy low.

I seem to recall a lot of people thought they'd just won the lottery. Had to be a handful of savvy vets among them...

It seemed that way, but it should definitely have given people more pause as to why the Browns were so quick to dump him. That kind of trade just does not happen in the NFL on a few levels. It is incredibly rare for a first round pick, yet alone the 3rd overall pick to be traded after 1 year. Especially when that 1 year was relatively successful. It is even more odd for the trade to happen after the regular season has already started. There were a lot of signs that pointed to something being off.

That was actually discussed a lot in the early part of this thread. Lot of lines drawn with "I won the lottery, it's on now" and "Maybe there's a reason the Browns got rid of him".Either way, its ok to plant your foot in the ground on whichever side you like, but even if you thought "Ok, here we go. NOW he's back to a top 5-10 RB", my point is you KNEW right then that you would never get more for him than on that day and probably should have sold. If you have Andrew Luck or Gronk or a particular awesome WR, its ok to turn down dynasty offers for players that are young and you simply are going to build and succeed around. But you don't do it on a RB...never. THe careers are too short.

When a RB has that much value, you ALWAYS sell because I guarantee you it will go south before you think. Less than 2 years ago, people could have sold the #1 consensus RB Shady McCoy for an absolute mint and here we are 20 months later and he's almost an afterthought.

I wouldn't write Shady off yet, he could have a monster year in Buffalo.

 

[mr roboto]

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Field YatesVerified account‏@FieldYateshttps://twitter.com/FieldYates

Browns got 5 picks in Julio deal: * Phil Taylor * Greg Little * Owen Marecic * Brandon Weeden * 4th rder to move up 1 slot to draft T-Rich

1:39 PM - 1 Sep 2015

Ouch.

 

[Ilov80s]

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Field YatesVerified account‏@FieldYateshttps://twitter.com/FieldYates

Browns got 5 picks in Julio deal: * Phil Taylor * Greg Little * Owen Marecic * Brandon Weeden * 4th rder to move up 1 slot to draft T-Rich

1:39 PM - 1 Sep 2015

Ouch.

At least they turned TRich into a 1st round pick. We know how well they managed their 2014 1st round: Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert.

 

[FF Ninja]

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Field YatesVerified account‏@FieldYateshttps://twitter.com/FieldYates

Browns got 5 picks in Julio deal: * Phil Taylor * Greg Little * Owen Marecic * Brandon Weeden * 4th rder to move up 1 slot to draft T-Rich

1:39 PM - 1 Sep 2015

Ouch.

At least they turned TRich into a 1st round pick. We know how well they managed their 2014 1st round: Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert.

Who did they take with that pick?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

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Field YatesVerified account‏@FieldYateshttps://twitter.com/FieldYates

Browns got 5 picks in Julio deal: * Phil Taylor * Greg Little * Owen Marecic * Brandon Weeden * 4th rder to move up 1 slot to draft T-Rich

1:39 PM - 1 Sep 2015

Ouch.

At least they turned TRich into a 1st round pick. We know how well they managed their 2014 1st round: Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert.

Who did they take with that pick?

Johnny Manziel

 

[Jail]

Ryan Clark calls Trent the worst RB of all time on First Take:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13557723

That was interesting. Not so much what Clark said about Trent, but what he said about Tomlin's feelings when he came out in the draft. He says Tomlin hoped Cleveland would take TRich because he wouldn't make it in the league. They also raised the critical Jim Brown comments about TRich that I had totally forgotten about. Maybe the talent just wasn't there to begin with.

 

[ap28.allday]

Any other dynasty owners that drafted him having trouble letting him go? Drafted him #1 overall in our rookie draft in 2012 and find myself unwilling to drop him. Granted my league has a 20 man bench and I can afford to hold him. Was just curious if any "orignal" owners aren't ready to give up on your former 1.1 pick

 

[Shutout]

Any other dynasty owners that drafted him having trouble letting him go? Drafted him #1 overall in our rookie draft in 2012 and find myself unwilling to drop him. Granted my league has a 20 man bench and I can afford to hold him. Was just curious if any "orignal" owners aren't ready to give up on your former 1.1 pick

Let's make Friday national "Cut TRICH" day. I'm ready.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Any other dynasty owners that drafted him having trouble letting him go? Drafted him #1 overall in our rookie draft in 2012 and find myself unwilling to drop him. Granted my league has a 20 man bench and I can afford to hold him. Was just curious if any "orignal" owners aren't ready to give up on your former 1.1 pick

The bottom third of your bench (redraft or dynasty) should be reserved for young guys with big potential. Pick them up for free or cheap, give them a few weeks / months to see if they work out; if not, throw them back in the pond and cast again. There's nothing worse than missing out on an Arian Foster or Charles Johnson because you didn't want to toss a bum like T-Rich overboard to free up the roster space.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've got 14 veterans on your bench who are better than T-Rich. If so, drop him like a pass to Stephen Hill.

 

[DocHolliday]

Any other dynasty owners that drafted him having trouble letting him go? Drafted him #1 overall in our rookie draft in 2012 and find myself unwilling to drop him. Granted my league has a 20 man bench and I can afford to hold him. Was just curious if any "orignal" owners aren't ready to give up on your former 1.1 pick

TRich should not be on any roster of any size. This thread will be forgotten in a few weeks.

 

[ap28.allday]

Any other dynasty owners that drafted him having trouble letting him go? Drafted him #1 overall in our rookie draft in 2012 and find myself unwilling to drop him. Granted my league has a 20 man bench and I can afford to hold him. Was just curious if any "orignal" owners aren't ready to give up on your former 1.1 pick

Let's make Friday national "Cut TRICH" day. I'm ready.

I'm not strong enough to let go on my own, I need a support group.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

He's made more money in 3 years than I will ever see in a lifetime.

 

[cstu]

Is it ok to bring back my TRash nickname now?

 

[msudaisy26]

Seen this on Facebook today.

While cleaning out his locker it took Trent Richardson 14 carries to get his things 20 yards to the parking lot.

 

[skinny post]

Someone needs to explain to me what happened to all the picks from 2-7 in the 2012 draft.

RG3

TRich

Kalil

Blackmon

Claiborne

Barron

No idea, but very happy they were picked there and we got Kuechly at 9.

Kalil can't get healthy, he did make a Pro Bowl though. RG3's injury has to be at least somewhat to blame for his collapse. Blackmon is an alcoholic. Too bad, he was a good player.

You can type what you want about Kalil's play but he has started every game he has been in the league. Had a fair amount of penalties last year but has looked good so far this preseason after surgery on both knees in the off season. He has been healthy enough to start every game. Small consolation but of the players listed it would be Kalil hands down...

 

[cstu]

#1

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

#1

C'mon, Cannonball Butler should not be mentioned in the same breath as Trent Richardson!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

#1

It really is amazing.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

#1

Hey now! Michael Haddix strenuously objects to your artificial 550-carry cut off.

But there's plenty of shame in being #2 on this list, anyway.

 

[cstu]

#1

Hey now! Michael Haddix strenuously objects to your artificial 550-carry cut off.

But there's plenty of shame in being #2 on this list, anyway.

Not making a serious point that he is the worst RB of all-time but it is remarkable that it's even possible to find a cut-off that puts him at #1.

The worst RB would have to be Tucker Frederickson:

Fifty years ago, the Giants made Frederickson the No. 1 draft choice, picking the running back from Auburn over future Hall of Famers Joe Namath, Gale Sayers, **** Butkus and Fred Biletnikoff.

http://nypost.com/2005/04/24/whatever-happened-to-tucker-frederickson/

 

[Uncle Leo]

#1

Hey now! Michael Haddix strenuously objects to your artificial 550-carry cut off.

But there's plenty of shame in being #2 on this list, anyway.

Not making a serious point that he is the worst RB of all-time but it is remarkable that it's even possible to find a cut-off that puts him at #1.

The worst RB would have to be Tucker Frederickson:

Fifty years ago, the Giants made Frederickson the No. 1 draft choice, picking the running back from Auburn over future Hall of Famers Joe Namath, Gale Sayers, **** Butkus and Fred Biletnikoff.

http://nypost.com/2005/04/24/whatever-happened-to-tucker-frederickson/

Ouch,G-Men Fan?